Occupy Wall Street Protesters Arrested
Posted by Jason Douglas on 10.06.2011
Fight the power...
As you are hopefully aware, for weeks there have been small but growing groups of protesters gathering in New York and now other cities for demonstrations against Wall Street's domination of our government. There has been no single message or demand. It pretty much amounts to "we're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore!". There are college students worried about their future, middle aged unemployed, etc. all gathered together to get their government's attention. They feel marginalized and ignored, and are ready to take up arms and charge on... oh wait, they're actually just carrying signs, chanting and marching peaceably in places where they can legally do so. It must be terribly frustrating for the police to watch this and have no recourse. I mean, people are exercising their first amendment rights in unison without any sort of state permission or private sponsorship.
Silly me, they can always make an excuse. First there was a group of women who were penned in like stray animals, then maced for absolutely no reason by one Anthony Bologna, a high ranking officer who wanted to set an example. No, not an example for protesters, an example for proper police response to peaceful demonstrations. Can't have the masses start acting without Big Brother's prompting, after all. Later came the "trap and detain" tactic at the Brooklyn Bridge, in which police wait for a protest march to reach an area with little room to disperse, then block everyone in from both ends and arrest the entire group, charges being trumped up later. This tactic typically results in a multi-million dollar lawsuit which the offending city loses, which means taxpayers lose. More importantly, free speech loses.
In my time writing at 411, we've discussed issues from social programs to war to tax policy, and there is always lively debate. The one area where I have seen almost complete agreement is that special interests dominate the agenda in Washington, and we have largely lost control of our own government. When the masses agree that one specific aspect of government is corrupt and in desperate need of fundamental change, that should result in a timely response from legislators. Instead, some of them admit to being influenced by lobbyists, but make the excuse that if they turn down corporate money, their opponent will not and they'd lose their seat. We need everyone to financially "disarm" at the same time, which is why campaign finance reform is a prerequisite to solving any other problem in our government. If these protests swelled to millions strong with a unified message to end our wars, for example, they might be granted that single request, and then the billions spent there would go to special interests elsewhere.
The issue sending our nation toward implosion is not where our tax dollars and new debt are spent, but how those decisions are being made. We used to have a nation where the people divided over whether a certain cause merited government action, and would elect politicians to represent their stance on the issues they care most about. What we have today is a rigged system in which the decisions are made before public debate begins, with special interests testing to see how far they can defy public will without causing a revolt. That's what these false arrests are really about. They are a test of our collective will. The revolution is coming, of that I have no doubt. The question the powers that be are trying to answer is how they will stop it. Can they flex a little police muscle and send us scurrying away, or are they looking at something like Libya? They want to find that sweet spot where people won't bother to act because they feel like they can always do so later. The thing about going to war is you risk losing everything. It's much better to gain an advantage, then slowly bleed the other side in a way that leaves them losing something, but not quite enough to fight over. Some wrongful oil subsidies here, a tax cut for the rich there, good jobs exported with lousy ones replacing them. You don't take a person's whole meal away, you just give them a little less each day for the same price and convince them they should be grateful they're eating at all. That's how you convert the most prosperous nation in human history into a third world country without a single bullet being fired.
The top 1% in this country now take in over 20% of the wealth and climbing, and we have a government we all agree answers only to big money. Put two and two together and it becomes obvious that as the disparity worsens, our collective voice in government gets snuffed out. We already have a government in which the question is not whether to rob the other 99% of us, but how blatantly it can be done without triggering a peasant revolt. With each passing year, more Americans join the ranks of the poor and desperate, too busy trying to hang on to get involved in reforming the system. Ideally, they will bring us all to our knees willing to obediently do whatever it takes not to starve, convinced beyond all reason that this is how it should be. Those who called the early casualties "lazy" will find out otherwise when it happens to them. Those who scoffed at educated people refusing to take that job at Wal-Mart will suddenly realize it's impossible to make ends meet on that income. Those who ran small businesses supported by the disposable income of the middle class will cry at their life's work going down the drain, while corporate titans toss out empty phrases like "too much regulation" to explain it away. The titans will then use that excuse to end the minimum wage, OSHA, the eight hour work day, the ability to sue for a hostile work environment, and anything else with a tinge of human rights. You see, they have to do those things so we can compete in the global market with the countries that hold the good jobs we once did.
I told you Obama would extend the Bush tax cuts half a year before he did it, and I told you the debt ceiling crisis was completely bogus and no default would happen. Now I'm telling you what our future is if we decline to act. So do we write off the wrongly arrested protesters as hippies and lazy young people, or do we recognize that they are us and join the fight before we're next? We need a constitutional amendment requiring political campaigns to be publicly financed and banning all private money from elections. If people want to speak with their own voice, or by carrying a sign, passing out fliers, organizing protests, etc., they are free to do so; they just can't pay others such as lobbyists, voice actors and media outlets to speak for them. One man, one voice, not he who spends the most speaks the loudest.
The powers that be will never make such a concession unless we're willing to tear the whole system down to force the issue. No more faith in false prophets like Obama or vague insistence that your party of choice isn't just as complicit as the other side. We are governed by an unelected ruling class pulling the strings in Washington on a daily basis. We can't vote them out, so we must ban their influence and start putting the bastards in federal prison if they insist on corrupting our government. The "socialists" and "tea party" aren't the danger, as they have no real power. It's the handful of suits running our lives under the illusion that we have a choice that must be stopped.
Just throwing this out there and getting myself on a government watch list if I'm not there already. THIS is why our founding fathers wanted the 2nd Amendment. If this great experiment they were organizing ever went bad, they wanted the people to have the ability to fight back. Sadly, things have changed beyond what our founding fathers could have forseen.
Dems and Repubs and any other party... they're only about holding on to power and feeding their corporate masters. Obviously the Libertarians sold out long ago, but apparently the corporations have no faith in them... and that's pretty bad, since Libertarians are never secretive about their plans to turn everything over to the private sector if they get in power. Even the Greens are beholden in some way to corporate America.
It's just a mnatter of time before the American people give up or get fed up and resort to real violence. Not the violence of lunatics pretending to be a military organization in their backyard, either. Trained men and women that know how to seriously fuck up the flow of someone's day.
Posted By: Scott B (Guest) on October 06, 2011 at 10:19 PM
No offense, but the occupy kids are pretty dumb and uninformed: not unlike many commenters on this site. These two videos sum up the whole issue.
Exhibit A - http://youtu.be/bFVR9Nv43J4
Exhibit B - http://youtu.be/-H47tHjR5oA
Posted By: Kokesh0wns (Guest) on October 06, 2011 at 10:57 PM
People are unemployed, underemployed, Hell I got friends who have master's degree's having to wait tables because they can't get a job in their field, and can't even get a call for a simple CSR job because they are "overqualified"
This isn't an Obama problem, this isn't a Bush problem, this is an Overall American government problem. The lobbyists, special interests, and big business treat this country like it's their own personal piggy bank.
Take, Take, Take. The rich keep getting richer, the middle class keeps shrinking and nobody has the guts to take on the root of the problem. Democrats give lip service and do nothing, and republicans call everyone lazy and put their head in the sand about the problems we have.
Maybe the 99% of this country FINALLY got their head out of their collective asses and realized what is going on, and will actually do something about it.
The America we all grew up reading about and seeing movies about is dead, and died a long time ago. The era of their being a strong middle class is over and done with.
History will tell you the strength of any economy can be judged by how well the middle class is doing, not how much money the rich or "job creators" have.
Go to college, get a degree, get educated. Go learn a trade and open your own business. Well guess what? neither work in today's world.
College degree won't get you a call back or will have you waiting tables. Trying to open a business requires a loan the banks aren't giving...all the while jacking banking fees and checking fees AFTER we gave them our money.
THIS is what America has become, and until we all decide that being a republican or democrat is second to being an American we are all screwed.
Posted By: Vander (Guest) on October 06, 2011 at 11:22 PM
you know people used to take those low-paying jobs, you know why because it could help you move up the ladder, again take chris gardner and tyler perry as examples, they didn't mope around and cry i need money, no they got up off there butts and made the most of what they had, for gardener it was becoming a trader at a big banking firm, that ended up stablizing his life and he was able to create his own multi-million dollar firm, and tyler perry it was through his writing, that now makes him the highest paid person in hollywood
Posted By: coby (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 01:53 AM
Yes, these brave white college dropouts bitching that their liberal arts degrees aren't netting them $70,000 a year are true patriots. Chug a beer every time one of these geniuses says the phrase "fat cat". Fight the corporations and then brag about it on your Ipad.
Posted By: Guest#0123 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 03:24 AM
"they didn't mope around and cry i need money"
You know its people like you Coby who jus are complacent with everything around you. Unemployment can reach 50%, the few wealthy people among us can stock pile and save billions more in uncirculated money, and more and more people can live on the streets.. and all you'll ever say is "stop complaining".. maybe your fortunate enough to have not had this recession hit you but people "need money" to keep their homes warm and feed their families..
But thank god for your inspirational comment about Tyler Perry.. For every "Tyler Perry" success story theres probably ten thousand people who can't even qualify to be considered middle class because of our wealth disparity.. And btw Tyler Perry's movies are awful. By pointing out that a guy who makes crap movies is the highest paid person in Hollywood only highlights the argument.
Posted By: pete (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 03:57 AM
Posted By: coby (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 01:53 AM
That's all well and good, but what are white people supposed to do?
Posted By: poffo316 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 04:03 AM
I think the overall message is pretty clear: There is a systemic failure. We need to fix it.
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 06:02 AM
I'm speaking as one of the early casualties here that was called a hippie for fighting for all of our dumb asses: they've broken me. I can't be bothered anymore. Fuck it. Fuck this whole country, fuck this whole WORLD and everybody in it. I can't trust you fucks to watch my back so why should I even bother? You have the government you DESERVE. Me too.
Posted By: Vallejo (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 06:10 AM
Wow. Somebody gets it. I've been pointing out time and again, that if things are not dealt with soon, there will be violence and possibly even revolution. You can only screw over the people so much before they get wise to you and fight back. Do you think the New Deal was just about saving the economy? It was also about saving society because in a society with 25% unemployment without any hope for future prospects, the people will turn to anything.
It looks as if the fighting back is beginning. And while I don't condone violence, I for one couldn't be happier. I'm getting tired of the American attitude that as long as they have DVD's, TIVO and the internet to keep them entertained, what goes on in DC and Wall Street doesn't matter. I like to see people stand up and make themselves heard. Lets hope we get more and more to the point where DC and Wall Street realize they have to address the concerns of the people who have the ultimate power: the public. Without consumers, businesses cannot exist. Without voters, politicians will not stay in office. So, I encourage everyone to raise your voices, and protest--peacefully of course.
Posted By: Michael L (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 07:15 AM
you know people used to take those low-paying jobs, you know why because it could help you move up the ladder, again take chris gardner and tyler perry as examples, they didn't mope around and cry i need money, no they got up off there butts and made the most of what they had, for gardener it was becoming a trader at a big banking firm, that ended up stablizing his life and he was able to create his own multi-million dollar firm, and tyler perry it was through his writing, that now makes him the highest paid person in hollywood
Posted By: coby (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 01:53 AM
Wake up Coby...they are called exceptions to the rule pal. AND each of them were able to do that in a MUCH different economic environment than we have today.
Love people like this acting like people are looking for a hand out or to be given something, when most people just want to be able to find a job that will allow them to pay the bills.
People like coby are part of the problem, thinking things are just fine the way they are.
Posted By: Guest#6443 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 08:16 AM
Those police videos are taken completely out of context. All they show is the person being sprayed with anything that happened beforehand mysteriously missing. You don't know what they were doing.
Secondly those protesters were specifically told not to walk on the road on the bridge and specifically told if they did they would be arrested. Guess what happened?? There was no baiting so stop trying to manufacture anger.
I am from nyc and I work on wall street I assure you we have protests here all the time and our police force is more than up to the task of allowing people to be heard while still keeping the peace. This case is nothing more than people causing trouble to try and get more publicity.
The nypd is not wrong in arresting them but you are in judging
Posted By: Guest#1919 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 08:33 AM
**...those protesters were specifically told not to walk on the road on the bridge and specifically told if they did they would be arrested. Guess what happened?? There was no baiting so stop trying to manufacture anger**
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I agree, they were told if they did they would get arrested...and they went and did it. the police didnt bait them, they gave the warning. If I tell you don't touch a hot stove or you will get burned, then i turn the stove on and you still go and touch it. how is that my fault?
Posted By: Huh? (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 09:01 AM
I went to the one in the Twin Cities and it was really amazing to see people from all different age groups, Republicans, Democrats, Tea Party, and even libertarians were there. This could actually be something most intelligent people get behind.
