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GOP Debate Thoughts: Newt Comes Back To Life A Little Too Late
Posted by Ashish on 01.16.2012



Monday night's debate featured Newt Gingrich showing some signs of life and dishing out the type of red meat applause lines that made him the frontrunner not too long ago. The problem for him is that it's a bit too late in the game for it now. Nobody landed a knockout-quality punch against Mitt Romney tonight, even though he took a few blows and looked uncomfortable several times.

Other notes:

* Gingrich probably did well enough tonight to get a bump in the South Carolina polls, but with Rick Perry also pandering to South Carolina's very conservative Republican primary voters all night, and Rick Santorum still going after the same group, the two are siphoning off their share of that far-right/Tea Party group that Gingrich would need to beat Romney.

* Romney came off pretty badly on the stuff over Super PACs, oozing hypocrisy while dancing around the issue and hiding behind legalities that are easy to get beyond (if Romney wanted the ads in question off the air, they'd be off the air, period). But still, Super PACs aren't going to be the issue that turns this campaign around for Gingrich or Santorum. This Super PACs issue, particularly that Romney now has his business record being called into question by Gingrich and his morals and honesty being called into question by Santorum, is a story that will extend to the general election. The Obama campaign will make Romney's private equity career and his honesty/flip-flops into issues, and they have footage of Gingrich, Santorum, and Perry, three prominent Republicans, siding with them.

* Perry, like Gingrich, has learned to pander and throw out red meat to his audience, and that made his debate performance a solid one, but on substance, the guy remains pretty shockingly ignorant for a Presidential candidate.

* I felt sorry for Ron Paul several times, as he had to lecture the audience on several topics where, based on what they applauded for, they were severely misinformed. But he's been having to do that for years now. I expect Paul to finish third in South Carolina and I don't think anything tonight changed that.

* Romney showed a lot of the flaws that the Obama campaign will target in the general election, mainly his inability to stay cool when under attack. We saw Perry do it several times back when he was the frontrunner, and we've seen it every time a candidate goes after Romney on stage in any serious way -- he suddenly gets very agitated and visibly frustrated. We saw it tonight. He'll have to work on that before he debates President Obama, who aside from being a strong debater, is known for his ability to attack in debates without coming off as angry or as an "attacker."

In many ways, Romney has been done an injustice by his competition in that he is getting ready to go into a general election that his primary opponents have not readied him for. They waited until he already is in dominating position to attack him, mostly laid off of him at debates, and rarely follow up attacks in a consistent way to force Romney into uncomfortable positions. The Obama campaign, as we saw against Hilary Clinton and John McMahon, will go after Romney in a very aggressive way. Romney will also have to work on his somewhat aloof/pompous demeanor, an example being how he completely brushed off the question on releasing his tax returns by simply saying he will "probably" release them later. You can do that type of stuff in a primary that you already have wrapped up. In the general election, he'll have to get a lot more specific and concrete on things.

Overall though, this debate didn't change the trajectory of the race. It will take Romney making a major mistake at this point to screw up his path to the nomination. If Gingrich was as aggressive and fiery in Iowa after the attacks against him started as he was tonight, we may have had a real race. Instead, it's coming far too late.


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The crowd booed the golden rule. That speaks volumes for the state we're in now wasting money overseas and why we get corrupt leaders like Bush and Obama.

Posted By: Michael (Guest)  on January 16, 2012 at 11:49 PM

 
 
Once again Ashish doesn't know what he's talking about. He clearly doesn't agree with my stance on [insert issue] that I gleaned from [insert network/college professor/book].

This is just another example of [insert ideology] hypocrisy. It's been proven time and time again that [insert strawman argument]!


Posted By: Guest#4026 (Guest)  on January 16, 2012 at 11:54 PM

 
 
"a little too late?"

Ashish stop trying to shove Romney down your reader's throats


Posted By: Guest#6336 (Guest)  on January 17, 2012 at 12:00 AM

 
 
Ron Paul owned that debate, but you're not going to mention that, eh? It was clear who the moderators wanted (Romney) since the majority of the questions were about him so either he could answer or rebutt.

BTW..."loved" the manipulation of the crown noise.


Posted By: Ron Paul 2012 (Guest)  on January 17, 2012 at 12:23 AM

 
 
You really don't understand SuperPACs, and that's okay. It is ILLEGAL for a candidate to coordinate with a SuperPAC...which is why Gingrich could end up in hot water for promoting the Winning Our Future PAC's Romney attack film in the previous debate.

