Is It Possible To Change Washington?
Posted by Jason Douglas on 11.06.2009
A year after Barack Obama's historic victory, why so little progress?
Arianna Huffington wrote an article this week titled The Audacity of Winning Vs the Timidity of Governing (here's the link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/obama-one-year-later-the_b_343209.html). It was inspired by David Plouffe's new book about the Obama campaign, and she asked a key question: what would Candidate Obama think of President Obama? It cuts to the heart of an issue I've been debating with myself all year: Was Obama a wolf in sheep's clothing, or upon arriving in Washington was he swallowed up by a system so entrenched that no one can change it? First, for argument's sake we're going to assume that everything Obama campaigned on has majority public approval. Second, this isn't about asking why he hasn't achieved his stated agenda yet. We're talking about intentions and proposed action, not grading results. The "give him time" crowd has a point if the evidence suggests that he's pulling in the right direction and is merely meeting resistance and obstacles which have slowed him down.
There will be much discussion years from now about how Barack Obama fared as the first African American President. His successes and failures will be tied to the economy, the outcomes of wars, and whether he delivered on social changes he promised. These are very complex issues which don't allow cut and dry assessments of his individual performance. Just as you can't appraise a quarterback simply by his team's wins and losses, a President's effectiveness has to be placed in context. In the current context, the sitting President's party has super-majorities in both houses of Congress. He was elected by a populace which greatly disapproved of the previous administration, and was more afraid of staying on the same path than trying something new. Yet despite the stars aligning for Obama to be elected and have just about any idea embraced by the masses, if only because he isn't Bush, his initiative has been sorely lacking. Why?
To achieve a goal, the first thing a politician needs is to win his desired office. This is stating the obvious, but the implications of completing this first step affect everything that follows. Obama started out in the Chicago political machine, becoming a state Senator. It is impossible to win elected office as an Illinois Democrat without the support of this machine. This is a key point, because any notion of Obama's Presidential win being akin to Mr. Smith Goes to Washington is false. He had a full taste of the most corrupt political system in the country right from the start. You shake hands with shady characters (google Tony Rezco), you smile and nod a lot so those with influence know you're one of them, and most of all your victory represents a guarantee of return on their investment. The examples of pay for play are too numerous to mention. What currently happens in Chicago is we have a system where everyone around the mayor who hasn't been convicted yet has their hands in things that range from ethically dubious to outright illegal. All the while, the mayor himself looks doe-eyed at the local press and says if there's corruption, he certainly isn't aware of it. As sure as the sky is blue, Richard M. Daley will never even be charged with a crime because he's smart enough to let his henchmen handle everything. There will never be a recording to link him to wrongdoing, because he's not even in the room when deals are cut. They get a wink and a nod and know what to do. This is the model President Obama witnessed for years, and never did he utter a word about it or aspire to change it. The only difference between how things are done in Chicago and in Washington is that in Chicago deals are for city contracts to benefit those who prop up complicit leaders, while in Washington lobbyists openly engage in bribery and nobody even worries about secrecy. Ted Stevens was caught dead-to-rights, convicted, and still never served one day in prison.
While the notion of someone becoming President through grassroots support is romantic, it doesn't happen. Obama's rise to the highest office began in Chicago, and it's no coincidence that his supporters here were brought along for the ride once he won. If he were to go against the machine even once, his largest source of support would be lost. Someone who won the popular vote by 6% can't afford to cast off his backers and prioritize the strength of his convictions. With the veto pen safely in the hands of a fellow Democrat, those who put Obama in the White House are free to bring the gravy train into the station. Any legislation that doesn't exist to facilitate pork barrel spending is a waste of time. I believe in principle that a government should deficit spend during a recession to spur the economy, and save for a rainy day when times are good. All we're seeing now is the perfect cover for massive waste and corruption. Streets that didn't need repair have been torn up and repaved while bridges continue to crumble. Why? Because the stimulus money has to be funneled to contractors the mayor's brother and other Daley friends just happen to own a large stake in.