Oh and on a side note, the Police in the cities did not beat or mace anyone, they were really nice.
Posted By: Guest#3586 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 09:13 AM
I am an NYPD officer who was injured in the line of duty by these "peaceful protesters" when I was hit by a glass bottle filled with piss. Hundreds of cops have been hurt at these demonstrations, they are anything but peaceful. These people are animals with no coherent message or demands. How can anyone support you if they don't know what you want?!
Posted By: Guest#7991 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 09:14 AM
Fence in on the bridge?! I was there, the little hippy assholes were shouting "take the bridge!"
Posted By: Guest#0795 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 09:17 AM
I have no problem with the reason people are protesting... totally understand.
The problem is that if it is your goal to disturb the peace don't be surprised if you get arrested.
...and don't tell me they didn't deserve to be arrested. Protest or not if I walked on the road of the Brooklyn Bridge ANY DAY OF THE YEAR I would be arrested no questions asked.
The link below shows the police asking people to leave the bridge before arresting them..They were given every chance to walk away without being charged with any crimes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LngwTp2xvgY
NOW TELL ME I AM WRONG!!!!
So maybe Jason Douglas will retract his statement that the NYPD "Trapped and Detained" My guess is that he won't because even in the face of video evidence his ideology cannot be changed.
Posted By: Guest#0379 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 09:18 AM
the irony is if you watch Fox News, they think we're about to hit another french revolution-- but THEY think it will be the rich executing the poor. Not quite LOL
Posted By: Guest#6829 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 10:15 AM
Just to play devil's advocate for a moment....if this protest leads to the reforms that these protesters are demanding.....what will happen if said demands cause this country to go furthur down the toilet and cause any position of power we have in the world to vanish? You think the protesters will be patting themselves on the back then?
Posted By: Harry Carey (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 10:23 AM
My father works in the Wall Street area, and from what he's told me, these protesters are far from peaceful. They are harrassing innocent people trying to get to their job, hitting cops and taunting them to hit back, disrupting traffic (both foot and vehicle) and basically causing a general nuisance, all the while the majority of them don't even know what their protesting or what demands they want.
Posted By: Person (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 10:25 AM
We need to shrink the size of govnt and make them stop SPENDING ARE MONEY..So that we dont have to BORROW MORE MONEY from china,japan,germany,russia Etc.
We need to fix the debt and create jobs..we are creating more outsourced over seas jobs then jobs for ppl here in america its a fucking shame i have been laid off from my job twice already..lost more then half my income..because why?...NY State Government!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Big Will (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 10:49 AM
We need to shrink the size of govnt and make them stop SPENDING ARE MONEY..So that we dont have to BORROW MORE MONEY from china,japan,germany,russia Etc.
We need to fix the debt and create jobs..we are creating more outsourced over seas jobs then jobs for ppl here in america its a fucking shame i have been laid off from my job twice already..lost more then half my income..because why?...NY State Government!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Big Will (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 10:49 AM
Are you sure it wasn't because of your terrible grammar?
Posted By: Guest#4747 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 10:59 AM
I give these "prostests" a week and a half before they turn full riot.
Posted By: Guest#3313 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 11:02 AM
People are unemployed, underemployed, Hell I got friends who have master's degree's having to wait tables because they can't get a job in their field, and can't even get a call for a simple CSR job because they are "overqualified"
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Posted By: Vander (Guest) on October 06, 2011 at 11:22 PM
didnt want to quote your whole comment although it is right. I live in Europe and of course it is pretty much the same here. the rich get richer and the other 95% (meaning: not only all of the "poor" but middle class as well) got less and less each year and are getting constantly more afraid to lose their jobs and their livelihood.
Posted By: blah (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 11:06 AM
I am an NYPD officer who was injured in the line of duty by these "peaceful protesters" when I was hit by a glass bottle filled with piss. Hundreds of cops have been hurt at these demonstrations, they are anything but peaceful. These people are animals with no coherent message or demands. How can anyone support you if they don't know what you want?!
Posted By: Guest#7991 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 09:14 AM
Actually their message is pretty clear.
The fact that you call them "animals" makes me question that you were completely innocent.
That being said, I try and support police and have a lot of respect for them. None of the officers should have been injured and I hope you are ok.
I spent the last 45 min looking for something on police being injured but I couldn't find a thing. Are you guys being told to keep it quite?
Posted By: Guest#1456 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 11:07 AM
You can't blame lobbyists or corporations. They simply tempt the officials. It IS your elected officials who accept the temptations and protect them before the public. Both parties are guilty. They tell the sheep what they want to hear and cut their throats with every vote. Blame your political choices as they are the ones who allow all of this to happen.
Posted By: Guest#7989 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 11:19 AM
The sad part is that these people are protesting the same issue that gave rise to the Tea Party. Yet, neither group would admit any similarity to the other. Far from it. The media has us so neatly divided ("Tea Party are racist rednecks!" / "Wall Street protestors are communist hippies!") that we'll keep spitting and pissing on one another until there is nothing left to fight over.
Posted By: CMS (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 11:22 AM
I am an NYPD officer who was injured in the line of duty by these "peaceful protesters" when I was hit by a glass bottle filled with piss. Hundreds of cops have been hurt at these demonstrations, they are anything but peaceful. These people are animals with no coherent message or demands. How can anyone support you if they don't know what you want?!
Posted By: Guest#7991 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 09:14 AM
Actually their message is pretty clear.
The fact that you call them "animals" makes me question that you were completely innocent.
That being said, I try and support police and have a lot of respect for them. None of the officers should have been injured and I hope you are ok.
I spent the last 45 min looking for something on police being injured but I couldn't find a thing. Are you guys being told to keep it quite?
Posted By: Guest#1456 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 11:07 AM
I am not the cop that wrote this but my guess is that if someone hit you with a glass bottle filled with piss your opinon of that person might sour a bit too.
My guess is that they do not post police injuries in order to keep the impression that the NYPD will not flinch in the face of the mob.
There is no need to encourage them to be even more violent with a daily list of their "accomplishments".
Posted By: Guest#7382 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 11:36 AM
I live in Spain and keep in daily contact with friends in the UK and there has been no media coverage of this in either country. Media black to prevent similar events over here i think.
Posted By: hitmanstud (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 01:05 PM
I am an NYPD officer who was injured in the line of duty by these "peaceful protesters" when I was hit by a glass bottle filled with piss. Hundreds of cops have been hurt at these demonstrations, they are anything but peaceful. These people are animals with no coherent message or demands. How can anyone support you if they don't know what you want?!
Posted By: Guest#7991 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 09:14 AM
Actually their message is pretty clear.
The fact that you call them "animals" makes me question that you were completely innocent.
That being said, I try and support police and have a lot of respect for them. None of the officers should have been injured and I hope you are ok.
I spent the last 45 min looking for something on police being injured but I couldn't find a thing. Are you guys being told to keep it quite?
Posted By: Guest#1456 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 11:07 AM
I am not the cop that wrote this but my guess is that if someone hit you with a glass bottle filled with piss your opinon of that person might sour a bit too.
My guess is that they do not post police injuries in order to keep the impression that the NYPD will not flinch in the face of the mob.
There is no need to encourage them to be even more violent with a daily list of their "accomplishments".
Posted By: Guest#7382 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 11:36 AM
I got hit with a condom full of piss at a concert, I don't think everyone at the show is an "animal"
Also, I'm not encouraging violence, and I hope I did not imply this, I'm trying to get more of his side of the story.
My gut instinct though is that he is just trolling, and not a cop at all.
Posted By: Guest#8488 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 01:10 PM
The 411 writers shit all over the tea party for having concerns about the size and scope of goverment, now here comes the sypathetic article for the people who "take" bridges. If the tea party "took" a bridge, every 411 writer would have been in here writing a hit piece. That's when they are not on their 3 month vacations. Rivett will be in tommorrow.
I found some of the demands by the Occupy Wall Street protestors
1.A living wage (socialism)
2 Single payer health care
3.Guarantted living wage reardless of employment(communism)
4.Free college education
5.End fossil fuels, alternative energy(solyndra)
6.One trillion in infrastructure(Shovel ready stimulus part 2)
7.A trillion in ecological restoration(greeners)
8. Racial and gender equal rights amendment(already have it)
9.Open Borders- Anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
10.International standards on elections
11.Debt forgiveness for ALL....everything, no, everything.
12. Outlaw credit reporting agencies
13. Union ballots
There you go. These protestors are not like Veitnam protestors. The 60s protestors are speaking out against the man, the occupy Wall Street people are speaking out FOR the man.
Start your violence, start your revolution, Throw your piss bottles, invade....we can smell you coming from a mile away.
Posted By: Guest#4229 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 01:24 PM
"We can smell you coming from a mile away"
Best line, you win
Posted By: Dan (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 02:22 PM
They are now having sanitation issues in NYC becuase of this. So in a city of over 11 million people, a couple of hundred hippies are causing health issues. At least the tea party showers and picks up after themselves. These slobs are used to mommie cleaning up after them. Like any buisness would want these dirty smelly lame asses representing their company. I laugh at the internet tough guys"its going to turn violent" Well, the president gets millions in wall street dollars for his campaigns and supported bank bailouts so are going to attack the federal goverment?
Posted By: Guest#6631 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 02:44 PM
Simple solution: shrink the government. You same dudes who rail against large corporations turn a blind eye to the very thing that feeds and sustains the incredible influence of large corporations: BIG government. People like that and their never ending call for government expansion is the giant elephant of irony in the room.
Now, can somebody please explain to me the point of Hogan faking his own retirement from a storyline perspective? I don't get it.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 02:45 PM
I am an NYPD officer who was injured in the line of duty by these "peaceful protesters" when I was hit by a glass bottle filled with piss. Hundreds of cops have been hurt at these demonstrations, they are anything but peaceful. These people are animals with no coherent message or demands. How can anyone support you if they don't know what you want?!
Posted By: Guest#7991 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 09:14 AM
Actually their message is pretty clear.
The fact that you call them "animals" makes me question that you were completely innocent.
That being said, I try and support police and have a lot of respect for them. None of the officers should have been injured and I hope you are ok.
I spent the last 45 min looking for something on police being injured but I couldn't find a thing. Are you guys being told to keep it quite?
Posted By: Guest#1456 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 11:07 AM
I am not the cop that wrote this but my guess is that if someone hit you with a glass bottle filled with piss your opinon of that person might sour a bit too.
My guess is that they do not post police injuries in order to keep the impression that the NYPD will not flinch in the face of the mob.
There is no need to encourage them to be even more violent with a daily list of their "accomplishments".
Posted By: Guest#7382 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 11:36 AM
I got hit with a condom full of piss at a concert, I don't think everyone at the show is an "animal"
Also, I'm not encouraging violence, and I hope I did not imply this, I'm trying to get more of his side of the story.
My gut instinct though is that he is just trolling, and not a cop at all.
Posted By: Guest#8488 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 01:10 PM
What an amazing coincidence that you were also hit with a receptacle filled with piss...what are the odds???
Perhaps it is you who is the troll.
Secondly don't you think it is a problem that you are comparing the protesters to concert goers?
What is next? If they riot do you tell us about the time you were coincidentally at a European Soccer game??
Posted By: Guest#3933 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 02:46 PM
Vallejo quit in life. No great loss. One less turd circling the bowl.
Posted By: Guest#3283 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 02:46 PM
If you really have a issue with private money in elections, then I expect the writer to call for the president not to spend that 1 billion he plans to in the next election. If the writer is consistent then public sector unions will also have their contributions go away. I am not holding my breath.
Posted By: Guest#9618 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 02:53 PM
It seems to me that these protestors are frusterated that the Owebama policies they agreed with that have been imlemented have not worked and the many promises about change are all bullshit. These are the same people who protested about the wars during the Bush administration who now stick their head in the sand when it comes to Owebama continuing the conflicts.
"War bad, War bad, march, chant, no war, hope and change......we are still in the wars and gitmo is still open?...Corporations bad, Wall Street bad, Bush bad"
Mindless sheep. If Romney wins, in February 2013 there will be a gigantic anti war protest in Washington DC. Guarantee it.
Posted By: Guest#8036 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 03:07 PM
The 411 writers shit all over the tea party for having concerns about the size and scope of goverment, now here comes the sypathetic article for the people who "take" bridges. If the tea party "took" a bridge, every 411 writer would have been in here writing a hit piece. That's when they are not on their 3 month vacations. Rivett will be in tommorrow.
