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 411mania » Politics » Blog Entry
Intensely Demonstrating Animosity
Posted by J. Alexander Mitchell on 09.19.2009



I believe it is human nature to begin responding to a thought before the presenter has finished communicating the thought. One must be a very active listener to resist falling into the trap of responding to someone's statements before you have listened to them in their entirety. Allow me to give an example. Here is what I heard, emphasis mine, when President Carter made his statement about race and criticism of President Obama:

"I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African American."

My initial reaction was that this statement was very well-meaning, but ultimately wrong. I couldn't begin to fathom an "overwhelming" portion of the President's detractors acting with a majority of emphasis on race.

Over on the 411 Mania boards, fellow writer J. D. Dunn broke down the key sentence in a slightly different manner. I would dare say he actually listened to President Carter, whereas I did not. Here is that same statement, with his emphasis:

"I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African American."

The difference between these two statements, once we focus on the specific key phrases, is astonishing. I believe President Obama responded as though he interpreted it in the way I did, hence his rebuke of the analysis. Of course, President Obama, in my opinion, goes out of his way to avoid any focus on his ethnicity, so I am not surprised by this (frankly, I believe that the President's method is considerably wiser given his position, which would explain why he is the President and I write political blogs). However, the latter makes a huge difference. The intelligent conservative that understands and argues the fiscal repercussions of an expensive health care reform package is not the target audience of President Carter's statement. The soldier that sees the battlefield difficulties of continued presence in Afghanistan is not the target audience of President Carter's statement. The Senator that debates that an insurance co-op is an alternative to the public option is not the target audience.

So who is the target audience? People that don't believe the President was born in the United States are the target audience. Those that would immediately call our President both a Nazi and a socialist are his target audience. People that would bring a semi-automatic weapon to a place the President is speaking are the target audience (I know that some of those people are Black – the character of Uncle Ruckus in The Boondocks was not created from whole cloth). Essentially, if a reasonable conservative might use the term "loony", "fringe", or "crazy" in regards to the person, that person is probably the target audience for President Carter's statement.

I wish I could say I was alone in not listening to the former President, but I am beginning to see that a lack of listening is a fairly common trend in America today. In our Internet-driven "reality entertainment" world of politics, the trend is to immediately dismiss without thought, and immediately draw lines in the sand before we even find out whether we are standing on a beach or not. Therein lies the biggest threat to the United States – not the economic power of China, not any spending difficulties, and certainly not Afghanistan. The fact that we lack the desire to understand each other is our current biggest weakness.

Fellow 411 writer Jake G. wrote a recent article about the need for a singular White voice in regards to racial issues. I have to admit that I initially thought he was joking in the column, and, as one could guess, did not agree with many of the viewpoints he shared. As an experiment, however, I went on Facebook and asked my Caucasian friends to give me their thoughts on whether or not Whites need a singular voice. I agreed with some of the thoughts and disagreed with others, but I can honestly say that I came away from that thread with a different and deeper understanding on the viewpoints of some White people, particularly in regards to their pending status as "a minority". I would like to challenge 411 readers to do the same – when you find yourself immediately rejecting a thought as wrong, make a concerted effort to understand why the person that says it makes the statement that s/he does. I don't know what will occur as a result – maybe you will change your mind, and maybe you won't. But I think the country will make a tremendous step in the right direction if we tried more often to understand what someone else thinks.



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"The intelligent conservative..."

Died out in the 1970s and was replaced by reptile men from space.


Posted By: Q:? (Guest)  on September 19, 2009 at 07:07 AM

 
 
Whites do not need a singular voice. If anything, we need LESS focus on our differences and more focus on our commonality. The USA will be a better place without people like Al Sharpton stirring the pot all the time.

And I'm not saying that sometimes legitimately foul things happen because of racism or homophobia -- because they do. But I believe people can recognize the difference between legitimate racism and incidents or crimes that are just normal every day (which is unfortunate) crimes.


