Wake Up White People!
Posted by Jake G. on 09.16.2009
Why White America needs its own Jesse Jackson...
Do white Americans have a voice? "Wake up white people!" Daniel Carver used to shout on his many appearances on the Howard Stern radio show. Surely Carver is not white America's only voice. So who is?
If they do have one, I don't know who it is. For every even remotely racially themed crime in America, we hear about Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, speaking out against it. Protests, marches, riots, you name it. In nearly every urban city in the country there is a "low rent" Jesse Jackson as well, who sort of acts on his own accord stirring up trouble or reporting intolerance (depending on how you see it) and if he hits a gold mine he can call in the big guns. It happens, it's a fact. It's impact on society is not necessarily what I'm here to discuss.
My question is why haven't white Americans formed together in some similar mentality? Take the recent school bus attack that's making headlines all over the country. I noticed it on a Yahoo front page clip from the CBS Early Show. If you haven't seen it you can watch the video and read the story Here. Frequent 411 commentator John brought this story up in a recent post about Kanye West and Obama.
John and I rarely see eye to eye on anything, his responses to my articles are usually pretty negative. However on this instance, we have some common ground. He wondered why Jesse Jackson wasn't speaking out about this attack, whereas I wondered why white people don't have their own Jesse Jackson? This was a racial based attack. One of many that goes unpunished every year because whites have no one to defend them when instances like this arise.
This recent school bus assault is getting some national attention. However, it would appear that the perpetrators are going to get away with a slap on the wrist. Police have dropped the idea that this was a race hate crime. Why? I have no idea, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that this was a hate crime. The one white kid on the bus trying to find a seat gets brutally attacked by a black kid next to him, while all the other black kids on the bus cheer him on.
This was not a "fight" and this was not a "bully incident"... The white kid didn't get a wedgie, he got a dozen punches to the face. A few minutes later, another black kid realizes that this white kid is an easy target and he might as well get some tough street cred for himself, so he goes over and punches the white kid in the face a half dozen or so times before another black kid pulls him back. The kid who "stopped the fight" is now being touted as a hero in the media, which is nice and all, but where was this kid the first time whitebread was getting beat down? Sorry kid but you're no hero, you stepped in once the damage was done.
Where was the bus driver? Ever wonder that? Either too scared to go back and break it up or he just didn't care that a white kid was getting beat down on his bus. It's all too common on bus rides all over the nation and anyone who was in a public school the last 20 years can tell you that. Most buses don't have cameras. How often does this go on? I'd bet my hat it goes on a lot more than when those white kids hung that hung a noose around the tree in Jena, Louisiana. The kids in this video didn't get in trouble until this film started making the rounds. The bus driver doesn't seem to be the one who turned this in.
To be fair, there are a few other white kids on the bus and they are watching on just as the black kids are. But how could this not be a race hate crime? Where is the justice? These questions will remain until white folks band together and start fighting for their rights just as much as other races do. There aren't many people standing up for this white kid from a bad part of Illinois and chances are if he does get a rally in his honor it'll be the KKK who sponsors it. White people need to get a national voice who commands some respect or else these kinds of incidents will continue to get swept under the rug.
Hate crime is a two way street and a large portion of the hate crime in this country is black on white. Some studies show that the majority of the hate crime in this country is black on white, with a large section eventually being dropped. The reason black on white hate crime gets shoved aside is because no one stands up for the white victims. Maybe it's time they should.
One white kid gets ass his kicked and its a national emergency. God lord, I am white and I even find these column offensive. Ashish, how much are these Tea Party members buying you to post these insane columns or this like some inside joke to see how off the deep end these people are? Its probably joke just like this column.
Posted By: AFan (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 03:37 PM
White people do have their voice......
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They tend to be form groups like the KKK...
Posted By: David (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 03:44 PM
White people have their own "champions," but you tend to find them at Clan rallies.
Posted By: David (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 03:45 PM
I'll be shocked if you're not called a racist.
I keep hearing this same thing, but the truth is the second white people rally up we'll be labeled racist for sticking up for ourselves.
The solution isn't a white rights group, it's a HUMAN rights group that's racially blind. And ffs, every time a black person gets beat up by a white person it isn't racist -- every time a white person gets beat up by a black person it isn't racist.
People like Jesse Jackson fan the flames of a dying fire. We don't need a white Jesse Jackson, we just need people with some sense to hold everyone accountable for their actions. Good luck getting that, though.
Posted By: luna (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 03:52 PM
Thank you! Finally, someone with some common sense! If we (as whites) started playing the race game with the blacks, maybe the damn fools (Jackson, Wright, Sharpton, etc.) would get a clue and we can actually strive for equality!
Right now, the majority of the black community turns everything into a race game.. Just look at what happened with Rep. Wilson... Was he rude? Sure. Innappropriate? Maybe. But race had NOTHING to do with it (Pay attention NY Times and Jimmy Carter - why isn't he dead yet?)
Tired of the bullshit! Equality for everyone! Not special rights for blacks!
Posted By: Spyke (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 03:58 PM
Jesus Christ....getting a white "Jesse Jackson" is not the solution, it is further perpetuating the problem! Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are why we still have racial divide, in a manner of speaking. The fact that they are always there, preaching and fillibustering when a black person is wronged is the problem. When will we see things without colors and focus on people as people?
Posted By: Guest#2638 (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 04:01 PM
I love how you guys think I'm a liberal one minute and a tea party member the next? I mean, seriously.
If I'd wrote a column about how something Jesse Jackson was doing was right, be it anything... Jackson was doing, helping the poor, donating to AIDs research, a bunch of people would have commented on how I was another liberal helping destroy America, communist, yadda yadda...
AFan, I wrote about this because it's topical for American politics. It's not ONE white kid getting attacked. It happens all the time. No different than when whites do a crime against blacks because of race.