At my most optimistic, I had hoped Obama would send lots of pork money back to Illinois in exchange for being free to pursue his national agenda. Instead, the tail is wagging the dog. Be it against Rahm Emanuel or the Geithner's and Bernanke's of the inner circle, I expected the President to stand tall and fight for his ideals, even if they came at a price. Instead, he is beholden to special interests. He cut a deal with Big Pharma, and hasn't spent any political capital on issues he promised to fight for. There's too much money at stake for his handlers to let him go off trying to make the world a better place. That's the real reason he has been nearly silent during the sparring over health care reform, save for one lofty speech. Those who really call the shots need their meal ticket to get four more years in office. Better to try for reform and fail than succeed but spend so much political capital in the process that down the line a big spending bill won't pass.
Over the course of the campaign, Barack Obama visibly aged about ten years. Was it because our economic meltdown would make his job many times harder? Was it the knowledge slowly setting in that things would be no different in Washington than back home? Or was it anxiety over how he would explain to the millions who supported him that "Yes we can" was just one more campaign slogan? Will he let the Wall Street and political insiders he has surrounded himself with largely call the shots, or will he realize that power is useless if he doesn't wield it? Bush never left any mystery about his goals, and plowed towards them with the full support of his party while half the country screamed. He got most of what he wanted, no matter how detrimental it has turned out. Obama had a huge approval rating, an agenda the country was ready for, and bigger majorities than Bush ever had, and he's still trying to make friends with those who will hate him no matter what he does. At this point in time, I assess George W. Bush as a better leader than Barack Obama. Maybe executive experience is more important than I thought when I voted for him. Bush could have proposed putting arsenic in school children's milk and had his party's full support. Obama can't get his side together on treating sick people. He can give a poetic speech and stir voter support, but politicians are immune to speeches. All they understand is money, and there's no money in helping people unless that help is connected to the votes that keep the gravy train rolling. Does such a connection exist? Will the profiteers have to answer to the people because it's good business, or can they run our nation in whatever way makes them the most money?
What do you think? In between the deal cutting, bank bailouts, silence on gay rights, indecision on Afghanistan (we don't even know what he's weighing as he decides on a course), lack of transparency on torture, lack of bank reform, lack of major energy legislation (new sources, not cap and trade), is the man of hope and change still in there? So far this year, we had a stimulus bill, and are still fighting over health care. Legislation which doesn't exist will never pass. A silent President won't spur legislation. When I try to conjure images of Obama this year, the big moments, I think of a beer summit, a lecture to kids to study, and someone shouting "You lie!" during a speech. With several issues of historic significance at stake, and a master orator in office, it stuns me that there has been no "Ask not..." or "The only thing we have to fear..." moment. Has his eloquence failed him, or is his inspiration dead? Where is the leadership?
"Change" in any political location is hard. Several years ago, here in PA voters threw out many legislative leaders, but kept the current governor in office. So "change" and "reform" are great buzzwords that most people want, but many differ on what type of change or reform needs to occur? Any change at one position in government that is not accompanied by someone of a similar stripe at other positions, means that the "change" won't happen.
I did not vote for Barack Obama, and disagree with several of his ideas. But I also feel his biggest obstacle has been and will continue to be his own party. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid made statements early on that they wanted the President to follow their agenda, and would not follow his unless it walked lockstep with theirs. It is that sort of "me first" grandstanding that holds up any reform no matter what the level of government. Until Pelosi and Reid are out of his way, his plans will not succeed because they will defeat him faster than the Republicans.
Posted By: awdnunz (Guest) on November 06, 2009 at 01:21 PM
Obama had a billion things on his plate as soon as he got in there. The bail outs happened on Bush's watch and was approved by McCain, so why is it Obama's problem? Because, the GOP has done a great job of pinning all of Bush's mistakes on Obama. These tea baggers are just an extension of the conservative wing, but following in the footsteps of their new hero, Glenn Becck, they do a lot of crying for ratings. I might not of done health care in the summer and focused more on the wars. Still, he is at least doing something about it. The economy is getting better which I am actually seeing in my business. The real problem is that companies are waiting for someone to tell them to spend money or using this mess as a disaster to cut costs while lining their pockets which not Obama's fault.
I also think people are missing his wins here. Iraqi will be over soon, he passed legislation to make sure the economy didn't crash and he just picked up another house seat this week. His real problem is a Congress that has no spine and worried too much about elections a year away then anything else. Once Health Care is passed, he can move on to other bigger problems. And yes, Health Care will get passed while the teabaggers cry all the way to paying less for their insurance.
