As I touched on yesterday, Republicans are, thus far, putting themselves in the same position that Democrats did in 2004 -- fielding weak candidates that probably won't be able to take advantage of the incumbent President's weaknesses. It says a lot that Obama has comfortable leads on all these candidates despite himself having an approval rating below 50%.
Meanwhile in Iowa, Mike Huckabee is on top of the latest poll with 27% of the vote, followed by Mitt Romney with 15% and Donald Trump with 14%. Interestingly enough, 48% of Iowa Republicans say they think Obama was not born in the U.S. with another 26% saying they're unsure. Those numbers are good for Trump, who has made the birther issue one of the cornerstones of his campaign. 63% of Iowa Republicans say they won't vote for a candidate that has supported a healthcare mandate -- a number that doesn't bode well for Romney who already has a plethora of electability issues in Iowa.
Still very early though, a lot can and will change in the coming months.
Posted By: Guest#0044 (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 03:47 PM
Why do we always have a choice between a horse shit and dog shit. Doesn't anyone want to run for president who is a normal sane American who is somewhere in the middle... you know WHERE MOST OF US ARE!!!!
On a side note if only we could find a republican candidate named Adolph Bussolini Sockmadinejad the polls would be dead even!!! Especially if his platform is "Change you can Believe in...this time for real" Even though it will be really tough to run against Barack Obama's platform of ..."It's STILL George Bush's fault"
I kid but this is too sad.
Posted By: Guest#4629 (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 03:51 PM
This should surprise nobody as the republican presidential field is as bad if not worse than the democratic field of 2004.
Posted By: Guest#0053 (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 04:11 PM
There is some unknown, intelligent, charismatic leader out there who just hasnt shown their face yet. A middle ground person who both dems and republicans can get behind and will put "Sanity back on the national menu" (shock treatment reference there for any interested).
This person just needs to stop waiting!
Posted By: AG Awesome (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 04:21 PM
There is some unknown, intelligent, charismatic leader out there who just hasnt shown their face yet. A middle ground person who both dems and republicans can get behind and will put "Sanity back on the national menu" (shock treatment reference there for any interested).
This person just needs to stop waiting!
Posted By: AG Awesome (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 04:21 PM
No it is a zero sum game. Conservatives will only vote for Republicans and Liberals will always vote against Republicans.
Posted By: Guest#0163 (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 04:52 PM
I'd love to see the poll percentage difference between Obama and Ron Paul.
Posted By: D (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 05:58 PM
There is some unknown, intelligent, charismatic leader out there who just hasnt shown their face yet. A middle ground person who both dems and republicans can get behind and will put "Sanity back on the national menu" (shock treatment reference there for any interested).
This person just needs to stop waiting!
Posted By: AG Awesome (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 04:21 PM
That person is named Jesus and if he hasn't shown up in 2011 years why show up now with all of this crap.
Who knows the republicans may not believe him and call his a communist/socialist for wanting to help the poor!
Posted By: reality check (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 06:28 PM
The Republican party is WAY too fragmented, Obama is gonna squash any of these jobbers.
Posted By: Rocky (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 06:42 PM
First of all, if it isnt a Rasmussen OR a Zagby poll....its full of shit. ANY poll done by the "networks" or cable news stations...INCLUDING FOX are either skewed towards one party OR the data is flawed. The data is flawed because ONLY Zagby and Rasmussen poll ACTUAL VOTERS instead of just whomever they can find. Therefore, this story is a phony. Nice try Ash, but this isnt the Huffington Post or Moveon.org.
Posted By: CM Wolf (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 06:57 PM
These polls are being taken before gas hits 5 a gallon on Memorial day, inflation makes three bags of groceries cost a hundred dollars and unemployment upticks as a result of fuel prices and inflation. Things that are all on the Obama administration.
Posted By: John (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 07:18 PM
Were was Obama in the polls in April of 2007?
