(Quasi) Live-Blogging the State of the Union
Posted by Robert Zimmer on 01.27.2010
Awkward honesty, humor color Obama’s feisty address to Congress.
8:00 – Flipping channels checking out the pre-speech coverage. On MSNBC, do you ever get the impression Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann don't like each other? Pelosi and Biden seem in good spirits; I wonder if they have discussed who will use the baseball bat on any Republican who shouts "You lie!"? On CNN, Wolf Blitzer seems to always be wishing he were somewhere other than at work, like wearing linen pants and sipping a cognac.
8:05 – CNN reporting that Obama's speech will contain a call for Congress to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and allow gay folks to serve openly in the military. This is like dropping raw meat in a tank full of socially conservative sharks. Will Republicans seek to exploit this wedge issue to their benefit (again)?
8:06 -- I know this is shallow, but the president's teeth look slightly less perfectly white than I recall. How much does anyone want to bet that Obama has been sneaking the occasional cigarette outside the Oval Office? I would!
8:08 – Obama looks confident, good body language. A friend texts to say "better b speech of his life – again," and I respond "great, if follow thru of his life ensues".
8:15 – Obama returns once again to a post-partisan stance, and comes out fully populist. As it should be, methinks. He's tied the present shithole to what got us in this mess, and in turn ties the campaign-era demand and promise of hope back to the here and now. "Change hasn't come fast enough" for many Americans, he acknowledges.
8:18 – "We all hated the bank bailout." – Republicans see the cameras panning across their side, and reluctantly applaud.
8:20 – Looks like the proposed fee on big banks to recover TARP money is a hit idea.
8:21 – I'm surprised how much fun Obama seems to be having in spite of the stakes. He gently made fun of himself and the Republicans when his litany of tax cuts didn't garner any GOP applause.
8:24 – Whoop, there it is: "I am calling for a new jobs bill TONIGHT."
8:26 – Now there's a great idea: Obama calls for $30 billion of the TARP money recovered from banks to go to small business loans given by local community banks. Eliminate capital gains tax to encourage investment in small businesses – that's a reach across the aisle.
8:32 – "I do not accept second place for the United States of America." Nothing like being reminded that the Chinese, Indians, and Germans aren't hanging around figuring out how to not drag their economies into the 21st century.
8:35 – Throws a bone to the Republicans with an acknowledgement that some additional offshore oil drilling and safe nuclear power will be an important part of comprehensive energy legislation. Of course, Obama proceeds to make fun of the Republicans for not believing climate change is real.
8:36 – This is the third or fourth time Obama has conspicuously thanked the House for passing a piece of important legislation that the Senate has failed to take across the finish line. He is not so subtly framing the Senate as the problem when it comes to stalling progress and endangering the republic.
8:39 – Not a peep yet about health care reform. Hmmm…
8:40 – The best program to lift people out of poverty is a "world-class education." Amen.
8:42 – Wow. An ambitious program to forgive student loan debt after twenty years, or ten years if a person works in public service -- and limit student loan payments to 10% of a person's income after living expenses are deducted. *Huge* deal for middle class and poor folks if this is enacted.
8:43 – Here it is – "We still need health insurance reform." Gets a standing ovation – from one side of the aisle. Obama goes for humor again, though. This accessible tack is working for him. Professor-in-chief stayed behind in the study tonight.
8:46 – Obama cites the least-known fact about the pending health care legislation: non-partisan CBO estimates that health care reform legislation would save up to $1 trillion over the next ten years.
8:47 – Well, here's the gauntlet thrown down on health care reform, maybe? "I will not walk away from these people, and neither should the people in this body."
8:48 – "If anyone has a better idea [on health care reform], let me know." Republicans applaud.
8:49 – "Let's get it done." Amen. Who cares if you have to use reconciliation?
8:50 – Obama cites an uncomfortable set of facts about the disastrous economic news of the Bush decade (without mentioning W.), yet also concedes his administration's effort to stave off economic disaster have added to the deficit too.
