Is It Ethical for Drug Companies to Pay Off Doctors?
Posted by Enrique on 03.17.2010
Appearance of impropriety
In the late 90's, the Food and Drug Administration issued a rule change that made it legal for pharmaceutical companies to advertise their products on television. And so began the Era of Amusing Disclaimers, where 75% of the typical prescription drug ad is devoted to telling us not to buy it. For the rest of my life I'll be haunted by the idea of having a four-hour erection, and having to explain to the hospital ER personnel I'm actually not happy to see them. *rimshot*
Traditional advertising is just one method Big Pharma employs when marketing its products. Sometimes drug companies pay doctors directly to endorse their wonder-pills. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Or is there?
The story so far…
Earlier this week, my hometown newspaper ran a lengthy feature story with the lengthy headline "As universities tighten ethics policies, drug firms turn to private physicians to promote products." It's actually quite an impressive piece of work by reporter John Fauber, and deserves a lengthy excerpt:
When looking for a doctor to travel the country and tout its costly prescription fish oil pill, GlaxoSmithKline didn't select a heavyweight university researcher.
Instead, it wrote checks to Tara Dall, a Delafield primary-care doctor who entered private practice in 2001.
For just three months of speaking engagements last year, GlaxoSmithKline paid Dall $45,000, ranking her among the most highly paid of more than 3,600 doctors nationwide who spoke for the company, which released records for only one quarter of the year. […]
For years, drug companies sought out influential university doctors with impressive credentials to bring their message to other doctors and persuade them to write prescriptions for their products.
But companies have been forced to back away from that approach as a growing number of medical schools, including the University of Wisconsin-Madison, have developed conflict-of-interest policies that ban such talks.
So much money is at stake that in January one academic doctor resigned his job at Harvard rather than give up his speaking income.
The problem: While medical schools can restrict biased speaking and require doctors to fully inform patients of their ties to drug companies, there are no such restrictions or requirements on private doctors.
The story also notes Big Pharma is only now revealing its endorsement deals with doctors under threat of regulation by U.S. Senator Herb Kohl, who has introduced a bill that would compel such disclosures. Apparently, some doctors are inconsistent about telling their patients they have side jobs as drug company shills. On its face, this appears to be an example of government intervention that achieved a positive outcome. Bloody hell, that can't be right…
I do recall a few years ago I saw a dermatologist for a regrettable fungal affliction I had at the time (but I'm feeling much better now). He prescribed a drug for me, and I must admit it didn't occur to me to ask if he had any financial connection to the manufacturer of the drug. I'll have to keep that in mind next time I seek healthcare services, but if it happens my doctor conveniently forgot to tell me he earns thousands of dollars a year endorsing the drug he prescribed for me, I'd be none the wiser. Of course, I wouldn't have much reason to complain either, since the drug cleared my fungal problem right up. Now my toenails are fabulous, I assure you.
As far as I'm aware, many private businesses have conflict of interest policies published in their employee handbooks. (I would guess those policies are substantively the same as University of Wisconsin's.) Fauber's article says the number of medical doctors on drug company payrolls may be over 10,000. Even if we assume every single one of them don't properly disclose conflicts of interest to patients, that would be less than 2% of the physician workforce (according to government data, anyway). It doesn't seem to be much of a problem. Still, I should note if one were to argue the Kohl bill represents a rare case of government interference with non-disastrous consequences, one might have a point. You're welcome.
I think most of us would agree professionals should disclose conflicts of interest to their clients. And I expect the vast majority of professionals would offer such disclosures voluntarily as a matter of customer service. Patients won't see a doctor they can't trust, so it's in the doctor's best interest to operate ethically. When consumers have many options to choose from, markets punish unethical behavior (unlike governments, which reward unethical and/or irresponsible behavior with bailouts). Other than the conflict of interest question, I don't see anything wrong with doctors being contracted by drug companies. I'm a big supporter of an individual's right to pursue the highest salary/compensation/income he or she is capable of earning.
Another concern raised in Fauber's article is doctors speaking on behalf of drug companies "can be biased and contribute to spiraling health care costs by promoting the use of expensive brand-name drugs over generics." Insured patients are likely to choose brand-name drugs, because a third-party is paying the majority, if not the entirety, of the cost. And the difference in cost is considerable. GlaxoSmithKline's fish oil pill runs a couple thousand dollars, while generics only cost a few hundred. But if we're concerned about the exorbitant cost of prescription drugs, we would be best served by reforming the FDA drug approval process.