National attention gets brought in on these instances and sometimes, just rarely, the dialogue can be put into a positive place.
White people complain about these instances, but they never unite, they never do anything about it. White people need another voice aside from the KKK, how is that a negative thing? How is that a conservative thing?
It's obvious you didn't read by your response.
Posted By: Jake G (Registered) on September 16, 2009 at 04:02 PM
Humans are prejudice and racist by nature. I with everyone in USA would just admit it and move on. I was born in Spain. Everyone is white. There's still prejudice and racism within Spain by geography. If the whole world was colored pink, there would still be racism and prejudice. There is no utopia. Yes, i'm a huge cynic.
Posted By: exhausted (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 04:02 PM
Listen, over the last 10 years or so it has become more and more evident that the only people capable of perpetrating a hate crime are white, straight, middle class have-it-alls. These wretched snobs are the biggest problem with America today. What is needed is a mentality that says everyone else is better than they are because of something their ancestors did. I can't believe that people still defend the whites when something happens. Jesse James and Al Sharpton are right when they say that we must protect those who never got the chance to better themselves. That's right. And that's a crock of s%$t. That whole idea that I just spouted is actually what's wrong with America. I am a white, straight and slightly below middle class man who is tired of hearing that I have held anyone down. I work two jobs so that I can provide for myself and my future wife. I didn't finish college because of a mistake that I made, not because of anything that anybody else did. I was on free-lunch and low income assistance growing up and yet still managed to graduate high school with a pretty good GPA and an excellent ACT score. I worked all throughout high school so that I could have what I needed. I was in Student Council, president of SADD, and a captain in Academic Decathlon, while being a leader in my youth group at church and in church and school choir. I never let the fact that I lived in a trailer park for part of my life and moved from rent house to rent house all the time growing up keep me from doing what I needed to do. I never pretended that I didn't have the same opportunities that other people had who were better off than me. I just did the nest I could with what I had and am actually making something out of my life without asking anyone else to help me just because they can. My life is mine to live, my mistakes are mine to make, and my potential is mine to realize. When will the rest of America stand up and realize that the only way to make it in this world is on your own?
Posted By: Jeremy (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 04:11 PM
Jake,
AFan, David and Luna are the reasons white people do not have a race champion. If there was a person, they would be labeled a racist.
Unfortunatly when someone does take up white peoples cause, it usually come along with hatred of african americans, jewish people, so on......
If there was someone brave enough to take up the cause without coming accross as David Duke, then maybe we could get somewhere. Until then, Jessie Jackson will pay for the Duke lacrosse players so called victims college, Al Sharpton will never apologise for Tawana Brawley and J. Alexander will pretend things like the bus attack didn't happen.
Thanks for bringing me up without insulting me in some way. Its refreshing to have debate with people that don't act like Dunn.
Posted By: John (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 04:35 PM
I agree with the posters that there should be a colorless ultimate band of unity to fight for everyone's rights, but it's pretty unrealistic to hope for that. Maybe in the future, but right now the playing field has to at least be level before we can make it equal across the board.
Once you have a "voice for everyone" it'll fall apart anyway as one side will feel they aren't getting fair representation, etc. And you'll be right back to where we are now.
Posted By: Jake G (Registered) on September 16, 2009 at 04:40 PM
The unspoken truth of the matter is simple. White people were the big villians that held everybody down and killed and raped at will. Now the shoe is on the other foot and its the white people's turn to be the victims. Its sad but true and we all know it. Its shamefull that the white race has victimized the black race since early Americans built our country,but its time to move on. The only black people who can do any screaming about "whitey" are old black people who lived in the south during the 1950's and 60's. i am a white male who's family never owned slaves, i myself have never burned any crosses or commited any hate crimes. But i can tell you from personal experience that a group of black males will beat the shit out of one white kid for spite every bit as quickly as a group of white males will do it to a black kid. is it right? is it fair? no it is what it is and as long as the world is full of idiots and hate mongers it will always be.
Posted By: jeff albertson (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 04:40 PM
As much as I want to agree Jake, and I do see the point...
Like I always say "Political Correctness in not Tolerance".
I don't want a "white" Al Sharpton anymore than a "black" Al Sharpton. We can't keep using race as an excuse for people acting like dicks.
We should not have anyone using the race card as a reason to be angry at another group of people...what has that done for any of us.
MLK spoke of living in harmony, while Sharpton speaks of holding grudges...I don't want Sharptons message of demanding apologies from entire groups of people for the acts of idiots.
Great men have died for the freedom of speech- and with that freedom comes the understanding that we must accept racists in our lives, they have the right to express hatred against other people.
We must punish the crimes as crimes. What good does it do any of us to label these kids as rasicts? Why not label them as criminals instead. Punish them for the crime and pick up the pieces and move on.
Calling for more division will only lead to more division. Fucking political correctness has destroyed the ability of this country to have an honest argument.
Because the reasons why we argue are lost by saying that no matter how valid a persons point is, you can't agree with them because they are racist, sexist, homophobe, homosexual, age biased, southern, northern- whatever.
Tolerance is the light, its the understanding that we are not all the same, we have different beliefs and views- no matter how horrible or disgusting.
Tolerance is hard- because nothing easy works better.
These kids should go to jail for attack another person, I don't need a white Al Sharpton to tell me they are racist too...just punish them for their actions, not their fucked up beliefs.
Because I have fucked up beliefs and so do all of you- and the time is coming when someone will try to force those away for some fake moral argument that only applies to them.
Posted By: Grant Muioc (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 04:44 PM
I'm sorry, but is there any proof this was a racist attack besides the people involved? And while I do recognize that white on black crime will always be labeled racist and black on white crime will be ignored, kids do beat up other kids for simply for being different. And no, I hope this Jesse Jackson is the last Jesse Jackson because people like him profit of negative race relations and those people hurt progress.
