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 411mania » Politics » Blog Entry
Clinton Wins OH, TX, RI & Obama Wins VT & TX Caucuses -- Now What?
Posted by Ashish on 03.05.2008



Hillary Clinton had a big night last night, winning the primaries in Ohio, Texas, and Rhode Island, giving her campaign its best day since winning New Hampshire in early January. Barack Obama won the Vermont primary and the Texas caucuses. So what does this all mean and where does the race go from here?

The major news networks seem to be spinning Clinton's wins as major and seem to be framing the race as a "dead heat" now. While her wins in OH and TX are a very positive sign for her and something she deserves a lot of credit for (let's face it, she and Obama campaigned very hard in both states and she won both, plain and simple), the cold hard facts are that she still has virtually no chance at winning the nomination. The media and the Clinton camp will likely spin this a million different ways in the coming days, but unless she works out some sort of backroom deal to steal the nomination, she will not win it under the current rules. That is just a fact of the math. She needed to win OH and TX by 15-20 points to make any sort of game-changing dent in Obama's pledged delegate lead and despite having 15-20 point leads in both states as recently as two weeks ago, she blew them both and finished up gaining basically nothing except symbolic victories.

Looking ahead, Obama is likely to win Wyoming on Saturday and Mississippi on Tuesday. Then both campaigns put all focus on Pennsylvania which is on April 22nd. Pennsylvania is a closed primary that Clinton should win. But after that, the schedule becomes VERY favorable to Obama. He is likely to rack up several wins and build another long winning streak throughout May (including likely wins in Indiana, North Carolina, West Virginia, Oregon, Montana, and South Dakota). But the night to really watch will be May 6th. May 6th is the next biggest day, delegate wise, as it will feature both North Carolina and Indiana. And guess what? Obama is expected to win both of those easily. I won't go through all the numbers (I have an article up here that give Clinton the benefit in every state going forward and still has her finishing 100+ pledged delegates behind), but under normal assumptions about what will happen from here on out, Obama will have a near 200 pledged delegate lead on May 7th and an even bigger pledged delegate lead when the primary season ends in June. There is virtually no way that superdelegates will overturn a 200+ pledged delegate lead. It just won't happen (unless some sort of major scandal about Obama comes out).

The results of OH and TX remind me a lot of Super Tuesday. On Super Tuesday, Clinton won the big states and the media declared her the night's winner. It wasn't until a few days later that people started realizing that Obama WON the delegate race on Super Tuesday and that was what mattered. Looking at last night's results, Clinton did not really gain any delegates. Rhode Island and Vermont wiped each other out and whatever delegates Clinton gets out of Ohio (likely 7-10) will be wiped out by the delegates Obama wins in Texas (likely 7-10). That means that Clinton is now still just as far behind as she was before, and now has fewer states in which to make up the gap.

But some will argue that she now has the momentum. And that is probably true. She won two big states and deserves the momentum. But guess what? Momentum is only relevant in the short term. Obama will get his own momentum when he wins in Wyoming and Mississippi and then it is a MONTH until Pennsylvania, meaning that whatever momentum either candidate has will long disappear by the time PA votes. And if Clinton wins PA, the schedule again seems to lineup a bunch of favorable Obama states after that.

Clinton will eventually begin to argue that she should get the nomination despite losing the pledged delegates because she won big states. But guess what, the people who have to buy that argument are superdelegates, and most of them are from states that aren't New York and California. She already has most of the "big state" superdelegates. Will superdelegates from smaller states agree that their states don't matter and overturn the election results for Clinton? Highly unlikely.

What will also be interesting to see now is the strategy Obama and Clinton now take. Clinton obviously had some success with her "kitchen sink" strategy of throwing all kinds of attacks at Obama and hoping something sticks (and in the case of Ohio, NAFTAgate stuck). I'd expect them to continue that, especially now with the Rezko trial underway in Chicago. One thing Obama cannot do is sit around and take attack after attack. She made a big issue out of an Obama campaign economic policy guy apparently talking to Canada about some of Obama's views on NAFTA and he seemed to more or less let her say whatever she wanted. He will have to respond quickly and aggressively. He cannot just ignore Clinton. He knows that there is almost no chance that she can win, but ignoring her seems to make him come off arrogant and also serves to fire up her supporters. There will be plenty of time for McCain later.