On a recent episode of his Fox Business Network show, libertarian heartthrob John Stossel pointed out the FDA red tape for new drugs and surgical implants can cost tens of millions of dollars and take more than a decade. Those costs are naturally passed on to consumers. In view of this hulking government bureaucracy that creates massive expenses, Stossel asked, why not make the FDA process voluntary? So-called dietary supplements aren't subject to FDA approval, and many are marketed with the disclaimer "these statements have not been approved by the FDA." Why not apply the same standard to pharmaceuticals?
If adults prefer the expensive FDA-approved drugs, they can have them. Other adults may choose differently. On Stossel's show, his audience expressed concern that the average layperson isn't capable of informing him/herself about pharmaceuticals. That's nonsense. Anyone considering a major purchase – whether it be an automobile, a house, or a life-altering drug – is going to thoroughly investigate their options. Those of us who have bought a car or house understand that. It would be the same for drugs, if the FDA process were voluntary. Just as private firms Edmunds and Carfax provide assistance to car buyers, resources for pharmaceutical consumers would enter the market. The only reason they don't exist now is the FDA holds a QA monopoly.
In the meantime, drug companies that are subject to intrusive regulation by the FDA and other government agencies will have to find creative ways to inform the public about their allegedly fine products. If we're squeamish about Big Pharma paying off doctors, we should first address the root causes at the FDA.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to send John Fauber a fruit basket…
Without the FDA, Crystal Meth, Cocaine and Heroin would all be legal.
While the idea that there would be privatised regulatory associations, I'm afraid of the possibility of them being bought just as easily as our government has been, with fewer repercussions for their seedy actions. While it would be fine so long as drug companies were legally barred from contacting or paying these associations any fees whatsoever, that wouldn't be profitable now would it?
The FDA works. If it takes 10 years to get a drug on the market it takes 10 years to get a drug on the market. Big friggin' deal. Some miracle drug may mean saving some lives, but it doesn't seem worth it to turn the entire American public into test subjects... which would result in even more. Cause if going through the FDA is too costly and it's voluntary nobody will do it.
And yes, the FDA is not infallible. We see things getting through all the time... with happy little adverts from our local lawyers saying we can sue these drug companies for giving us formerly FDA-approved drugs that caused us some permanent damage.
So no, the FDA isn't perfect.
And how would this affect food? Is the FDA only voluntary for drug companies? I'm not really looking forward to questioning how tainted with insecticide my vegetables are and how well that'll mix with the non-FDA-approved drugs I'll be forced into taking because I'm poor.
Choice... yeah, there's always a choice. Turning us all into test subjects like in the early 1900s hardly seems like a good route to go down, however.
Posted By: loony (Guest) on March 17, 2010 at 10:45 PM
Without the FDA, Crystal Meth, Cocaine and Heroin would all be legal.
Posted By: loony (Guest) on March 17, 2010 at 10:45 PM
=====> 100% False, but thanks for playing.
Posted By: Eric (Guest) on March 18, 2010 at 05:52 AM
'Without the FDA, Crystal Meth, Cocaine and Heroin would all be legal.'
And without the government telling people that these things are bad, there would have never, I repeat, never been a problem with any of them...
Case in point: Look at the percentage of alcoholics in the country before prohibition and after.
Posted By: Holy Smokes (Guest) on March 18, 2010 at 06:05 AM
How in the world did we go from doctors should inform patients of drug company ties to F' the FDA?
Posted By: YAK MAN (Guest) on March 18, 2010 at 10:12 AM
"Without the FDA, Crystal Meth, Cocaine and Heroin would all be legal."
You're a moron.
Posted By: Guest#6475 (Guest) on March 18, 2010 at 10:53 AM
And without the government telling people that these things are bad, there would have never, I repeat, never been a problem with any of them...
Guns are legal to own and yet people are still murdered with them...what is your point??
Yes the big bad government is SOOOO influential they can make people, who otherwise would never do drugs, do druge JUST because they say its bad for them.
Apparently everyone in the country is a mindless 2 year old.
Posted By: jess (Guest) on March 18, 2010 at 10:56 AM
We don't need to regulate anything. The drug companies should be free to spend their money in any way they see fit-- it's their money after all. And won't an industry that wants to keep their client base regulate themselves? Aren't we all decent people, not greedy hand rubbers looking to make a buck?