I found some of the demands by the Occupy Wall Street protestors
1.A living wage (socialism)
2 Single payer health care
3.Guarantted living wage reardless of employment(communism)
4.Free college education
5.End fossil fuels, alternative energy(solyndra)
6.One trillion in infrastructure(Shovel ready stimulus part 2)
7.A trillion in ecological restoration(greeners)
8. Racial and gender equal rights amendment(already have it)
9.Open Borders- Anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
10.International standards on elections
11.Debt forgiveness for ALL....everything, no, everything.
12. Outlaw credit reporting agencies
13. Union ballots
There you go. These protestors are not like Veitnam protestors. The 60s protestors are speaking out against the man, the occupy Wall Street people are speaking out FOR the man.
Start your violence, start your revolution, Throw your piss bottles, invade....we can smell you coming from a mile away.
Posted By: Guest#4229 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 01:24 PM
Anybody else just realize that this guy is the same as the fake cop and the other guy defending him.
kinda a shitty thing to do dude.
Posted By: Guest#4043 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 03:10 PM
The 411 writers shit all over the tea party for having concerns about the size and scope of goverment, now here comes the sypathetic article for the people who "take" bridges. If the tea party "took" a bridge, every 411 writer would have been in here writing a hit piece. That's when they are not on their 3 month vacations. Rivett will be in tommorrow.
I found some of the demands by the Occupy Wall Street protestors
1.A living wage (socialism)
2 Single payer health care
3.Guarantted living wage reardless of employment(communism)
4.Free college education
5.End fossil fuels, alternative energy(solyndra)
6.One trillion in infrastructure(Shovel ready stimulus part 2)
7.A trillion in ecological restoration(greeners)
8. Racial and gender equal rights amendment(already have it)
9.Open Borders- Anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
10.International standards on elections
11.Debt forgiveness for ALL....everything, no, everything.
12. Outlaw credit reporting agencies
13. Union ballots
There you go. These protestors are not like Veitnam protestors. The 60s protestors are speaking out against the man, the occupy Wall Street people are speaking out FOR the man.
Start your violence, start your revolution, Throw your piss bottles, invade....we can smell you coming from a mile away.
Posted By: Guest#4229 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 01:24 PM
Anybody else just realize that this guy is the same as the fake cop and the other guy defending him.
kinda a shitty thing to do dude.
Posted By: Guest#0919 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 03:13 PM
Simple solution: shrink the government. You same dudes who rail against large corporations turn a blind eye to the very thing that feeds and sustains the incredible influence of large corporations: BIG government. People like that and their never ending call for government expansion is the giant elephant of irony in the room.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 02:45 PM
Your Crazy...blaming the not for profit government for the problems in this country is out of line with reality.
The SIMPLE SOLUTION is to not allow corporations to give money to politicians or political parties.
the REAL problem is the income disparity and the lack of areal middle class, but keep telling yourself it's because of big government.
Posted By: Guest#1652 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 03:18 PM
Many anti-capitalist pro-fed socialist panhandlers have no idea what true capitalism looks like, because the moment the government interfered with private business we've been subject to a gross amalgamation of said issue which is most accurately defined as corporatism.
The only role of government in business should be the same role of government in private life, protection of the rights of individuals and enforcement of judicial law.
Posted By: Libertarian (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 04:02 PM
"Your Crazy...blaming the not for profit government for the problems in this country is out of line with reality."
If you think the Government is truly "not for profit" you're very naive
Posted By: Guest#3776 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 04:29 PM
I posted the list and I am different than the cop. Is it that strange to you that multiple people have issues with these losers?
Posted By: Corbin (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 05:44 PM
Wall Street gave a lot more money to Obama than McCain. Goldman Sachs was one of Obamas biggest donors.
Posted By: Guest#9307 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 05:53 PM
Your Crazy...blaming the not for profit government for the problems in this country is out of line with reality.
The SIMPLE SOLUTION is to not allow corporations to give money to politicians or political parties.
the REAL problem is the income disparity and the lack of areal middle class, but keep telling yourself it's because of big government.
Posted By: Guest#1652 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 03:18 PM
Here's another big mouthed little brained commentator with the economic aptitude of a kindergartener. Sure, power, politics and money go hand in hand. And yes, if we are to avoid the corrupting influence of money, we need stronger laws governing political donations. But labeling this as the be all end all solution to regulatory corruption, shortage driving price-controls, and the inefficient consequences of a centrally planned economy is a gross under-sight. I truly wonder if any of you even ever read.
Posted By: Guest#6242 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 06:23 PM
1.A living wage (socialism)
2 Single payer health care
3.Guarantted living wage reardless of employment(communism)
4.Free college education
5.End fossil fuels, alternative energy(solyndra)
6.One trillion in infrastructure(Shovel ready stimulus part 2)
7.A trillion in ecological restoration(greeners)
8. Racial and gender equal rights amendment(already have it)
9.Open Borders- Anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
10.International standards on elections
11.Debt forgiveness for ALL....everything, no, everything.
12. Outlaw credit reporting agencies
13. Union ballots
There you go. These protestors are not like Veitnam protestors. The 60s protestors are speaking out against the man, the occupy Wall Street people are speaking out FOR the man.
Start your violence, start your revolution, Throw your piss bottles, invade....we can smell you coming from a mile away.
Posted By: Guest#4229 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 01:24 PM
Here's how we know that you're full of shit.
If a living wage = socialism, and you're against socialism, does that mean you're against people getting paid a living wage? Does that mean you believe people who work a 40 hour week should not be paid enough to make a living?
If a guarantee of a living wage is communism, and you're against communism, does that mean that if someone is legitimately unemployed (which is not beyond the pale in the current economy... if there are not jobs where you live you can't get a job), does that mean you believe they should die of starvation under a bridge?
When you morons make these idiotic ideological statements... when you buy in to the simplistic binary world that Rush Limbaugh has painted for you, you never think through the logical conclusion of where these ideas will lead. It leads to a world where you have no rights, where the constitution might as well be toilet paper for corporate bigwigs.
Posted By: Guest#5824 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 08:11 PM
Here's another big mouthed little brained commentator with the economic aptitude of a kindergartener. Sure, power, politics and money go hand in hand. And yes, if we are to avoid the corrupting influence of money, we need stronger laws governing political donations. But labeling this as the be all end all solution to regulatory corruption, shortage driving price-controls, and the inefficient consequences of a centrally planned economy is a gross under-sight. I truly wonder if any of you even ever read.
Posted By: Guest#6242 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 06:23 PM
So you agree with my premise but I'm "big mouthed" and "little brained"? really?
Price controls? You go ahead and tell people they should be paying $8 a gallon instead of $3.50 a gallon for gas...see how well that works out.
Also your idea of a "centrally planned economy" is nothing short of a joke. We don't have that currently and I'm pretty sure based on how you used in, you haven't the slightest idea what it even is. Maybe if we had one or used aspects of one we would be in better shape..as it stands now we have the complete OPPOSITE of one.
Really, before you start throwing out insults you might want to have a clue as to WTF your talking about.
Posted By: Guest#1652 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 08:11 PM
Fence in on the bridge?! I was there, the little hippy assholes were shouting "take the bridge!"
Posted By: Guest#0795 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 09:17 AM
Methinks you don't understand the meaning of the words "civil disobedience".
Posted By: Guest#0463 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 08:23 PM
Here's another big mouthed little brained commentator with the economic aptitude of a kindergartener. Sure, power, politics and money go hand in hand. And yes, if we are to avoid the corrupting influence of money, we need stronger laws governing political donations. But labeling this as the be all end all solution to regulatory corruption, shortage driving price-controls, and the inefficient consequences of a centrally planned economy is a gross under-sight. I truly wonder if any of you even ever read.
Posted By: Guest#6242 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 06:23 PM
Oh shut the fuck up.
He didn't say do nothing else, he said the entire push of the argument is wrong. The point he was making is that they are arguing to disarm any political power the government has is the solution to a problem. You just called him an idiot and then agreed with the point he made. Now tell us who is the big mouthed little brained commentator...
Posted By: Guest#3972 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 08:28 PM
The sheer size of government spending now is astounding. The bailouts, stimulus, investing in green companies, war spending, wasteful spending, welfare, Obamacare, etc... Lobbying is an unfortunate side effect of having a capitalist economy, but I'd rather take that than any of the other alternatives.
All the government spending is going to throw us into a larger scale version of Greece. We can't continue going further and further into the red with no end in sight.
It's downright scary how far in debt the country is. Aside from an across the board spending cut of 25%, I can't see any other way out. Raising taxes and blaming the wealthy isn't going to do anything in the long term scheme of things. Money will still be distributed to the vulnerables, the government will still bail out companies, and the sun will still rise in the morning.
I absolutely agree that some things are outrageously expensive. Living in Texas, the cost for a 4 year Bachelors Degree at a public university is $31,696. Add in transportation, meals, and other misc. expenses and that pushes it even higher. Can it be done without going into massive amounts of Student Loans? Absolutely, granted you either limit your course load to what you can afford and take a little longer to graduate, or achieve a financial grant or scholarship. Is it worth it? It's debatable. I'm 24 and have seen a few of my friends achieve a degree (Accounting and Psychology), and neither of them have a job in their field yet. Ultimately, it's up to each individual to research what career options are open for their respective degree of choice and what they can fall back on should those plans go awry.
It's certainly not a requirement to have a college degree to be successful in life. It's unfortunate that many high schools constantly push college as an only option instead of informing students of skilled trades or a military branch.
At the end of the day, I'm thankful to be in a career that's recession resistant, doesn't require thousands of dollars to invest in, and can be used as a stepping stone into real estate investment, home inspection, and ultimately a small business.
Posted By: James S. (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 10:03 PM
Price controls? You go ahead and tell people they should be paying $8 a gallon instead of $3.50 a gallon for gas...see how well that works out.
Also your idea of a "centrally planned economy" is nothing short of a joke. We don't have that currently and I'm pretty sure based on how you used in, you haven't the slightest idea what it even is. Maybe if we had one or used aspects of one we would be in better shape..as it stands now we have the complete OPPOSITE of one.
Really, before you start throwing out insults you might want to have a clue as to WTF your talking about.
Posted By: Guest#1652 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 08:11 PM
Just because you have no idea what I'm talking about, doesn't mean that I have no idea what I'm talking about. You numb-brained ass clown.
Posted By: Guest#3437 (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 02:55 AM
"Does that mean you believe people who work a 40 hour week should not be paid enough to make a living?"
"SHOULD" be paid? I'm sorry but did you just say "SHOULD" be paid? You wanna know how much people "SHOULD" be paid? They "SHOULD" be paid based on the value of their labor, as determined by prices. If I could get through to just one of you pretentious numbskulls I'd sleep happy, but this whole idea of "entitlements" and being "entitled" to a "living wage" is so loaded with psuedo-intellectual political rhetoric that nothing short of an economic mental enema would restore you to sanity.
How much people "SHOULD" be paid.. you gotta be kidding me. I don't know who to be more angry at, your ignorant asses for not capitalizing on the educational possibilities provided by the internet, or your mothers for not loving you enough to homeschool you and instead giving you up to be brainwashed and mindraped by our propagandist educational system.
I'm beginning to strongly suspect that you're the same asshole who honestly believed that the united states doesn't constitute as a centrally planned economy.
Here's a thought for you: people and politicians deciding how much products "SHOULD" cost and how much labor "SHOULD" cost and how many competitors "SHOULD" be allowed in any given industry and a central bank determining how much our dollars "SHOULD" be worth and how much credit "SHOULD" be available and what interest rate "SHOULD" be charged.. Oh no that's not indicative of a centrally PLANNED economy at all.
I wish you'd crawl back up into your mother's sloppy vaginas and developed a little bit more because your underdeveloped frontal lobes are embarrassing. If I were a socialist, I'd schedule you for sterilization.
Posted By: Guest#0728 (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 03:05 AM
"Price controls? You go ahead and tell people they should be paying $8 a gallon instead of $3.50 a gallon for gas...see how well that works out."
I really feel bad for you. On any other day, I'd take the time to explain to you what a price is, what costs are, and how prices are determined in an economy. But today? *middle finger* That's what I got for you buddy. Because the fact that you're selfishly irresponsible enough to forgo a popular education or even a rudimentary education in economic matters makes you an embarrassment to this society. I really hope that before you have children, or exert your influence in any way on the next generation of youth, you either wake the fuck up or pass away.
Posted By: Guest#8551 (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 03:11 AM
Oh shut the fuck up.
He didn't say do nothing else, he said the entire push of the argument is wrong. The point he was making is that they are arguing to disarm any political power the government has is the solution to a problem. You just called him an idiot and then agreed with the point he made. Now tell us who is the big mouthed little brained commentator...