The other thing to watch now is how superdelegates react this week. Some reports yesterday stated that Obama is sitting on 50 superdelegate endorsements that he has yet to announce. If that is true, and it is a big if, he will be able to halt Clinton's momentum almost instantly. He will also make the math against her winning even more daunting than it already is. I suspect, though, that superdelegates, for the most part, will now stay out of this until May 7th. I'd keep that date in mind because if things go as expected from here until May 7th (Clinton wins PA, Guam while Obama wins Wyoming, Mississippi, North Carolina, Indiana), he will have a clearly dominant pledged delegate lead with only six contests left (four of which he'd likely win -- West Virginia, Oregon, South Dakota and Montana). That is the day I'd expect many superdelegates, including some high ranking members of the party, to begin to solidify behind Obama.

So how can Clinton possibly win? If a major Obama scandal comes out, that could change things. The other scenario is that if she somehow gets Obama's pledged delegate lead down under 100, in which case the Democratic party would probably hold new primaries or caucuses in Florida and Michigan. She still wouldn't be able to make up the pledged delegate gap, but if it's really close, say less than 50, maybe she has some sort of argument to convince some superdelegates to side with her. But this scenario would require that she win EVERY state from now on with 60%+ of the vote. She didn't even win 60% of the vote in her homestate of New York.

So to sum up, winning Ohio and Texas are very positive wins for Clinton. She fought hard for them. But at some point, she will have to explain how she wins the nomination. The fact is that last night was Clinton's best chance to bite into Obama's delegate lead, and she failed miserably. She didn't even gain 20-30 delegates. She gained basically nothing. The media will spin this to her because they jump from one extreme to the next, somebody has to have all the momentum in the weird world of cable news. But the longterm picture is that NOTHING changed last night and, if anything, it is now even harder for Clinton to eat into Obama's delegate lead because she blew her best chance and now has four fewer states in which to gain ground. Don't fall for the short term media hype. At the end of this thing, the media AND the superdelegates will talk NOT about who won what states and how big they are, they will talk about who won more delegates and THAT is the person who will be the nominee. Looking at the delegate count and the upcoming states, there really is no way she wins unless she somehow steals the nomination, in which case none of this matters because the Democratic party would be saying that people's votes don't matter, thus ripping the party apart and handing the November election to John McCain. At this point, she may be positioning herself to get into a position at the end where the party forces Obama to pick her as his Vice President in hopes of uniting the party. Obama probably doesn't want her as his VP, but the longer this goes and the more Clinton supporters begin to dislike Obama (and vice-versa), the more likely it will be that he will have to put her on the ticket to appease her supporters. Even though he is winning, he isn't winning by enough to take the risk of blowing off Clinton supporters and figuring he can win in November without even 20-30% of them.

But Clinton and the media want this to go on, so she bought herself two more months with her wins in OH and TX and on and on we go.


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That was an incredibly articulate analysis - I really appreciate you leaving the emotion and hype of recent events out of it. One can't look at Google news headlines to get a real feel for how the nights primaries actually effected the election in the long run, but you're blog laid it out very clearly. Nicely done.

Posted By: vphy05 (Guest)  on March 05, 2008 at 03:54 AM

 
 
YOU NAILED EVERYTHING JUST RIGHT!!

Posted By: San (Guest)  on March 05, 2008 at 04:11 AM

 
 
if im not mistaken obama still leading
in delegates by 90, so
it's the same as before. hilary gained
technecally nothing,
and going into vermon,
wyoming,south dekota,
indiana, missippi,
peuro rico will put
obama bk in the lead.
make since,but is he
still behind in super
delegates?


Posted By: brian (Guest)  on March 05, 2008 at 06:30 AM

 
 
Great article.totally unbiased and well researched.You sir deserve a bigger platform to air you views instead of simply 411mania.