Sure, deregulating hurts the lower economic brackets but do we really care about people who sit on their butts all day and don't work? Obviously if they were REALLY working they would be bringing home more than 100k per year like honest to goodness hardworking citizens.
I say--- deregulate the beef industry, deregulate the insurance agency, deregulate banking and while we're at it can we stop the socialism that's rampant in this country?
Look-- why should my tax dollars have to pay a fire department if YOUR house burns down? Why should I pay taxes to the police to stop YOUR house from being burglarized?
Oh wait, everything I just said is the OPPOSITE of true.
Posted By: Madcapunlimited (Guest) on March 18, 2010 at 11:04 AM
We don't need to regulate anything. The drug companies should be free to spend their money in any way they see fit-- it's their money after all. And won't an industry that wants to keep their client base regulate themselves? Aren't we all decent people, not greedy hand rubbers looking to make a buck?
Sure, deregulating hurts the lower economic brackets but do we really care about people who sit on their butts all day and don't work? Obviously if they were REALLY working they would be bringing home more than 100k per year like honest to goodness hardworking citizens.
I say--- deregulate the beef industry, deregulate the insurance agency, deregulate banking and while we're at it can we stop the socialism that's rampant in this country?
Look-- why should my tax dollars have to pay a fire department if YOUR house burns down? Why should I pay taxes to the police to stop YOUR house from being burglarized?
Oh wait, everything I just said is the OPPOSITE of true.
Posted By: Madcapunlimited (Guest) on March 18, 2010 at 11:04 AM
THAT. WAS. AWESOME.
Many (usually on the right) like to pretend that regulation is evil and destroying this country. Without regulation we would be eating tainted beef, taking untested drugs without being told the possible side effects, and teachers, doctors, lawyers, and anyone else would be able to practice without anyone ever verifying that they are in any way qualified.
I'm not advocating over-regulation, but we just spent ten years or so with an almost COMPLETELY unregulated economic system, and if we learned anything, it's that people DO NOT act in the best interests of the whole if they aren't made to. Corporations will lie, cheat, and steal to profit for themselves, even if it screws over everyone else.
In fact, it's considered better if they screw over everyone else.
Do you really trust a pharmaceutical company to spend millions testing a drug if they don't have to? We trusted banks not to loan money to people who couldn't afford it and look how that turned out.
Posted By: General Sandoval (Guest) on March 18, 2010 at 01:34 PM
"On Stossel's show, his audience expressed concern that the average layperson isn't capable of informing him/herself about pharmaceuticals. That's nonsense. Anyone considering a major purchase – whether it be an automobile, a house, or a life-altering drug – is going to thoroughly investigate their options. Those of us who have bought a car or house understand that. It would be the same for drugs, if the FDA process were voluntary. Just as private firms Edmunds and Carfax provide assistance to car buyers, resources for pharmaceutical consumers would enter the market. The only reason they don't exist now is the FDA holds a QA monopoly."
So wait, we pay a Dr a fee to prescribe us a cure, but you think we are better off just researching it ourselves? Yeah Google is way better than an MD. I'm not saying Dr.'s get it right every-time, but if we decide self research is better then maybe we should have self surgeries too. In fact I'm going to open an ER in my back yard.
Point 2 The reason we have the FDA is because private firms fail, see Free credit report and Lifelock. Because they are financially motivated they can be bought out even faster than the FDA. Who would police these private firms? It would have to be an organization like...wait what is that one..oh yeah the FDA.
To the point of the article, no, Dr.s should not be allowed to take money from drug companies. However, the solutions here are much worse than the problem.
Posted By: E Fails again (Guest) on March 18, 2010 at 02:01 PM
Oh surprise, a Libertarian wanting to give Big Business MORE power by eliminating a mandatory process that makes sure their product is safe to consume.
Libertarians are as delusional as the Teabaggers. They think that some magical happyland society will spring up if we just stop the government from helping people and we let big business do as they please.
Look at the underhanded illegal shit big business does now. Libertarians want to remove the laws that stop them from doing even more. Does that sound like a good idea to anyone?
Posted By: Scott B (Guest) on March 18, 2010 at 03:50 PM
To answer the question posed in short, no.