8:51 – Threatens to enforce future discipline on deficit by veto. Obama seems to have made a strong effort to not only seem forceful, but to assure he will act forcefully. We shall see.
8:52 – Announces desire to allow the Bush tax cuts for the rich to expire. What will they do, give up their beach houses?
8:54 – Announces he will bypass Congress with an executive order implementing budget deficit commission with a deadline for recommendations, and asks the Senate to restore "pay-as-you-go" budgeting.
8:55 – Third time he's zinged Republicans on bad economic policy, and the closest-to-an-open diss of Bush yet.
8:58 – Wow. Very awkward moment where he openly calls out the Supreme Court for their lousy recent decision allowing corporate donations to political campaign. They are mortified. Despite Obama's disclaimer, "With all due respect to separation of powers," Scalia's thought-bubble surely reads "Fuck you." Alito seems to have mouthed "absolutely not true" when Obama says the SCOTUS has opened the door to further moneyed influence in politics.
9:02 – Chides Democrats not to "run for the hills" when they hold majorities in Congress. Then calls out Republicans for being the party of "no."
9:04 – Wraps up call for renewed bipartisanship by noting all Americans can agree on a love of country and the necessity of a strong defense. At least nobody's questioning anyone's patriotism at the moment.
9:06 – Reminds Americans that the forgotten war – Iraq – is winding down. Another thing we can rejoice about regardless of political party.
9:09 – Another forgotten piece of progress, nuclear arms reduction treaty in progress with Russia. Warns "the Islamic Republic of Iran" (some Republic, yeah?) that they can't continue their misbehavior forever. Though I wonder how long this patience will last before the warnings go flaccid?
9:11 – Poor Haiti finally gets a shout-out. Good idea to appoint President Bush Jr. to relief effort with Clinton – he can make up for being asleep at the Katrina wheel.
9:13 – Obama discussing human rights abroad and how America must renew its promise for equal rights at home to have moral legitimacy. Pivots from this to calling for a repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell. But he doesn't dwell on the subject.
9:14 – Unflattering camera angle from behind Obama, showing Biden's bald head. The combover doesn't go all the way back, apparently.
9:18 – An aggressively populist posture is where Obama has positioned himself. He acknowledges that some people are wondering if there is really such thing as "change we can believe in," seems to take some responsibility.
9:20 – "We don't quit. I don't quit." Once again, terrific words from the president, but what action will follow? If Congress fails to deliver, though, Obama will be blamed because he has owned the outcome of this mess. It will be an interesting few weeks coming up on health care and jobs.
Obama seemed relaxed and ad-libbed on multiple occasions, if you compare the prepared text of his speech with what you saw tonight. He had Republicans applauding, begrudgingly, boxing them into a corner where, presumably, they will need to show that they too are interested in governing, not merely stopping the Democrats from governing. The dissatisfaction Americans feel in Obama is precisely the size of the gap between Obama's promises and what Congress has failed to accomplish. That gap has increased not because Obama's promises were inappropriate or unrealistic; it has increased because the Senate seems unable to pass any legislation at all. Obama was wise to put the spotlight on the Senate's inability to act, due in large part -- but not entirely -- to the Republicans' refusal to cooperate even on legislative goals all parties agree on.
P.S. I love the planted audience in the Republican TV response -- a black woman and an Asian man flanking the white governor of Virginia, Bob McDonnell. Smart visual planning, but the tokenism is obvious. At least they figured out that Bobby Jindal should never again be allowed to stand alone in front of a camera on national TV. McDonnell's audience laughs when he says the GOP wants to hear American people's ideas via Facebook and Twitter. Why is this funny?
9:38 -- Did McDonnell just suggest we should have tortured the Christmas Day Detroit bomber? Creepy. Otherwise, he seems very warm on television and his message is friendly -- much-needed, as the GOP image is of cranky old white men. Whoever planned McDonnell's address knows that.