Posted By: AFan (Guest) on November 06, 2009 at 12:47 PM
I think that this just shows that rhetoric is always eventually overshadowed by reality. Obama is hardly the first person to campaign on "change". Every election we get somebody telling us about horrible Washington is and that "how this time it will be different, we promise". And we fall for it hook, line, and sinker every time.
Posted By: Josh (Guest) on November 06, 2009 at 02:42 PM
I think Obama's big problem/mistake was not paring down what he wanted to accomplish while he was running for office. It became apparent that the economy was in REAL trouble, not just having a significant bump. I remember during an interview or possibly a debate he was asked if that was going to limit the things he was going to do as president.
He said no. He going to go ahead with all of his plans unchanged.
I thought that was lunacy. Even to this day he says that.
I'm big on social issues, and especially environmental ones, but even I recognize that this isn't the right time for that. We need a laser focus on getting America up and running again. If Obama could/can pull that off before the next election, he would waltz in and then deal with all the other stuff.
I just don't see how he could make the election promises he made when he knew that he was going to have to clean up after Bush, deal with two wars, and restart the economy. It was the one thing that made me not want to vote for him. I knew it was an impossible plan and so did he. It was an outright lie.
Posted By: xjuggernaughtx (Guest) on November 06, 2009 at 02:56 PM
AFan: Obama has done little to separate himself from the Bush administration. That's the price he pays for not quickly taking action to demonstrate a fundamentally different course. Even some who voted for him are calling him Bush 3.0 Obama's analogy about the Iraq war used a bus stuck in a ditch. While he didn't drive us into it, he's standing there debating those who did rather than doing anything to get us out. He didn't oppose the bank bailouts, nor did he even demand requiring tighter regulations as a precondition to granting them (he was a Senator, so he wasn't powerless). The banks are paying lobbyists with our bailout money to keep rules from changing so they can do this all over again.
awdnunz: If there is a material difference between the agendas of Pelosi/Reid and Obama, his near silence makes it hard to see. When you stand next to someone, let them keep saying something and seemingly never disagree, by default you're endorsing their ideas. Congress has a far lower approval rating than Obama, so he should be the one making demands of them, not vice-versa. From 2006-2008 they never once had the guts to stand up to Bush, but show no fear of Obama. Whose fault is that? He's like a coach who gets all his players to like him at the expense of losing authority. Where defying Bush meant being labeled troop haters, defying Obama just means he'll ask what he can do to make them happy.
Bush was really the only nationally liked Republican leader, so his party couldn't afford his wrath and fell in line. Barack "Ned Flanders" Obama is likewise the only face his party can win public support with, but he's not using it to his advantage. If he threatens to derail the gravy train, they'll listen to him. When he signed the stimulus bill, full of pork, and said next time there would be more scrutiny, they knew he lacks the stones to stand up to them.
Posted By: Jason Douglas (Registered) on November 06, 2009 at 03:02 PM
I think Obama's big problem/mistake was not paring down what he wanted to accomplish while he was running for office. It became apparent that the economy was in REAL trouble, not just having a significant bump. I remember during an interview or possibly a debate he was asked if that was going to limit the things he was going to do as president.
Posted By: xjuggernaughtx (Guest) on November 06, 2009 at 02:56 PM
I always got that Obama had four major agenda items: Health Care Reform, Environmental reform (highlighted by cap and trade), Education Reform, and getting us out of Iraq/Focused on Afghanistan. Outside of fighting the immediate fires (such as economic issues), he hasn't strayed far from those big four things. Notice how the gay community is a bit miffed about "Don't Ask Don't tell" not even making the radar until next year?
Sure, he has tried to do more in less time than many, I don't think he's tried to do it all.
Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest) on November 06, 2009 at 04:47 PM
I just remember on election night Obama saying that what he wants to could take more than one term to complete. As far as change goes, I'll take the past nine months over the previous eight years in a heartbeat.
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on November 06, 2009 at 05:02 PM
"I always got that Obama had four major agenda items: Health Care Reform, Environmental reform (highlighted by cap and trade), Education Reform, and getting us out of Iraq/Focused on Afghanistan."
What did he propose on education? Every politician uses some variation of the phrase "strengthen education", but I don't recall any major specifics.
