Federal Judge Blocks Embryonic Stem Cell Research Funding – First Time Government Spending Has Been Cut in History of Universe
Posted by Enrique on 08.25.2010
We’re born with pain
If you're like me – and who isn't now and again – you haven't thought much about the moral implications of embryonic stem cell research in some time. The issue of embryonic stem cell research is a relic of Pre-9/11 America, and like former California Congressman Gary Condit, it's quaint to think how it once captured our imagination. Then-President George W. Bush's decision to limit embryonic stem cell research seemed well-reasoned, thoughtful, and nuanced – even to those who disagreed with it. It was a heady time for the Republic.
This week, a federal judge granted a preliminary injunction that effectively blocks federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, and reverses an executive order by now-President Barack Obama. Well, that's an unexpected development, no?
The story so far…
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You can read Chief Judge Royce C. Lamberth's ruling in PDF format here. At 15 pages, it's not so bad. Much of it is concerned with interpreting the relevant federal law restricting funding of embryonic stem cell research, which happens to be called the Dickey-Wicker Amendment. What a delightful name. Sounds a bit like British slang for an impolite sex act. Excuse me while I type "Dickey-Wicker" into Google's image search and see if anything good comes up.
*insert Final Jeopardy theme*
Jackpot!
The shadow of the wicker man is rising up again
Apparently, the language of Dickey-Wicker clearly states that no federal funds can go toward research involving the destruction of a human embryo. In his ruling, Judge Lamberth (custom requires I note he was appointed by Ronald Reagan) declared for the record that stem cell research is harmful to an embryo's health, to wit (p.12):
If ESC [embryonic stem cell] research is research in which an embryo is destroyed, the [Obama administration] Guidelines, by funding ESC research, violate the Dickey-Wicker Amendment.
ESC research is clearly research in which an embryo is destroyed. To conduct ESC research, ESCs must be derived from an embryo. The process of deriving ESCs from an embryo results in the destruction of the embryo. Thus, ESC research necessarily depends upon the destruction of a human embryo.
Despite defendants' attempt to separate the derivation of ESCs from research on the ESCs, the two cannot be separated. Derivation of ESCs from an embryo is an integral step in conducting ESC research. Indeed, it is just one of many steps in the "systematic investigation" of stem cell research.
Regardless of the moral implications, it's now a matter of federal jurisprudence that embryonic stem cell research destroys embryos. While that may seem like a clumsily-worded statement of the obvious (ahem), it's always worthwhile to pause and reflect whenever the government expresses its view on the sanctity of life.
Any question regarding the beginning of human life is perplexing and loaded with uncertainty. Those of us who are pro-abortion certainly have a different perspective than those who are pro-life. Ultimately, there are a lot of heartfelt, deeply personal opinions surrounding these issues, which may be an indication we should give government as little regulatory authority as possible in such areas.
Still, the amount of authority the government should have will always be a vexing question. If you believe what you read in the papers, embryonic stem cell research may have better healing powers than Jesus. Some of our elected representatives seem to think so:
Democratic Senator Tom Harkin, who chairs the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, said he was calling a hearing for Thursday on the matter.
"This ruling should be appealed and I fully believe that it will be overturned. Embryonic stem cell research offers hope to millions of Americans who are suffering from debilitating and life-threatening diseases, and it must be allowed to proceed," Harkin said in a statement.
Who can put a price on hope? For that matter, who can adequately define hope? It's a notoriously subjective/flexible concept.
"I can put a price on hope - $1,000,000,000,000, suckas!"
I'm not an expert on embryonic stem cell research (one of the many things I'm not an expert on, despite having an opinion). I'd venture Sen. Harkin isn't much of an expert either. In fact, I get the impression supporters of embryonic stem cell research oversell the upsides just a bit. It's all very enchanting speculation, but it's speculation nonetheless.
Despite its as yet unfulfilled promises, I don't have any particular objection to embryonic stem cell research. My personal moral compass is not, perhaps, as generous as others' on the question of the value of human life at such an early stage. Many patriotic Americans think the destruction of an embryo is tantamount to murder, but that simply is not a view I share. With that in mind, generally speaking I don't expect I would support most government limitations on embryonic stem cell research.