Posted By: luna (Guest)  on September 19, 2009 at 09:38 AM

 
 
I agree, with you that the lunatic birthers, and people like that were President Carters' target. However, those people are in the minority of the people that are against Obama's agenda.

I also agree that Obama is playing this smart when it comes to ethnic issues, but I also believe that the "post-racial" president could use his influence and really make a change in this area. For years, the leaders within the African-American community have gotten away from Martin Luther King's message. Dr. King never advocated for affirmative action. He would never stand for reverse racism like what happened to the Duke LaCrosse players. He's spinning in his grave probably thinking about what the Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpon's of the world are doing with his message.

Bottom line is we all know there is a certain part of the population that still is racist... but I feel that it is a complete slap to President Obama's face to say that being black is the sole reason (or even a reason at all) that his popularity dwindles by the day. There are many that voted for him in November, and now see the agenda that he's trying to put forth and realize they made a mistake at the ballot box. Does that mean they suddenly became racist? Less than a year in?


Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest)  on September 19, 2009 at 10:40 AM

 
 
Or what about looking at reality. People don't like this President because they don't like his policies? I know, you liberals can't fathom people not liking big government.

Posted By: Michael (Guest)  on September 19, 2009 at 11:23 AM

 
 
the problem with the president's policy detractors are being lumped in with the lunatic fringe.

there are those who still believe he is a secret muslim terrorist born in kenya who is looking to punish the white man for slavery. what is unfortunate are those who use and manipulate that conspiracy as tool to gain followers.


Posted By: rey (Guest)  on September 19, 2009 at 12:01 PM

 
 
"Or what about looking at reality. People don't like this President because they don't like his policies? I know, you liberals can't fathom people not liking big government."

"Point to tower. We have Michael's head approaching on the horizon. Over."

"Tower to point. Point you have permission to adjust altitude to go right over Michael's head. Over."

"Point to tower. Roger that. Over."


Posted By: J.D. Dunn (Registered)  on September 19, 2009 at 12:06 PM

 
 
**************
Or what about looking at reality. People don't like this President because they don't like his policies? I know, you liberals can't fathom people not liking big government.
**************

lol.... we've had 8 years of big government under Bush, now conservatives are finally crawling out from under their rocks and bitching about it...

And Michael, think really hard on this before you answer... why is it that, if this isn't about race, we are constantly inundated by all sorts of racial attacks against Obama? From the scary muslim negro to the witch doctor, to the monkey at the zoo, to the African lion / lyin' African, to "Barak the magic Negro" and more?

If conservatives don't like his policies, why can't they factually attack those policies instead of using racial attacks and lies?


Posted By: Scott B (Guest)  on September 19, 2009 at 12:25 PM

 
 
"who is looking to punish the white man for slavery. what is unfortunate are those who use and manipulate that conspiracy as tool to gain followers."

Well, when you consider he views the Constitution as "a charter of negative liberties" and laments that is there's never been a mechanism for reparative through the courts.

I don't care about the birther nonsense, I'm much more worried about his policies and the people he's surrounding himself with.


Posted By: SteveC (Guest)  on September 19, 2009 at 01:09 PM

 
 
"Or what about looking at reality. People don't like this President because they don't like his policies? I know, you liberals can't fathom people not liking big government."

And here we have the reason this article was written.


Posted By: Michael Can't Read (Guest)  on September 19, 2009 at 01:12 PM

 
 
Contrary to popular belief, racism is not just a white disease. That is all.

Posted By: Volourn (Guest)  on September 19, 2009 at 02:31 PM

 
 
"there are those who still believe he is a secret muslim terrorist born in kenya who is looking to punish the white man for slavery. what is unfortunate are those who use and manipulate that conspiracy as tool to gain followers."

And THAT'S the big issue. Fiscal conservatives and libertarians may not hold racist views, but it seems they are willing to tolerate them in order to build an anti-Obama coalition.