Posted By: Guest#7756 (Guest)  on January 17, 2012 at 01:44 AM

 
 
The Republicans know they're going to lose this election. Despite Obama's general ineptitude over the last 4 years, they still don't have a candidate strong enough right now to oppose him. So they're doing what they did in 2008 with McCain: throwing out a shitty candidate in Romney and sandbagging him so they can build support around a better candidate. They timed the fake Tea Party outcry too early, or else they could have used that to get a loon like Santorum within striking distance of Obama. Problem is, I don't think they were expecting the Occupy movement to last as long as it has, so that killed some of their momentum.

Really, this served two purposes: throw Romney to the wolves so he doesn't get any big ideas in 2016, and show the rest of the party how "moderates" are unelectable which will help continue the Republican party's shift to the far right on social issues (but continue it's bizarre descent into leftist economic policies). Expect a prominent neocon like Chris Christie to get the nom in 2016 to continue the lineage of post-Reagan buffoonery we've seen in the White House over the last twenty years.


Posted By: Guest#3003 (Guest)  on January 17, 2012 at 02:05 AM

 
 
Who is John McMahon?

Posted By: worthythorn (Guest)  on January 17, 2012 at 03:31 AM

 
 
Ron Paul owned that debate, but you're not going to mention that, eh? It was clear who the moderators wanted (Romney) since the majority of the questions were about him so either he could answer or rebutt.

BTW..."loved" the manipulation of the crown noise.

it was newt and santorum's night dude.
dislike them or hate them they had they had the better showings. Romney's numbers will slip a bit and who rises is anyones guess.


Posted By: Guest#5056 (Guest)  on January 17, 2012 at 07:15 AM

 
 
John McMahon? He's my cousin!

Posted By: Vince McCain (Guest)  on January 17, 2012 at 08:47 AM

 
 
That was like a WrestleMania crowd in suits. Shameful stuff.

Posted By: Guest#7569 (Guest)  on January 17, 2012 at 11:12 AM

 
 
Face it, none of these losers have a chance at being the next president of the united states. At this point, I honestly hope that Paul gets the nomination. That way he can lose by 20 points and maybe his annoying followers will shut-up for a little while.

Posted By: Guest#6450 (Guest)  on January 17, 2012 at 11:37 AM

 
 
LOVE the fact that RP is no different than any other politician. News comes out today that he plans on holding the entire republican party hostage with his delegate votes UNLESS they do what he wants.

How nice....good to see he's different than everyone else.

More Kool-Aid guys?


Posted By: Guest#7570 (Guest)  on January 17, 2012 at 12:47 PM

 
 
The crowd booed the golden rule. That speaks volumes for the state we're in now wasting money overseas and why we get corrupt leaders like Bush and Obama.

Posted By: Michael (Guest) on January 16, 2012 at 11:49 PM

No, it speaks volumes about the republican party.


Posted By: Guest#2493 (Guest)  on January 17, 2012 at 01:04 PM

 
 
Why wouldn't Paul use his delegates?? I mean there was a time and day when the convention wasn't a rubber stamp cheerleader fest for a brownshirt neo-con and was an actual meeting where delegates decided on their candidate, Ron Paul should knock over their little applecart and reclaim the party for the old right.

Posted By: peeps (Guest)  on January 17, 2012 at 02:57 PM

 
 
John McMahon? Sucking Obama off and disparaging Romney. Awful article written by someone who failed high school journalism. This is embarrasing. By the way, Romney is ahead of Obama in the polls.

Posted By: Guest#3545 (Guest)  on January 17, 2012 at 02:59 PM

 
 
Why wouldn't Paul use his delegates?? I mean there was a time and day when the convention wasn't a rubber stamp cheerleader fest for a brownshirt neo-con and was an actual meeting where delegates decided on their candidate, Ron Paul should knock over their little applecart and reclaim the party for the old right.

Posted By: peeps (Guest) on January 17, 2012 at 02:57 PM

He is as far from the old right as most of the other republicans here.

Used to have something called moderate republicans, and they used to run the party when it was in it's glory and winning elections and running the country well for decades where even someone who doesn't agree with them on everything could vote for them and not feel dirty.

What happened to that?