But the question of funding is a-whole-nother issue. With America's preposterous debt, we should all be grateful for any proposed spending cuts, even those created by activist judges. Since private funding for embryonic stem cell research will continue, I have a hard time believing money spent by the feds is the make-or-break factor in the research bearing fruit.
Insofar as Judge Lamberth's ruling temporarily stops spending money on something that could just as easily be funded by the private sector, we might as well be grateful. There are so few opportunities to feel that way about the government – let's enjoy them when we can.
Nice Dead Embryonic Cells reference! Well done Sir.
Hey next time we go to war you should go with Vulgar Display of Power : )
Posted By: Mark Radulich (Registered) on August 25, 2010 at 11:01 PM
The assumption that the private sector will pick up the slack is unfounded, as the private sector is broke too. Public funding has also always made up a large part of stem cell research funding, mostly because there isn't enough funding coming from private sectors.
This hurts stem cell research, no question.
I'm not sure this'll even cut the budget deficit, as I'd imagine the budget to be given out in research grants was already set. I'd imagine the money will just go to some other research programme.
Posted By: Vordeo (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 12:12 AM
How can they block it when Obama gave the green light ?
Posted By: Guest#3416 (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 12:28 AM
They can block it because it is unconstitutional and immoral...
Much like his Presidency.
Posted By: Grant Muioc (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 12:57 AM
Yeah, fuck science and progress and all that wishy-washy smart people crap!
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 02:55 AM
Seriously Grant, please go fuck yourself. I don't care if you were in the service, I hate you. You and people like you are the reason that this country is on a downward slide. I really do try to be tolerant of others' views, and have several conservative friends and relatives. That said, you are not conservative. You are batshit insane. The world would be so much better off if Republicans could go back to being fiscally conservative and pragmatic, instead of the hyper religious zealots you are now. Stay the fuck out of my life, and quit trying to force your personal morality on others who don't share it. Neo-Conservatives and Evangelical Christians are the worst things to happen to the world since the black plague. Please die in a fire.
Posted By: Grant Is A Bastard (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 02:56 AM
"we should give government as little regulatory authority as possible in such areas."
That is generally how I feel. It is a personal matter between the father and the mother.
However I dont think that late abortions should be allowed (like 6+ months into the pregnancy). I also think that a big danger for no regulation could grow if kids keep having sex, getting pregnant, and then have abortions to fix their "little dilemma". The idea that there would be no responsibility for such immature choices is scary to me.
Posted By: AG Awesome (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 07:36 AM
Grant Muioc,
It's immoral to use the stem cells to try to cure diseases, but it's morally acceptable to throw them away? Because, you know (of course not, because you're a moron who doesn't actually do research), they throw these embryos away when they go unused.
The judge might be on solid legal ground here, but to be against attempting to help people by using what would otherwise be discarded material is akin to being against organ donation upon death.
Posted By: JD (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 08:52 AM
1st off, I have a degree in biology...
2nd off, adult stem cells are legal to use and are the only stem cells proven to work. Embryodic stem cells have never worked in a manner that most of you think...
Third, the only reason why Obama wants to do this shut us because he likes killing babies- look at his voting record- he loves it.
I love science more than anyone, but science, especially medicine has moral obligation to not turn our society into a bunch of ghouls waiting for babies to die so we can get a liver transplant or cure a genetic disease.
Maybe the judge overturned the ruling because Doctors were against the practice, especially since it has never worked and adult stem cells do?
Because that's what happened- and I'm glad you hate me because it's only going to get worse until November...
I'm going to be the most annoying, bigoted and divisive person ever because that's what liberalism has become...especially your President who is out eating lobster for the sixth time this year.
Posted By: Grant Muioc (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 09:12 AM
LOL Grant Is A Bastard, don't sugarcoat things, tell us how you really feel!
Posted By: Guest#2828 (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 10:01 AM
Isn't it amazing how every time a topic comes up Grant magically somehow has a degree in it? Its amazing that the dude was ever in the military cause it seems he went to university for everything, ever. Amazing when a dude who probably demands to see a birth certificate for Obama can pull "degrees" out of his ass whenever the smart people start talking about something he has no knowledge about.
