There Are Plenty of Good Reasons to Dislike Mitt Romney – “He Fired People” Isn’t One of Them
Posted by Enrique on 01.18.2012
Creative destruction
With current polls showing Mitt Romney in a strong position to win next week's South Carolina primary, it appears Republican voters are grudgingly about to nominate the one guy they all agree they don't like, supposedly because he's "electable." [Update:Or is he?] I seem to recall Dem voters used a similar logic when they nominated John Kerry in 2004, and I suppose we should all be grateful they spared us the agony of a Kerry/Edwards presidency – although the revelation of sitting Vice President Edwards' fooling around would have been precious.
Now that Romney is emerging as President Barack Obama's likely challenger, the angles of attack are beginning to take shape. For example, did you know that Romney is rich? And did you know he used to work at a private equity firm? And did you know that when private equity firms restructure companies it may result in people losing their jobs? Romney's a monster!
Of all the legitimate reasons to criticize Romney – for example, he's never said anything that wasn't completely full of crap – the fact that he directly or indirectly fired people isn't even in the ballpark. It would be less frivolous to criticize him for being Mormon.
The story so far…
It is my understanding people are upset that Mitt Romney used to work for this guy
Now that everyone assumes Romney is going to be the GOP nominee, the "narrative" (as they say) is beginning to unfold. As a wealthy white Republican, all the usual boilerplate about how he's out of touch and racist will be part of it. More to the point, it seems some folks are itching to criticize Romney for having kinda sorta fired people in the past. I work under the assumption that Jon Stewart represents mainstream lefty opinion, and last year he memorably described Romney as "the guy who looks like everyone who ever fired your dad." What better indicator that Romney's history of downsizing would be a campaign issue in the general election?
Some of Romney's more desperate Republican challengers couldn't wait that long. Rick Perry has referred to Romney as a "vulture capitalist", and described Romney's previous work at private equity firm Bain Capital as "tak[ing] companies apart so they can make quick profits and then people lose their jobs." Meanwhile, supporters of Newt Gingrich released a half-hour movie portraying Romney as a "predatory corporate raider." Gingrich has notably refused to condemn that and other ads attacking Romney's private equity past. Just the other day, Gingrich called a couple of Bain investments "exploitive."
Every internet post about Romney and Bain is required to use this picture, so here you go
One wonders if either of these jokers have any idea what private equity firms do. In short, private equity firms invest in non-publicly traded companies. They might invest in small companies to help them get off the ground (i.e., venture capital) or they might invest in mature companies to help them grow. Sometimes helping a company grow may result in layoffs in the short term, particularly if the company is operating inefficiently. All of this is done with the objective of making more money than the initial investment, something that economists refer to as "profit."
Presumably, a lot of ignorant people—including Perry, Gingrich, and a large majority of Democrats—think that private equity firms do hostile takeovers and fire people, mostly women and minorities, probably while laughing and pointing and lighting cigars with $100 bills. What they may not understand is that firing people and reducing overhead at one point in a company's life may put it in a position for future growth and ultimately more jobs down the road.
Recently, a team of researchers led by Steven J. Davis, of the Booth School of Business at the University of Chicago, released a new paper that sheds some light on the complexity, and eventual outcome, of private equity transactions. It finds that while private equity transactions do often lead to job loss, they also lead to job gains -- and the net results are nowhere near as dramatic as widely believed. […]
The researchers found that on average, job losses from private-equity transactions are not as steep as popularly believed: About 3 percent over two years and about 6 percent over five years. Although private-equity investments do often lead to big layoffs, they also often lead to a lot of new jobs. But those jobs tend to be at different areas of the company and don't happen in one big blast.
Surely, some of those jobs are lost and never come back. But if a company is struggling and doesn't attract new investment, it will go out of business. Is that supposed to be a preferable outcome?
There's nothing wrong with scrutinizing the work of Bain Capital, and surely it's had its fair share of questionable practices in almost 30 years. But if anyone is going to criticize Romney for his work at Bain, it should be based on specific instances of misconduct, not the whole business of private equity, or because there's something wrong with firing people in general.
As Romney himself has said, firing people can be enjoyable, particularly if they have provided you with inferior service.
Romney took some heat for that comment, even though it's the philosophy that governs the activity of all normal adults. If you go to McDonald's and they provide suboptimal service, you can "fire" them by patronizing Burger King instead. Try firing your local public school if it provides shitty service.
As it happens, Romney's firing comment was in response to a question about healthcare policy at a campaign event. Immediately preceding "I like firing people," Romney said, "I want individuals to have their own insurance. That means the insurance company will have an incentive to keep you healthy. It also means that if you don't like what they do, you could fire them." If Romney deserves criticism for that comment, it's because he's a transparent phony for having once advocated universal healthcare and now claims he wants people to have their own insurance. His desire to fire people/companies who aren't holding up their end is perfectly sensible.