Posted By: J.D. Dunn (Registered)  on September 19, 2009 at 03:05 PM

 
 
"Well, when you consider he views the Constitution as "a charter of negative liberties""

It *is* a charter of 'negative liberties.'

Please don't tell me you think he's referring to liberties as a negative thing by that quote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_liberty


Posted By: J.D. Dunn (Registered)  on September 19, 2009 at 03:19 PM

 
 
"Point to tower. We have Michael's head approaching on the horizon. Over."

"Tower to point. Point you have permission to adjust altitude to go right over Michael's head. Over."

"Point to tower. Roger that. Over."

Posted By: J.D. Dunn

Ha Ha, funny shit.

I agree that anyone who thinks Obama is not a citizen and using that as an argument is dumb.

Obama has so many other reasons that can be expoited.

Acorn, throwing people off ballots, denying democracy, keeping all of Bush's provisions in place, turning back on historic allies, embracing dictators, siding with racist professors, calling cops stupid, belonging to a racist church for twenty years, being best friends with known terrorists, his wife holding a bullshit job at a hospital, threating to cut funding to California if they try to cut their budget to unions, Van Jones, missing stimulus money...and that is only a third of my list.

Why bring up that he's not even a US citizen? (We all know that he's not, but thats not the worst thing that he has done.)


Posted By: Grant Muioc (Guest)  on September 19, 2009 at 04:14 PM

 
 
I like this article. I really like this article. Unfortunately, a dipshit like Q? is the first one to comment, knocking some of the shine off the article. Guess he didn't bother absorbing what the article was trying to say.

Posted By: Guest#1870 (Guest)  on September 19, 2009 at 05:20 PM

 
 
Why bring up that he's not even a US citizen? (We all know that he's not, but thats not the worst thing that he has done.)

Posted By: Grant Muioc (Guest) on September 19, 2009 at 04:14 PM

And its this part where any point you might have made with your previous comments suddenly become null and void, and we give you a hat saying 'insano' to wear at all times.


Posted By: Deathpool (Guest)  on September 19, 2009 at 08:35 PM

 
 
The main problem is that the grown-ups in the conservative movement have either faded away, or have lost their influence sometime in the mid 90's. Thus, we are left with the Dittoheads, crazies, Birthers, racists and whatnot.

As much as I wasn't not a huge fan of Reagan's policies, I still consider him to be the best and most effective president of my lifetime (from Nixon forward). This was because Reagan had a way of making America feel good about itself. Also,while he made no bones about his ideological beliefs, he did so in a way that accuse people who disagree with him of being arrogant, ignorant or traitors to America. If only today's conservatives could take that away.

And what drives me nuts about today's conservatives is that there are legitimate policy grounds to oppose items such as health care reform. Instead, we get more of the same, not to mention out and out lies such as "Death Panels." And yet after they're called out on the lies, they keep repeating them, hoping that somehow they'll become the truth.

So, I'd like to see someone with a brain and some integrity in the conservative movement, as well as a real sense of bipartisanship, and a willingness to tell Limbaug & co. to fuck off (and stick with it) because they're not doing the Republicans any favors.


Posted By: Michael L (Guest)  on September 19, 2009 at 09:30 PM

 
 
**********
and a willingness to tell Limbaug & co. to fuck off (and stick with it) because they're not doing the Republicans any favors.
**********

That'd be great, but unfortunately the voter base loves Limbaugh.

Republicans can deny all they want that he's the unofficial leader of the party, but when a US representative and the head of the RNC both speak the truth about him (that he should spend more time helping with solutions instead of hurling insults and smears) and are then forced to go on his show and tongue his asshole clean in apology, then you know that the party is in trouble.

I know conservatives hate to hear it, but their main voter block is made up of two groups - rich white men that have so much money they really don't give a damn, and under-educated white men that are looking for a reason to blame anyone else for their problems.