First time I've heard Obama talk about nuclear power, which IS the answer. So kudos to him for that. The rest of it was no different than what we saw for 2 years on the campaign trail. Republicans have offered solutions on health care, they have been completely ignored and left out of the discussion by the enormous majorities that the democrats currently have. Instead, he closed the doors on the GOP for a year, ACTUALLY thinking that the American People were more like Robert Zimmer, despite poll after poll showing that this country is center-right.
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on January 27, 2010 at 11:02 PM
great job by the president tonight, hopefully the republication conservatives will wake up a bit now, remember it takes more than 1 year to fix something that someone screwed up for 8 years
Posted By: xtopnotchx (Guest) on January 27, 2010 at 11:15 PM
gwpbrian must have just arrived from Mars if he thinks the Repub. have been "kept out" of health care.On planet earth ignorance is not bliss sir.
Posted By: tinamarie (Guest) on January 27, 2010 at 11:27 PM
Blaming Bush for everything isn't going to get it done in November.
Posted By: Guest#3556 (Guest) on January 27, 2010 at 11:28 PM
First time I've heard Obama talk about nuclear power, which IS the answer. So kudos to him for that. The rest of it was no different than what we saw for 2 years on the campaign trail. Republicans have offered solutions on health care, they have been completely ignored and left out of the discussion by the enormous majorities that the democrats currently have. Instead, he closed the doors on the GOP for a year
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You actually believe that? Baaahahahaha, man, you myopic morons are fucking insane.
You're right that the country is mostly center-right... most of your country (like everywhere) is barely-educated. That lack of knowledge and the subsequent crappy life they're destined to live eventually leads them to habour grudges against the rest of mankind and anyone willing to take the paltry amount of money they earn out of their hands to help other people.
Then you have those who *do earn* money, that become selfish little pricks who don't the money they earn to be taken out of their pockets and used to help other people.
And in the minority lies those humane, sane and sensible citizens, who make up the left.
Shit dude, being of a *right-persuasion* isn't something to be proud of - it just highlights what a vile, greedy imbecile you are.
Git r dun!
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on January 27, 2010 at 11:45 PM
Who would have thought Zimmer was a Msnbc watcher?
Posted By: Guest#7629 (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 12:02 AM
First time I've heard Obama talk about nuclear power, which IS the answer. So kudos to him for that. The rest of it was no different than what we saw for 2 years on the campaign trail. Republicans have offered solutions on health care, they have been completely ignored and left out of the discussion by the enormous majorities that the democrats currently have. Instead, he closed the doors on the GOP for a year, ACTUALLY thinking that the American People were more like Robert Zimmer, despite poll after poll showing that this country is center-right.
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on January 27, 2010 at 11:02 PM
It can be center right but its time for him to do what he said in those 2 years I don't care if republicans were shut out when they did the same for the first 6 years of Bushs regime and we saw how they went and the center right changed its mind to put the left in power and we are still digging out of the mess bush created and of course in less then one year they went and panicked and changed their mind again. I hope for Obama to actually do what he said for once and not cave in because people throw fits at town hall meetings and make it impossible for anyone else to state their opinions.
Posted By: Guest#7863 (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 12:09 AM
let's see when obama took office the deficit was only running about 450 biliion, yet after his first year it was 1.4 trillion and will be 1.3 trillion next year, and the spending freeze he talks about won't happen until next year 2011, not this year, and oh yeah despite the freeze, this year under obama and the dems, spending went up 24 %, and oh yeah also remember it was the dems who blocked off-shore drilling as bush rescindinded the ban, but the first day he took office obama put it back in place, and gee didn't pelosi say she was going to reinstate pay-as-you-go in the house when she took over as house speaker, as far as the senate, it's going to be hard to reimplement pay-go, escpially since you're probably going to have a new majority leader as reid looks like a lame duck, and oh yeah didn't obmama promise, i will not pass a bill that has earmarks, yet the first bill that hit his desk was the now over 800 billion, porkulos bill, yeah i'll beleive many of these promises, when thy actually come to fruiton, as remember tarp is basically a slush fund, and hasn't been used once for what it was supposed to but to bailout banks, automakers, used for cash for clunkers, Look many of the stuff that obama promised, won't happen why, because you still have pelosi in the house, and in the senate the dems no longer have the filisbuster proof majority, and if the house tries to ram through the current senate bill through reconsilation in march or whenever, it will backfire, and dems will probably peel off and it will go down in flames
Posted By: coby preimesberger (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 12:57 AM
Yeah all of you still blaming Bush. Doesn't work when the current president is pretty much doing the exact same thing that Bush did.