Posted By: BKS (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 04:45 PM
White People do have a voice. In this country something doesnt have to be labeled white for it to be white. Think about how many governors, mayors, and senators that are white in this country. And oh i forget how about every fundamentalist or conservative in the country. There seems no end for whites to romanticize the past and realize that the things that have happened in the past still affect how things are today. White people have the biggest voice in the country, this guy just wants a white knight in an already white country.
Posted By: George (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 04:46 PM
I don't think America needs an Al Sharpton period, quite frankly.
And seriously, this "oh when white people attack black people it's racist, but when black people do it, it's not" crap needs to stop. Just put your face to a pillow and scream 'Nigger' until you get it out of your system; you evidently seem to get hard trying to point out these pathetic non-existent racial hypocrisies. If these black kids attacked the white guy *because* he was white, then it's racist. Show me a sensible black person who doesn't accept that. One that actually exists outside of your racist-tinged imagination.
I find it hilarious how all these inner-racists race to every little example like this to justify their concealed thoughts. If I gave a shit about race whatsoever, I'd say it makes me ashamed to be white. But I don't.
P.S. I echo AFan's remarks about this site becoming increasinly over-run by amateur Fox News-guzzling Limbaugh-lite loudmouths.
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 04:48 PM
White people do have a voice and there called governors, senators, and mayors. Once white people stop romanticizing the past and realize that the actions committed in the past have affects on how things are now, will we find some solution.
Posted By: Gabbo (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 04:50 PM
Hey Jake, I have to respectfully disagree with you here. I watched the tape and just don't think its a racial incident. To me it just looks like extreme bullying, maybe your school didn't have bully attacks like this but mine did and unfortunately I was sometimes on the giving end of them.
I had severe anger issues as a youth and used to not only get in fights but often unleash my pent up rage on others for no reason other than I was mad and needed to vent. It was a horrible thing to do and I will go to my grave regretful for my actions as a youth. But those experiences make me look at this video differently than someone who came from a school where violence was more muted.
I think all too often we are too quick to jump to racial conclusions in these situations. As South Park said, all crimes are hate crimes but not all hate crimes are racially motivated (at least i think thats what they said). you say in your article that often men like sharpton and jackson are too quick to jump to racial conclusions and I feel we need to follow that mantra here.
I know it looks more racial because the bus is mostly black when a lot of us are used to seeing buses the opposite way. I just have a hard time believing that these two black kids attacked this kid solely because he was white and not because he was a nerd or a loser or a spaz or whatever the kids call the outsiders these days.
Posted By: Robbie (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 04:50 PM
Excellent article. Nothing more needs to be said. Cue to cries of racism from cry baby, liberal Ashish ass-kissing "fellow" site writers in 3...2...1...
Posted By: JustWhitey (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 05:08 PM
Pretty sure in the 300+ years this country has been around White people have had their voice heard plenty.
The trouble with a white person having a voice like Jesse Jackson is, more times than not he is discussing equality, last I checked it was the White people in charge of the majority of this country they are not minorities and cannot possible start screaming about the same issues historically or current. To say anything else is just flat out incorrect.
Now if you want to talk about racial attacks and they do both ways though I am not going to site here and say its equal I would tend to say there is far more white on black hate crime than the other way around but without any facts or a study (and i'm to lazy right now to google) then can never say for sure.
Might have a case for a White Al Sharpton though but again most people think he is an attention grabber who has little real interest in the plight of the victom.
Posted By: saywhat (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 05:10 PM
"Thanks for bringing me up without insulting me in some way. Its refreshing to have debate with people that don't act like Dunn."
There was no debate. You have a reckless disregard for factual information, which you repeatedly exhibit. I just pointed that out.
I'm sorry if your feelings were hurt, but you tend to act like a giant twat. You can't whine when you get called out on it.
And I happen to agree with you here. Black-on-white hate crimes should be exposed and prosecuted to the fullest extent. This isn't that crime, though. They were two kids fighting over a seat (according to witnesses). The test of a hate crime is motive not racial makeup.
You want a test of that theory:
"To be fair, there are a few other white kids on the bus and they are watching on just as the black kids are."
If it's about race, why are *they* not being attacked too?
Posted By: J.D. Dunn (Registered) on September 16, 2009 at 05:29 PM
And while you were busy writing this absurd column, I saw a story on Headline News about a black mother who was beat up outside of a restaurant by a racist white guy in front of her kid. Sufficed to say, this kind of shit happens and there’s really not much society should do except make sure these perpetrators are brought to justice. Glenn Beck and Jessie Jackson do not a better world make.
Posted By: Guest#6788 (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 05:40 PM
Didn't you know, Jake? Only whites can be racist. It's only a "hate crime" if you're an "oppressed minority" being beat up. It's only news when whites display a racist symbol...when blacks gang attack a white, it's ok (or if not ok, then it's "overboard" when they get charged with attempted murder). I'm sure you'll get tarred with the epithet "racist", because bloody, crusty, cum-stained buttholes like David can't come up with a more intelligent argument. Bottom line: a lot of blacks don't know how to act. A LOT. Most, in fact. I think it's provably genetic, but if I were to say that, I'd be considered racist, despite all the SCIENCE that backs my assertion up. Be that as it may, you'll never hear the truth on the news; and that is that blacks are more violent and uncivilized than whites.
Posted By: Elijah Muhammad (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 05:41 PM
The mother of the 17year old must sue. A hate crime was comitted on her son,we must fight back. We all know if her son had hit the black boy first his mother would be and Sharpton would help.
Posted By: lesley/guest (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 05:56 PM
I'll be shocked if you're not called a racist.
I keep hearing this same thing, but the truth is the second white people rally up we'll be labeled racist for sticking up for ourselves.
The solution isn't a white rights group, it's a HUMAN rights group that's racially blind. And ffs, every time a black person gets beat up by a white person it isn't racist -- every time a white person gets beat up by a black person it isn't racist.