Posted By: Jason Douglas (Registered) on November 06, 2009 at 05:26 PM
I always got that Obama had four major agenda items: Health Care Reform, Environmental reform (highlighted by cap and trade), Education Reform, and getting us out of Iraq/Focused on Afghanistan. Outside of fighting the immediate fires (such as economic issues), he hasn't strayed far from those big four things. Notice how the gay community is a bit miffed about "Don't Ask Don't tell" not even making the radar until next year?
Sure, he has tried to do more in less time than many, I don't think he's tried to do it all.
Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest) on November 06, 2009 at 04:47 PM
The Cap and Trade bill sucks and will never get out of the senate. It could in future years cost every family of four up to $1200 dollars a year. It was shitty legistlation that would "neccessarily skyrocket" electricity bills. Even if you deny Obama said it.
Education reform?...........were was that? What did he do other than get rid of vouchers in DC? I know he grandfathered in his kids schoolmates, what a guy.
Still in Iraq.
Not listening to his hand picked general in Afganistan.
What economic "fire" did he put out? Remember his stimulus bill would keep unemployment under 8%. Today JAM, its 10.2%. Monumental fail.
Thats why the white house is talking about another round of stimulus, becuase this one FAILED.
As for health care, love to see you justify this:H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax. “If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply"
“Criminal penalties
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.”
Thats right, buy health care or go to the joint. How progressive.
So much for living in a free country.
Obama is in over his head.
Of course JAM, I don't think the man can do anything wrong in your world. Pretty sad.
Posted By: John (Guest) on November 06, 2009 at 07:35 PM
I always got that Obama had four major agenda items: Health Care Reform, Environmental reform (highlighted by cap and trade), Education Reform, and getting us out of Iraq/Focused on Afghanistan. Outside of fighting the immediate fires (such as economic issues), he hasn't strayed far from those big four things.
Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest) on November 06, 2009 at 04:47 PM
I agree with you, but my point is that that is three too many things. Once the economy went south, that should be the main focus. I mean, I know there is only so much work that can be done on it, but your the ship captain, you goals may be getting to the destination on time, safety, customer service, and employee relations, but if the ship is sinking, I expect that you are going to drop most of that and work on the fixing the boat problem. Then get back to that stuff.
It just sounds ridiculous to be talking about reforming healthcare right now, when we have over 10% (probably much higher) of the public out of work. If he had pretty much stayed on two fronts, dealing with the wars and dealing with the economy, then he'd probably be in a much better position now and if he were to be successful, he'd REALLY be in a great position in a year or two to tackle the rest. There is no way that the guy after Bush who successfully revived the economy and dealt efficiently with the wars is not getting re-elected. Right now, he's the guy who hasn't done very much, and it's because he's spreading himself too thin at a critical moment. I agree with Jason that he hasn't been forceful enough (at least not publicly).
It was one of Bush's great faults that he didn't really understand the role of the president. That role is to convince the American public that their ideas are right. The public pressures Congress and Congress enacts based on those desires. Bush came out and stated things and then looked confused with his executive order didn't come into being. Obama is kinda/sorta falling into that mold. He got where he was by persuading the public. If he wants healthcare reform so damn bad, he needs to go out and make his argument again and again and again. Just the basic desire from him isn't enough. Yes, he was voted in, but that doesn't mean 100% of his agenda was supported by his electorate.
Posted By: xjuggernaughtx (Guest) on November 06, 2009 at 06:29 PM
Lets see, unemployment nearly at 10 % (even though we were "back from the brink" at around 9 %) when it wasn't going above 8. I know I know, the "4th quarter numbers were worse than they thought". They couldn't project that, but by-god they can project that the house bill will lower costs of health insurance for americans. Nice logic there. You're right, we will get out of Iraq, we were getting out of Iraq when Bush set the time table in 2008, which Obama hasn't altered. Afghanistan was going to be his focus on the campaign trail, but he's too busy checking out his "focus groups" to make an important DECISION (you know... what executives do?) while Americans lives are more at risk every single day. WHERE ARE THE DEMOCRATS, and WAR PROTESTERS NOW? Take a wild guess as to which group will take the biggest hit on cap and trade? The evil rich dude with 7 SUV's? Or the single mother that commutes 40 minutes to work every day, just to pay MORE for electricity for her kids. Yeah, so much for being for the little guy (not that anyone with a BRAIN should be surprised). We can go on and on about the corruption within his own administration. All of his Czars (who weren't vetted at all, certainly didn't have to be approved by congress like the cabinet does) are some of the most corrupt people around. He's got a tax cheat running, you guessed it, the IRS. People aren't just calling him Bush V.2 (or 3) to be funny, it happens to be true. He spend a year and half campaigning against Bush's reckless spending, and here he is, within his first year, outspending Bush. And all the liberals can come up with is to blame it on Glenn Beck, or Rush Limbaugh or the teabaggers.