Posted By: Guest#3686 (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 07:52 PM
About what I thought. The Republicans need someone that can stand up to Obama that the party can unite behind and so far, they don't have it.
Posted By: Guest#7330 (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 08:09 PM
First of all, if it isnt a Rasmussen OR a Zagby poll....its full of shit. ANY poll done by the "networks" or cable news stations...INCLUDING FOX are either skewed towards one party OR the data is flawed. The data is flawed because ONLY Zagby and Rasmussen poll ACTUAL VOTERS instead of just whomever they can find. Therefore, this story is a phony. Nice try Ash, but this isnt the Huffington Post or Moveon.org.
Posted By: CM Wolf (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 06:57 PM
And if you knew jack shit about polling you'd know Rasmussen has severe house effects skewing their polling and that "Zogby" (lolZagbyfail)is by far one of the most innacurate pollsters. But don't let facts get in the way of your idiotic rant.
Posted By: Guest#7743 (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 08:12 PM
I vote we just cancel the election this year and send the money to a humanitarian effort in Libya or Haiti. Does anyone actually believe the President will lose? Moving on...
Posted By: wees (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 08:22 PM
Were was Obama in the polls in April of 2007?
Posted By: Guest#3686 (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 07:52 PM
I was curious about this too. He was in second to Hillary. Hillary usually got low to mid 30s, while Obama was in the low to mid 20s in April 2007.
Posted By: Guest#4337 (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 09:43 PM
I'd love to see the poll percentage difference between Obama and Ron Paul.
Posted By: D (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 05:58 PM
Do you stomp on puppies too or is this the only facet in life where you have a sick sense of humor. lol...and this is from a Ron Paul supporter.
Posted By: mello yello enthusiast (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 09:51 PM
I'd love to see the poll percentage difference between Obama and Ron Paul.
Posted By: D (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 05:58 PM
Well, he did spectacularly well in the last election didn't he?
Posted By: Guest#8861 (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 10:18 PM
I forgot T-Paw-Yawn!
Posted By: Geoff (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 02:08 AM
In the UK, Obama against any of these Republican nuts would be 80%-20%.
I think a poll at the time of the last election was 85% Obama 15% McCain
Seriously 40% of your country would vote for Michelle Bachman or Sarah Palin? Seriously? You got issues guys.
Posted By: JJ Hook (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 03:02 AM
If Ron Paul is the Republican nominee, he'll have a very good chance to win since even liberals are tired of Obama. Ron Paul could actually change this country into something better, we need him as president. Unfortunately, the hicks of this country won't see him as " American enough" and they want some bigoted, Christian inbred like Palin or Bauchman to run. The rest of the country is sane so they won't vote either of those Neanderthals in, people won't buy Trump as a legit president and Rommney just can not handle one of the most important jobs on earth. Looks like an easy win for Obama unfortunately.
Posted By: Guest#1501 (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 04:37 AM
Who knows the republicans may not believe him and call his a communist/socialist for wanting to help the poor!
Posted By: reality check (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 06:28 PM
I wish more people could see this...
Posted By: Guest#1027 (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 06:33 AM
Ron Paul will be 20% mainly do to GOP people not wanting to vote for Obama. The other sane 80% will choose Obama. Huckabee is his biggest threat if he make it through the GOP line-up which will eat themselves by the end.
Posted By: afan (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 07:33 AM
First of all, if it isnt a Rasmussen OR a Zagby poll....its full of shit. ANY poll done by the "networks" or cable news stations...INCLUDING FOX are either skewed towards one party OR the data is flawed. The data is flawed because ONLY Zagby and Rasmussen poll ACTUAL VOTERS instead of just whomever they can find. Therefore, this story is a phony. Nice try Ash, but this isnt the Huffington Post or Moveon.org.
Posted By: CM Wolf (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 06:57 PM
And if you knew jack shit about polling you'd know Rasmussen has severe house effects skewing their polling and that "Zogby" (lolZagbyfail)is by far one of the most innacurate pollsters. But don't let facts get in the way of your idiotic rant.
