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Wisconsin as a Trojan Horse for Hillary Clinton?
Posted by Dan Martin on 02.15.2008



The polling data for Wisconsin has been scant to this point (as of 2-14-2008). The polls that have been taken show Barack Obama leading Hillary Clinton but with leads falling within the margin for error. Demographics in Wisconsin seem to favor Obama. Madison is full of young enthusiastic college students, Milwaukee is 40% African American, and the liberal identity of the state will likely approve of Obama's Iraq stance more so than Hillary's. Still, Hillary will want some positive spin and positive news headed into the March 4 primaries that include Rhode Island, Vermont and of course Ohio and Texas.

Where will this good news come from between now and March 4?

Washington state in an odd step has both a primary and a caucus with all of the pledged delegates tied to the caucus that Obama already won earlier this month. One would expect Washington to go to Obama again when the state votes for a second time on February 19. This could help Obama win uncommitted super delegates in Washington. Hawaii holds caucuses on February 19 as well. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and should also win there. That leaves Wisconsin as the place where the Clinton campaign can start selling a comeback story.

What Result Can be Spun in Hillary's Direction?

A win would obviously be a story the Clinton campain would crow about in the two weeks that separate Wisconsin's primary from Ohio, Texas, Rhode Island and Vermont's primaries. If one thinks this is impossible just think about New Hampshire where every poll, every report about enthusiasm on the ground and every sign of a huge turnout made New Hampshire look like an Obama victory in waiting. Instead, Hillary won the popular vote in New Hampshire by 3% and split the delegates with Obama.

Setting aside the obvious, if Hillary keeps the margin in Wisconsin to 5% or less, she can argue that the lopsided losses of early and mid February were due to a home court advantage for Obama and that the home field is moving in her direction now. She can also argue that all of Obama's wins did not translate into a major bounce due to a close final tally in Wisconsin. Additionally, Hillary can crow that she is just starting to get tough on the young politician and that this proves he is not as vetted as she is. The fact is Obama has been part of more elections than Hillary, but Hillary has lived through the Clinton Wars of the 1990's, two presidential elections, and multiple statewide races in Arkansas as the spouse of the candidate on the ballot.

Keeping the margin close and the delegate count close in Wisconsin is key for Hillary to make this pitch. That is why despite looking ahead to Texas and Ohio, Hillary and Bill are spending time and money in Wisconsin. Keeping the race close will mean not neglecting their supporters in Wisconsin. One factor working against Hillary is the role independent voters may play in Wisconsin. The primary is totally open and with McCain more or less locking up the GOP nomination, independents are likely to gravitate to Obama. Hillary on the other hand may benefit if some GOP voters decide to vote in the Democratic primary and support her due to thinking she is an easier November opponent for McCain. It is hard to imagine too many Republicans doing this so independents may throw the margin of victory above that 5% threshold.

Selling the Spin with Low Expectations

If the Clintons obviously work hard and end up with a close loss, it will be harder to spin the close loss in their favor. They must somehow work hard, call in every bit of support their networks can provide and still look disinterested. If they pull this off, they can gloat about how Wisconsin shows the new campaign staff and sharper rhetoric are working. For any of this to work, the Clintons have to get the media to buy into the idea that Obama is the heavy favorite and that Wisconsin being close was a surprise. If the media buys into this the Clintons can call upon the memory of the comeback kid one more time and try to make a stretch run for the nomination.

Remaining Obama States: Are They Enough?

Barack Obama currently leads in all categories except for superdelegates. He has more delegates, more pledged delegates, more state victories, more total votes and more money on hand than Hillary does. Barack Obama has won 21 states, the District of Columbia and the U.S. Virgin Islands. Hillary Clinton has won 12 states and American Samoa. The conventional wisdom has Obama winning Hawaii, Wisconsin, Oregon, Mississippi, North Carolina, and South Dakota. Vermont might also go Obama's way. For the sake of argument if Obama wins all of those states minus one, it would leave him with 28 state victories. If his campaign manager is correct and Hillary cannot catch him among pledged delegates will winning all but one of the remaining Obama favorable states be enough to take the nomination?

I lean toward yes because of what happened in the 2000 general election. If under the current rules of nominating a Democratic candidate Obama wins the majority of pledged delegates, it will be very hard for a party that argued vociferously in 2000 that every vote should count to then say anything different than their nominee is the candidate that has the most pledged delegates right? This is especially true if Obama maintains his lead in raw votes. Keeping those margins above what Florida or Michigan might have contributed to Hillary's tally is important too. Still, Obama has created circumstances where Hillary will need to not only win states she is favored to win, but also take a few states away from Obama and win by larger than expected margins if she is to be the nominee. Of course, Obama victories in remaining states such as West Virginia, Kentucky or Ohio would go a long way to securing his nomination. Conversely, if Hillary has to steal some victories, Wisconsin is as good as any place to start pilfering states and delegates.