People like Jesse Jackson fan the flames of a dying fire. We don't need a white Jesse Jackson, we just need people with some sense to hold everyone accountable for their actions. Good luck getting that, though.
Posted By: luna (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 03:52 PM
+10
one of the better posts ive read on here
Posted By: mikecheck (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 06:08 PM
Excellent article. Nothing more needs to be said. Cue to cries of racism from cry baby, liberal Ashish ass-kissing "fellow" site writers in 3...2...1...
Posted By: JustWhitey (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 05:08 PM
And here's the real crux of the country. It doesn't matter if we eliminated race completely so that there wasn't a voice for black people or a voice for white people. We've already established so many ways to divide ourselves it's ridiculous. If you're black you have t act a certain way, if you're white you have to act a certain way. And if you have opinion A, you must be a liberal, opinion B, you're a conservative. Oh, wait, you said what-you're a democrat and a pussy. You said what- you must be a conservative old prick.
I realize Jackson and Sharpton are the voices of the black community-if by voices you mean people who only show up when the camera is rolling. But do white people really need that?
However, if a white voice were to rise-he'd damn sure be labeled a racist. That was illustrated during Hurricane Katrina when it was quite vocalized that if New Orleans was a predominately white area-actions would have been made much quicker.
So just in regards to the article-it's a topic that should be talked about. Some people feel white people have so much power as is, why the hell do they need a voice. Essentially-they are the voice. And then there's a group of people who think that the white race is being placed on a lower rung by black people and other minorities who can cry racism while being offered more in the way of financial aid.
But a "voice for white people" doesn't change that. That keeps us in the same box we're locked in now. And seriously-do you tihnk a voice for white people would actually be able to be anything more than just another politican- because Jackson and Sharpton aren't.
Posted By: Jerry (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 06:44 PM
Great article. Up here in Canada, it is even worse. When calls go out for police, fireman, or paramedics, white men are told to stay home because they want to hire 'diversity' instead of the most qualified.
Posted By: Mikel (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 07:09 PM
Right because every Black American like myself agrees with Jesse Jackson therefore there should be a "White Jesee Jackson".
If you guys ever talked to other black people you would know that a lot of us are just annoyed at Sharpton and Jackson as another other person in the country.
Jackson and Sharpton really don't talk for all blacks it only seems like it because there always in front of a TV.
Posted By: Richard (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 07:11 PM
Mikel, I am in the same province as you and I must call you out on that stinking pile of shit you just approved for the world to see. "White men are told to stay home" indeed, c'mon man!
Posted By: Scotty H (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 07:18 PM
"and that is that blacks are more violent and uncivilized than whites."
Who whipped who with whips? Who was being hung from trees, dragged behind cars, and beat by police for trying to stand up for their rights? Maybe you should check up on your history before you try saying anything. You aren't around most blacks so you don't know how they really are
Posted By: Guest#1012 (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 07:18 PM
What are "white" people? Because I don't share a common experience with anyone based solely on the lack of pigment in my skin. My family is descended from working class Eastern-European immigrants which is vastly different than someone who's family is descended from poor Irish immigrants and has nothing in common with many of the WASPy families that have lineage in this nation for hundreds of years. I'm only third generation American, as opposed to new "whites" who are in the process of being naturalized today or old "whites" who have been in this country for a few hundred years. That also ignores the fact that many of these same groups weren't even considered white. Italians and Irish and Polish (whichever new ethnic minority was gaining traction) were all seen as subhumans at some point in our history, and disassociated from mainstream white culture. To an extent, many Jews are still attacked as being "non-whites" by groups like the KKK.
The problem with defining one's self as "white" is that the term is vague and no one's sure what constitutes "white." Many with Italian ancestry have lineage from the Moors, who would be what we consider "black." Are these people still "white?" I have some friends that associate themselves as "white" even though the vast majority of Americans would classify them as Latino based on their family history. So how you define someone as being white?
I don't think white America needs a voice, just as I don't think black America needs a voice. Our elected Representatives in the House and Senate are supposed to be our voices. If they're not representing what you believe then they're not representing you, and you should work to get someone else elected.
Posted By: Guest#5357 (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 07:22 PM
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The solution isn't a white rights group, it's a HUMAN rights group that's racially blind.
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The problem is that minorities will still call you a racist. The government has spent the last couple decades telling minorities that they are to be treated with kid gloves. I don't know how many times I've spoken out against things like Affirmative Action, stating that I believe everyone should be judged solely by their qualifications and nothing else, and been buried under a slew of racist allegations. If you dare suggest that minorities actually have to work for and earn something instead of getting it handed to them by white guilt, you're a racist.
Posted By: Scott B (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 07:32 PM
Good stuff. I question whether this attack was truly racially motivated, but I get your point, and it truly is valid. Up here in Saskatchewan, we see this all the time with the Aboriginal population. Any crime committed by a white person on an Aboriginal is labeled a "hate crime," and we get to listen to Lawrence Joseph (Saskatchewan's Aboriginal Jesse Jackson) talk about racism on the radio for an entire week.
However, when a white telecommunications employee is shot to death by three Aboriginal youth on a reserve because "he's not supposed to be there," Joseph disappears, and the mainstream media airs news stories about these "troubled youth."
It's the way it works. The minorities feel that they need to fight their hardest to have their voice heard as often as they can to protect their people. However, if one Caucasian person speaks out on behalf of Caucasians, he/she is a racist. God forbid we ever answer the "Western Canadian Aboriginal Summer Games" with a white version, or we'd all be terrible people.
But it's how the world works. You cannot fight it without being labeled a racist, so you just have to let it go.
