Free Speech in Universities and Schools
Posted by Joe Rivett on 01.27.2010
My thoughts on the issues brought up from HBO's documentary: "Shouting Fire: Stories from the Edge of Free Speech"
Free speech and the First Amendment is a touchy situation because the courts have to draw a line, but we all have a different idea of where the line should be drawn. Oliver Wendell Holms once wrote about shouting fire in a crowded theater would be an overreach of free speech when he stated: "The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic." We can all agree that premeditated lies can cause someone to sue for liability and defamation of character. However, satire of public officials is acceptable as Jerry Falwell found out when he lost his court case to Larry Flynt despite the emotional distress Falwell claimed.
Last night I watched the free speech documentary on HBO entitled "Shouting Fire: Stories from the Edge of Free Speech." The first section of the documentary featured our old buddy Ward Churchill. Since 2005, I've been writing for 411 Politics and never once wrote about Mr. Churchill. Churchill wrote an op-ed essay after 9/11 where he wrote of American foreign policy abuses which may have been the cause of 9/11. In addition what got him the majority of the attention was his stance that the victims were not innocent. For 41 straight days the O'Reiley Factor reported on Churchill and conservative watchdog groups pressured the university to fire him. Since they couldn't fire him for writing an op-ed essay, after all it is his opinion; they came up with some charges of exaggeration and plagiarism and fired him. Of course had he never written the essay, he would never have been fired. In 2007 he sued the university and won.
What is unbelievable is that his take on 9/11 isn't that out of line. Ron Paul also blamed American Imperial Foreign Policy on 9/11 and he had a lot of support. On the question of whether or not the victims were innocent, one could argue that in a Democracy, the citizens are responsible for their government's actions since it is a government by the people. Where I disagree with Churchill is that some people who died may have opposed American intervention in other countries and some could have been immigrants that had nothing to do with foreign policy. When a Native American complains about the "white man" taking their land, I remind them that my family did not come to America until the 1920s and they weren't exactly welcomed here either. Nevertheless, he should not have been fired for stating his views just as I should not be fired for commenting on his views.
The other free speech abuse that caught my eye was the student that put tape on a shirt that stated: "Homosexuality is Shameful." He was ordered to remove the shirt because it could have caused a disruption to the other students learning. The student had Court precedent on his side when the Court in the Tinker decision allowed students to wear wristbands protesting the Vietnam War. There is a legitimate argument to be made that the First Amendment doesn't apply to schools. After all, a teacher can tell students to quiet down when the teacher is talking. However, a shirt is expression and it is no different than a student saying homosexuality is a sin during a classroom debate.
We need to protect our First Amendment rights no matter how offensive some speech can be; Nazis and gay bashers have a right to be heard as well as long as they do so peacefully. In the next couple days I will be commenting on the latest controversial 5-4 decision to allow corporations and unions more power to influence campaigns in the name of free speech. This is where I will draw the line in the sand.
I'm surprised this decision to give lobbies more power to influence politics has taken this long to make it up on the site.
Posted By: guest (Guest) on January 27, 2010 at 10:59 AM
Hooray for free speech. It's about time other corporations now have the legal right to do what GE and News Corp. can do through their media divisions. The law was struck down because it limited the speech of every corporation that didn't have a media arm. People are still free to sift through the information out there and decide for themselves. I would hope anybody working for an INTERNET WEBSITE would agree with that.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on January 27, 2010 at 01:21 PM
Does this even count as an article?
Posted By: Guest#5326 (Guest) on January 27, 2010 at 03:05 PM
Ward Churchill said when he saw the towers fall down he thought "right on" which makes him a asshole. Much like his defenders.
Posted By: Guest#0802 (Guest) on January 27, 2010 at 03:39 PM
I see the line in the sand..
Evolution is a mystery...
Something something...man they gotta use that theme again for something.
Posted By: Guest#6808 (Guest) on January 27, 2010 at 04:58 PM
what makes Ward Churchill despicable is not that fact that he claimed US foreign policy caused 9/11. If he had left it at that, then it's not that big a deal. He crossed a line when he said the people killed in the Towers were not innocent. How exactly were those people influencing the US government's foreign policy? They weren't, they were innocent business people just going about their day and lost their lives to the meglomania of a maniac using peaceful religous teachings to justify his own psychotic agenda.
It's funny that Bin Laden hates us now, but had no problems taking our money and weapons when he was helping the Mujahideen in Afghanistan back in the 1980's.
Posted By: dan (Guest) on January 27, 2010 at 05:12 PM
"Ward Churchill said when he saw the towers fall down he thought "right on" which makes him a asshole."
People have a right to be assholes.
Posted By: J.D. Dunn (Registered) on January 27, 2010 at 05:15 PM
Ward Churchill has every right to make any kind of sleazy comments he chooses.
BUT, his employers have EVERY RIGHT to can his sorry butt as well.
The First Amendment only states that Congress cannot censor us, "Congress shall make no law ..."
It says nothing about what the private sector can do to restrict speech, or more accurately not restrict speech but rather punish speech that is not acceptable to them... and they absolutley have every right to do so.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean speech without consequences.
Posted By: Japhe Ryder (Guest) on January 27, 2010 at 05:49 PM
Ward Churchill lol. Hasn't that kook been proven to be a liar and a fraud like ten times over? I figured even his goofball leftist supporters would have gotten off that bandwagon by now. Maybe move onto somebody slightly less fringe. You know, somebody like William Ayres *sigh*
The fact that these nuts exist isn't the problem. People believe all sorts of nonsense. The problem stems from the fact that somebody actually put them in respected positions. When you're young, you are taught to respect teachers. You're lead to believe that they are smart, wise people. Luckily, I'm not a brainwashed youth anymore. Now I see things for what they are. Those in higher learning circles have their own agenda to advance. They don't teach so much as they indoctrinate.
Had Churchill and Ayres just been two crazies running around the streets spouting their nonsense, nobody would have gave two shits about it.
Posted By: Guest#5804 (Guest) on January 27, 2010 at 07:15 PM
Gotta love the ideas that most people have about free speech. "You can have freedom of speech...as long as I agree with everything you say." Freedom of speech is a two way street. Kudos for this psuedo-article.
Posted By: MasterShake (Guest) on January 27, 2010 at 08:32 PM
the reason campaign finnace didn't work, is sure it did limit coprortions from putting large sums in, but the side-effect was the 527 groups that were formed on both sides of the ailse that basically poured in the money instead of large corparations, u know like the swiftboat group, like it or not mcain-feingold may have stopped large corpartions from putting the money in, but the 527 groups basically filled that void, plain and simple mccain-feingold didn't work, and if cngress tried to pass a new law it would be immediately challenged, as mccain-feingold was deemed unconstintual, so the new law would too.
as for churchhill, he was a fraud, he lied about his credentials, he didn't write his own essays and he was ajerk
Posted By: coby preimesberger (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 01:07 AM
Kids in school have no Constitutional Rights. They can't plead the 5th. They are not proteced from unreasonable search and seizures (schools can check students, cars and lockers at will). They have no right to free speech, or right to remain silent. Once they are in public they have limited rights that their community/state allow, but not in school.
Posted By: Jim (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 02:11 AM
They weren't, they were innocent business people just going about their day and lost their lives to the meglomania of a maniac using peaceful religous teachings to justify his own psychotic agenda.
Posted By: dan (Guest) on January 27, 2010 at 05:12 PM
Peaceful my ass. The only peaceful religion is jainism.
Posted By: Guest#6943 (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 01:45 PM