Posted By: Lt. Commander Data (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 11:06 AM
What Grant means to say is that he's a filthy commie that wants the GOVERNMENT to decide what we can and can't research. It's just like a liberal to keep letting BIG GOVERNMENT interfere in our lives and attempts to progress.
Posted By: Boris (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 11:08 AM
Grant, there's so much wrong with your post that it's hilarious. I don't even know where to begin. But I've got three minutes to kill and you are a congenital retarded, so whatever, let's do this.
"1st off, I have a degree in biology..."
So you were in the army and you have a degree in biology too, huh? Do you also secretly pilot the Iron Man armor? You've got a degree in boloney, you goddamn internet professor.
"2nd off, adult stem cells are legal to use and are the only stem cells proven to work. Embryodic stem cells have never worked in a manner that most of you think..."
It's embryoNic, Mr. I-have-a-degree-in-biology, and try citing some fucking sources next time.
"Third, the only reason why Obama wants to do this shut us because he likes killing babies- look at his voting record- he loves it."
Not only that, I hear he also tied Nell Fenwick to the train tracks while twirling his moustache, shot Barbara Gordon in the spine and is torturing Superman with kryptonite as we speak. WHO SHALL VANQUISH THIS UNREPENTANT VILLAIN WHO DOES EVIL SIMPLY FOR EVIL'S SAKE? HE IS A MONSTER BECAUSE IT IS HIS NATURE! IS THERE NO ONE WHO CAN SAVE US!?
"I love science more than anyone"
You love Christian science more than anyone. The minute anyone says Adam and Eve didn't ride dinosaurs at the dawn of time four thousand years ago you fly off the fucking handle like the chimp you are.
"but science, especially medicine has moral obligation to not turn our society into a bunch of ghouls waiting for babies to die so we can get a liver transplant or cure a genetic disease."
Yes, heaven forbid we get any use out of the aborted embryos that are just going to be destroyed anyway. While we're at it, fuck both recycling and organ donors.
"Maybe the judge overturned the ruling because Doctors were against the practice, especially since it has never worked and adult stem cells do?"
I think if you actually accused a legitimate non-christ monkey doctor of being against stem cell research he'd probably backhand you. Hell, even some of the Christian ones. It's that promising. Also, no dipshit activist judge has EVER listened to anyone in the know regarding what he's about to do. It's always about what his 'conscience' i.e. his religion has told him to do. So much for separation of church and state. These dishonest fucks have raped America.
"Because that's what happened- and I'm glad you hate me because it's only going to get worse until November..."
Jeus because you've been a joy so far.
"I'm going to be the most annoying, bigoted and divisive person ever"
Oh so business as usual?
"because that's what liberalism has become,especially your President who is out eating lobster for the sixth time this year"
So about oncea month
Posted By: Vallejo (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 11:19 AM
**...especially your President who is out eating lobster for the sixth time this year.**
ok, seriously. What does that have to do with ANYHTING? Should he only eat KD and cat food because some people in American can't afford lobster that often?
you lost me on that one, sorry
Posted By: Huh? (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 11:29 AM
"because that's what liberalism has become,especially your President who is out eating lobster for the sixth time this year"
Because George HW Bush flying Texas BBQ to the White House was any different.
Posted By: DSJ (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 11:55 AM
If he was an officer in the military, he has to have a college degree. The military also pays and values education.
I am an officer in the Navy and I have an undergrad Biology degree, as well as a Law degree. I am planning on getting an MBA in the next several years as well.
That being said, I disagree with everything Grant wrote.
Posted By: Guest#6510 (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 12:01 PM
"How can they block it when Obama gave the green light ?
Posted By: Guest#3416 (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 12:28 AM"
To give a real answer: Checks and Balances. The Constitution has 3 branches of government that are supposed to actually be set up to oppose each other.
To "keep them honest" to turn a phrase. If it's worked or not is another discussion.
The Judicial Branch has the right to hear cases on Legislation and then determine if the Legislation is Constitutional.
If it's deemed unconstitutional for whatever reason it is no longer law.