Posted By: Guest#3972 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 08:28 PM
It's not my fault that I understand the issue he was raising better than he did himself. So the retarded child noticed that money is a motivator of human actions, wow give him a nobel prize! Or better yet a nice shiny sticker! Grow the fuck up. Read a damn book. Or better yet, shut your mouth and leave the economics and public policy discussions to the grown-ups with IQ's higher than their body-weight. Mm-Kay? Mm-Kay.
Posted By: Guest#1443 (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 03:16 AM
Vallejo quit in life. No great loss. One less turd circling the bowl.
Posted By: Guest#3283 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 02:46 PM
Laugh about it all you want, you weird corporate seneschal. You'll come down soon too. "At first they came for the protestors and I didn't speak because" etc.
I suppose it doesn't matter. Half the people in this country are too scared and lazy to speak up and the other half is retarded and christian enough to lynch the ones who do. Soon enough you dumb fucks will end up having to dip up your beloved Reagan to pawn the gold regalia he was buried in after minimum wage is abolished. Just watch.
Posted By: Vallejo (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 05:02 AM
Looking at these dirty hippies protesting the fact that other people have provided for themselves while they have not is typical of the entitlement class that is ruining this country. Please keep it up. Most americans do not sympathize with their talking points and see through the lefts clinging on to them as a desperate act of a party about to be thrown out of office.
Posted By: I shower (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 11:02 AM
The link below shows the police asking people to leave the bridge before arresting them..They were given every chance to walk away without being charged with any crimes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LngwTp2xvgY
NOW TELL ME I AM WRONG!!!!
So maybe Jason Douglas will retract his statement that the NYPD "Trapped and Detained" My guess is that he won't because even in the face of video evidence his ideology cannot be changed.
Posted By: Guest#0379 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 09:18 AM
If you were standing within ten feet of the cop with the bullhorn as the cameraman was, you could understand about 75% of what he said. Beyond that and over the shouting, it would have been unintelligible. Also, you still don't address how those walking on the street part of the bridge were distinguished from those on the walkway when arrests were made. Where is the footage there? It doesn't matter, because someone already dismissed the footage of those women being maced by saying "but what happened before that?".
Either way, I haven't seen cops at tea party rallies waiting for a reason to make arrests. Wonder if their tendency to pack heat has anything to do with it...
Posted By: Jason Douglas (Registered) on October 08, 2011 at 11:36 AM
Many anti-capitalist pro-fed socialist panhandlers have no idea what true capitalism looks like, because the moment the government interfered with private business we've been subject to a gross amalgamation of said issue which is most accurately defined as corporatism.
The only role of government in business should be the same role of government in private life, protection of the rights of individuals and enforcement of judicial law.
Posted By: Libertarian (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 04:02 PM
And this is why Libertarians will (thank the gods) never have real power in this country. They want to remove all that pesky government "interference" from corporations. "Interference" like safety standards, health codes, etc. They want to give more power to the only entity LESS trustworthy than the politicians.
Research what businesses were like before things like unions and government regulation and then come back and tell me if you really want things to become like that... but only worse because those bastards are even greedier and have even less morals and ethics now.
Posted By: Scott B (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 12:03 PM
I really feel bad for you. On any other day, I'd take the time to explain to you what a price is, what costs are, and how prices are determined in an economy. But today? *middle finger* That's what I got for you buddy. Because the fact that you're selfishly irresponsible enough to forgo a popular education or even a rudimentary education in economic matters makes you an embarrassment to this society. I really hope that before you have children, or exert your influence in any way on the next generation of youth, you either wake the fuck up or pass away.
Posted By: Guest#8551 (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 03:11 AM
It would have been so much quicker and easier to have just said "OK, you got me, I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about so I'm going to hurl a lot of insults at you instead."
It would have said the same thing that your long-winded piece of shit did.
Posted By: Scott B (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 01:47 PM
I know it's like banging my head against the wall to get an intelligent argument when posting to a forum, but is it too much to ask for accuracy?
Let's look at some of the demands, along with the comments:
1.A living wage (socialism)
3.Guarantted living wage reardless of employment(communism)
Someone else posted this, but I'll comment again. Businesses have the profit incentive to ensure they pay their employees as little as they can get away with. If that means their employees have to take a second job just to afford the bills, it's not their problem. And if the employees complain or go on strike, they can fire them and replace the belligerents. This is pretty much what big business did in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, leading to the national minimum wage, which hasn't kept pace with inflation.
The sad thing is that businesses are screwing themselves because if they keep holding wages down, or even ship the jobs overseas because they can hire Asian workers for even less, who are they going to get to buy their products?
5.End fossil fuels, alternative energy(solyndra)
7.A trillion in ecological restoration(greeners)
Why is it that conservatives see that every effort to protect the environment and get us thinking about an energy future as a plot to ruin the American way of life?
6.One trillion in infrastructure(Shovel ready stimulus part 2)
If the stimulus plan had actually been what it was advertised, it would have worked far better. Instead we got half of it in tax cuts, and another quarter or so just in bailing state budgets out. And even if there wans't a jobs crisis, what the hell is wrong with trying to rebuild and maintain our infrastructure? Did nobody learn a thing about the MN bridge collapse a few years ago?
8. Racial and gender equal rights amendment(already have it)
While there has been equal rights for minorities via the due process and equal rights clauses of the 14th Amendment, there are no corresponding protections for women. In the early 70's, a gender-based ERA made its way out of Congress, but with a time limit that expired before they could get ratification from all states. You can thank the conservatives for raising all sorts of holy hell about ruining marriage and opening the door for gay rights in killing this Amendment.
12. Outlaw credit reporting agencies
While this may be an extreme position, I see no reason why there should not be some checks upon these agencies, if only to ensure that we don't get a repeat of the wild speculation that contributed to the housing bubble (and its inevitable collapse).
Posted By: Michael L (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 02:47 PM
Price controls? You go ahead and tell people they should be paying $8 a gallon instead of $3.50 a gallon for gas...see how well that works out."
I really feel bad for you. On any other day, I'd take the time to explain to you what a price is, what costs are, and how prices are determined in an economy. But today? *middle finger* That's what I got for you buddy. Because the fact that you're selfishly irresponsible enough to forgo a popular education or even a rudimentary education in economic matters makes you an embarrassment to this society. I really hope that before you have children, or exert your influence in any way on the next generation of youth, you either wake the fuck up or pass away.
Posted By: Guest#8551 (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 03:11 AM
You really are clueless aren't you. The guy makes a point... a valid point about price controls and how the gas prices are controlled in this country and how the REAL COST american' should be paying are closer to $8 and THAT is what you have.
Your the clown pal
Posted By: Guest#8097 (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 04:18 PM
It's not my fault that I understand the issue he was raising better than he did himself. So the retarded child noticed that money is a motivator of human actions, wow give him a nobel prize! Or better yet a nice shiny sticker! Grow the fuck up. Read a damn book. Or better yet, shut your mouth and leave the economics and public policy discussions to the grown-ups with IQ's higher than their body-weight. Mm-Kay? Mm-Kay.
Posted By: Guest#1443 (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 03:16 AM
Your raised NO POINT AT ALL...all you did was tell him he was correct then brought up some nonsensical BS to try and make it sound like you somehow had a clue.
When he countered everything you said, you offered nothing in return but the 2 year old argument that you know better.
the reality is your a loudmouth bottom feeder who clearly has no idea what he/she is talking about, but enjoys trolling political forums so he can feel good about himself.
Posted By: Guest#4298 (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 04:21 PM
Just because you have no idea what I'm talking about, doesn't mean that I have no idea what I'm talking about. You numb-brained ass clown.
Posted By: Guest#3437 (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 02:55 AM
Actually based on your responses to me...yeah it does show you have no friggen clue what your talking about.
Your supposed to be some "know it all" but don't even know how to properly use the words you are trying to sound so smart about.
Posted By: Guest#1652 (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 04:36 PM
1.A living wage (socialism)
2 Single payer health care
3.Guarantted living wage reardless of employment(communism)
4.Free college education
5.End fossil fuels, alternative energy(solyndra)
6.One trillion in infrastructure(Shovel ready stimulus part 2)
7.A trillion in ecological restoration(greeners)
8. Racial and gender equal rights amendment(already have it)
9.Open Borders- Anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
10.International standards on elections
11.Debt forgiveness for ALL....everything, no, everything.
12. Outlaw credit reporting agencies
13. Union ballots
There you go. These protestors are not like Veitnam protestors. The 60s protestors are speaking out against the man, the occupy Wall Street people are speaking out FOR the man.
Start your violence, start your revolution, Throw your piss bottles, invade....we can smell you coming from a mile away.
Posted By: Guest#4229 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 01:24 PM
that was a PROPOSED list, and even the OccupyWallStreet.org site(which admits it's not an official site) said they do not condemn or condone this list.
Posted By: Guest#3909 (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 05:56 PM
And once again, instead of debating, examining, and trying to figure it out, people snarl, snap, rage, and point fingers at each other for being 'wrong' or 'stupid'. We're cursed to not want the truth, but to be RIGHT. And that's why we get nowhere.
Posted By: Ash (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 11:06 PM
What an amazing coincidence that you were also hit with a receptacle filled with piss...what are the odds???
Perhaps it is you who is the troll.
Secondly don't you think it is a problem that you are comparing the protesters to concert goers?
What is next? If they riot do you tell us about the time you were coincidentally at a European Soccer game??
Posted By: Guest#3933 (Guest) on October 07, 2011 at 02:46 PM
Condoms full of piss aren't really that rare at an outdoor event with almost a 100,000 people jamming to metal.
Also, I didn't compare any one to anything, reading comprehension is a good thing.
If you read the comments, I'm not the only guy who things it is fake. Also you have one guy trolling the comments by posting Fox news quips under different names, so I think it is very likely that he isn't a cop. I still haven't seen any mention of all these cops getting injured, I'm sorry but if that was true it would be all over the news.
Posted By: Guest#2509 (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 11:44 PM
And once again, instead of debating, examining, and trying to figure it out, people snarl, snap, rage, and point fingers at each other for being 'wrong' or 'stupid'. We're cursed to not want the truth, but to be RIGHT. And that's why we get nowhere.
Posted By: Ash (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 11:06 PM
you're wrong stupid.
Posted By: Guest#5961 (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 11:53 PM
And once again, instead of debating, examining, and trying to figure it out, people snarl, snap, rage, and point fingers at each other for being 'wrong' or 'stupid'. We're cursed to not want the truth, but to be RIGHT. And that's why we get nowhere.
Posted By: Ash (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 11:06 PM
you're wrong stupid.
Posted By: Guest#5961 (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 11:53 PM
No, you're wrong! When are you people going to wake up and realize that [government/corporations] just want to control every aspect of your life, and that [excessive spending on lazy people/lack of taxes on greedy rich people] is tearing this country apart?
Posted By: Some Other Guy Named Roy (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 12:13 AM
Let me get this straight...So, these brats are pissed off because they're unemployed and "the rich" are just too damned "greedy?" Aww...Hear that sound? That's me....playing the world's smallest violin.
If these kids are so concerned with finding a job, they sure aren't going about it in a very rational way. I doubt they're going to find work when they spend all their time banging on the bongos, coming up with lame chants, starting shit with the cops (then acting like poor widdle victims when they get hauled off to prison), and generally making public nuisances of themselves at their not-cute-at-all little hippy revivals.
And as far as greed goes, yeah, "the rich" want to keep what they've earned. Is that greedy? Sure it is! I'm not rich by a longshot, but if some thug tried taking my possessions, I'd be pretty pissed too. Yet, these "anti-greed" kids want to take what doesn't belong to them! They desperately what they've never done a damned thing to deserve. I'm sure at least a few of them had parents who told them that a Women's Studies or Art History degree might not be of any use in the real world, but they didn't listen. Tough luck. This type never does listen (to non-Marxists, anyway) They're nothing more than dirty leeches screaming "gimme gimme gimme!" while hypocritically bitching about "greed." They're not even anti-greed. Like I said before, they're hyper greedy. They want everything for themselves without doing any of the work.
While I find these hooligans detestable, and would likely disagree with them on 80% of the issues, my twisted side actually hopes they start amping up the thuggery. I mean REALLY start occupying places...Could you imagine if they shut down trading on Wall St. for a day? Thinking of the repercussions makes me giddy... So, wave the Red and/or Black Flag proudly for all to see. Amp up the class warfare rhetoric. Continue the old favorite of plotting to overthrow the "system." Because for all the hype the hippies still get today as this superdupermega awesome movement of peace, love and dope, their greatest contribution to American society was giving us Republican presidents for 20 out of 24 years, including the greatest of them all, Ronald Reagan. America rejected the bums en masse once before and I haven't yet lost all hope in America. I think this country still has enough good, decent people left to reject the hippy larvae just as they rejected their forefathers a few decades ago.