The main problem is, on the campaign trail, he didn't have to actually tell people what he was gonna do. He could just come up with his cute sayings like Change, and Hope. Now that he's actually pushing his liberal agenda (which again, anyone with a BRAIN saw coming) people are disappointed. I have no sympathy for folks that want there vote back. I didn't vote for either McCain or Obama, because they were pretty much the same on the one key issue, and that was the economy.
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on November 06, 2009 at 08:17 PM
The goverment can not even get the H1N1 vaccine correct, how is Obama going to tackle everything he promised?
I guess date nights, peach cobbler with Keith Olbermann, and a astounding amount of golf has got in the way.
Posted By: Tired (Guest) on November 06, 2009 at 08:38 PM
This is what happens when you elect someone based not on qualifications but because of undefined hopes and to make a "historic" vote.
No decision on Afganistan. Health care reform designed to put private businesses in the gutter. 10% unemployment. Government ownership or dictation of GM, GE, Chrysler and the banks. Tax and cap, total disregard of the 34 health reform bills put forward by repubs and apologizing around the globe for America.
And they call people like me paranoid when we cry socialism?
Now I'm called a traiter and terrorist by the left?
I thought dissent was patriotic according to the left, oh thats right, only when you agree with their agenda.
Posted By: peepshow26 (Guest) on November 06, 2009 at 10:54 PM
And they call people like me paranoid when we cry socialism?
Now I'm called a traiter and terrorist by the left?
I thought dissent was patriotic according to the left, oh thats right, only when you agree with their agenda.
Posted By: peepshow26 (Guest) on November 06, 2009 at 10:54 PM
Is this what you are refering to, from then Senator Clinton, "I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration."
See peepshow, Dunn, JAM, and Zimmer will tell you that is patriotic. When the right protests, it astroturf, nazi, rasict hate.
The left is intolerant, hypocrites. Plain and simple. Checkmate.
Posted By: John (Guest) on November 07, 2009 at 12:04 AM
911, two simultaneous wars, Gasoline reaching 4.75 a gallon, Housing market collapse, Banking collapse, Wall Street’s 6000 point plummet, General Motors declaring bankruptcy. None of that CHANGED Washington! What would make ANYONE think "electing a NEW GUY" would change anything in Washington? The change was outside of Washington where the real change has to begin and work its way into Washington. People who didn't have hope before have hope that change is possible. Barack Obama is the start of change outside of Washington that will one day make its way to Washington.
Posted By: GTM (Guest) on November 07, 2009 at 12:13 AM
911, two simultaneous wars, Gasoline reaching 4.75 a gallon, Housing market collapse, Banking collapse, Wall Street’s 6000 point plummet, General Motors declaring bankruptcy. None of that CHANGED Washington! What would make ANYONE think "electing a NEW GUY" would change anything in Washington? The change was outside of Washington where the real change has to begin and work its way into Washington. People who didn't have hope before have hope that change is possible. Barack Obama is the start of change outside of Washington that will one day make its way to Washington.
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Sorry, but all that hope is basically gone now. I work at a college, and I can tell you that where students were all keyed up about Obama and his campaign last year, they don't care anymore. Hope has given way to apathy and resignation. There was an article in "The Nation" last week that talked about the difference between an Obama rally during the Campaign and his speech when he stumped for Corzine. The writer said that where last year that had been a huge cross section of age and race, the Corzine rally was almost toally African Americans. Obamamania was a fad, and too many of these young, idealistic voters believed he could be what he was promising. When he turned out to be just another politician, they lost the fire.
Posted By: Evil George (Guest) on November 07, 2009 at 01:31 AM
Politically? No, unless you start over. But Physically, paint and bulldozers could change Washington.