The check on the Judicial Branch is that the President choices them, the Congress approves them, can form lower courts beneath them and can impeach them.
Posted By: DeimosMasque (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 12:03 PM
I'd like to see the government fund research to discover how Grant is so consistently able to get people in the comments section to take the bait.
Every time you guys react you're just perpetuating the belief that above all else liberals live to be offended. You all know roughly what he'll say but still mange to be shocked and appalled by it. I truly don't know how that's possible.
If a friend told you about a restaurant that serves awful food, but he went there once a week anyway and made it a point to gripe to you about the bad food every time, wouldn't you ask why he keeps going back?
If you don't like trolls then stop crossing the damn bridge.
Posted By: Jason Douglas (Registered) on August 26, 2010 at 12:04 PM
It's "pro-choice" not "pro-abortion"
You aren't handing out flyers encouraging abortion are you?
Posted By: M:-X (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 12:18 PM
I'm going to be the most annoying, bigoted and divisive person ever because that's what liberalism has become...especially your President who is out eating lobster for the sixth time this year.
Posted By: Grant Muioc (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 09:12 AM
Love that Grant...Trolls like no other. It's the 2 years of "liberalism" that has killed the country...not the 8 years of republican white house politics.
So you have a degree in Biology yet fought on the front line as a foot soldier in the middle east? Interesting isn't it? Not calling you a liar just saying...that is an odd combination don't ya think?
I have a degree in...Nuclear Physics...
But i recently got laid off from my job as a Wal-mart greater
But my minor is in Psychology and in my PROFESSIONAL opinion your a psycho!
Posted By: Musin Muhammod (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 12:26 PM
You guys do know that Grant's a liberal right? This is an old tactic that people have used for years.
They make themselves out to be so crazy that anyone reading it is forced to disagree. Grant acts like a loony right winger and thus drives everyone else further left.
Posted By: Grant is a Liberal (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 12:27 PM
I'm going to be the most annoying, bigoted and divisive person ever because that's what liberalism has become...especially your President who is out eating lobster for the sixth time this year.
Posted By: Grant Muioc (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 09:12 AM
What does that have to do with anything? I eat lobster once a week.
Posted By: Guest#7139 (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 01:42 PM
Jason Douglas calling Grant a troll for his views.
Pot, Kettle,......
Posted By: Guest#1601 (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 01:49 PM
Is it really beyond your tolerant progressive brains that a military man could be educated?
Assholes
Posted By: John (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 02:01 PM
You can't really blame the judge, Jesus probably told the judge to block stem cell research.
Posted By: Little Baby Jesus (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 02:25 PM
1st off, I have a degree in biology...
2nd off, adult stem cells are legal to use and are the only stem cells proven to work. Embryodic stem cells have never worked in a manner that most of you think...
Third, the only reason why Obama wants to do this shut us because he likes killing babies- look at his voting record- he loves it.
I love science more than anyone, but science, especially medicine has moral obligation to not turn our society into a bunch of ghouls waiting for babies to die so we can get a liver transplant or cure a genetic disease.
Maybe the judge overturned the ruling because Doctors were against the practice, especially since it has never worked and adult stem cells do?
Because that's what happened- and I'm glad you hate me because it's only going to get worse until November...
I'm going to be the most annoying, bigoted and divisive person ever because that's what liberalism has become...especially your President who is out eating lobster for the sixth time this year.
Posted By: Grant Muioc (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 09:12 AM
I wish someone had killed you when you were a baby. Sounds like you were at least dropped on your head a few times, or maybe your mother stuck a dildo in the soft spot in your head and turned it on 11.
Posted By: Nate (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 02:49 PM
Good call Jason, and although I don't always agree with him Jason at least has Civil discourse...and intelligent thoughts, or at least reasoning. Grant is just a troll, the only logical assumption is that he really is a liberal, because no one is that bat sh*t crazy.
Hey Enrique sometimes I hate you...seriously. Then you have amazing moments of not bad essays. This was a nice piece, good job. I'm sure I will hate you again soon, but after some horrible articles, and I mean from all angles, not just that I agree or disagree, you have stepped up your game again. Good job.
Here is my thing, you ever gonna jump in on the comments? All the other writers do, I would love to see you hear as well.