Posted By: Guest#7743 (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 08:12 PM
HEY!! CM WOLF is a die hard Republican Conservative who will not accept your "facts" unless they always agree with whatever FOX told him to think!! You better remember that BUDDY your accuracy has nothing on his blatantly lying news source who's lies help support the bias and bigotry he basis his life on!!!
Posted By: Guest#4887 (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 09:00 AM
I'm voting Ron Paul.
Not that our votes are counted anyways.
Posted By: Guest#6889 (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 12:22 PM
Too early for polls...America knows Obama is a dangerous left-wing radical, so these polls merely represent America's unease right now with the current hypotheticals because they so badly want him to be defeated, hence the lukewarm response to these uncertain candidates. Once a candidate is settled upon, and the campaign begins in ernest, the polls will start to show the fear America has of the prospect of another four years of this America-hating, stealth socialist.
Douglas, you apparently didn't get the memo. The socialist revolution is now a stealth one. The old idea of a sudden, violent revolution went out in the 80's when the Midwest Academy changed the strategy for the solcialist movement to work more subtly within the confines of the two-party system via the Democrats. Get with the program, eh comrade?
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 01:28 PM
First of all, if it isnt a Rasmussen OR a Zagby poll....its full of shit. ANY poll done by the "networks" or cable news stations...INCLUDING FOX are either skewed towards one party OR the data is flawed. The data is flawed because ONLY Zagby and Rasmussen poll ACTUAL VOTERS instead of just whomever they can find. Therefore, this story is a phony. Nice try Ash, but this isnt the Huffington Post or Moveon.org.
Posted By: CM Wolf (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 06:57 PM
And if you knew jack shit about polling you'd know Rasmussen has severe house effects skewing their polling and that "Zogby" (lolZagbyfail)is by far one of the most innacurate pollsters. But don't let facts get in the way of your idiotic rant.
Posted By: Guest#7743 (Guest) on April 19, 2011 at 08:12 PM
HEY!! CM WOLF is a die hard Republican Conservative who will not accept your "facts" unless they always agree with whatever FOX told him to think!! You better remember that BUDDY your accuracy has nothing on his blatantly lying news source who's lies help support the bias and bigotry he basis his life on!!!
Posted By: Guest#4887 (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 09:00 AM
Okay, that last post was hilarious.
Posted By: Guest#7709 (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 01:32 PM
Ashish,
firstly long overdue thanks for 411mania I have been a fan of the site since at least 2001 and have seen it grow. But please, please, please give the blatently pro Obama commentary a rest. It annoyed me in 2008 and it annoys me now I mean running some sort of poll when the election is over a year away? Come on, man. I bet Obama who is already a candidate is miles ahead of a party who is duking it out to decide their front runner.
Now I know some people will wonder why I am picking on Ashish and not other commontators of either view who write here. Its a fair point but here is the difference, Ashish is the web master not just a commentator and I think when the web master starts being blindly partisan it starts to illigitamize a site.
Thank you, and once again Ashish I mean only respect.
Ben
Posted By: Ben (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 01:58 PM
Gop sucks,expand the platform and they might get more votes
Posted By: mr independent (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 03:19 PM
:-(
Posted By: AG Awesome (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 04:57 PM
Too early for polls...America knows Obama is a dangerous left-wing radical, so these polls merely represent America's unease right now with the current hypotheticals because they so badly want him to be defeated, hence the lukewarm response to these uncertain candidates. Once a candidate is settled upon, and the campaign begins in ernest, the polls will start to show the fear America has of the prospect of another four years of this America-hating, stealth socialist.
Douglas, you apparently didn't get the memo. The socialist revolution is now a stealth one. The old idea of a sudden, violent revolution went out in the 80's when the Midwest Academy changed the strategy for the solcialist movement to work more subtly within the confines of the two-party system via the Democrats. Get with the program, eh comrade?