tinamarie... on planet earth the republicans have been kept out, and the fact that the democrats had to make backroom deal after backroom deal with each other just to get the bill that the majority of the American people hate, passed proves it. Americans want healthcare reform, they just didn't want what the Democrats were trying to pass. In fact, they haven't liked any of the solutions that the Democrats have come up with. We all want to fix the system, but you don't change a dirty diaper with another dirty diaper.
chungles, resorting to namecalling I see... I'm so shocked. And yes, our country is the most charitable country in the world, but lucky for us it's those few on the left that are making all of the donations. Lucky for all of those people in Haiti that the small minority of people who identify themselves as liberal opened up their pocketbooks (as one example among hundreds) Oh wait... that makes NO SENSE at all, but nice try though. And please stop confusing charity and helping out those in need with tax and spending.
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 01:11 AM
Obama has the OMB, CEA, CRS, CBO, Department of Treasury, House Budget Committees, Senate Budget Committees, House Ways & Means, Senate Finance, House Authorizations, House Appropriations, Senate Appropriations, Senate Authorizations and the Federal Reserve yet he requires a "commission" to help him manage the public's finance.
The dissatisfaction Americans feel in Obama is precisely the size of the gap between Obama's agenda and the global policy preference of the American public.
"REPPOORRRRRTING for DUUUUUTYYY"
Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 01:31 AM
“2 years I don't care if republicans were shut out when they did the same for the first 6 years of Bushs regime and we saw how they went and the center right”
Let me guess, MSNBC watcher? If you actually watched CSPAN during the patriot act legislations you’d see that there were several debates and things were put in and brought in as the situation tends to be. But keep believing that Democrats had absolutely nothing to do with anything.
Posted By: BKS (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 01:53 AM
Still drinking the Kool-Aide huh?
A look at some of his claims and how they compare with the facts:
OBAMA: "Starting in 2011, we are prepared to freeze government spending for three years. Spending related to our national security, Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security will not be affected. But all other discretionary government programs will. Like any cash-strapped family, we will work within a budget to invest in what we need and sacrifice what we don't."
THE FACTS: The anticipated savings from this proposal would amount to less than one percent of the deficit — and that's if the president can persuade Congress to go along.
Obama is a convert to the cause of broad spending freezes. In the presidential campaign, he criticized Republican opponent John McCain for suggesting one. "The problem with a spending freeze is you're using a hatchet where you need a scalpel," he said a month before the election. Now, Obama wants domestic spending held steady in most areas where the government can control year to year costs. The proposal is similar to McCain's.
OBAMA: "I've called for a bipartisan fiscal commission, modeled on a proposal by Republican Judd Gregg and Democrat Kent Conrad. This can't be one of those Washington gimmicks that lets us pretend we solved a problem. The commission will have to provide a specific set of solutions by a certain deadline. Yesterday, the Senate blocked a bill that would have created this commission. So I will issue an executive order that will allow us to go forward, because I refuse to pass this problem on to another generation of Americans."
THE FACTS: Any commission that Obama creates would be a weak substitute for what he really wanted — a commission created by Congress that could force lawmakers to consider unpopular remedies to reduce the debt, including curbing politically sensitive entitlements like Social Security and Medicare. That idea crashed in the Senate this week, defeated by equal numbers of Democrats and Republicans. Any commission set up by Obama alone would lack authority to force its recommendations before Congress, and would stand almost no chance of success.