Posted By: Ant-LOX (Guest) on November 07, 2009 at 01:44 AM
I still get a special tingling running up my leg over president Obama
Posted By: Chris Mathews (Guest) on November 07, 2009 at 01:32 PM
"Now that he's actually pushing his liberal agenda (which again, anyone with a BRAIN saw coming) people are disappointed."
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on November 06, 2009 at 08:17 PM
Wait...so you spent the entire previous paragraph explaining how Obama is NO different than Bush. Then you say he has a 'liberal' agenda? So GWB had a liberal agenda? You had a good argument until you contradicted yourself by going for the rhetoric.
Posted By: MydniteSon (Guest) on November 07, 2009 at 12:12 PM
It took that asshole 3 minutes and a "shout out" to even mention the tragedy in Texas.
Posted By: Willie (Guest) on November 07, 2009 at 10:04 PM
mydnite, I wouldn't say Bush had a liberal agenda, but he I don't think he knew where the veto pen was for 8 years, as he never met a spending bill he didn't sign. And I'm not even talking about the War in Iraq. I'm talking breaking the bank on No Child Left Behind, Prescription Drugs... you name it. There was certainly not a conservative agenda domestically. The point is, Obama spent nearly 2 years campaigning against this, and then he doubles-down on it all. Bush's biggest problem was that he never went over the mainstream media, and directly to the american public. He just let the left shovel shit on him for 8 years, and never fought back. He let these morons get away with voting 98-1 (1 no vote) in the United States senate for the Patriot Act, and then do nothing when the democrats campaigned about how bad it is. Bush stands by and lets them get away with it. Same thing when they voted to continue it at a 89-10 clip including the guy currently residing in the white house, and once again, they get away with it. You liberals spent 8 years whining about how un-constitutional all the illegal wiretaps by Bush were, and your guy expands on it, and you all go silent. Now I happen to think the war in Iraq, Patriot Act, were not good things. Didn't like them when Bush was running the show, and don't like them now. Several of the libs that post here, and all over the country seemed to hate those things for 8 years, and nowhere to be found now.
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on November 08, 2009 at 01:48 AM
Why do the Left and Right continue to fight with each other and not bother to notice how it's really about the Haves vs the Have-nots?
And guess what? Most Americans are NOT in the Have group.
Posted By: smoke and mirrors (Guest) on November 08, 2009 at 02:52 PM
Depends on what your definition of haves and have-nots are.
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on November 08, 2009 at 07:05 PM
This "have, have not" debate is just another way to divide people and to give more power to the government and to keep people voting dem.
No where in our founding documents does it say that anyone has the right to redistribute wealth, it is patently against everything this country stands for. The vast majority of people in this country are above the poverty line and frankly it is their own fault if they can't manage their income or are jealous of those who actually take the risks to be innovative and entrepenurial.
Posted By: peepshow26 (Guest) on November 08, 2009 at 08:04 PM
@Peepshow26: Sorry, but that is way too simple. Right now 62% of workers in this country don't make enough to make ends meet, in fact, the average worker only gets paid enough for about 26 days out of the month. I remember a friend in High School being a teacher's aid. Most of the people I knew who had this teacher really struggled. I remember she had about 200 total students. When I had told my friend about how harsh she was, my friend said that about 70% of all of her students got below a C-, even people who had always been on the honor roll. What was funny is that for somebody that was so tough with grades, she never held herself to the same standards. She would be late aroung 80% of the time. The point is that this is a systemic problem, not a personal one. I'll say it once and I'll say it again. Why is it that when there is a fucked up system, we change the people, so they fit into it, but we don't change the system, so it actually fits people.
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 05:36 AM
There appears to be a big disconnect between the types of comments in this article and the types of comments in the "Rebuilding of the Republican Brand" roundtable article.
It's almost disconcerting...
Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 11:07 AM
"in fact, the average worker only gets paid enough for about 26 days out of the month."
Well, they only work 20-25 days of the week seeing as most people don't work weekends, I'd say they are doing better than they should.