Posted By: Ed (Guest)  on March 05, 2008 at 06:35 AM

 
 
Ashish where did you get data on the caucus results? I could only find CNN talking about 36% reporting ... nothing conclusive. I agree with almost everything except for West Virginia which will likely go for Clinton. The areas of Virginia that resemble West Virginia demographically (south western Virginia not to be confused with West Virginia) went for Hillary in the VA primary despite her overall trouncing. PA is really the last big fish she can land. KY, WV and Puerto Rico are all medium size fish and Obama would likely make KY close by winning Louisville and Lexington. Obama does need to make sure Wyoming and Mississippi go his way before PA because I think Pennsylvania may be a fight to keep things close. If Ohio did not really budge for him, PA is unlikely to either. Indiana is an interesting case where I can find little about that contest, but it neighboring Illinois seems to favor Obama. Oregon is also a key state for him which he should win.

Posted By: Dan Martin (Registered)  on March 05, 2008 at 06:44 AM

 
 
your analysis is amazing. Most news just said that Sen. Clinton won Texas however Obama probably will take more delegates than her if you add up caucuses results.

Posted By: guest (Guest)  on March 05, 2008 at 07:11 AM

 
 
Best analysis I have seen so far! Nice work.

Posted By: Xaj (Guest)  on March 05, 2008 at 09:57 AM

 
 
Agreed...Ashish's agenda-free analysis keeps me coming back and checking on on the 411 political side. You clearly care about the politics, but don't let whoever you support cloud your coverage. Almost like a journalist or something...=)

Posted By: Tommy (Guest)  on March 05, 2008 at 10:45 AM

 
 
bravo ashish, on target as always

Posted By: stronelis (Guest)  on March 05, 2008 at 10:45 AM

 
 
I can only conclude at this point that the Democrats who are voting for Clinton are gluttons for punishment and WANT to lose this election. And I will be mighty pissed at them if they succeed in doing just that.

Posted By: Ken B. (Guest)  on March 05, 2008 at 11:33 AM

 
 
I am a republican and have no reservations in saying no matter who wins the dem nomination, Clinton or Obama, they will not be getting my vote. That being said, I wanted to say this article was really great. As opposed to the usual far-left hippie blogs you usually find online, this was fair, balanced and made perfect sense. Better then a lot of the punditry the news outlets dish out as well. I agree with a previous post here, you should you be going for a bigger platform to show your views.

Posted By: JP (Guest)  on March 05, 2008 at 12:11 PM

 
 
Ashish, that may have been the most accurate and articulate analysis of last nights results that I have read or heard. Most all the other major news outlets (including last night's "Nightline") are spinning this as a virtual dead-heat between Clinton & Obama when, as you pointed out, that's really not the case at all. A couple weeks ago some of these same media pundits were saying that Clinton needed "slam-dunk" wins in Texas and Ohio to really get ack in the race. She obviously didn't do that in either state, but the fact that she did win them both is now apparently enough to send the media spin machine into full motion. Many thanks for giving us the full story and showing exactly what each candidate did and did not do last night. Amazing to think that 411 is the place to come for the best political insights!

Posted By: rodnumber6 (Guest)  on March 05, 2008 at 12:22 PM

 
 
And this is why I read 411mania and not watch the News.

Posted By: Drew (Guest)  on March 05, 2008 at 01:20 PM

 
 
Spot On! Using every delegate calculator, and generously giving Clinton 60% wins in Indiana, Kentucky, West Virginia, Pennsylvania and Puerto Rico, she is STILL BEHIND significantly. The superdelegates dare not rip the party apart. Hillary, deserves to be our next VicePresident though.

Posted By: Vivek (Guest)  on March 05, 2008 at 05:02 PM

 
 
To those saying Ashish needs a bigger platform, I disagree. He reports fairly and unbiased, getting down to the facts instead of putting a spin on things, which wouldn't work well with the bosses of bigger platforms.

I am an Australian, thus have little interest in American politics except where it affects us, but I have been checking this out because it is the best analysis for an 'outsider' to see into the American system


Posted By: Lynx Raven Raide (Guest)  on March 05, 2008 at 09:01 PM

 
 
411 is fast becoming my go-to site for political coverage, mainly due to Ashish's articles. Not bad for the hallowed ground of Smarkdom.

Posted By: Finn (Guest)  on March 06, 2008 at 10:07 AM

 
 
Now what will happen is the Dumo-crats will show once again their complete lack of morals and values by allowing two NEW illegal elections in Michigan and Florida. Im no Republican but at least THEY dont enforce THEN violate their OWN rules.

Posted By: CottonMouthWolf (Registered)  on March 06, 2008 at 02:14 PM

 
STAY CURRENT

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