Posted By: ARRRG (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 03:20 PM
Is it really beyond your tolerant progressive brains that a military man could be educated?
Assholes
Posted By: John (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 02:01 PM
Nope but not one on the front lines as a grunt soldier/Private? I don't think so. Unless all this bravado he likes to talk about isn't true and he was really back at base camp the entire time over there as some sort of specialist and never really fired a weapon like he likes to claim
But what can you believe with Grant aside from he is batshit crazy or one of the best Troll's EVA!
My psych degree would confirm his batshit craziness!
Posted By: Musin Muhammod (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 03:31 PM
Grant has become nothing more than a parody of himself.
He has a Spook up his ass.
Posted By: Kevin Edwards (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 03:42 PM
You and people like you are the reason that this country is on a downward slide. I really do try to be tolerant of others' views, and have several conservative friends and relatives. That said, you are not conservative. You are batshit insane. The world would be so much better off if Republicans could go back to being fiscally conservative and pragmatic, instead of the hyper religious zealots you are now. Stay the fuck out of my life, and quit trying to force your personal morality on others who don't share it. Neo-Conservatives and Evangelical Christians are the worst things to happen to the world since the black plague. Please die in a fire.
Posted By: Grant Is A Bastard (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 02:56 AM
Great display of tolerance. It's great to see that the people who preach we should be tolerant of everyone, refuse to tolerate Christianity and people with morals. I guess morals makes us intolerant of other people, but being immoral makes YOU intolerant of us....so it sounds like we are at a stand still. Just don't go around thinking you are the good guy, because you are not. While Christians should be more tolerant of the people doing the wrong doings, they do not and should not have to be tolerant of the wrong doing. For example, people who disagree with abortion SHOULD NOT blow up abortion clinics, write death threats or hate mail to the doctors who perform them, or hate people who have them. I should love those people like I would anyone else, but I shouldn't have to be okay with abortion or agree with it.
Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 07:22 PM
"Love that Grant...Trolls like no other. It's the 2 years of "liberalism" that has killed the country...not the 8 years of republican white house politics."
Thank you for illustrating my point. The President of the United States of America writes no laws. He is a signature to the Legislature. Nothing more; nothing less.
Bush sucked... and the last two years he was in office he was just signing or vetoing laws from the Legislature...
It's not 2 years of Democrat laws, it's 4 years of Democrat laws.
Now I am a radical aethist and a liberitarian so I think both Democrat and Republican laws are usually full of shit; but at least understand what your talking about.
Posted By: DeimosMasque (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 07:23 PM
Who needs science, and progress, and intelligence, and lifesaving capabilities when you have Jesus!!!
Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 08:46 PM
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Great display of tolerance. It's great to see that the people who preach we should be tolerant of everyone, refuse to tolerate Christianity and people with morals. I guess morals makes us intolerant of other people, but being immoral makes YOU intolerant of us....so it sounds like we are at a stand still. Just don't go around thinking you are the good guy, because you are not. While Christians should be more tolerant of the people doing the wrong doings, they do not and should not have to be tolerant of the wrong doing. For example, people who disagree with abortion SHOULD NOT blow up abortion clinics, write death threats or hate mail to the doctors who perform them, or hate people who have them. I should love those people like I would anyone else, but I shouldn't have to be okay with abortion or agree with it.
Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest)"
What's more important is empathy and ethics. Feel for your fellow man and understand when you are doing him wrong.
The rest is wrapped in religion and politics and honestly; neither should have anything to do with how we treat each other.
As none harm you; do no harm to others. How is that so hard?
Posted By: DeimosMasque (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 09:22 PM
Yet another issue that gets put to the frontline to cover up the real problems of the country. This is why Republicans may win in November, but won't hold onto power, because they get consumed with bullshit like this. Very much like the mosque.
Posted By: gwpbrianw (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 10:55 PM
Great display of tolerance. It's great to see that the people who preach we should be tolerant of everyone, refuse to tolerate Christianity and people with morals. I guess morals makes us intolerant of other people, but being immoral makes YOU intolerant of us....so it sounds like we are at a stand still. Just don't go around thinking you are the good guy, because you are not. While Christians should be more tolerant of the people doing the wrong doings, they do not and should not have to be tolerant of the wrong doing. For example, people who disagree with abortion SHOULD NOT blow up abortion clinics, write death threats or hate mail to the doctors who perform them, or hate people who have them. I should love those people like I would anyone else, but I shouldn't have to be okay with abortion or agree with it.
Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 07:22 PM
I have tried to be tolerant man. I really wish you're side would. I couldn't care less what you think of abortion, or people that have abortions. You can think they are complete monsters all you want. That is your right. What is NOT your right is to force your religiously based moral viewpoints on people who don't share them. I would never want to make it a law that Christians who get pregnant unexpectedly would have to get an abortion, however, your side wants to make it illegal for someone not sharing your values to obtain the procedure. This ruling is of the same cloth, the only people that care about the embryos are people who believe life begins at conception, I do not, and therefore I don't agree with this ruling. The bible is not the constitution, and we are not a theocracy, no matter how much you hardcore Christians seem to want that. You have just as much right to hate abortion because Jesus says so, as I have every right to be an atheist and believe otherwise. That said, your opinion does NOT hold more weight than mine in a free country.
Posted By: Grant Is A Bastard (Guest) on August 26, 2010 at 11:10 PM
Grant haters, you don't have to be christian to think abortion is murder. Thanks.
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on August 27, 2010 at 12:28 AM
I love when a self admitted atheist thinks that I have a problem with killing kids because of my religion.
I have a problem with it because you kill defenseless babies instead of acting like a responsible adult.
Either use protection or deal with the consequences. Or better yet don't have sex until your old enough to understand those consequences.
It's not religion calling you an asshole, it's me...
Posted By: Grant Muioc (Guest) on August 27, 2010 at 01:22 AM
I might take the religious right's side of this argument more seriously if they were just as opposed to artificial insemination, which results in fertilized eggs that are either frozen forever or destroyed - the equivalent of an abortion.
Posted By: GaryML (Guest) on August 27, 2010 at 01:39 AM
Obviously GaryML has no idea what it takes to have a kid... Why not blame the religious right on a chicks period? It's a better example than what you just posted...
No wonder liberals like abortions, they don't even understand what an abortion actually is.
Posted By: Grant Muioc (Guest) on August 27, 2010 at 02:50 AM
Either use protection or deal with the consequences. Or better yet don't have sex until your old enough to understand those consequences.
Posted By: Grant Muioc (Guest) on August 27, 2010 at 01:22 AM
If only your parents had followed that rule, they would have saved all of us from you!
Posted By: Bridge Troll (Guest) on August 27, 2010 at 08:10 AM
Obviously GaryML has no idea what it takes to have a kid... Why not blame the religious right on a chicks period? It's a better example than what you just posted...
No wonder liberals like abortions, they don't even understand what an abortion actually is.
Posted By: Grant Muioc (Guest) on August 27, 2010 at 02:50 AM
Way to avoid the issue, Grant. Probably because you don't want to have to deal with it, the same as other conservatives who say abortion is murder (the destruction of a fertilized egg within the first 3 months of gestation) yet are fine with artificial insemination, which can lead to several fertilized eggs - most of which are either destroyed or frozen indefinitely. If life begins at conception, which is what you're saying, then why do you support one but not the other?
Grant's response is enlightening because it really shows what abortion is about: controlling a woman's body. That's why he's not talking about embryonic stem cell research (stem cells taking from a blastocyst, no larger than the point of a pencil), but wants to talk about "what it takes to have a kid." Of course it's much easier to mislead people (it's a lie to say no positive research has resulted from embryonic stem cells) and distract them by talking about something unrelated to what this column is about.
But hey, why actually debate a topic when you can just hurl insults from your high horse?
Posted By: GaryML (Guest) on August 27, 2010 at 11:53 AM
"Grant haters, you don't have to be christian to think abortion is murder."
No, just an idiot.
Posted By: Chewbacca (Guest) on August 27, 2010 at 12:19 PM
Maybe Grant got his Degree from The Glenn Beck University...
Posted By: elry (Guest) on August 29, 2010 at 02:21 PM
STAY CURRENT