Posted By: CyberSocko (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 07:43 PM
Who whipped who with whips? Who was being hung from trees, dragged behind cars, and beat by police for trying to stand up for their rights? Maybe you should check up on your history before you try saying anything. You aren't around most blacks so you don't know how they really are
Posted By: Guest#1012 (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 07:18 PM
Stop living in the past, man. You can't use that shit as an excuse for everything. Have YOU ever been whipped, hanged, or enslaved? No. Neither has anyone you've ever known. Get over it.
Posted By: Elijah Muhammad (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 07:44 PM
I have to agree with the author on this. There are just as many hate crimes against white people as there are black people and yet the white people are the only ones being called racist simply because the white people dont feel the need to have lap dogs, such as the other race's Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, call the black people on it.
Posted By: Songbird (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 08:05 PM
Fact is: Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton -are- the racist ones when the ignore the acts of these black kids, ignore the sexual jokes of Jamie Foxx on Miley Cyrus (a 15 year old girl, and whatever else goes on.
This is wrong. No matter what color those kids are, this is wrong. The same people that step up for one side have to step up for the other side, or those people are JUST as wrong as this assault.
The column isn't racist. What is shocking is the comments saying "tea party paid him" and "kkk is for white people"... and all that garbage. That's profiling and makes you no better than what you are insulting.
Just because a racist KKK group stands up for white people, shouldn't TAINT standing up for white people's rights lumped in that same category. That's like saying everyone that recycles to save the planet is apart of those radical environmental groups that blow up power plants and shit.
Pull head from ass and see whats going on. Race hate goes both ways, and its being encouraged by every fucking thing that separates people because they are a different color... FOR THE GOOD OR BAD. BET, black miss america, black music awards, cultural clubs in school, ALL "hate crimes", scholarships only for a specific race, the constant EMPHASIS on the first black president... all of this reminds us that we are different. And until all of this goes away, there will always be separation. ALWAYS.
And saying these things doesn't make you a racist. They make you a realist and not afraid to stand up and say the shit slides BOTH WAYS and BOTH SIDES need to stop, now. Otherwise, we will all just end up killing each other endlessly, forever.
Posted By: Rehab (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 08:09 PM
Apparently the White student was looking for a seat and pushed the Black students bookbag down on the floor.
Congrats to the Black student who intervened and put a stop to this.
Posted By: MrUniteUs (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 08:20 PM
The thing is, white people dont want to speak up because we will be viewed as racist by black people if we do. There is nothing we can do about it. God bless America. Home of the minorities that take advantage of the system rather than help it grow and prosper.
My girlfriend and I have both had black roomates almost every year we were in college. I have to say, they do enjoy living up to their stereotypes.
Youd think Obama would inspire them to be different and proud... instead we get things like Kanye West at the VMAs.
Im really beginning to see a stereotypical black every where I look. All well. As long as they dont fuck with me Ill live in harmony with them.
But if I was that kids parents, Id take it out on ALL black people, just like they take it out on ALL white people whenever something happens to one of them.
Posted By: AG Awesome (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 08:45 PM
There is no such thing as White. It's not a racial group. The reason why it's okay to group together people of African descent as Blacks, is because the majority of Blacks in America are relatives of people that were brought over and basically raped of any identity.
Posted By: Guest#0933 (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 08:48 PM
We don't need a white Jesse Jackson or a white Al Sharpton--they already exist. I believe they're named Glenn "Douchebag" Beck and Bill "Let me pleasure you with a falafel" O'Reilly. They're just as big of fuckwads as Jackson and Sharpton, only Beck throws a little bit of the bat-shit crazy into the mix.
Posted By: Zingy (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 08:50 PM
Id also like to add that my best friend and final roommate of college was a half black half jewish man. He often told me his black family members were embarrassed by people like Jesse and Al and "sets us back another 100 years". He also agreed that way too many black males enjoy perpetuating the stereotypical black male of the media darlings (Kanye, TO, 50 cent, Mayweather, Pacman, your basic thug life goons).
The problem is, the WHITE media likes to portray them like this, showing them "repping their street roots" and Im sure most black males feel that, "well if thats all we are to the world, then lets embrace it".
We should also look at what a violent society we are. I love MMA, wrestling, and video games with shooting and violence. We embrace these things as pop culture. That isnt the mentality children should grow up with. Of course the only remedy for that is to have better parenting, which aint gonna happen.
God help the children of the current generation (23-30 year olds).
Posted By: AG Awesome (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 08:59 PM
This isn't about race. This isn't about black or white.
There's a disease that infects the human race and it is called hate.
Why are you so angry? What the hell is so shitty in your lives? Who pissed you off so much that you have to spew nothing but anger?
Isn't being alive good enough? Isn't having people love you good enough? Isn't being in love with ONE PERSON good enough?
I'm black, my wife is white. I am Canadian by birth, Jamaican by "descent", she is 5th generation American. We live in a town of 1400 people, 1399 of them lily white. There are trailer parks around me. Corn, soy, hunting. Tractors.
Another town where a ton of black people reside isn't far from here. Booming 808's. Cursing. Saggy jeans. Tricked out rides.
This is the country we live in. People are DIFFERENT. People like country music, hip hop, rock, gospel, blues, jazz, classical, electronica, etc. People like things. Things that define who they are as INDIVIDUALS. That is the way people work.
I should not be able to come to a fucking website, see words on a screen and automatically feel like I know them enough to condemn them. That's IGNORANCE at work. Same if I approached someone with a different skin color as me. Or prayed to a different "god", or dressed differently from me, or was shorter than me, or fat. But I'm not ignorant. I'm not envious. I don't covet. I'm not pissed because someone has more money than me, or has "more privilidges" than me. The life I make, I MAKE IT. No one makes it for me. No race, religion or country dictates who I am. And I'm happy about that.