Posted By: Truth Teller (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 01:17 AM
And once again, instead of debating, examining, and trying to figure it out, people snarl, snap, rage, and point fingers at each other for being 'wrong' or 'stupid'. We're cursed to not want the truth, but to be RIGHT. And that's why we get nowhere.
Posted By: Ash (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 11:06 PM
And your surprised about this because? This has been common place in American history time. Hell a congressmen got beat up ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS a few years before the civil war started, all over slavery.
People have different political views that are often COMPLETE opposites and incomparable with one another, both ideologically and it seems morally as of late. it's hard to really tell what some people stand for...all you know is what they stand against.
With the 24 hour news cycle facts are even something that people think they can debate...well fox has the facts, NO msnbc has the REAL facts, no CNN has ALL the facts. You can start there as to why people are so combative and paranoid.
Maybe one of the columnists on 411 might want to take THAT on as a column. Compare the front page of each website for a month. See what the headline on each is and do an analyses and comparison. See what stories are left off the front page and what stories are more prominently displayed.
I did a study a few years ago on that exact topic for college and you would really be SHOCKED as to the results (or maybe not shocked depending on what you already think about some of these "news" organizations).
What to know why even the most basic of facts come into question, or the most basic truth's are questioned. Look no further than that. People have isolated themselves into their little news bubble and don't here (and in many cased don't want to here) anything else going on outside of it.
Posted By: Jake (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 01:37 AM
their greatest contribution to American society was giving us Republican presidents for 20 out of 24 years, including the greatest of them all, Ronald Reagan. America rejected the bums en masse once before and I haven't yet lost all hope in America. I think this country still has enough good, decent people left to reject the hippy larvae just as they rejected their forefathers a few decades ago.
Posted By: Truth Teller (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 01:17 AM
What a surprise, 20 out of 24 years and we wonder why this country is in the shape its in. Reagen you of course know by now raised taxes on people right? You do know government spending was at one of its highest levels when he was in office right?
Isn't that what republicans are fighting about now...yet HE is the best ever? You want to blame the liberals, hippies or whatever snide word of the day is for them, yet look at the policies of these republican presidents.
In the past 30 years the biggest years of growth for everyone was under Clinton, that isn't debatable at all.
Someone mentioned this in another comment section before but the top 3 presidents to grow the economy as a % of gdp in this countries history have all been democrats.
As it's been said here and it seems you don't understand it all, but the strength of any society ins the middle class and the income gap in thus country has skewed badly. Is this because people aren't "working hard" or are "hippies"...of course not. It's because corporate greed, government cronyism, lobbyists, and bad economic policies for the last 10 years among other things is the reason for it.
But if you would like to blame the "hippies" go right ahead, because after all they have so much power in this country it MUST be their fault right?
Posted By: really? (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 08:37 AM
Posted By: Truth Teller (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 01:17 AM
Do yourself a favour, before you speak down to these "brats" from your ivory tower. Google "we are the 99%". You should find a tumblr website as the top hit.
Read the handwritten pieces of paper these people are holding up to their webcams. Read more than one. At the time I write this, there are over 600 posts, and by the time you get there there will be more.
Read the stories. Realise that playing bongos in the park is not the first thing these kids did to find a job. It is far from the last. This was the first thing they did that made people sit up and pay attention to what they are going through.
You may talk about it being greed to "keep there money", but realise that they sink an awful lot of their money in to removing democracy from the system. The Koch brothers have millions of dollars into gaming the system so they don't have to pay more tax.
As for Wall Street, realise that they gamed the system, and they lost. They lost big and it created this economic shit storm that the rest of us, the 99%, now suffer through. Not one of them went to jail despite repeated evidence that they fucked over laws, and the laws they didn't break they paid to change. Yet you're complaining about these "hippies" in the park, realise that more of them have been arrested for misdemeanors than Wall Street suffered for outright criminal acts.
As for all you assholes claiming there a plots of violence... I'm sitting here shocked that there has been so little violence. Repeated documentation of police abusing their powers and still so few, but of course Roseanne Barr makes some stupid statements on Television and suddenly she's the violent leader of the group... I smell horse shit... and I smell it repeatedly.
I read a lot about how violent and demented the crowd are, but I read it a lot from the demented right... and nobody can document the evidence... and certainly no where near the evidence of brutality coming from the police. Again, if this is so true, that these are violent socialists promising a violent revolution, where is the evidence? A Roseanne Barr interview? Are you FUCKING kidding me? Some kid in a Adam Kokesh video? This is your evidence?
Guys, we spotted GUNS in the Tea-Party Crowds, but these kids playing bongos are what you are scared of? Get a fucking grip on reality and stop listening to people who have a financial interest in being scared.
Posted By: Ray Church (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 08:40 AM
Posted By: Truth Teller (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 01:17 AM
And these children that you spit on
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
They're quite aware of what they're going through
Posted By: David Bowie (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 08:54 AM
It's not my fault that I understand the issue he was raising better than he did himself. So the retarded child noticed that money is a motivator of human actions, wow give him a nobel prize! Or better yet a nice shiny sticker! Grow the fuck up. Read a damn book. Or better yet, shut your mouth and leave the economics and public policy discussions to the grown-ups with IQ's higher than their body-weight. Mm-Kay? Mm-Kay.
Posted By: Guest#1443 (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 03:16 AM
Wait, the entire press of your argument is "you're stupid and I'm smart"? Do you realise how fucking stupid that makes you sound?
Posted By: Guest#8054 (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 08:58 AM
Ray Church,
You have a issue with the Koch brothers but you frequently source George Soros front groups. You should be aware that Soros lost yet another appeal on insider trading. Soros has gotten rich off currency manipulation, yet is a hero of the left.
You bring up guns being seen at the Tea Party. There was a black man carrying, so what? Permit? Check. BY the way, you saw that on your favorite network MSNBC where they only showed his hip and hiding his skin color. Contessa Brewer then said the gun was becuase of racism. Maybe the black guy hates himself or Contessa is a race baiting, lying, bitch.
Go ahead and protest Wall Street, they gave more money to Obama than any other candidate in 2008. Protest against Goldman Sachs who was Obamas biggest donor. Protest against bank bailout Obama supported. Protest against GE who payed no taxes and wants more kickbacks while their CEO has a office down the hall from your god. By the way, most of these hippies want Obama re-elected. In fact, they want Obama to double down on the size and scope of goverment. Weren't these the same guys who were marching against the war the entire Bush administration who are no where to be found when Obama continued the wars and kept Gitmo open?
Come on, call me a racist now. Tell everyone the tea party is responsible for Giffords shooting becuase of their tone. How is the hippies tone?
I think the guy that clowns you in here has you nailed dead th rights.
Posted By: He might come back (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 12:49 PM
One topic that I'd like to see covered on this site is why the cost of college has skyrocketed over the past 30 years.
The traditional means of social mobility -- education -- has become a millstone around the necks of an entire generation.
By the time I finish grad school, I will have accumulated over 70k in debt. I don't expect to get a job, or to make enough money to own a home or start a family.
Perhaps the anger of these kids is misplaced, if we reject the premise that "Wall Street" fat cats are to blame for the ecomomic malaise. But they certainly have a right to be angry. Wouldn't you?
What else should they have done? Started a small business only to see it trampled by a corporation?
Posted By: CMS (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 12:56 PM
Go ahead and protest Wall Street, they gave more money to Obama than any other candidate in 2008. Protest against Goldman Sachs who was Obamas biggest donor. Protest against bank bailout Obama supported. Protest against GE who payed no taxes and wants more kickbacks while their CEO has a office down the hall from your god. By the way, most of these hippies want Obama re-elected. In fact, they want Obama to double down on the size and scope of goverment. Weren't these the same guys who were marching against the war the entire Bush administration who are no where to be found when Obama continued the wars and kept Gitmo open?
Come on, call me a racist now. Tell everyone the tea party is responsible for Giffords shooting becuase of their tone. How is the hippies tone?
I think the guy that clowns you in here has you nailed dead th rights.
Posted By: He might come back (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 12:49 PM
And all of this changes the fact that wall street has pillaged this nation and taken advantage of lax laws by both parties how?
Just another guy with his pom poms out playing sides and not actually caring about their country.
Posted By: Guest#4673 (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 02:05 PM
These pieces of crap are just costing the cities millions of dollars they cant afford. They will change NOTHING and will be forgotten about in a few months time. Get over it people, life goes on and you are not important enough to change the world but making crappy looking signs
Posted By: JHV (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 02:42 PM
These pieces of crap are just costing the cities millions of dollars they cant afford. They will change NOTHING and will be forgotten about in a few months time. Get over it people, life goes on and you are not important enough to change the world but making crappy looking signs
Posted By: JHV (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 02:42 PM
Good thing the the colonists didn't feel that way...we would be singing god save the queen and wouldn't be having this conversation.
Good to see American's still have their sense of revolution and not standing for the status quo huh there bud?
Posted By: Guest#5361 (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 05:16 PM
Come on, call me a racist now. Tell everyone the tea party is responsible for Giffords shooting becuase of their tone. How is the hippies tone?
I think the guy that clowns you in here has you nailed dead th rights.
Posted By: He might come back (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 12:49 PM
I fail to see why you think that liberals in any way approve of Obama having received millions of dollars in donations for corporations.
And by the way, since the only person who has ever mentioned "tone" and Giffords is the one who constantly trolls Ray, I can only assume that this person is you.
If so, for as often as you post, you should consider submitting an article.
Posted By: CMS (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 06:29 PM
So the left is calling for a revolution? What you want to overthrow the federal goverment with Obama is charge? Go ahead.....and the tea party is anti american and racist?
Posted By: Guest#2609 (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 06:47 PM
Posted By: He might come back (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 12:49 PM
Sigh... Grant, is that you again, Troll. In that case, you are a racist. Not all conservatives or all commentators... just you.
OK, now that's out of the way.. a response.
Cite where I quoted a "Soros front group" or shut up. It's impossible to debunk these insane conspiracy theories if you don't actually name the conspiracy.
The Tea Party only had one person carrying a gun and I saw it on MSNBC? Funny, I seem to remember that one being a bearded white guy in a cowboy hat, so I don't know where you got one white guy from. I was referencing things like the Michigan Open Carry march in 2010 or the New Mexico activists who encouraged tea party members to carry guns to an Obama event in January 2010.
And again, if you don't know my record on this, the Tea Party was a legitimate movement when it began, but it was usurped by the Republican Party. This is why the single biggest determining factor of whether you are in the Tea Party today is whether you were a Republican under George Bush.
As for Obama, biggest recipient, you seem to have confused me with somebody else. I'm a progressive, not a Democrat. I vote and support Obama only because he is the lesser of two evils in a dualistic system. I have the choice to vote for the Joker or Cthulhu, so I'm not voting for the one who is going to devour the world. I will stick up for him when he is the victim of a disinformation campaign, like the Healthcare Bill contains Death Panels (this is Grant, right?) or denies he was born in the USA (again, if this is Grant, have you apologised for pushing this bullshit yet?)
These kids invested their hearts into Obama, and they got a Republican, but when the choice is between moderate Republican and crazy right wing Republican, you're suggesting they do what exactly? Start cheering executions and booing gay soldiers?
Posted By: Ray Church (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 07:28 PM
"Good thing the the colonists didn't feel that way...we would be singing god save the queen and wouldn't be having this conversation."
How dare you compare these scrawny socialist fags to the American Revolutionaries..
Posted By: Guest#5442 (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 08:54 PM
End The Fed!
Posted By: President Paul (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 11:08 PM
Wow...some of the commentary here reminds me when some people try to justify rape by blaming the victim. "She dressed like slut...she had it coming."
Posted By: Guest#8824 (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 12:23 AM
To my critics....
Yeah, Reagan was forced to raise taxes. He also dramatically lowered them on two occasions. (70% to 28%, baby!) I said he was our greatest president. I didn't say he was perfect. Reagan got the ball rolling. That's why we revere him. In fact, Mr. Reagan's movement might just be the most successful revolutionary movement America has seen since the founding of our great nation. Basically, Reagan changed the game. He could be surpassed in greatness one day and I anxiously await the dawn of an even brighter "Morning In America."