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 01:28 PM
This is seriously the type of insane rambling that makes conservatives look bad. If candidates cater to people like this then Obama will have an easy reelection.
Posted By: Real Conservative (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 05:22 PM
Huckabee would probably be the best choice out of anyone running. Yeah, he's a bit of a religious turdsicle, but when it comes to governing, he's proven himself decisive and equipped to handle the job. Unlike our president. And unlike the previous cock in chief, he's well read and articulate.
Posted By: Guest#3481 (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 05:59 PM
"Huckabee would probably be the best choice out of anyone running. Yeah, he's a bit of a religious turdsicle, but when it comes to governing, he's proven himself decisive and equipped to handle the job. Unlike our president. And unlike the previous cock in chief, he's well read and articulate. "
He's a RINO so he's not an option.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 06:29 PM
These are the same GOP field that Obama clobbered last time around, with a crazy Donald Trump thrown in for giggles and Michelle freaking Bachman, who makes Palin look like a scholar.
Posted By: Guest#5402 (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 06:53 PM
Huckabee would probably be the best choice out of anyone running. Yeah, he's a bit of a religious turdsicle, but when it comes to governing, he's proven himself decisive and equipped to handle the job. Unlike our president. And unlike the previous cock in chief, he's well read and articulate.
Posted By: Guest#3481 (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 05:59 PM
Isn't Huckabee the guy who pardoned someone, who then went on a killing spree?
Posted By: Guest#9652 (Guest) on April 20, 2011 at 06:57 PM
Unless the GOP finds a Reagan like figure before we vote next year, Obama will coast to a second term. Right now they don't have that and I doubt they will. Look at George W. Bush in 2004; low approval rating, sluggish economy, unpopular war in Iraq. What happened? He was reelected because the democratic presidential field and it's nominee John Kerry was so weak. This despite the fact
that conditions seemed to favor democrats. Bottom line is that if you don't have a strong candidate, you have no shot at winning.
Posted By: Geoff (Guest) on April 21, 2011 at 01:10 AM
Hey Real Conservative,
Let me provide some context. You are right that my posting's second paragraph doesn't make sense without some context. The Midwest Academy is a front group for radical socialism in America. Obama, throughout his political career, has been associated very strongly and convincingly with prominent members of this group. In fact, he has had many of them work on his campaign.
In the 1980's, the Midwest Academy underwent a radical strategy change whereby they stopped overtly promoting themselves as socialists, and instead adopted the community organizing monikers. This was because they relaized to thrust their goals of a full fledged socialist society onto the American public was not winning them many supporters. So they changed their strategy to implement socialism in a more piecemeal fashion via the two party system, and the best way to do this was through the Democratic party. Obama has bought into this approach. He is a stealth socialist.
Stanley Kurtz's book, "Radical-in-Chief" lays out the case rather convincingly, and it's full of volumious citation so you nerds on here can be satisfied with the facts he is presenting in the book.
I addressed Jason Douglas with that second paragraph of my earlier post, because he lamented on another post in a different aticle that Obama was basically Bush 2.0. So I was just trying to encourage him and give hinm a pep talk that Obama is still working toward Jason's goals of more socialism in America, but it won't happen if it's done too aggressively as Jason wishes. He's right on track.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on April 21, 2011 at 10:23 AM
I addressed Jason Douglas with that second paragraph of my earlier post, because he lamented on another post in a different aticle that Obama was basically Bush 2.0. So I was just trying to encourage him and give hinm a pep talk that Obama is still working toward Jason's goals of more socialism in America, but it won't happen if it's done too aggressively as Jason wishes. He's right on track.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on April 21, 2011 at 10:23 AM
Huzzah! When you can draw strong reactions without even posting a comment, you know you've made it.