Posted By: BKS (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 05:27 PM
@BKS, I think you mean "20-25" days of the month. It's a brainfart. I do it all the time. My point was that a full time job should be enough to last the whole month, but because middle and low incomes have been stagnant for about 30 to 35 years, the average worker's pay only lasts about 26 days. That means the middle and lower classes have gotten less and less to work with. This brings on the credit card issue. Not only are they being used for emergencies now, they are also being used for regular goods that people used to be able to pay for. On the other end, the people at the top have been making more and more at the expense of the low and middle classes. I know they can create jobs, but so can the low and middle classes. Let's say a boss pays his employees what they would be getting paid, when adjusted for inflation. More money would go in their pockets. They could save more and spend more. There is less of a need for credit cards. The money that is spent would help build small businesses and keep big chains from flaming out. The small businesses could pay more and hire more. Those people would continue to add to the economy. It would mean that the top people would be less wealthy, but if that means they have to buy five new cars this year, instead of the usual nine or ten, most people aren't going to lose any sleep over this. I know some will argue about cutting taxes, but getting paid what you should be getting paid, when adjusted for inflation would give the average worker so much more. I remember when all it took was one parent working to support a family. Now, it takes more than one job for lower class workers to support themselves. Notice that I didn't say a family. Hard working people are hurting and there must be major reform, otherwise, I'm afraid of what we could become.
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 07:12 PM
"On the other end, the people at the top have been making more and more at the expense of the low and middle classes."
See, all the numbers I've seen indicate that the "rich are getting richer," a popular yelling of the left, is because they know HOW to invest. For instance, since the begging of August we've seen gold go from $955/oz to what will most surely be at or above $1,100 today. That's a 15% return in 3 months. If I'd invested 1 mill. in gold back then I'd be 15% percent richer without doing anything. They aren't just richer because they don't pay their employes, they are richer because investments are a sure fire way to make (or lose) money.
Honestly, my parents barely qualify for middle class and they, using their brains, live a great life of about 40,000 a year(Before taxes) while still taking care of my younger sister. Heck, the biggest expense they've made is buying supplies for fixing up my Grandmothers house, which they had to pay 10% more because we live in the spend-happy state of CA. If anything, if you wanted to help the middle class we'd get rid of a sales tax above 5%.
Posted By: BKS (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 04:38 AM
@BKS: While lowering the sales tax would help, it still doesn't change the fact that the lower class and working poor are having less and less to spend and a lower sales wouldn't help much if people don't have the money to spend anyway. That goes to your investing point. People don't have the cash to invest. They are doing what they can to make ends meet. As far as the rich getting richer part goes, they are making sure that they are covered. 30 years ago, the richest 1% controlled about 8% of the economy. Now, they control about 25%. That extra money is coming from somewhere. It's coming from the average worker's wages, benefits, and pensions. Even if the companies lose money, the executive class will make sure they get a big bonus and if that means they have to cut back on what their employees get, then so be it. Don't even get me started on golden parachutes. It's pretty clear that we aren't going to see eye to eye on this, but it is pretty nice to have a debate about this without a bunch of yelling and insults that ruin it.
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 04:13 PM
“That goes to your investing point. People don't have the cash to invest.”
No, it doesn’t. Example. Gates and other top billionaires have become less rich since the recession. Where did this money go? The government doesn’t have it. The consumer doesn’t have it. “They” don’t have it. It was all in investments and when the investment dropped they “lost” money without actually losing anything. Did sales drop because of the recession? Of course, but they were losing money before hand. The same situation applies to when they make money.
“Even if the companies lose money, the executive class will make sure they get a big bonus and if that means they have to cut back on what their employees get, then so be it.”
As for matters of “fair-wage” what exactly constitutes it? My opinion and your opinion would differ by a large margin on what it is. And who would police and enforce this law? If it’s the government, would they do it out of special interest?
Posted By: BKS (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 06:14 PM
@BKS: I meant to say that the average low or middle class worker doesn't have the money to invest. Bill Gates can afford the brunt, due to his wealth and good for him to do so, or there would be many of his employees that would bear the brunt. That's somethig they can't afford to do. Concerning a fair wage, I wouldn't want the gov. having complete control, but I would like a few safeguards put in place so that it's not only the poor or working poor that bear the brunt, when the economy is not doing well. As far as special interests go, that's the problem we have right now. The rich and powerful are the ones who have the biggest voice. Honestly, we need a group of people that will aside politics or ideology and help work out this mess. Lawmakers could help, but they are in bed with the special interests, as well as the targets.
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 08:12 PM