I'm not anti-government and I'm no more an anarchist than the self-proclaimed anarchists at the current center of our political theater. Government DOES need to do some things. It's just that redistributing wealth and handicapping business aren't among them. While I support abolishing all sorts of government programs, I believe some are essential to the continued success of the American experiment. I don't think this is a radical idea. And the military is near the top of the list. Mr. Reagan built up our military in order to win the Cold War. Communism was (and may yet again become) the greatest disturber of order and peace in the world. Reagan spent a lot of money in order to win the Cold War, and for nearly two decades, we thought that's exactly what he accomplished. It turns out that Reagan's policies did indeed lead to the demise of the Evil Empire. Unfortunately, the Cold War didn't end there. As the Occupiers (I really do need to do a rant on that name next) are showing us, the Cold War isn't over. The battlefield just shifted. We're now fighting it on our very own soil. It's sad. Conservatives continue to win both at home and abroad, but the war continues. Perhaps it always will....
Clinton was in the right place at the right time with the rise of the internet. To his credit, he didn't go regulation crazy on it. For that, I applaud him. I'm far from a Clinton hater btw. The far left has more contempt for Slick Willie than I ever could.
LMFAO at all these "Tea Party are violent extremists!!1!" people. How many mass arrests were there at Tea Party rallies? None that I'm aware of. These OWS goons are filling jail cells quicker than you can say "Eat The Rich!" The two protest movements are like night and day. I went to two Tea Party rallies in 2010. I've watched some OWS footage. You're comparing decent, law-abiding citizens to thuggish (often self-proclaimed)anarchists. Tea Partiers were encouraged to clean up after themselves. OWS folks are all about trashing property. The greatest sins of the Tea Partiers appear to be (legally) carrying guns (oh noes!) and the occasion politically incorrect sign or occasional outlandish comment.
Posted By: Guest#0077 (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 12:31 AM
So the left is calling for a revolution? What you want to overthrow the federal goverment with Obama is charge? Go ahead.....and the tea party is anti american and racist?
Posted By: Guest#2609 (Guest) on October 09, 2011 at 06:47 PM
Wait, so then these arent just a bunch of kids with no coherent message? Now they represent the entire "left" of American politics? Wow. I missed that article.
Furthermore, I find the fact that they are demonstrating while Obama is in office commendable. Where exactly was the Tea Party when Bush signed TARP into law? They didn't decide to start protesting until Obama was in office.
Further-furthermore, the strawman argument that since some members of the media have pointed toward racist elements within the Tea Party movement, any critiques of far-right conservatism are invalid is shallow and pedantic.
Have some members of "the left" unfairly branded the Tea Party as imbred racists? Certainly. Much the same way members of "the right" stereotyped war-protestors as lazy, socialists who hate America, and continue to do so now with the kids protesting Wall Street.
What I want to know, is from a conservative viewpoint, why is it a good thing to protest the government bailing out businesses that were predatory, broke the law, and deserved to fail -- but it is a bad thing to protest the businesses in question?
Posted By: CMS (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 12:55 AM
More...
I've read the testimonials. First thought was, "How much is Soros paying these folks?" Second thought was, "Hmm, I still don't really know how sharing a sob story on the internet is going to help these folks find a job." Third thought, "How poor can they be if they clearly own a phone/camera, computer and have internet access?" Fourth thought...Nah, I'll move on. I think you get my point.
I don't want to see people out of work. It's not good for anyone. But as I said before, all these antics aren't helping these folks find jobs. Neither is the '99 weeks of welfare!' policies of the current administration.
I was briefly unemployed a few years ago when my workplace went out of business. After some living off my savings while trying to find good work, I ended up taking a shitty $9/hr job in a grocery store deli for a few months before I found something better. Now I make more than I ever did before. It really isn't THAT hard to find work. These folks just act like they're above doing something like I did or working at Walmart/McDonald's. They'd much rather throw a hissy fit and collect their unemployment for 99 weeks before seriously trying to find work. I'm sure some of these folks are good people in bad situations, but many of them really are entitled brats. As the bloated welfare state has proven time and time again, dependency breeds more dependency. The OWSers are as dependent as it gets.
The Koch Brothers are job creators, philanthropists, producers and general all-around great Americans. They're contributing to political figures who they feel will help them and their business....just like myself and millions of other Americans do. How is this a bad thing? What's the argument here? People shouldn't contribute to politicians? I dropped 2K in the 2010 election cycle and I'll probably drop even more in 2012. I'm sure at least some of you leftists have contributed before. Exactly what, aside from being right of center, is so vile about the Brothers Koch? Unlike Soros, they never said that bringing down America would be the crowning achievement of their life's work or admitted to having to temper their messianic tendencies. Basically, it seems to me that it's sheer jealousy, envy and hatred of all things right that causes the hatred of all things Koch. Personally, I have a huge man crush on them. They're in the running for "Greatest Living Americans"
"Obama is a Republican!1!!" is my favorite far left meme ever. Independents are already fleeing in droves. The far left fringe claiming he's not liberal enough(!) is music to my ears.
Obama (D) has presided under the worst jobs economy since FDR (D) during the Great Depression. What's that about "Republicans are bad for the economy!" again?
Posted By: Truth Teller (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 01:20 AM
"Furthermore, I find the fact that they are demonstrating while Obama is in office commendable. Where exactly was the Tea Party when Bush signed TARP into law? They didn't decide to start protesting until Obama was in office."
There may not have been a Tea Party yet (although Ron Paul fans would argue) but plenty of right-leaning people were angry with Bush over TARP. No way his approval rating would go all the way down to the 20% range without a lot of former Bush supporters abandoning their man. I know because I was one of them.
Since you want to play this game, just where did all those anti-war protesters go in 2009-2010?
"What I want to know, is from a conservative viewpoint, why is it a good thing to protest the government bailing out businesses that were predatory, broke the law, and deserved to fail -- but it is a bad thing to protest the businesses in question?"
My problem with the bailouts were that I saw them as an affront to the free market. Many of them really did deserve to fail. As for the rest, you'll need to be more specific as to what businesses and crimes you're referring. My tentative response is simply that running a business poorly isn't illegal.
Posted By: Truth Teller (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 01:53 AM
I've read the testimonials. First thought was, "How much is Soros paying these folks?" Second thought was, "Hmm, I still don't really know how sharing a sob story on the internet is going to help these folks find a job." Third thought, "How poor can they be if they clearly own a phone/camera, computer and have internet access?" Fourth thought...Nah, I'll move on. I think you get my point.
I don't want to see people out of work. It's not good for anyone. But as I said before, all these antics aren't helping these folks find jobs.
Posted By: Truth Teller (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 01:2
Your first response shows that you are a shallow callous troll of a man who, if I had the ill fortune of having to listen to rabble on at a party, I would probably have to find some reason to excuse myself and vomit in the sink.
Your second response is downright idiotic, because for the first time in a decade we're talking about the problems of the working and middle classes. You want to know what is going to solve their problem? Political, economic, social and media pressure on the problem.
Your third response shows how out of touch you are with the modern world. A computer is a sign they're too affluent to be poor? What are they going to do, pawn it for a couple of dollars so they no longer have access to modern necessities? How many job application ads do you see now that say "email your application"? Pretty much all of them, you idiot. Computers have become as vital to your place in the modern world as the telephone once did.
So yeah, keep telling yourself that there is no problem for people to find a job out there when there are 25 million people out of work at the moment. You're going to tell me there are 25 million people who are just too lazy to look for a job?
Rule number one to all those strawman pushing idiots on the board, the people pointing to Tyler Perry and saying "look he did it" or quoting their own good luck stories: The statistics show that you are wrong.
Those stories are the exception, not the rule, and I could quote those statistics from today until the messiah returns and it wouldn't make a dent in your bullet proof ideological bubbles. You partisan hacks have become so fundamentally knee-jerk that it doesn't matter what evidence we show you.
The only explanation I have are cold callous hearts.
Posted By: Ray Church (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 03:59 AM
perhaps the protestors would like to go to North Korea. They are free from the evils of capitalism.
Posted By: guest (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 09:10 AM
NOW TELL ME I AM WRONG!!!!
If you were standing within ten feet of the cop with the bullhorn as the cameraman was, you could understand about 75% of what he said. Beyond that and over the shouting, it would have been unintelligible. Also, you still don't address how those walking on the street part of the bridge were distinguished from those on the walkway when arrests were made. Where is the footage there? It doesn't matter, because someone already dismissed the footage of those women being maced by saying "but what happened before that?".
Either way, I haven't seen cops at tea party rallies waiting for a reason to make arrests. Wonder if their tendency to pack heat has anything to do with it...
Posted By: Jason Douglas (Registered) on October 08, 2011 at 11:36 AM
Jason this is one of your weakest arguments that I have ever read…
Let me explain the Brooklyn Bridge you. Close to the entrance of the bridge there is a 5 foot gate separating the road from the walk. This is the first way to distinguish who is or is not on the walkway. If you are on correct side of the gate you are fine But wait there is more…as you walk down the bridge it leads quickly up about 20 feet over the road right down the center of the bridge giving people a beautiful view of our city unobstructed from traffic. From this point of the bridge it is PAINFULLY EASY to distinguish who is on the road and who is on the walk. Here is where you say “Well the occupy people were probably arrested right at the beginning of the bridge where the cops could pull people over the 5 foot wall” To that I submit this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fockzr7rXys
Note that the protesters are very far along the bridge. Also note that the angle is actually from above and in some instances you can see the people looking down from the walk way. Finally and most importantly NOTE THE UTTER LACK OF POLICE BRUTALITY. As for the announcement I think it is clear that people blocking traffic on the Brooklyn Bridge is illegal so common sense should also play a part here.
Here is the moral of the story if you want to make a message with civil disobedience it is not a message unless there is a consequence suffered. Martin Luther King would not have gotten very far if he sat at that lunch counter and was only served a hearty breakfast. Do you realize that protesters in the middle east literally are staring DEATH in the eye when they protest. THAT IS A REAL MESSAGE! Instead these whiney kids are crying that they are being “brutalized” because their zip restraints are too tight and that they were dragged after they refused to walk.
So here we are again…I have presented you with video evidence to the contrary of your “Trap and Detain” theory yet you are blinded by your ideology.
Posted By: Guest#7178 (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 10:05 AM
Since you want to play this game, just where did all those anti-war protesters go in 2009-2010?
My problem with the bailouts were that I saw them as an affront to the free market. Many of them really did deserve to fail. As for the rest, you'll need to be more specific as to what businesses and crimes you're referring. My tentative response is simply that running a business poorly isn't illegal.
Posted By: Truth Teller (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 01:53 AM
Exactly! There was a report published demonstrating that after Obama was elected, the number of/attendance at anti-war rallies plummeted. Why? I think the easiest answer is that the vast majority of protestors -- moderate Americans -- were playing politics. "Us v Them" mentality at work. It wouldn't suprise me, should the Republicans win the POTUS, to see a similar pattern with the Tea Party.
I readily admit that I cannot list specific laws which were broken in the course of the bailouts. This suprises me given that Obama supposedly has several 'lawbreakers' within his inner circle. I do not believe, however, that this invalidates the question as to why it is alright to protest the President for giving these businesses money, but not protest the businesses themselves.
As for your notes on history, I believe you are grossly over-simplifying things. Lech Walesa, Gorbachev, and John Paul II had huge roles in bringing down the Soviet Union. Besides, if we were to examine the Union from a free-market pespective, their economy was bound to fail given enough time. I believe Regan simply (and wisely) leaned on an already sinking turd with billions in defense dollars.
Furthermore, I believe that to insinuate that the Cold War -- which threatened the entire world with nuclear death -- is now being carried out IN THIS COUNTRY is WAY BEYOND the Tea Party being accused of racism.
However, the point I'd like to focus on in the notion that Government should not be redistributing wealth. For me, the question is, where do we draw the line? Clearly, too much interference will stiffle economic development. However, how much longer can wealth be accumulated by the 1% before the rest of us -- you and me -- are forced to work 70 hours a week without insurance (without increasingly expensive medical care) just to get by?
And, thanks for offering answers to my questions. I look forward to your response.
Posted By: CMS (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 11:25 AM
To Ray Church,
Why so angry whenever Soros is brought up when you folks bring up the Kochs all the time? Why is Soros (Who is Wall St. to the core and makes no secret of his contempt for America) good, and the Kochs (job creators and philanthropists who just want to be left alone) bad?
I don't know where you've been, but people have been talking about the plight of the unemployed/underemployed nonstop for the past few years. The right-wing media is constantly bringing up the high unemployment numbers. One thing the right and left can actually agree on, is that nobody thinks the number is good. The MSM constantly brings it up as well. They also seems to show at least one human interest story per day. It's a pretty big topic on the leftwing blogs I force myself to peruse from time to time too. Doesn't sound like they were ever ignored to me....