I am on a rather new medication for epilepsy. I'm fairly sure this medicine would not have been available to me were it not for GlaxoSmithKline paying to have it suggested and used. The medication is expensive as Hell, and the side effects are bad, ranging from blurry vision to vertigo. Granted, I'm happy with the medication because it works better than the other 7 I've been on to help keep my seirues under control.
The issue, however, is ethics, and the tactic is not ethical. And whether or not my medication works is not. So, before anyone even attempts to call me out on my post, please pay attention to my point of the ethics, not the results of their practices. I only mentioned my case as an example.
Posted By: CMatt666 (Guest) on March 18, 2010 at 06:11 PM
Drug companies already pay off politicians so why not doctors too?
Posted By: Meh (Guest) on March 18, 2010 at 10:09 PM
Scott B-- I too am a libertarian. Libertarian by definition means "Socially Liberal" and "Financially Conservative", however we don't all choose to interpret that in the same way.
Posted By: Madcapunlimited (Guest) on March 19, 2010 at 03:07 PM
I'm a third year medical student in Chicago and admittedly strong opinions about this subject but it's always interesting hearing an outside opinion on the topic. So, I thank you for that.
However, I believe you may have simplified the situation a bit. I have not heard much about the issue of physicians being on the big pharma payroll, but what I personally am opposed to is pharmaceutical representatives attempting to sell their products to healthcare professionals. Pharma has a lot of influence with these representatives forming personal relationships with physicians and providing things like free meals and memorabilia with their labels plastered all over them.
In an industry like pharmaceuticals (indirectly) and health care (directly) the livelihood of the consumers are at stake. I personally believe this should be the first priority as opposed to making a buck. Physicians should not prescribe medications to their patients based on who is paying them or who gave them a free pen or who took them out to a meal the previous night. They should act in a patient-centric manner - isn't that how you want to be treated? Don't you want the most effective drug for the cheapest price possible?
At the risk of revealing my liberal mark more dramatically, I feel it was a mistake to allow pharmaceutical industries to market their products the way they do through commercials and other multimedia advertisements. While patients are fully capable of self-educating themselves, in most cases, there is a limitation to this. Medications are far more complicated than just a list of side effects and prescriptions need to be tailored to the individual patient's medical history and preferences. However, when it comes to understanding the mechanism of action, pharmacokinetics, therapeutic uses, contraindications, and efficacy of these drugs the patient should probably trust the doctor. However, that's not to say the doctor should dictate treatment regimens. Patient's should be involved in the decision making process of choosing between therapy options based on the education of risks and benefits of each choice from doctors - not which brand name you've heard the most on television. Because if you think that TV ads for various medications is somehow educating the general populous, you are severely mistaken.
Bottom line - I think incentives are a little messed up. Big Pharma should attempt to make more money by producing new, better drugs. If they are able to do this, honest doctors will be more likely to prescribe these more effective medications and everybody wins. Big Pharma should not be making more money just because they can advertise their medications better.
Posted By: Molt (Guest) on March 19, 2010 at 07:13 PM
Look at the underhanded illegal shit big business does now. Libertarians want to remove the laws that stop them from doing even more. Does that sound like a good idea to anyone?
Posted By: Scott B (Guest) on March 18, 2010 at 03:50 PM
There you go again with your liberal Hollywood values trying to pretend like it's all Bush's fault while your idol HUSSEIN is racking up a trillion dollar debt so that he can have the guy that played Cliff's father on the Cosby Show play soft elevator jazz whenever HUSSEIN eats. It's all socialist garbage, is what it is! Well guess what, hippie, if you dont like the patriot act, maybe you should have voted NO instead of tokin up on DOPE like your IDOL!
Posted By: Nascar Billy (Guest) on March 19, 2010 at 07:19 PM
=====> 100% False, but thanks for playing.
Posted By: Eric (Guest) on March 18, 2010 at 05:52 AM
You're a moron.
Posted By: Guest#6475 (Guest) on March 18, 2010 at 10:53 AM
I love how people argue here, no valid arguments, just insults. You do have to realize, however, that it was early FDA regulations that led to the laws banning so many illegal substances. Oh, I suppose you don't look at it that way? You're too busy looking at the forest to see the trees that make it up? Whatever.
Posted By: loony (Guest) on March 19, 2010 at 10:02 PM
I love how people argue here, no valid arguments, just insults. You do have to realize, however, that it was early FDA regulations that led to the laws banning so many illegal substances. Oh, I suppose you don't look at it that way? You're too busy looking at the forest to see the trees that make it up? Whatever.