Obama has given tax cut extensions for the rich, a THIRD war of choice (I can almost hear the footsteps of our soldiers in Libya now), has undermined the ability of SS to pay for itself, locked us into a mandate to subsidize corporate profits for big insurance, etc.
If someone was in an isolation booth since November 2008 and was only given copies of what laws have passed since January '09, they'd never know Obama won.
Too bad only about ten people saw my article last week. I covered this phenomenon in some depth.
Posted By: Jason Douglas (Registered) on April 21, 2011 at 11:07 AM
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on April 21, 2011 at 10:23 AM
I fully understand the context of your rant; however, a further explanation is never unwelcome, so thank you.
That being said, it is the type of blind madness that has crippled our party. First off, since its inception American has had what modern conservatives would claim to be "socialist" leanings.
The new conservative "socialist" rant is silly at best crippling at worst. We might as well start calling everyone Pinko's and start a whole new witch hunt.
Obama outside of the Healthcare bill, which by the way is part of a bill that was GOP designed, has been closer to traditional conservatism then liberalism.
To call him a "stealth socialist" (which is actually creative, I hope you thought of this yourself, if so coin it before Savage takes credit) is laughable. What has he done outside of healthcare to promote a socialist agenda?
He spends way too much money, but it is not on anything "socialist" by nature. If anything it is "elitist." Spouting the latest GOP buzzword does not make it correct, just comical.
FYI outside of Enrique who is an idiot. Jason has been the most outspoke anti-Obama person on this site, well at least out of the people that use logic. I highly doubt he is a full fledged socialist and to dismiss him as one is a laughable attempted to devalue his arguments without doing the effort of actually having a retort. I disagree with Jason on a lot of things but if you are going to counter his argument you have to have your facts straight because he has his.
Oh and Kurtz's book was a joke, those sources were pretty gray and many of them do not exist. It was nothing but a hate piece and pretty inaccurate. Also I read it at my "socialist" library. Might as well read Ann Coulter, if you found any value in that book.
Aren't you the one that ran Kris off this site? You stepped up your game there, I think you should strive for that sort o discourse.
Posted By: Guest#6221 (Guest) on April 21, 2011 at 11:36 AM
Douglas is tha man!!!
Not Da Man, but it's close.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on April 21, 2011 at 12:26 PM
Posted By: Guest#6221 (Guest) on April 21, 2011 at 11:36 AM
This was my post, sorry I forgot to sign my name.
Also I would like to add that I didn't mean it was a good thing Kris has left us, because I though Kris was one of the most intelligent people to ever post here, even if I'm on the other side of the spectrum.
Posted By: Real Conservative (Guest) on April 21, 2011 at 01:18 PM
The health care bill is the centerpiece of his socialist agenda. It's not single payer, but it's the first step to single payer. Obama has even said this in speeches in front of the unions where he admits it will take ten years or so before they can introduce single payer. That's cause he knows America will not accept a one step hop from what we have now to single payer. The analogy I've read is that the American people are like the frog in slowly boiling water. They don't know to jump out until it's to late. That's the socialist agenda. Use people like you to attack me for calling them out on it as being "out there". You're a "useful idiot" for these people (no disrespect intended, as I don't think you're an idiot, but that's the term they use for people who are blinded to their ultimate agenda).
I know it sounds a little conspiracy theorist, but I'm willing to take that bullet if it wakes more people up to this guy's ultimate goals.
I ran Kris off this site? I never meant to do that. I liked reacting to his/(her?) ramblings. Kris was a good heel.