Now I personally think businesses being left alone so they can create jobs and hire people will help solve the problem. A bunch of rabble rousers saying "Hire us, or else!"...not so much.
You say that having cell phones, computers, internet access, etc. are minimum requirements for today's society. I won't argue that, but I will say, provided you find these things "good", as I do, that having these modern conveniences shows that, in some ways at least, many of "the poor" are living better than "the rich" did not so long ago. Thank you, capitalist innovation!
I don't think we have 25 million lazy people in the US, but I have no doubt that some of those people would rather rabble rouse than work. I'm not arrogant enough to invent a percentage out of thin air, but I imagine the number is greater than you'd care to admit.
Furthermore, I think that these kids may well be hurting their own cause. If I'm a business owner, I'd think long and hard before hiring someone whose endgame seems to be bringing down the very system that has enabled me to be successful.
Another inconvenient truth is that the Tyler Perry types DO exist, just as they always have in American society. You leftists seem to hate the fact that some people really do bring themselves up from poverty because it doesn't jibe with YOUR partisan ideology.
You called us callous and cold hearted multiple times. Do you not understand that we want people working?! Do you really think we sit around reading the Wall St. Journal all day and twirl our mustaches when we see the latest pathetic unemployment numbers? I'll say this one more time so it sinks in, WE WANT PEOPLE WORKING!
This president scared the producers from the get go by merely talking about implementing left wing policies. The OWS folks want even more radical left-wing crap and I think it's going to bite them in the ass, big time.
Posted By: Guest#8185 (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 11:33 AM
This situation is pretty complex - but I'd like to throw out a few ideas.
1) The answer is NOT to take away freedoms and liberties.
2) The organizers of the protests have different goals than the protesters in the organization.
3) The problem in our country is NOT capitalism. The freedom of capitalism is a motivator that helps push our country, ecconomy and culture forward. And the problem is not wealth, or the accumulation of it. To answer the simple question of why 1% accumulate the wealth, it is the federal reserve. That system, which promotes inflation and allows those with money to get more of the money is a system that removes choice, and focuses monetary power to a few. The federal reserve is NOT a system of capatilism. It is a system that allows a very few people to keep power over the money in our country, and in the world.
4) The people who are protesting don't want equality of opportunity. They want to force their idea of what is "fair" on others.
5) The organizers of the protests want to collapse capitalism. However, the organizers of the protest have benefited from capitalism and the federal reserve, making their money and gaining their influence through it directly or indirectly. Now they want to collapse the system but keep their power intact.
6) The answer to this situation is not more government, but less. It is not to look to government to solve the problems. Government IS the problem. It is not to take away freedoms and liberties, but preserve them.
Posted By: Stephen (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 02:29 PM
If the tea party is racist then Occupy Wall Street people certainly are anti semitic. You will not see it on MSNBC though.
Drug dealing, defecating on police cars, the stench in general of historic purportions, people fucking in public, sanitation concerns, threats of cyper attacks, people getting punched in the face, calls for socialism, shutting down museums, etc.
Meanwhile the tea party read from the constitution and cleaned up after themselves.
Posted By: Guest#4538 (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 03:19 PM
Ray Church using a "knee jerk" blast is comical seeing he came on here and blamed the Giffords shooting on the tea party becuase of their tone when the shooter turned out to be a communist manifesto fan. Hey, call me a racist now.
That is sort of fun, sorry for the other Ray Church for invading your territory.
Posted By: 5 time (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 03:31 PM
If the tea party is racist then Occupy Wall Street people certainly are anti semitic. You will not see it on MSNBC though.
Drug dealing, defecating on police cars, the stench in general of historic purportions, people fucking in public, sanitation concerns, threats of cyper attacks, people getting punched in the face, calls for socialism, shutting down museums, etc.
Meanwhile the tea party read from the constitution and cleaned up after themselves.
Posted By: Guest#4538 (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 03:19 PM
Wait... did you just insinuate that all people on Wall Street are jews? I think you don't quite understand what Anti-Semetic is....
Posted By: Guest#4957 (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 07:10 PM
Why so angry whenever Soros is brought up when you folks bring up the Kochs all the time? Why is Soros (Who is Wall St. to the core and makes no secret of his contempt for America) good, and the Kochs (job creators and philanthropists who just want to be left alone) bad?
You want an answer? Check out the Koch brothers in the news right now. Google Koch, Iran and check the news section. Philanthropists my ass.
Posted By: Guest#8206 (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 07:30 PM
Posted By: Guest#8185 (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 11:33 AM
You misunderstand why I got angry at the Soros comment. That was something Grant does regularly: make a sweeping statement that it becomes impossible to debunk because you have no idea of anything specific he was referring to. The anger is at Grant, not because of Soros.
But to respond to the "what's the difference between Soros and Koch", I guess this is an easy thing to point to and say "look, they're equivalents".
But here are the realities between the two. If you look at the issues they fund, they are two very different agendas, and you might just say it's their political allegiance, but its not. If you look at what Soros invests heavily in (climate science, economic equality, education, drug policy reform, healthcare, human rights) these are issues that are detrimental to his bottom line. He does not benefit personally from this funding, so it is philanthropy by definition.
What the Koch's invest in cannot be seen as philanthropy, except their small scale personal donations to the American Ballet and the like. The vast majority of their money is dedicated to institutions that directly benefit their own personal wealth, such as climate science denial (they run an energy company), tax policy (focused on decreasing their own tax burden, deregulation. It's not philanthropy if you, directly, benefit from the outcome.
Now as for the Koch Brothers being job creators, you're still buying into trickle down economics. You claim that the Koch Brothers are job creators is noble, but the facts are not as impressive. The Koch Brothers nearly doubled their corporate profits over the last four years, but decreased their workforce by 20%. It's not rocket science to see that their interests have become decoupled from your interests. I'm not singling them out, because it is this trend, higher profits, lower employment, that is being seen all over the corporate map.
I don't know how you interpreted the protests as being "hire us or else". Seems to me that they're protesting this "you get richer, make higher profits, and we get shafted, what's up with that?"
There are measures as to how much economic mobility there is, so lets test your claim about Tyler Perry. Absolute income inequality has increased dramatically in the last decade (actually, last 3, thanks to the so called greatest president...). The US has much lower relative mobility than most other developed nations. US economic mobility is approximately 1/3 that of countries like Norway, Denmark and Canada. Productivity has increased dramatically in those same 30 years, people simply do much more for less pay. We can debate cell phones and computers, but these are relatively small costs in the big picture (like, say housing).
Posted By: Ray Church (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 08:33 PM
Posted By: 5 time (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 03:31 PM
I admitted I was wrong on that. You see Grant admitting the legions of things he got wrong (say the death panels, the birth certificate...?)
No?
Then go away, troll.
Posted By: Guest#1987 (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 08:35 PM
To Ray Church,
I used Koch vs. Soros as an example because they're the most famous money men on the right and left. I am well aware of the differences.
Koch Industries employ approximately 50,000 Americans. I believe they employ more Kansans than any other US company. How many Americans does Soros employ?
In addition to the ballet, Koch Industries have donated to the Special Olympics, Red Cross, Salvation Army and numerous disaster relief efforts. Oh, and PBS. I know you libs love PBS! It's even a guilty pleasure of mine!
Let's dig a little deeper into what Soros has donated too...
Climate Change- Soros is among the worst enviro-statists out there. He favors job killing regulations of industry
Education- Leftists have wanted to take over the US education system since at least the days of John Dewey. Unfortunately, they've largely succeeded :( Rejoice! The near total takeover of the education system is one of the left's great triumphs. I doubt I could make it through a Soros approved textbook without tearing my hair out.
Economic Equality- A great turn of phrase. I'll give you folks credit when it's due. What this really means, is FORCED economic equality. Basically, keeping people equal by hatchet, axe and saw, if I may quote one of the greatest bands to ever walk this earth. This is basically the endgame of the far left. The life saving doctor and janitor make the same amount of money. I'm no hater of the janitor of course, but should they really be making as much as say, a heart surgeon?
Drug Reform is one of the handful of issues I can agree with the left on. I think the drug prohibition is absurd. The War on Drugs is nearly as much a failure as the War on Poverty. And btw, quite a few Koch funded organizations aren't shy in calling for drug reform.
You didn't mention it, but I'll add 'Open Borders' as a Soros pet project. I support enforcing the borders. Soros hugely encourages this affront to national sovereignty. When a nation no longer has borders, it soon ceases to become a nation. Soros' endgame scares me....
Furthermore, the 'great philanthropist', Soros, broke the Bank of England, costing millions of people their life savings...and BRAGGED ABOUT IT! It's also very probable that he helped out the FUCKING NAZIS!
He's also a hypocrite. It goes back to the Rich/Koch Brothers wanting to keep what is theirs, while Soros, vile man that he is, wants to destroy the very system that has enabled him to be successful.
I've long thought 'good and evil' are subjective terms, but Soros is as close to my def. of pure evil as any major figure in this country. I utterly loathe the man and much of what he stands for.
I'll get back to the other stuff (and CMS') comments tomorrow.
Posted By: Truth Teller (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 11:53 PM
Occupy Boston just got raided in the middle of the night, after they kicked out the media. As the police say, if you have nothing to hide...
For those of you that think this is a partisan thing, one of the the founders of the Tea party (Varley) was there last night.
Hippies are there, the tea party is there, republicans are there, democrats are there, veterans are there, soldiers are there, college kids are there, and college grads are there, moms are there, Christians are there, atheists are there.
The place could be another circle jerk for "my team is better cuz" or you guys could actually take a serious look at what is happening.
Posted By: Guest#0862 (Guest) on October 11, 2011 at 06:05 AM
Occupy Boston just got raided in the middle of the night, after they kicked out the media. As the police say, if you have nothing to hide...
For those of you that think this is a partisan thing, one of the the founders of the Tea party (Varley) was there last night.
Hippies are there, the tea party is there, republicans are there, democrats are there, veterans are there, soldiers are there, college kids are there, and college grads are there, moms are there, Christians are there, atheists are there.
The place could be another circle jerk for "my team is better cuz" or you guys could actually take a serious look at what is happening.
Posted By: Guest#0862 (Guest) on October 11, 2011 at 06:05 AM
For Ray Church, CMS, Truth Teller(really dude, you're going to rock this name?), I think you should stop trying to win the My side is better argument...Soros vs Koch who cares? Really? Jesse Jackson isn't the king of black people and those two aren't the king of what ever party they supposedly represent....and read the above comment, when you are done, read it again, then a third time until it sinks in that this protest is about more then just one side of the spectrum, and it is more then just one group. You should stop fighting over who's team is better like a bunch of little kids and start fighting for the team that means something, and the team we are all on.
The guy that posted this comment gets it.
Posted By: Me (Guest) on October 11, 2011 at 09:31 AM
Posted By: Truth Teller (Guest) on October 10, 2011 at 11:53 PM
Let's talk about what you said here, specifically Education and Economic Equality.
First, would you like to give some examples of how education has become left wing? Aside from that catch phrase being pumped into people's head by certain politcal pundits, any real examples?
If you want to cite the fact that education is no longer white-anglo saxon centric, well I wouldn't call that a "left-wing" hijacking of education. Truth be told, the only Hijacking of history books that you can cite in the last 10-15 years has been what has happened down with the Texas school board recently.
As far as your comment on Economic Equality. You seem to be either misunderstanding, or deliberatly changing what the arguement is about. No sane person on the right or left would argue that a janitor should make as much as a doctor. These types of isinuations and fabruications of the issue do nothing but ignore what the issues are.
The real issue, is the idea that the middle class is vanishing from this country. This is not something that should really be a right vs left issue. It is an economic fact in this country that the income gap has grown between the top percent and the lowest percent and the middle class is all but gone in this country.
The arguement is, people should be able to work hard and be able to support their family. Forbes magazine did a story I'm sure you can find where it found the average male workers salary has risen a TOTAL of $165 a year between 1972 and 2010. So in 1972 the average male salary was $47,550 and today in 2010 it was $47,715. All of this while costs have risen almost everywhere for those in the middle class. Housing has skyrocketed since 72', as had almost everything else (including education, health care, groceries, utilities, you name it)
Meanwhile the same cannot be said for the richest in this counry who have are making in some cases over 100% more than they did in 1972. This is something that shouldn't be a political issue, this is something that right and left should be able to come together on. The middle class of any country is how that countries economic strength is judged, not by how wealthy the wealthy are.
You see, nobody is saying to make the doctor = with the janitor. The point is if the doctor's salary went up over 100% since 1972 and the janitors went up a fraction of 1%...well there is a problem in the system that needs to be fixed.