He is a master of lies, deception and doubletalk. Everyone fell for his promises and now he is President. Nothing has happened, America is pissed and he comes out talks smooth, pokes fun at himself and makes more empty suit promises. You guys are smarter than this. Nothing is going to happen. He will be a lame duck.
Posted By: Jim (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 02:53 AM
More fact checking...
OBAMA: Discussing his health care initiative, he said: "Our approach would preserve the right of Americans who have insurance to keep their doctor and their plan."
THE FACTS: The Democratic legislation now hanging in limbo on Capitol Hill aims to keep people with employer-sponsored coverage — the majority of Americans under age 65 — in the plans they already have. But Obama can't guarantee people won't see higher rates or fewer benefits in their existing plans. Because of elements such as new taxes on insurance companies, insurers could change what they offer or how much it costs. Moreover, Democrats have proposed a series of changes to the Medicare program for people 65 and older that would certainly pinch benefits enjoyed by some seniors. The Congressional Budget Office has predicted cuts for those enrolled in private Medicare Advantage plans.
OBAMA: The president issued a populist broadside against lobbyists, saying they have "outsized influence" over the government. He said his administration has "excluded lobbyists from policymaking jobs." He also said it's time to "require lobbyists to disclose each contact they make on behalf of a client with my administration or Congress" and "to put strict limits on the contributions that lobbyists give to candidates for federal office."
THE FACTS: Obama has limited the hiring of lobbyists for administration jobs, but the ban isn't absolute; seven waivers from the ban have been granted to White House officials alone. Getting lobbyists to report every contact they make with the federal government would be difficult at best; Congress would have to change the law, and that's unlikely to happen. And lobbyists already are subject to strict limits on political giving. Just like every other American, they're limited to giving $2,400 per election to federal candidates, with an overall ceiling of $115,500 every two years.
Posted By: Jim (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 02:55 AM
OBAMA: He called for action by the White House and Congress "to do our work openly, and to give our people the government they deserve."
THE FACTS: Obama skipped past a broken promise from his campaign — to have the negotiations for health care legislation broadcast on C-SPAN "so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies." Instead, Democrats in the White House and Congress have conducted the usual private negotiations, making multibillion-dollar deals with hospitals, pharmaceutical companies and other stakeholders behind closed doors. Nor has Obama lived up consistently to his pledge to ensure that legislation is posted online for five days before it's acted upon.
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OBAMA: "We will continue to go through the budget line by line to eliminate programs that we can't afford and don't work. We've already identified $20 billion in savings for next year."
THE FACTS: Identifying savings is far from achieving them. Congress routinely rejects many of a president's suggested spending cuts. The administration estimates 60 percent of the cuts sought by Obama last year went into effect.
OBAMA: Drawing on classified information, he claimed more success than his predecessor at killing terrorists: "And in the last year, hundreds of al-Qaida's fighters and affiliates, including many senior leaders, have been captured or killed — far more than in 2008."
THE FACTS: It is an impossible claim to verify. Neither the Bush nor the Obama administration has published enemy body counts, particularly those targeted by armed drones in the Pakistan-Afghan border region. The pace of drone attacks has increased dramatically in the last 18 months, according to congressional officials briefed on the secret program.
Posted By: Jim (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 02:58 AM
"Announces desire to allow the Bush tax cuts for the rich to expire. What will they do, give up their beach houses?"
Maybe lay a few people off, or decide not to take the risk of expanding their business. Your class warfare and wealth envy are laughable.
Posted By: Grumpy (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 06:17 AM
I need not say anything more then "Look at the AP fact checks." Enjoy the Kool-Aid.
Posted By: Chris (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 07:50 AM
Jim, that's maybe the worst example of 'fact checking/countering' I've ever witnessed.
Obama says something.