And I like Douglas, but he's running the party line for Obama when he expresses dissatisfaction with what he hasn't done yet. All that does is give Obama credibility with moderates when a hard-core leftist like Jason expresses frustration with that fact that he hasn't careened left as fast as he would like. Obama knows you turn the wheel too fast and you'll lose control of the car.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on April 21, 2011 at 01:24 PM
The health care bill is the centerpiece of his socialist agenda. It's not single payer, but it's the first step to single payer. Obama has even said this in speeches in front of the unions where he admits it will take ten years or so before they can introduce single payer. That's cause he knows America will not accept a one step hop from what we have now to single payer. The analogy I've read is that the American people are like the frog in slowly boiling water. They don't know to jump out until it's to late. That's the socialist agenda. Use people like you to attack me for calling them out on it as being "out there". You're a "useful idiot" for these people (no disrespect intended, as I don't think you're an idiot, but that's the term they use for people who are blinded to their ultimate agenda).
I know it sounds a little conspiracy theorist, but I'm willing to take that bullet if it wakes more people up to this guy's ultimate goals.
I ran Kris off this site? I never meant to do that. I liked reacting to his/(her?) ramblings. Kris was a good heel.
And I like Douglas, but he's running the party line for Obama when he expresses dissatisfaction with what he hasn't done yet. All that does is give Obama credibility with moderates when a hard-core leftist like Jason expresses frustration with that fact that he hasn't careened left as fast as he would like. Obama knows you turn the wheel too fast and you'll lose control of the car.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on April 21, 2011 at 01:24 PM
Just out of curiosity what do you think the ultimate goal of this socialist regime would be?
See I have heard all the rants before, my only problem is there really is no gain in a socialist take over in this country. By definition socialism would limit whatever end game plans Obama would have. There is no win for him at the end of a socialist take over. If there was some sort of take away I guess I could take that conspiracy seriously.
The Healthcare bill is not, to me at least, some socialist monster, it is an attempt all be it a failed one to create what has been successful in the Europe.
Posted By: Real Conservative (Guest) on April 22, 2011 at 09:01 AM
The ultimate goal of the socialist regime is to eliminate any and all private enterprise so everything is under the control of the government.
People like to pretend that libs want to raise taxes to fix roads or the poor. Some people even like to pretend to be real conservatives when they are simply traitors to the cause.
Lies. Liberals have nothing more than class warfare and accusations of racism to stand on. America will not make the same mistake to elect Obama, or anyone like him, ever again.
Infact, Obama coming into office will go down in history as the greatest event ever for conservatives, because when America wakes up and realizes they elected a communist muslim with no birth certificate, then we can get some real Americans in office!
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on April 22, 2011 at 12:54 PM
Infact, Obama coming into office will go down in history as the greatest event ever for conservatives, because when America wakes up and realizes they elected a communist muslim with no birth certificate, then we can get some real Americans in office!
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on April 22, 2011 at 12:54 PM
As one conservative to another, I think you really need to reevaluate your thinking. I don't mean this in a snide dismissive way, I mean this in a "you are hooked on baseless sound bites" kinda way.
It is this kinda tripe Fox news garbage that is crippling the legitimacy of anything the conservatives push forth.
I take offense at the Muslim thing so I will leave it alone because that is a debate for another time. I will just say that blind bigotry like that is why conservatives are often labeled racists.
The birther thing is a joke too. Even Bill O has dismissed it, so we need to just walk away. The certificate has been available and justified.
And communism?? really?
The big thing is the whole "socialist" idea. It is silly. There is no endgame in it, which is the whole problem with the conspiracy. Also why would the bailout happen if he was really a socialist? Why the small business act? Really the only "socialist" item is the healthcare bill, which really isn't socialist because it relies on private companies.
If you really wanted to improve the country you would stop failing for these distractions and look at the GOP controlled house. These are the people that are supposed to be representing conservative beliefs and they are doing the worst job of any house I have ever seen. While you stay distracted with stupid Fox quips. The house ruins all that we stand for. You have been hoodwinked my friend.
Posted By: Real Conservative (Guest) on April 22, 2011 at 01:21 PM
nfact, Obama coming into office will go down in history as the greatest event ever for conservatives, because when America wakes up and realizes they elected a communist muslim with no birth certificate, then we can get some real Americans in office!