How this became a right vs left issue is beyond me, last I checked we were all American's and this sort of thing is important to everyone...ideological differences aside.
Posted By: Jake (Guest) on October 11, 2011 at 09:36 AM
The Boston PD beat the veterans for Peace, while their arms were chained together, they ripped tents and beat the occupants, they beat hundreds of non-violent people in the street last night, with at least one casualty all to the sounds of cops laughing over the scanner. Several minor injuries to police, hundreds of major injuries and death from the protesters. I'm sorry, this is unjustifiable.
Posted By: Tea Party for OWS (Guest) on October 11, 2011 at 09:57 AM
For Ray Church, CMS, Truth Teller(really dude, you're going to rock this name?), I think you should stop trying to win the My side is better argument...Soros vs Koch who cares? Really? Jesse Jackson isn't the king of black people and those two aren't the king of what ever party they supposedly represent....and read the above comment, when you are done, read it again, then a third time until it sinks in that this protest is about more then just one side of the spectrum, and it is more then just one group. You should stop fighting over who's team is better like a bunch of little kids and start fighting for the team that means something, and the team we are all on.
The guy that posted this comment gets it.
Posted By: Me (Guest) on October 11, 2011 at 09:31 AM
You know, Me, I actually truly agree with you, and I truly hope I don't come off as sounding like "my side" guy, I truly do. I don't really mean to defend Soros, or the Democratic Party, and I hope people realise that I'm more than happy to criticise the president when it's deserved.
What does piss me off is the marginalisation that is going on. When you piss on the 25 million unemployed and say just get a job, it pisses me off, because its frankly ignorant. When you turn around and claim that these kids are causing violence, despite the massive evidence to the contrary, you're repeating the lies of a select group of people who have an interest in seeing these kids disenfranchised and marginalised. Anyone who doesn't get these kids have a legitimate point, and legitimate anger, and a legitimate cause (even if they haven't been able to necessarily verbalise a solution) is basically pissing all over people who are legitimately hurting right now.
And yes, I believe that takes a deliberately level of shallowness or callowness.
(And when I say you, Me, I obviously don't mean you. Man your call name is confusing)
But I take your point.
Truth Teller, you want to keep kicking up these shitty commentaries and swing your dick around about how righteous the Republican Party and the Koch Brothers are, do it. But I think I've made it clear I'm with the kids, and I think I've presented the evidence about why I think they have a legitimate grievance.
Posted By: Guest#9248 (Guest) on October 11, 2011 at 10:49 AM
"The Boston PD beat the veterans for Peace, while their arms were chained together, they ripped tents and beat the occupants, they beat hundreds of non-violent people in the street last night, with at least one casualty all to the sounds of cops laughing over the scanner. Several minor injuries to police, hundreds of major injuries and death from the protesters. I'm sorry, this is unjustifiable"
The officer's actions were completely justifiable. The protesters were warned not to occupy that section of property. They were then warned to leave the area or they would be subjected to arrest, and then they were warned one more time.
Once an officer has decided to secure an arrest, he can use as much force as necessary to effect it. Depending on the department either pepper spray or the baton is used after soft hand tactics fail. I watched the videos of the Boston arrests, and nothing occurred that could be considered unjustified or unreasonable.
Posted By: Guest#3830 (Guest) on October 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM
You know, Me, I actually truly agree with you, and I truly hope I don't come off as sounding like "my side" guy, I truly do. I don't really mean to defend Soros, or the Democratic Party, and I hope people realise that I'm more than happy to criticise the president when it's deserved.
What does piss me off is the marginalisation that is going on. When you piss on the 25 million unemployed and say just get a job, it pisses me off, because its frankly ignorant. When you turn around and claim that these kids are causing violence, despite the massive evidence to the contrary, you're repeating the lies of a select group of people who have an interest in seeing these kids disenfranchised and marginalised. Anyone who doesn't get these kids have a legitimate point, and legitimate anger, and a legitimate cause (even if they haven't been able to necessarily verbalise a solution) is basically pissing all over people who are legitimately hurting right now.
And yes, I believe that takes a deliberately level of shallowness or callowness.
(And when I say you, Me, I obviously don't mean you. Man your call name is confusing)
Posted By: Guest#9248 (Guest) on October 11, 2011 at 10:49 AM
I'm assuming this is Ray. I used to post here a lot more, ALOT more, but I haven't as much because you have done a lot of work here, your comments are better then mine, and much smarter.
Sometimes I still jump in though, and this section missed the point to much it is scary. You're a smart guy and I have seen guys like you come and go, but I'm hoping you stick around. Heck Kris was awesome, but he clearly left.
Grant, and the other idiots, will drag you down to their level of stupidity and beat you with experience. Be careful about that.
This issue should be something we all agree on, but we are being tricked by the media. I have been to two OWS protests and this is not a single minded entity.
For some reason I was hoping there would be a decent discussion for once here about it.
Anyway keep up the good work and yes my username is confusing.
Posted By: Me (Guest) on October 11, 2011 at 11:23 AM
The officer's actions were completely justifiable. The protesters were warned not to occupy that section of property. They were then warned to leave the area or they would be subjected to arrest, and then they were warned one more time.
Once an officer has decided to secure an arrest, he can use as much force as necessary to effect it. Depending on the department either pepper spray or the baton is used after soft hand tactics fail. I watched the videos of the Boston arrests, and nothing occurred that could be considered unjustified or unreasonable.
Posted By: Guest#3830 (Guest) on October 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM
The facts I have been able to confirm
- protesters claim were given permission for another part of the park, but not for the park.
- Police claimed that the protest was peaceful, but claimed that "anarchists have taken over".
- The people they arrested were largely members of Veterans for Peace, a peace activist group consisting of US war veterans
- Police did issue an edict to remove the protesters from the area. People at the time responded that people at the back of the protest could not hear the edict.
- In video I have been able to find of the event, there is no evidence of protesters physically attacking the police, but several instances of throwing protesters (including women) to the ground. One video I watched you can clearly hear people in the crowd calling on others to stay calm and while most of it is police using their power in a calm and structured manner, there a clear moments where a specific policeman breaks with the rest of the police and attacks with more violence than the rest, punching and attacking specific protesters.
- Police cited conflicting reasons for the rule, including potential damage to the property, health and safety regulations and a "no more than 10 people unarmed in an unlawful assembly"
- police collected all property on the site and through it into garbage trucks, destroying all of the property of the protesters.
I would say, yes, this was a peaceful protest but yes, protesters were asked to leave. There are isolated incidents of police brutality, but it was not from all police. I would say the police reaction to personal property was uncalled for, as this could easily have been collected and returned.
Posted By: Guest#9156 (Guest) on October 11, 2011 at 11:43 AM
Hey guys, technicality on that Boston Protest I noticed. The land is supposedly private, but the private non-profit was set up by a combination of the Turnpike Authority, the City of Boston and the Massachusetts State authority.
How can it be a private non-profit when it's owned by the civil authorities of the state?
I smell legal bullshit here.
Posted By: Guest#9119 (Guest) on October 11, 2011 at 12:02 PM
The officer's actions were completely justifiable. The protesters were warned not to occupy that section of property. They were then warned to leave the area or they would be subjected to arrest, and then they were warned one more time.
Once an officer has decided to secure an arrest, he can use as much force as necessary to effect it. Depending on the department either pepper spray or the baton is used after soft hand tactics fail. I watched the videos of the Boston arrests, and nothing occurred that could be considered unjustified or unreasonable.
Posted By: Guest#3830 (Guest) on October 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM
At first I thought this was just a guy that hates to protest because he thinks it is only hippies.
Then I watched videos of police attacking old men, ripping people out of tents, throwing them on the ground and beating them with sticks. I also saw them pepper spraying people in the face while they were sitting on the ground not resisting. And I thought, yeah there is no way this guy could watch that happen to fellow HUMAN BEINGS, and not be effected.
But then the police told me that everything was fine and no one was hurt. So I realized he was completely right. The police always look out for our best interests.
Posted By: Guest#4726 (Guest) on October 11, 2011 at 12:31 PM
*Yawn* So another bunch of these charming Occupants get arrested... *Cue predictable wacko leftist outrage...Then deny being wacko leftists with this flowers and rainbows, "We're all in this together!" bromide* How long are you folks going to keep up this silly charade? Until they're all in jail or a mini-war breaks out? Actually, I don't care to find out. I'm done here. And sorry, I'll never support this movement of thuggish rabble rousers. I'll continue to fight on the side of law, order, capitalism, economic freedom and America. Adios
Posted By: Truth Teller (Guest) on October 11, 2011 at 09:04 PM
IPAB is a death panel. Just cause it's called something else doesn't mean it isn't an unelected panel of politically appointed bureaucrats making medical decisions for the American population. Because that's what it is.
Not only that, but those decisions aren't even subject to Congressional review/oversight unless some ridiculously high hurdle is met.
THAT'S government run healthcare, the progressive dream. "Oh, everybody's covered". Yeah, they will be. With a fucking tarp by the IPAB after they are denied medical treatment that is inefficient on a large scale, per the IPAB. Pathetic.
Free market reform is what's needed, to keep government out of healthcare more than it already is (and gradually decreased until it's only for the hardest of cases) as well as to decrease the influence of the large bohemoth insurance companies. More competition there would lead to better outcomes, if we can't get rid of them entirely.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on October 12, 2011 at 01:18 PM
IPAB is a death panel. Just cause it's called something else doesn't mean it isn't an unelected panel of politically appointed bureaucrats making medical decisions for the American population. Because that's what it is.
Not only that, but those decisions aren't even subject to Congressional review/oversight unless some ridiculously high hurdle is met.
THAT'S government run healthcare, the progressive dream. "Oh, everybody's covered". Yeah, they will be. With a fucking tarp by the IPAB after they are denied medical treatment that is inefficient on a large scale, per the IPAB. Pathetic.
Free market reform is what's needed, to keep government out of healthcare more than it already is (and gradually decreased until it's only for the hardest of cases) as well as to decrease the influence of the large bohemoth insurance companies. More competition there would lead to better outcomes, if we can't get rid of them entirely.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on October 12, 2011 at 01:18 PM
This guy is the new grant...I love it!!!
You mean death panels? you mean like the private insurances out there that decide what care is covered and what care is not covered basically telling you the treatment you can and can't get?
you mean like that? But that is private insurance?!?! That is the same private insurance you are saying is a good thing here!!
Wait...what??? Liberal this, progressive that....oh ok...I see.
Whenever you come on here spouting off at the mouth you are proven wrong and such grand fashion I have no idea why you bother coming back...but it is certainly fun to see someone as delusional as you posting here...please continue!!
Posted By: Guest#2264 (Guest) on October 12, 2011 at 02:52 PM
IPAB is a death panel. Just cause it's called something else doesn't mean it isn't an unelected panel of politically appointed bureaucrats making medical decisions for the American population. Because that's what it is.
Not only that, but those decisions aren't even subject to Congressional review/oversight unless some ridiculously high hurdle is met.
THAT'S government run healthcare, the progressive dream. "Oh, everybody's covered". Yeah, they will be. With a fucking tarp by the IPAB after they are denied medical treatment that is inefficient on a large scale, per the IPAB. Pathetic.
Free market reform is what's needed, to keep government out of healthcare more than it already is (and gradually decreased until it's only for the hardest of cases) as well as to decrease the influence of the large bohemoth insurance companies. More competition there would lead to better outcomes, if we can't get rid of them entirely.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on October 12, 2011 at 01:18 PM
Cool Rant Bro
Thought you said you were never coming back to this site?
Posted By: Guest#0954 (Guest) on October 12, 2011 at 03:20 PM
IPAB is a death panel. Just cause it's called something else doesn't mean it isn't an unelected panel of politically appointed bureaucrats making medical decisions for the American population. Because that's what it is.
Not only that, but those decisions aren't even subject to Congressional review/oversight unless some ridiculously high hurdle is met.
THAT'S government run healthcare, the progressive dream. "Oh, everybody's covered". Yeah, they will be. With a fucking tarp by the IPAB after they are denied medical treatment that is inefficient on a large scale, per the IPAB. Pathetic.
Free market reform is what's needed, to keep government out of healthcare more than it already is (and gradually decreased until it's only for the hardest of cases) as well as to decrease the influence of the large bohemoth insurance companies. More competition there would lead to better outcomes, if we can't get rid of them entirely.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on October 12, 2011 at 01:18 PM
Isn't this what Bachmann said the other day? Da Man, are you masturbating to Bachmann speeches again?
Posted By: Guest#9313 (Guest) on October 12, 2011 at 08:44 PM