I feel sorry for the lot of you. You see things you want to see to justify whatever anger you have in your hearts. That's what this is about. Justification. The "I told you so" theory. Who are you proving right? What do you gain? We're all dust and air. We all die. We will all die. People waste too much time living under the guise of limitations they feel has been beset from the world, when it is THEY who create their own limitations.
As a "black" man, I CAN'T STAND AL SHARPTON OR JESSE JACKSON. When those of their mindset die off, I will be happy. You know why I respect Obama, but can't stand those two? It's simple: Despite every possible "limitation" Obama could have had, despite every "wall" or "obstacle" or "excuse" he could have used to get ahead in this country, he STILL BECAME PRESIDENT OF THE MOST FUCKING POWERFUL COUNTRY ON THE PLANET.
That's more that what I can say for some(most) people around here. Get rid of your own anger, and you will stop seeing scapegoats. When you stop seeing scapegoats, you will stop being sheep. Then you'll understand this "freedom" you guys constantly preach to the world, yet know NOTHING about.
Posted By: The 8th Samurai (Registered) on September 16, 2009 at 09:04 PM
This isn't about race. This isn't about black or white.
There's a disease that infects the human race and it is called hate.
Why are you so angry? What the hell is so shitty in your lives? Who pissed you off so much that you have to spew nothing but anger?
Isn't being alive good enough? Isn't having people love you good enough? Isn't being in love with ONE PERSON good enough?
I'm black, my wife is white. I am Canadian by birth, Jamaican by "descent", she is 5th generation American. We live in a town of 1400 people, 1399 of them lily white. There are trailer parks around me. Corn, soy, hunting. Tractors.
Another town where a ton of black people reside isn't far from here. Booming 808's. Cursing. Saggy jeans. Tricked out rides.
This is the country we live in. People are DIFFERENT. People like country music, hip hop, rock, gospel, blues, jazz, classical, electronica, etc. People like things. Things that define who they are as INDIVIDUALS. That is the way people work.
I should not be able to come to a fucking website, see words on a screen and automatically feel like I know them enough to condemn them. That's IGNORANCE at work. Same if I approached someone with a different skin color as me. Or prayed to a different "god", or dressed differently from me, or was shorter than me, or fat. But I'm not ignorant. I'm not envious. I don't covet. I'm not pissed because someone has more money than me, or has "more privilidges" than me. The life I make, I MAKE IT. No one makes it for me. No race, religion or country dictates who I am. And I'm happy about that.
I feel sorry for the lot of you. You see things you want to see to justify whatever anger you have in your hearts. That's what this is about. Justification. The "I told you so" theory. Who are you proving right? What do you gain? We're all dust and air. We all die. We will all die. People waste too much time living under the guise of limitations they feel has been beset from the world, when it is THEY who create their own limitations.
As a "black" man, I CAN'T STAND AL SHARPTON OR JESSE JACKSON. When those of their mindset die off, I will be happy. You know why I respect Obama, but can't stand those two? It's simple: Despite every possible "limitation" Obama could have had, despite every "wall" or "obstacle" or "excuse" he could have used to get ahead in this country, he STILL BECAME PRESIDENT OF THE MOST FUCKING POWERFUL COUNTRY ON THE PLANET.
That's more that what I can say for some(most) people around here. Get rid of your own anger, and you will stop seeing scapegoats. When you stop seeing scapegoats, you will stop being sheep. Then you'll understand this "freedom" you guys constantly preach to the world, yet know NOTHING about.
Posted By: The 8th Samurai (Registered) on September 16, 2009 at 09:05 PM
"My girlfriend and I have both had black roomates almost every year we were in college. I have to say, they do enjoy living up to their stereotypes."
That's funny because I've always held the opinion that most white guys are a bunch of dumb, useless assholes who love to leech of the accomplishments of their ancestors because they themselves have nothing to be proud of other than the fact that they’ve managed to not totally fuck up their legacy beyond recognition. You guys pretty giddy to finish up the job though.
Posted By: Guest#8315 (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 09:30 PM
white peoples voices include 43 out of 44 presidents, majority of both houses, and the majority of all supreme court justices. We (I am white) also have almost every news anchor, television host, and media sensation.
Jessie Jackson was a disciple of Martin Luther King Jr, at a time where there was a giant vacuum of needed African American voices (remember Malcolm X and the previously mentioned King murders only months apart?)
This situation is obviously a problem since no one should be assaulted at anytime, especially within public school jurisdiction. This however is not a race issue. Where was this outrage for white voices during the Jenna 6 fiasco or the lack of aid for hurricane Katrina victims(recent news) or during the sad chapter of american history known as "lynching" from the 20th century. This article is pointless and I can't comprehend white anger after so many years of racism by whites that this country has witnessed. This article is pointless and demonstrates the lack of civility that is going on in the US at the moment. Instead of asking the important questions, like how to prevent situations like this from occurring again, we are forced to discuss racial tensions from non-whites on whites. As an inner city history teacher, I try to teach social tolerance but you can only blame a lack of a decent education on events like these. I really hope you can rethink your position on this topic because one white kid getting beaten on a bus does not reflect all the racial inequality that goes on in this country. There is definitely a problem but to blame under educated minorities for their frustration of there supposed equality is ignorant and it will take generations to fix. For christ sake, the civil rights movement was only 50 years ago when African Americans were flat out segregated and kept apart from "white" society.
Posted By: loudog (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 09:40 PM
Guest#8315 (Guest) - there is no better example of a pathetic racist fucker than you....
Posted By: Mikel (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 09:59 PM
Being white and straight and male is the best possible situation to be in. I don't really need anyone speaking out for my rights, as currently all rights afforded to anyone apply to me, and I don't have to lift a finger to access them. If white men are whining about anything... I guess that's their right, but nobody is going to be standing in their way and the efforts they put forth are not needed or appreciated by this straight white man. You're running at windmills.
Posted By: Kakow (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 10:00 PM
If people don't shut up about race, it will never go away. I'm tired of this subject, and you all should be, too.