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The article states that Hillary has won 12 states. That's incorrect. She has won 11 states. New Hampshire, Nevada, and 9 states on Feb 5th (including New Mexico). Not sure how you screw that up(?).

Posted By: JM (Guest)  on February 15, 2008 at 03:03 AM

 
 
I was including FLorida since Obama was on the ballot there but not Michigan. It remains to be seen what will happen with those two states, but Florida is likely to be the one that might count since everyone was on the ballot.

Posted By: Dan Martin (Registered)  on February 15, 2008 at 08:37 AM

 
 
Florida shouldnt count either, as obama tried to take his self off of the ballot but could not. further complicated by the fact that he couldn't campaign for his self

Posted By: nathan stephanopolis (Guest)  on February 15, 2008 at 01:34 PM

 
 
I agree with the comment that Florida should not count in one sense, but in another CNN was counting Florida and Michigan as Hillary wins in their web coverage. Washington's primary will be odd in that it could be a second win for Obama there or maybe Hillary wins the primary - how the media tabulates that given the Caucus on Feb. 9 is anyone's guess.

Posted By: Dan Martin (Registered)  on February 15, 2008 at 04:48 PM

 
 
Nancy Pelosi who is charing the DNC convention argued that the will of the people should not be overturned. She also made the point that Florida and Michigan's delegates cannot be stead due to the rules by which everyone else abides. This is potentially huge news - Ashish want to expand on this? First, if Obama's camp is right that Hillary cannot catch him in pledged delegates the Clinton's only other option is to catch him in raw votes not including Michigan or Florida's results. Obama leads the raw vote total by nearly 667,000 votes. Given that some states are likely to go heavily in his favor (Oregon and Mississippi jump immediately to mind) Hillary is going to need to win the states she wins by large margins to have any hope of catching him in raw vote totals. That may be enough to get super delegates on board. Otherwise, she has to catch him in pledged delegates where she trails by 137 according to Real Clear Politics. See these websites for more:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

and

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_
id=24286

This makes Wisconsin and Hawaii that much more important because if Obama adds to his delegate and raw vote lead on Tuesday it will only make the mountain Hillary has to climb that much steeper.


Posted By: Dan Martin (Registered)  on February 16, 2008 at 07:46 AM

 
 
Thank Jebus...Hitlary won't be nominee. Too bad, as she'd be much easier to beat than Obama.

Posted By: Jim C (Guest)  on February 16, 2008 at 10:48 AM

 
 
It is amusing to see how obama supporters keep referring to "total states won." Manty of the states he has won (except for missouri and illinois) are not states the democratic party will carry. They are republican!!!

Clinton has carried florica, new york, massachusetts, california and will most likely win ohio, texas and pennsylvania.


Posted By: creed (Guest)  on February 16, 2008 at 11:10 AM

 
 
Creed - I think that cuts both ways. The Democrats have been close in 2000 and 2004 to the 270 electoral vote threshold that leads to becoming president elect. If Hillary just wins blue states, one thing is for sure she and the Democratic Party will lose again. So yes she is better than Obama at holding what has been a losing coalition together. Obama on the other hand has a chance to perhaps win on the road and take some Red States. Iowa went for Gore in 2000 and W. in 2000. Given the Iowa turnout Obama likely wins there if the nominee. I think Virginia is also a win for Obama and that places him + Kerry;s states right on the door step. If Obama can put Georgia into play and win Missouri it is over. So if 270 is the goal and Hillary's strength is with a coalition of states and voters that scores 240-260 electoral votes, shouldn't the Dem Party try something new? Trying the same approach a 3rd time when it did not work the 1st and 2nd time is a bit insane.

Posted By: Dan Martin (Registered)  on February 16, 2008 at 09:17 PM

 
 
I don't find it particularly relevant to talk about which Democratic candidate wins red or blue states, as the overwhelming majority of registered Democrats will vote for the Democratic presidential nominee, even if that isn't the pony they backed in the primaries. What's going to decide things come November is how many independents Obama or Clinton could win over in the states which are likely to come down to the wire (Ohio, Florida, etc.) No way to accurately determine that from the Democratic primaries.

Posted By: Mike (Guest)  on February 17, 2008 at 02:37 PM

 
 
VOTE PEROT !!!

Posted By: JJ (Guest)  on February 17, 2008 at 05:55 PM

 
 
Given the massive Democratic turnouts in ALL the primaries and caucuses, the elections and blue states we should be looking at and comparing with are the 2 CLINTON wins in the 90's, the Carter win in 76 after the NIXON debacles (Bush popularity is even lower than Nixon's), or even the JOHNSON win in 1964.

Posted By: Guest (Guest)  on February 17, 2008 at 06:14 PM

 
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