Posted By: loony (Guest) on March 19, 2010 at 10:02 PM
You better enjoy being able to say that, boy! Cause after the Texas school-board does away with that little "fact", no one is gunna believe you!
Posted By: Guest#4308 (Guest) on March 20, 2010 at 10:05 AM
You better enjoy being able to say that, boy! Cause after the Texas school-board does away with that little "fact", no one is gunna believe you!
Posted By: Guest#4308 (Guest) on March 20, 2010 at 10:05 AM
Way back in the late 1800s and early 1900s they had no way of regulating food, drugs, or insecticide. That's WHY the FDA was formed to begin with. When drugs became a problem they created regulation, starting with content labels, then warning labels about side-effects, then outright banning of substances like cocaine, heroin, opium, and crystal meth. The Food and Drug Act of 1906 that led to the creation of the FDA started the government's attempts at banning harmful substances. Sure one could argue that The Harrison Act of 1914 is where it all started, but that just isn't true. It was a culmination of problems leading up to The Harrison Act, which was problematic in and of itself.
Oh someone can argue about it not being officially the "Food And Drug Administration" until 1930, but that's just being an asshole.
Posted By: loony (Guest) on March 20, 2010 at 05:23 PM
Case in point: Look at the percentage of alcoholics in the country before prohibition and after.
Posted By: Holy Smokes (Guest) on March 18, 2010 at 06:05 AM
...because people kept exact records of those kinds of things back then. Most of what we have to go on is speculation because alcoholism has only gotten a intense recognition in the last 100 years.
Posted By: Guest#3073 (Guest) on March 20, 2010 at 09:55 PM
Case in point: Look at the percentage of alcoholics in the country before prohibition and after.
Posted By: Holy Smokes (Guest) on March 18, 2010 at 06:05 AM
...because people kept exact records of those kinds of things back then. Most of what we have to go on is speculation because alcoholism has only gotten a intense recognition in the last 100 years.
Posted By: Guest#3073 (Guest) on March 20, 2010 at 09:55 PM
Wait.. what? Wouldn't "intense recognition" be tantamount to fairly accurate record keeping? So which is it, speculation for a lack of evidence, or "intense recognition"?
Posted By: Guest#5040 (Guest) on March 21, 2010 at 03:27 AM
There is a HUGE difference between regulating the amount of rat feces somebody is unknowingly ingesting and trying to prohibit the willful consumption of drugs or alcohol. In one case you are protecting people of something companies wouldn't have chosen to inform them of otherwise. In the other you are "protecting" people from themselves.
The first one makes sense-- government SHOULD protect people from those things that they can't possibly be aware (tainted meat etc), what it shouldn't do is go out of its way to impede the non-harmful actions of an individual.
The FDA is a great concept and in some ways works very well. In other ways they are hopeless, however to me this seems the same as the healthcare bill:
There's a lot of crap in the healthcare bill I don't agree with. The education tax cuts (no, they are not just for medical training as you have been told-- READ THE BILL), or the special provisions to fund historically black colleges... BUT the other issues (preexisting conditions, rate hikes and insurance companies dropping people when they're sick) are all so bad that I'm willing to accept a little bit to get this other problem solved.
Posted By: Guest#6424 (Guest) on March 21, 2010 at 07:49 AM
"There is a HUGE difference between regulating the amount of rat feces somebody is unknowingly ingesting and trying to prohibit the willful consumption of drugs or alcohol. In one case you are protecting people of something companies wouldn't have chosen to inform them of otherwise. In the other you are "protecting" people from themselves."
I think I understand what you are saying, but I would have to argue that the FDA is protecting the people in similar ways in both cases. COX-2 enzyme inhibitors were pulled from the market because unknown to the individuals that used these drugs, these medications contribute significantly to an increased risk of deadly cardiovascular events. Don't you think problems like these should be regulated with drugs or were you referring to non-prescription/recreational drugs.
In the case of those types of illicit substances, I would say you have more of a point. However, I would still make the argument that many of the drugs have high addictive potential. I know this is a somewhat controversial idea, but addiction is a neurological disorder due to how the drugs work in the central nervous system. I think protecting people from this is perfectly acceptable.
Posted By: Molt (Guest) on March 21, 2010 at 02:11 PM