Posted By: Scott B (Guest)  on September 20, 2009 at 11:17 AM

 
 
So if all the "under-educated white men that are looking for a reason to blame anyone else for their problems." is true of the conservatives is the opposite true of the Liberals? Is half of their base under-educated ethnic groups looking for a reason to blame anyone else for their problems? Just wondering.

Posted By: Lucky (Guest)  on September 20, 2009 at 03:59 PM

 
 
I know conservatives hate to hear it, but their main voter block is made up of two groups - rich white men that have so much money they really don't give a damn, and under-educated white men that are looking for a reason to blame anyone else for their problems.

Posted By: Scott B (Guest) on September 20, 2009 at 11:17 AM

Racist bullshit.


Posted By: Mikel (Guest)  on September 20, 2009 at 04:37 PM

 
 
So being "ethnic" is the opposite of being "white"? Good to know.

Posted By: Scotty H (Guest)  on September 21, 2009 at 10:30 AM

 
 
"Dr. King never advocated for affirmative action."

History begs to differ.

"A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for the Negro"

"Within common law we have ample precedents for special compensatory programs.... And you will remember that America adopted a policy of special treatment for her millions of veterans after the war."

"Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic."


Posted By: J.D. Dunn (Registered)  on September 21, 2009 at 11:54 AM

 
 
The most important thing you touch on is the lack of listening from todays generation.

"Keyboard Warriors" are turning their thoughtless rants on forums, blogs, and comment sections into national opinion. People jump to conclusions like it is a board game(semi Office Space reference there) with absolutely not thought of potential consequences to their outbursts.

I think the second biggest issue in today's world free thinking world is that anyone with a prominent public image (ranging from actors and athletes to politicians) apologize all the damn time. Can't anyone have an opinion that doesn't make everyone happy and just stick with it?

Look at JFK. He didnt have the most supporters at first, yet he didnt waver and he got admiration for that. Same happened with MLK. Sorry to use people who were killed as examples though... maybe thats why it doesnt happen, lol.

We need a charismatic leader who can just be strong in his/her convictions while not coming off as arrogant to the point they seem foolish (cough ** Sarah Palin ** cough) to come foreword and take a stab at running this mess of a country.

I dunno, maybe we just need a militaristic dictator to take all our freedoms for us to start appreciating how good we have it.


Posted By: AG Awesome (Guest)  on September 21, 2009 at 12:53 PM

 
 
Wow, MLK'S overriding message of let's judge a man by the content of his character and not by the color of his skin apparently is not inspring enough for JD. So of course he must go sifting through liberal blogs for snippets of speech made by MLK so he can undermine that inspiring message in order to advance the modern day statist agenda?

A new low, even for you JD.


Posted By: Da Man (Guest)  on September 21, 2009 at 02:31 PM

 
 
I believe what JD was saying was that MLK was ALWAYS down with the "modern day statist agenda" as a means to the end of equality.

Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest)  on September 21, 2009 at 03:39 PM

 
 
To da Man - here is an excellent alternative take on how MLK may have felt towards affirmative action: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1292

Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest)  on September 21, 2009 at 04:41 PM

 
 
I think it’s silly that it took you this long to figure out that you should actually listen and actually consider what another person is saying before you rush to judgment. This must be an American thing. News flash: that’s what decent people do. Your society is based on the “I’m right and you’re wrong mentality”, which is ridiculous because there are rarely issues where it’s completely one way and not at all the other. Congratulations for finally learning what much of the rest of the world already knows.

Posted By: THE Un-American (Guest)  on September 22, 2009 at 11:49 AM

 
 
I would be what some of you would label a "liberal". The other day, my brother-in-law helped me tear down part of my shed. We went to my father-in-law's place to torch it. We sat in his pickup truck, shared a beer and just talked. He talked about Glenn Beck and how even though he thinks he's batshit insane, he just wants answers. He agrees with that. I can NOT disagree with that. I want answers, too. I want to know what is being done about some of the shit that's happening in our country.