Posted By: Guest#3001 (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 10:02 PM
I agree, white people do need a "Jesse Jackson" type person who will stand up for them(maybe not to the point Jackson takes it, which is running over everyone else though) How much different would the Duke Lacrosse rape case have been if a "White Racial leader" supported the team(especially since they were innocent)? Also I notice that Jesse was there to tear them down, but once it came out that police found the accuser to be lying, he was no where to be found.(Mr. Jackson if you have the balls to attack people for something you THINK they did, when it comes out that they are innocent you SHOULD have the balls to apologize for being wrong, but of course your JESSE JACKSON and you shouldn't have to apologize.) I volunteer to be this white leader(even though I probably don't have any qualifications for such a position, I do have a passion for it. I'm tired of being run over by others who cry racism at every turn, not because it's true, but because it gives them a scare tactic and ,therefore, an advantage. Nobody wants to deal with a race issue that may end with visit from Mr. Jackson.
Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Perhaps the post-racial president can do something about this? The man has an enormous amount of influence and has touched many lives, whehter you agree with him politically or not. What he says on issues of race really does matter, and one of the few reasons I like Obama, is that he seemed to me to be a figure that would pull African-American's towards the Martin Luther King message, vs the Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson message. It's just one opporutunity for him to do a lot of good in this area. The problem is this is straight out of the democrat playbook. Lose on issues, and it must be racism. Did a lot of these white (yes I know, a shock for the clueless like David or Zingy I'm sure) independents that voted for him, suddenly are racist because they don't support his agenda? They weren't racist last November, but are now. That's essentially what the Jimmy Carter's of the world are saying. It's offensive, and highly unintelligent.
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 10:54 PM
Germany had a white voice about 70 years ago. see how that turned out. Isn't any act of violence a hate crime?
Posted By: FEAR (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 11:22 PM
We don't even care to listen to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson anymore. It's tiring hear them come out to show their face and get some type of publicity when a racially motivated incident happens. I'm sorry, but having a designated white person for white America is useless.
Posted By: Guest#0984 (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 11:51 PM
Loudog broke it down to the highest extent of brokeness. I could not have communicated that better.
Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 11:57 PM
Did a lot of these white (yes I know, a shock for the clueless like David or Zingy I'm sure) independents that voted for him, suddenly are racist because they don't support his agenda? They weren't racist last November, but are now. That's essentially what the Jimmy Carter's of the world are saying. It's offensive, and highly unintelligent.
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 10:54 PM
Thats a defense mechanism of the left. They know that the vast majority of people have a problem with policy not skin color. In the recent past anytime there is trouble, the race baiters break out the race card. Michael Vick, Mayor crackhead from DC, congressman Jefferson and Rangel all are victims of white people.
The problem with this strategy is people are tuning them out.Sort of sad seeing that racism is real. Just not in the case of Obamas health care plan. It should be mandatory reading: the boy who cried wolf.
Posted By: Guest#2542 (Guest) on September 17, 2009 at 12:21 AM
Am I the only one who actually LISTENED to the kid's story? He said flat out, "It was not racially motivated". White kid moves black kid's stuff. Black kid thinks he's being disrespected and takes action. Other black kid sees an opportunity to score some easy street cred and hits the kid again.
This could have happened to students of any ethnicity. Want to know why? The reason black kid attacked white kid is not because of race, It's because black kid is a fucking douchebag.
And whats with the complaining about the kids just standing there? When was the last time YOU saw a fight and immediatly jumped in to help. Jesus, people don't act like that in real life! Get the hell down off your high horses.
Posted By: Jlevysan (Guest) on September 17, 2009 at 03:55 AM
Forget all Green and purple people. Forget em. Send the Green and purple people back.
Posted By: danman (Guest) on September 17, 2009 at 10:14 AM
"Am I the only one who actually LISTENED to the kid's story? He said flat out, "It was not racially motivated"." - Posted By: Jlevysan (Guest) on September 17, 2009 at 03:55 AM
I believe that the genuine issue here is not about whether or not this was a racial incident, just as the town hall meetings were not simply about a disagreement with the proper implementation of health care reform. It is obvious, from both sides, that there are still issues regarding race in this country - the fact that we're looking at 50+ comments in less than a day says that.
The bigger question is where we should go from here.
Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest) on September 17, 2009 at 10:49 AM
J. Alexander Mitchel,
meh, granted the 50+ comments indicate that people still do have issues about race, but i think it becomes a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy. there is an assertion that it is a racial issue. this assertion causes 50+ comments. the high volume of comments proves that its a racial issue. it's circular logic.
i'm not denying that there is racism in america today. god knows, there is. but what i'm saying is that this is not the issue we should be wasting our breath about when there are real racial injustices elsewhere
Posted By: Jlevysan (Guest) on September 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM
"This could have happened to students of any ethnicity. Want to know why? The reason black kid attacked white kid is not because of race, It's because black kid is a fucking douchebag."
Nope, sorry, you're wrong. If it had been a white kid kicking the crap out of a black kid with a bunch of other white kids cheering, you can bet your ass it would be called a hate crime.
Posted By: Guest#1332 (Guest) on September 17, 2009 at 12:30 PM
YOU LIE!
Posted By: Joe Wilson (Guest) on September 17, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Tell us there isn't any reverse racism.
Posted By: Duke Lacrosse (Guest) on September 17, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Given recent discussions, I retract calling John a "twat" for his behavior in previous threads.
I do stand by my fact-checking of his attacks, though.
Posted By: J.D. Dunn (Registered) on September 17, 2009 at 01:00 PM
"I believe that the genuine issue here is not about whether or not this was a racial incident, just as the town hall meetings were not simply about a disagreement with the proper implementation of health care reform. It is obvious, from both sides, that there are still issues regarding race in this country - the fact that we're looking at 50+ comments in less than a day says that."