You reply, effectively, 'Yeah, but...'
Seriously dude, unless you've got something as clean-cut as...
'Dude has WMDs'
'No he doesn't.'
...then don't bother turning up. What a waste of a read. I thought you were going to slam him and show him for the lying, Socialist scumbag you people say he is - but nah, just a bunch of points that don't offer anywhere near damning facts to counter his remarks.
GWPBrian, when I talked of 'helping people out' I wasn't referring to charity but to tax - the concept that the monthly contributions from all working citizens goes towards the greater good (education, health, infrastructure etc.) of the nation. Unfortunately those are benefactors you kind of people seem to deem unworthy of your hard-earned, derrrrtaaaakingurrrrjuuubbbbs money - 'Naw, I want to spend more on the military, that's 'merican!!!'
But yes, you're right, when the celebrities are out in force, Americans can be incredibly charitable, regardless of political persuasion.
But we know which side are moaning/begrudging having to do so, don't we? Don't we?
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 10:43 AM
Chungles
Ummm... you do realize that the list Jim provided is not his own but was posted by the Associated Press, don't you??? Some of his commentary not noted next to the "facts" portion is his own, but I downloaded the same list from the AP via Yahoo's News site. Sorry if you can't handle the independent truth bro.
Posted By: Chris (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 11:30 AM
Chungles
Ummm... you do realize that the list Jim provided is not his own but was posted by the Associated Press, don't you??? Some of his commentary not noted next to the "facts" portion is his own, but I downloaded the same list from the AP via Yahoo's News site. Sorry if you can't handle the independent truth bro.
Posted By: Chris (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 11:30 AM
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My delivery goat failed to show up with the latest press releases, unfortunately.
My point still remains, none of it *directly* counters or disproves his remarks or claims.
Obama says he'll freeze spending. 'The Facts' merely point out the percentage that freeze will represent. He mentions they've identified $20billion in savings, 'The Facts' simply points out that identifying isn't the same as implementing - he didn't say it was. Claiming that, from "classified information", they've captured or killed more enemy combatants than last year, 'The Facts' responds that the claim can't be verified by them - well, duh, that's what the "classified information" part kinda means.
Presenting it as some kind of devastating blow to his promises, as Jim's 'kool-aid' comment seems to interpreted it, seems to have completely overlooked the fact that *none* of it is as damning as he wishes it to be.
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 12:06 PM
JIM!! I told you not get on the computer and be an idiot! Go to your room and don't come out until you have a clue!
Posted By: Jim's Dad (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 12:25 PM
The AP is independent truth? Ha ha ha ha ha!!!
Posted By: GaryML (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 12:25 PM
GWPBrian and Jim prove Chungles wrong and, as usual, the Euro trash pole smoking Carlito hair braiding socialist asshole can't admit it.
Face it Chungles, you are easily the biggest dick ever in the history of the internet. Now run along and start with everyone who doesn't think like me is stupid nonsense you throw out.
Here I will do it for you........
Chungles" republicans and fox are evil, all conservatives are stupid,stupid.....stupid. I am smart, you are stupid. I am chungles"
Your lame and no one cares what you think of our country. Go fuck yourself.
Posted By: Guest#3538 (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 04:35 PM
Vile, greedy, imbecile huh Chumgles? Just becuase someone has conservative principles does not mean they are anymore or less intelligent than you. Your elitist attitude is repulsive.Frankly, you come accross like a Keith Olberrman.
By the way, how intelligent were those left wing Obama supporters who said that they wouldn't have to worry about puting gas in their car or paying the mortgage anymore? How did that work out?
Posted By: Guest#8981 (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 06:39 PM
As a Canadian it was interesting - - I switched back and forth between BBC and CNN. On CNN the sound for Obama was muffled, low and lacking crispness. On BBC the sound was crisp and normal (ie: not just my TV). Weird because for the Republican Response - - the sound was normal volume and crisp. I don' go out looking for these things ... I just notice them. But I would say there was manipulation by some of the media, against Obama.