My brother in law hunts, I don't. He drives a Ford pickup, I drive a Hyundai Sonata. He works in a factory as a machinist while I work in an office. He thinks Obama is a smart man, and he actually doesn't believe he's the Antichrist, but believes that someone behind him is pulling the strings.

That's fine. I can understand that. For years I was 100% positive that Dick Cheney was the *real* POTUS, so I can afford his theory some thought and understanding.

We sat there, talking about our "political views" - and even though we may disagree in some instances on HOW things should be done, we both agree on WHAT needs to be done and agree that we need EACH OTHER, ideas on BOTH SIDES to make shit work.

I'm a skinny 5'7" black guy, barely breaking 150lbs. He's a 6ft, 255lb linebacker of a guy. I'm hip-hop, he's rock. He's a lover of whiskey. I like a Corona with lime. He's essentially a "good ol' boy" and I'm as "urban" as you can get.

But we can sit down, share a beer, share our passions and our beliefs and have a decent conversation and come to a parallel consensus that there are problems in this country that need to be addressed. My brother-in-law and myself are DIFFERENT IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY, but we hold THE SAME IDEAS ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE WANT in their lives.

- A loving family
- A sense of purpose (whether superficial or spiritual)
- A home, decent food and clothing
- Opportunities to succeed and opportunities to express ourselves without (and this is important) NEGETIVELY INTERFERING with others.
- A feeling of security and piece of mind.
- A sense of community and charity.
- A world where no one suffers.

I don't care who you are or your "political affiliations" - these are UNIVERSAL. These are the things that EVERYONE wants. We both believe that if this is the greatest country in the world, that the government AND the people who voted them in need to set examples in regards to how we treat each other.

Set the example. If me and Big Ol' Bobbty can do it and we are polarizing personalities in every way, I don't see how hard it is for everyone else to do the same.


Posted By: The 8th Samurai (Registered)  on September 22, 2009 at 12:21 PM

 
 
"Wow, MLK'S overriding message of let's judge a man by the content of his character and not by the color of his skin apparently is not inspring enough for JD. So of course he must go sifting through liberal blogs for snippets of speech made by MLK so he can undermine that inspiring message in order to advance the modern day statist agenda?

A new low, even for you JD."

Haha. You're such an ill-informed silly lady. Sorry you had to find out this way, but MLK supported affirmative action. It in no way overrides his message of judging men by the content of their character because reparations would be paid because of government *actions.*

Let's just check his own book, lest we doubt:

"No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages. The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of a the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law."


Posted By: J.D. Dunn (Registered)  on September 22, 2009 at 01:37 PM

 
 
cool, so what you're saying JD is that MLK is no better than Reverend Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Reverend Wright or any of the other race baiters out there today. Society chose to focus on his more uplifting and practical message, but not you.

Way to try and destroy a legacy.

This "silly lady" is disappointed in you.


Posted By: Da Man (Guest)  on September 22, 2009 at 01:55 PM

 
 
Actually Da Man, those were some of his closest friends. Makes me wonder what he would have been like today if he wasnt assassinated...


And Un-American, you should get your facts straight with the rest of the world. America isnt the only place playing the "jump to conclusions" game.


Posted By: AG Awesome (Guest)  on September 23, 2009 at 06:18 AM

 
 
"cool, so what you're saying JD is that MLK is no better than Reverend Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Reverend Wright or any of the other race baiters out there today. Society chose to focus on his more uplifting and practical message, but not you."

I think it's pretty clear that he's not better or worse. He happened to be the one who was around when Civil Rights legislation was passed, and he was assassinated. People tend to ignore your flaws when that happens. If one of your ilk winds up killing Jackson or Sharpton, I guarantee you history will view them positively.

But you can continue to divorce yourself from reality as much as you want.


Posted By: J.D. Dunn (Registered)  on September 23, 2009 at 02:51 PM

 
STAY CURRENT




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