And that raises an interesting point. If it's not about race but perceived disrespect on the part of the black kids, would it have happened had another black kid tried to move his bags?
Is it possible race is not *the* component but is still *a* component in the story?
Posted By: J.D. Dunn (Registered) on September 17, 2009 at 01:06 PM
I agree completely! I actually recorded the early show for something else and came upon this video. I was disgusted! It was so racial!! God for bid it was the other way around. Jesse would be right there protesting. We do need someone to represent our race because eventually we'll be the minority and they will not do anything to help us. Let's get real! Oh.....I bet without knowing the bus driver's race I'm going to guess that he was probably black and that's why he did not get involved. Just a thought.
Posted By: Donna (Guest) on September 17, 2009 at 02:46 PM
"there is an assertion that it is a racial issue. this assertion causes 50+ comments. the high volume of comments proves that its a racial issue. it's circular logic."
Posted By: Jlevysan (Guest) on September 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM
My apologies on the way I communicated that. I meant to say that it is obvious that we still have issues with race in this country, not that THIS is a race issue in specific.
Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest) on September 17, 2009 at 02:51 PM
The 8th Samurai & loudog: EXECELLENT COMMENTS. Great way to break this down; I totally agree. Also, I feel that if it was another "black" kid that pushed the "black" kid's books aside to sit, he would have received the same ass whipping that the "white" kid received.
Posted By: Independent4Obama (Guest) on September 17, 2009 at 04:29 PM
8th Samurai,
I tried to compliment you on your post last night, but it did not make it through. Your post was....as Andrew would say, was "awesome"
Posted By: John (Guest) on September 17, 2009 at 10:33 PM
jackson and sharpton are needed by our government to keep the race issue on the front page. if they keep us fighting we don't see who the real evil doers are ,our government. divide and control. once WE AMERICANS realize who the real problem is, the racial issue will disappear. wake up and vote all current members of our federal government out of office. Take our government back
Posted By: brian (Guest) on September 18, 2009 at 02:22 PM
I went to an all white school and had many fights to defend myself from bullies. Then my mother moved to the south side of town where the school there was 60% black and 40% white. I didn't have one fight there. I was accepted there more so than at the all white school. I am white by the way. Yes, I was threatened by a few black students but never physically attacked. I made black friends and white friends. There was tension between blacks and whites for sure, but I was never on the end of a beat down. So race is not always the determining factor in teen year fights. Conduct means a lot, but is not always going to shield one from attack from a bully.
I think Rosa Parks would deplore the attacks on the bus by black students though. She defied the segegation laws so blacks can sit where they choose. The 14th Amendment guaranteed equal rights to all people of all races in this country. Americans now have the right to sit where they choose on the bus rather it is public transportation or a school bus. We need to understand the black perspective to understand this beat down. Is it pay back for all the years blacks were forced to sit in the back of the bus? Is it because the white kid pushed the book bag of the kid sitting in the seat on the floor? Is it because they don't know each other and are immature in handling first meetings? Is it pure racism? Is it the culture of the black community to defend yourself because of past white oppression? Is it becasue of upbringing differences and how pride in ones self is presented? How is dissing interpreted in both races? Everyone needs self esteem to be able to be a whole person. There needs to be dialogue and it is needed now. There have been strides in race relations and equality, but there still needs to be understanding. Bad mouthing will not stop this tension between races. There needs to cases presented by both sides of the issue to see how racism is inherent in all races and how to understand, but not change each others culture. Watch the movie freedom writers to see that there are problems all over this planet and how this young teacher was able to get the students to feel better about themselves.
Posted By: Duke (Guest) on September 18, 2009 at 03:24 PM
Duke, I enjoyed reading your comment. Bravo.
Posted By: Independent4Obama (Guest) on September 18, 2009 at 04:12 PM
You have got to be kidding me. Talk about a pathetic piece of crap article. Why doesn't White America have a voice!? Because they run every damn thing. This is why there has only been one black president in the the multiple centuries this country has existed.
Posted By: The Man (Guest) on September 18, 2009 at 06:55 PM
Actually, The Man, according to Vice President Biden, Obama is the first black president because he's the first articulate, clean, black man. Before Obama, according to Biden, there simply wasn't anyone good enough to be president, that was clean or articulate enough.
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on September 19, 2009 at 10:43 AM
White people have had a voice for a while. It's called Bill O'Reily, and before that, the KKK.
Christ, white people start to suffer a tiny bit and it's a huge fucking emergency. Black people went through a little something called SLAVERY and they still haven't gotten their full just desserts.
Not to mention, to be quite honest, white people are among the most selfish group in the world. If you were black and needed help in a fight, you'd have at least 3 or 4 friends by your side. Ever seen a white guy not by himself in a confrontation? BTW, this isn't stereotyping, it's something I've seen with my own eyes in the South.
As much as I dislike Jesse Jackson and other such rabble-rousers, at least other ethnic groups stick together. White people love to beat their chest about how disenfranchised they now are and now hey need to unite but they'll stab each other in the back in a heartbeat to move up the corporate ladder or take someone else's spot in the office.
That's why we'll never have a united front.
Plus, as history has shown us, when people get together in power, they like to do a little opressin'.
Posted By: lilwayne1 (Guest) on September 20, 2009 at 11:50 AM
There are a number of good white groups out there. I would suggest all whites join one. we ,however do not get the government, or corporate moneys given the black,gay, or latino sponsored groups. The works we get are individually funded,and not tax deductable. On top of that,too many whites are scared. The first thing to happen is you are made a joke of by being called a racist or a hate monger. Then others are affraid of associating with you for fear of being put in the same group. Being white is something to be proud of,but too many are made to be ashamed. The KKK can be reached at KKK.com for more info
Posted By: Jeffro08 (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 11:20 AM
STAY CURRENT