Posted By: Fred (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 07:00 PM
as far as the quote he made about the supreme court decsion, the first part of it was true, however the 2nd part was absolutely postively false. Obama claimed that foriegn companies or subsidaries would be allowed to donate money to politicans,this shows that zimm was just quasi blogging, and didn't post the whole quote about what obama said, as if zimm even looked this up, he would know the 2nd part of the statement obama made is false. Under current campaign finance law, foriegn companies are prohibited from donaating money and it is a crime to do it.
Plus as for healthcare, constitionly, the federal government can't do federal health care, as healthcare is a state's right's issue
Posted By: Coby preimesberger (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 09:14 PM
Vile, greedy, imbecile huh Chumgles? Just becuase someone has conservative principles does not mean they are anymore or less intelligent than you. Your elitist attitude is repulsive.Frankly, you come accross like a Keith Olberrman.
By the way, how intelligent were those left wing Obama supporters who said that they wouldn't have to worry about puting gas in their car or paying the mortgage anymore? How did that work out?
Posted By: Guest#8981 (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 06:39 PM
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You've blown my mind, dude. Here was me thinking those people were imbeciles too, but apparently my support of Obama's Presidency and aspirations mean I should hold those morons in the same high esteem...
Your Conservative principles automatically mean you're inclined towards selfishness, a trait that, when extrapolated to macro politics, lends itself quite comfortably to vile, imebecility.
I must say I admire your balls as a Conservative to attack others as 'elitist'. A sense of irony is obviously as sparse among Conservatives as minorities.
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on January 29, 2010 at 04:20 AM
“Your Conservative principles automatically mean you're inclined towards selfishness, a trait that, when extrapolated to macro politics, lends itself quite comfortably to vile, imebecility.”
Yes, that has to be it. Even though conservatives, on average, donate more, they are more selfish because they don’t want a bureaucrat taking their money and doing whatever they want to do with it. Liberals, on the other hand, who on average make 30,000$ more a year, donate less, but because they know better, they are more charitable because they demand to take people’s hard earn money and do whatever they see fit. Those people who volunteer at soup kitchens? Selfish pricks! Those English majors discussing how much better America would be if there were no conservatives alive while drinking at Starbucks? Charitable SOBs.
“I must say I admire your balls as a Conservative to attack others as 'elitist'. A sense of irony is obviously as sparse among Conservatives as minorities.
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on January 29, 2010 at 04:20 AM”
The reason you’re called an elitist is because your main argument falls on the lines of “everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot for no other reason than because they disagree with me.” Calling someone a Nazi as you did on the other subject shows your majority level and the fact that you, much like several lefties, has to resort to never addressing the issues and instead talking about how much smarter you think you are than us who disagree with you.
Posted By: BKS (Guest) on January 29, 2010 at 03:40 PM
So THESE people are the one's who watch MSNBC...no wonder their ratings suck. Chungles go fuck youself, and I mean this from every part of the site you "comment" on.
Posted By: Guest#9286 (Guest) on January 29, 2010 at 04:45 PM
The reason you’re called an elitist is because your main argument falls on the lines of “everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot for no other reason than because they disagree with me.” Calling someone a Nazi as you did on the other subject shows your majority level and the fact that you, much like several lefties, has to resort to never addressing the issues and instead talking about how much smarter you think you are than us who disagree with you.
Posted By: BKS (Guest) on January 29, 2010 at 03:40 PM
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'Has to resort to never addressing the issues'?
I'll keep this concise to save you doing *exactly* what you're accusing me of, and just ask you:
Please show me where I called the guy a 'Nazi'. Please quote me directly and show me calling the guy a 'Nazi'.
Thanks.
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on January 29, 2010 at 06:31 PM
Chungles, once again I do appreciate the personal attacks. It made your point that much better.
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on January 29, 2010 at 08:58 PM
STAY CURRENT