Posted By: Guest#2258 (Guest)  on January 17, 2012 at 06:20 PM

 
 
Only the inbred idiocracy extras from SC would cheer gingrich over Ron Paul.

Posted By: Guest#6301 (Guest)  on January 17, 2012 at 06:40 PM

 
 
John McMahon was a great candidate

Posted By: Guest#8534 (Guest)  on January 17, 2012 at 07:55 PM

 
 
LOVE the fact that RP is no different than any other politician. News comes out today that he plans on holding the entire republican party hostage with his delegate votes UNLESS they do what he wants.

How nice....good to see he's different than everyone else.

More Kool-Aid guys?

Posted By: Guest#7570 (Guest) on January 17, 2012 at 12:47 PM

================================

And this *ahem, cough, BS, cough* "NEWS" came from where?.....
Ummm, yeah, just like it was HE who actually wrote those racist newsletters, right (Sarcastically rolling eyes while nodding pitifully at you)?
When the absolute worst thing "NEWS" can pin on Ron Paul is that a Presidential candidate and current congressman takes a first class seat as opposed to riding on coach (Oh, I'm sure you heard about that because it was ALL OVER the "NEWS"), yet they neglect to mention how he won BOTH Texas Straw Polls over the weekend and was recently endorsed by FOUR South Carolina Senators, it kind of has to make you wonder if they are ONLY reporting what THEY WANT YOU to know (BIASED?). Hopefully you "Sheeple" see the light before it's too late.

I'd have some of that Kool-aid of yours, but the "sheeple" have already finished all of it.


Posted By: Wake Up (Guest)  on January 18, 2012 at 07:33 AM

 
 
And this *ahem, cough, BS, cough* "NEWS" came from where?.....
Ummm, yeah, just like it was HE who actually wrote those racist newsletters, right (Sarcastically rolling eyes while nodding pitifully at you)?
When the absolute worst thing "NEWS" can pin on Ron Paul is that a Presidential candidate and current congressman takes a first class seat as opposed to riding on coach (Oh, I'm sure you heard about that because it was ALL OVER the "NEWS"), yet they neglect to mention how he won BOTH Texas Straw Polls over the weekend and was recently endorsed by FOUR South Carolina Senators, it kind of has to make you wonder if they are ONLY reporting what THEY WANT YOU to know (BIASED?). Hopefully you "Sheeple" see the light before it's too late.

I'd have some of that Kool-aid of yours, but the "sheeple" have already finished all of it.

Posted By: Wake Up (Guest) on January 18, 2012 at 07:33 AM

Blah Blah Blah

I see no defense of your boy just a long ass diatribe that has NOTHING to do with the issue raised.

Typical RP person.

Right HIS newsletter with HIS name on it but because HE didn't write it, well it's ok then. Just what we want in a commander in chief, deaf, dumb and blind.

RP was supposed to be a "new" kind of candidate yet here he is doing the same thing others do.

Look at the new boss, same as the old boss.

How is that Kool-Aid fool?


Posted By: Guest#4485 (Guest)  on January 18, 2012 at 11:23 AM

 
 
Apparently Wake Up has been Knocked Out a lot.

Posted By: Guest#6856 (Guest)  on January 18, 2012 at 11:43 AM

 
 
Sigh,...

Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it.


Posted By: Paul Revolution (Guest)  on January 18, 2012 at 05:01 PM

 
 
Sigh,...

Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it.

Posted By: Paul Revolution (Guest) on January 18, 2012 at 05:01 PM

What?


Posted By: Stone Cold (Guest)  on January 18, 2012 at 07:31 PM

 
 
Sigh,...

Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it.

Posted By: Paul Revolution (Guest) on January 18, 2012 at 05:01 PM

What?

Posted By: Stone Cold (Guest) on January 18, 2012 at 07:31 PM
----------------------------------------

Google it. It's from the movie Cool Hand Luke, but more importantly, if you play the Guns N Roses song "Civil War", you'll get the meaning. You really need to pay attention to the lyrics.


Posted By: The Rock (Guest)  on January 18, 2012 at 11:33 PM

 
 
Google it. It's from the movie Cool Hand Luke, but more importantly, if you play the Guns N Roses song "Civil War", you'll get the meaning. You really need to pay attention to the lyrics.

Posted By: The Rock (Guest) on January 18, 2012 at 11:33 PM

What?


Posted By: Stone Cold (Guest)  on January 19, 2012 at 07:39 AM

 
STAY CURRENT




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