Even with a high unemployment rate, it's important to keep things in perspective. People lose their jobs all the time. It isn't a death sentence. Dear reader, if you have never been fired or laid off, you will be eventually. And you know what? You'll find another job. It will be a pain in the ass for a while, but you'll be fine. And while you may never feel positive about the people who let you go, the mere fact that they fired you shouldn't in and of itself disqualify them from running for president, and there's no sense in criticizing them for it.
Now, if they ever supported universal health care, that's a different story.
"But if anyone is going to criticize Romney for his work at Bain, it should be based on specific instances of misconduct, not the whole business of private equity, or because there's something wrong with firing people in general."
So, we shouldn't criticise Romney for liking to fire people, except on specific instances of his business practices...
This is another Enrique tying himself in knots article. The whole point is that Romney's record in Bain has been one where he has lead a company in questionable takeovers and where he caused massive redundancies with little cause.
I'm not a big Newt Gingrich fan (read: I think he's just another hateful politician who gets by on soundbites and blue collar dog whistles) but the whole reason that video is 30 minutes long is that it documents Romney's track record and provides those specific examples that you are asking for.
Look, if he didn't have a record of this, I could handle this "not all private equity firms..." bullshit. But you defended Romney when everyone you are decrying (Democrats, Gingrich... ok, maybe not Perry) is giving the specific examples you are asking for.
You want to have the wider debate about private equity, fine, but make your column about that, not Romney.
Posted By: Guest#7134 (Guest) on January 18, 2012 at 09:22 PM
"he's a transparent phony for having once advocated universal healthcare and now claims he wants people to have their own insurance."
Uh, no he didn't ever advocate "Universal Healthcare" where people didn't have private insurance. Get your criticisms straight, there are plenty available.
Posted By: Guest#5080 (Guest) on January 18, 2012 at 10:06 PM
If you watched Wall Street and you think Michael Douglas' Gordon Gecko was the hero in the movie...then Mitt Romney is your guy.
Posted By: Guest#3887 (Guest) on January 18, 2012 at 11:04 PM
If you go to McDonald's and they provide suboptimal service, you can "fire" them by patronizing Burger King instead. Try firing your local public school if it provides shitty service.
Greatest argument for school vouchers ever.
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on January 18, 2012 at 11:17 PM
I'm not voting for Willard Romney because he has 2 great-grandfathers...and 20 great-grandmothers...
Posted By: Guest#0361 (Guest) on January 18, 2012 at 11:23 PM
I love Mitt Romney.
He supports gay rights.
He's pro choice.
He supports Universal healthcare.
He supports gun control.
He was a perfect Democrat.
Posted By: Guest#1827 (Guest) on January 18, 2012 at 11:46 PM
My bet is Scott B will be in here any minute with his big goverment MSNBC talking points
Posted By: Guest#4418 (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 12:06 AM
No such thing firing any union public sector employee, no matter how worthless they are. A big problem no one wants to address.
Posted By: Guest#2918 (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 01:32 AM
Firing(laying off) people in and of itself is unpleasant, yet sometimes needed. Doing the same for profit is the problem.
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 06:10 AM
Ignore the real issues, mud-sling over trivial bullshit, then have a bunch of morons try to make themselves feel smart by squabling over you. Oh, politics.
Posted By: Guest#3849 (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 06:15 AM
My bet is Scott B will be in here any minute with his big goverment MSNBC talking points
Posted By: Guest#4418 (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 12:06 AM
My bet is Michael will be on here any minute with his Ron Pual talking points
Posted By: Guest#0277 (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 08:15 AM
I happen to agree with you, Enrique. It is unfair for people to criticize Romney for doing HIS JOB. His job at Bain was NOT to grow jobs. It was to make money, and he did his job well. There is zero wrong with that.
I think the other side of the coin fits as well: His time at Bain should also NOT be considered a major selling point for the same reason. We need someone to CREATE JOBS. If a job was created due to the effects of Bain, then that is a nice side bonus. However, we can NOT act like that was the goal. Again - the goal of a private equity firm is to MAKE MONEY.
I think we need to be fair, and to be fair all around.
Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 09:28 AM
3 cheers for private equity firms. Shitcanning a ton of people, and hiring half of them back with a 40% wage cut. But hey, that's not as "dramatic" as if you fired them and didnt hire them back so it's a great thing. Just ask the few dozen guys at the top who take that 40% savings on workers and get new cars!