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on April 22, 2011 at 12:54 PM
As one conservative to another, I think you really need to reevaluate your thinking. I don't mean this in a snide dismissive way, I mean this in a "you are hooked on baseless sound bites" kinda way.
It is this kinda tripe Fox news garbage that is crippling the legitimacy of anything the conservatives push forth.
I take offense at the Muslim thing so I will leave it alone because that is a debate for another time. I will just say that blind bigotry like that is why conservatives are often labeled racists.
The birther thing is a joke too. Even Bill O has dismissed it, so we need to just walk away. The certificate has been available and justified.
And communism?? really?
The big thing is the whole "socialist" idea. It is silly. There is no endgame in it, which is the whole problem with the conspiracy. Also why would the bailout happen if he was really a socialist? Why the small business act? Really the only "socialist" item is the healthcare bill, which really isn't socialist because it relies on private companies.
If you really wanted to improve the country you would stop failing for these distractions and look at the GOP controlled house. These are the people that are supposed to be representing conservative beliefs and they are doing the worst job of any house I have ever seen. While you stay distracted with stupid Fox quips. The house ruins all that we stand for. You have been hoodwinked my friend.
Posted By: Real Conservative (Guest) on April 22, 2011 at 01:21 PM
Best post from 411 in a long time. As a moderate I can tell you I would rethink more conservative candidates if they catered to people like you rather then "da Man" Yes, we will do verbal battle again on this site but for now I bow to you.
Posted By: Me (Guest) on April 22, 2011 at 04:48 PM
Infact, Obama coming into office will go down in history as the greatest event ever for conservatives, because when America wakes up and realizes they elected a communist muslim with no birth certificate, then we can get some real Americans in office!
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on April 22, 2011 at 12:54 PM
Horray... Da Man has gone full birther.
Can we just ignore him now? When you're supporting conspiracy theories so bizarre even Bachmann thinks it's settled fact, I think it's time we all just ignore you...
Posted By: Ray Church (Guest) on April 22, 2011 at 06:32 PM
Why would the bailout happen under a socialist? Hello! The bailout was the government taking over! The classic "we need to do this NOW or else!"
First it was the banking industry, then the auto industry, then the health care industry. If I cite some news articles will that help you?
But no, these are just "distractions" and "quips". The guy bows before the emperor of Japan on his "Shame America Tour", he calls police officers "stupid", he tries to take over private industry.
And you all just sit there and smile with your smug ivory tower elitist liberal smearing lies. Typical.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on April 23, 2011 at 03:20 PM
Why would the bailout happen under a socialist? Hello! The bailout was the government taking over! The classic "we need to do this NOW or else!"
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on April 23, 2011 at 03:20 PM
Someone doesn't understand what "taking over" means or what socialism really is apparently.
There is no long term state ownership of ANY of the industries you speak of. The basic premise of socialism (just to explain it to you since you have no idea what it is other than a buzz word used by foxnews talking heads) is the idea of economic activity in business benefiting everyone not just the private industry.
This is the complete OPPOSITE of what socialism is, if anything it was a bailout for the rich, where the rich keep the profits the companies keep the money and pay back (in some cases) the short term loan given them from the government.
Its really state capitalism not socialism but keep on using that word, we all enjoy watching you be so passionate yet so clueless at the same time
Posted By: ugg... (Guest) on April 23, 2011 at 05:20 PM
Interesting to note that Ron Paul isn't included in the poll... Hmmmm... Already trying to smash the one candidate who has a chance at beating Obama?
Posted By: Spyke (Guest) on April 30, 2011 at 09:27 AM
Ok so this is the ABC poll which ALWAYS caters to the Democratic party viewers. Why do these numbers not match what other networks have? Let me guess. They polled people in Chicago, Massachusetts, and other known Democrat states. Be fair in reporting crap like this.
Posted By: Guest#7703 (Guest) on May 04, 2011 at 02:46 PM
STAY CURRENT