Posted By: Guest#4499 (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 10:59 AM
My bet is Scott B will be in here any minute with his big goverment MSNBC talking points
Posted By: Guest#4418 (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 12:06 AM
My bet is Michael will be on here any minute with his Ron Pual talking points
Posted By: Guest#0277 (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 08:15 AM
Actually, as always here on 411, it was an Anti-Paul guy that brought Ron Paul's name up first.
Posted By: Guest#9833 (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 11:07 AM
Sorry I'm late! I hate Mitt Romney because he is yet another stuffed suit who believes in a bullshit story about a giant invisible man in the sky, with some super bullshit about a hat and golden plates mixed in.
Seriously, its the 21st century. Where was Romney's god when all those elderly men and women were drowning in their attics in New Orleans? Did they not prey hard enough?
Posted By: Scott B (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM
The goal of capitalism is to maximize profit for investors. Not create jobs. That it creates jobs better than any economic system ever created is what pisses the socialist off.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 11:41 AM
Well, there's also the issue of hypocrisy where Romney says the gov't needs to stay out of business, but gets a bunch of the companies bain buys gov't bailouts.
Posted By: Guest#3444 (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 11:45 AM
The goal of capitalism is to maximize profit for investors. Not create jobs. That it creates jobs better than any economic system ever created is what pisses the socialist off.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 11:41 AM
What are you talking about? Really WTF are you talking about?
In Communism their were jobs for everyone..they just weren't paying any money. In Socialism there were jobs for almost everyone, they just weren't paying any money.
In Capitalism, there USED TO BE lots of jobs for people that payed well. Now there are few jobs that (unless you are an owner) don't pay that well at all.
Posted By: Bda Bda that's all folks (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 01:01 PM
My bet is Michael will be on here any minute with his Ron Pual talking points
Posted By: Guest#0277 (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 08:15 AM
Actually, as always here on 411, it was an Anti-Paul guy that brought Ron Paul's name up first.
Posted By: Guest#9833 (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 11:07 AM
Saying that someone will bring up Ron Paul makes someone an Anti-Ron Paul guy?!?!
Take off the Tin Foil hat please and commit yourself to an insane asylum stat!
Posted By: Guest#3220 (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 01:02 PM
3 cheers for private equity firms. Shitcanning a ton of people, and hiring half of them back with a 40% wage cut. But hey, that's not as "dramatic" as if you fired them and didnt hire them back so it's a great thing. Just ask the few dozen guys at the top who take that 40% savings on workers and get new cars!
Posted By: Guest#4499 (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 10:59 AM
This is sadly how it actually works. It's what makes our system only faux capitalist.
Posted By: Guest#9244 (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 02:07 PM
Seriously, its the 21st century. Where was Romney's god when all those elderly men and women were drowning in their attics in New Orleans? Did they not prey hard enough?
Posted By: Scott B (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM
Still imitating me and showing your ignorance, how precious. Unlike you, I know the difference between "prey" and "pray".
Posted By: Scott B (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 02:12 PM
The goal of capitalism is to maximize profit for investors. Not create jobs. That it creates jobs better than any economic system ever created is what pisses the socialist off.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 11:41 AM
What are you talking about? Really WTF are you talking about?
In Communism their were jobs for everyone..they just weren't paying any money. In Socialism there were jobs for almost everyone, they just weren't paying any money.
In Capitalism, there USED TO BE lots of jobs for people that payed well. Now there are few jobs that (unless you are an owner) don't pay that well at all.
Posted By: Bda Bda that's all folks (Guest) on January 19, 2012 at 01:01 PM
LOL....I hope you're no older than 12 bda bda.
A crushing regulatory state either implemented or implied by the Obama regime is probably the main reason job creation has stagnated. But, if you think digging holes and then filling them again, and not being able to leave that job, is an ideal job in an ideal economic system, then go red and yellow (hammer and sickle) brother!
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on January 20, 2012 at 03:20 PM
A crushing regulatory state either implemented or implied by the Obama regime is probably the main reason job creation has stagnated. But, if you think digging holes and then filling them again, and not being able to leave that job, is an ideal job in an ideal economic system, then go red and yellow (hammer and sickle) brother!
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on January 20, 2012 at 03:20 PM
God you're dumb. Yeah Obama is the reason jobs have stagnated...Ok whatever you say there Mr. Informed citizen.
Couldn't be because jobs have been outsources to other nations (not because of regulations but because you can pay someone $2 an hour someplace else over #8 here).
Couldn't be because businesses now pay 1 person to do the job of 3 then cry about not making any money and not pay that one person anything then scaring them with firing for speaking out about it. (sounds Alot like that hammer and sickle BS you're talking about huh?)
But yeah keep your head up your ass dude and keep thinking its all because of over regulation all obama's fault.
God you're a mindless tool.
Posted By: Bda Bda that's all folks (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 08:20 PM