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 411mania » Politics » Blog Entry
Latest PA & NC Polls Show Shifts To Obama
Posted by Ashish on 03.25.2008



Two new polls of Pennsylvania and North Carolina, the two biggest remaining states left, were released today and show momentum towards Barack Obama.

- First, Rasmussen now has Clinton up 49% to 39% in Pennsylvania. Last week, she led 51% to 38% and the week before she led 52% to 37%. This data is important for a few reasons. First of all, polls last week seemed to show Clinton expanding her lead in PA, probably due to the Wright controversy. Obviously that has now stopped, at least according to this poll, and Obama is now gaining, even if its only a slight gain. It should be noted that Obama has yet to even start major campaigning in the state. What kind of effect that has remains to be seen. It's also important because the media expectation that is building is that Clinton needs to blow Obama out of PA by 15-20 points. Last week it looked like she could do that. We'll see how the other polls look later this week. The other interesting thing to look at is the poll's favorability survey. Last week, 76% viewed Clinton favorably. This week, that number is down to 68%. Could the Bosnia lie be to blame? The poll was taken yesterday, so it's possible. Meanwhile, Obama's favorability was 72% last week and 71% this week. Considering all the hoopla around how Wright was going to wreck Obama's campaign, you'd think his favorability rating would have dropped more than 1% following a week of near non-stop coverage about Wright. Guess the media got it wrong...again.

- Second, Public Policy Polling now has Obama with a massive lead in North Carolina, 55% to 34%. Normally I wouldn't list a PPP poll since they aren't the most reliable in the world, but the reason I am is because just last week, they released a poll that had the race at 44% to 43% for Obama. That is obviously a HUGE shift towards Obama in just a week. According to the poll internals, the main reason for the shift is white voters. Last week, Clinton led among whites 56% to 30%. This week, that lead is down to 47% to 40%. The most obvious reason for this shift is Obama's praised race speech. Regardless of what she says from now until then, Clinton will have a near impossible time convincing anybody that she still has any sort of shot if she loses NC by more than ten points.

Now, the narrative has already been set that Clinton should win PA and Obama should win NC, but margins matter. Obama has stated that if he finishes within single digits of Clinton in PA, he'd view that as a victory, and the media may buy that. He seems to be in good shape to do that if the Rasmussen poll is accurate.

As for NC, much of the media is now stating that Clinton will have to win PA, Indiana, AND NC to stay in the race. This idea formed largely due to polls last week showing Clinton close in the state. But if this PPP poll is right and she is roughly 20 points behind, a loss that large in a state like NC would crush whatever momentum or hope she may have, or thinks she has. May 6th will be the last chance Obama will have to end this race early. If he wins NC and IN, it will be enough to get the media to stop giving Clinton a chance and will also force the party to consolidate behind him, especially after the Wright controversy. The media and the super delegates are likely to agree that if Clinton can't gain momentum after that (and winning PA won't be viewed as momentum at this point), she likely never will. Even a huge Obama win in NC may be enough to do that. Indiana will be the state to watch as it looks like a total toss up at this point.

The other point to note is that, as I've been saying in my previous columns, the Wright controversy has had no long term effect. It hurt Obama slightly last week, but he has now completely bounced back from it. An argument could even be made that the controversy may have HELPED Obama in religious states like North Carolina where many still feared that he was a Muslim. This controversy has killed off that rumor and also showed people his loyalty to his preacher, something people in religious states take very seriously.


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why does clinton lose her lead in EVERY state as voting day gets closer? geez. she needs to wake up to reality.

Posted By: Guest#1246 (Guest)  on March 25, 2008 at 05:48 PM

 
 
Ashish,

It seems a stretch for you to find the drop of one point per week in PA that signifcant. If it were any other candidate, I don't think you would bother mentioning it. I agree with others on previous comment pages. It appears that we all know the horse you want to win in this primary and the overall election.


Posted By: Drew (Guest)  on March 25, 2008 at 06:08 PM

 
 
Hi Drew,
The reason slight movement toward Obama in PA is worth noting is because it came after a week in which the media said his campaign is falling apart. The fact that he not only stayed in the same place but progressed forward is critically important.

Also, 411 is looking for new political writers. Anyone who feels their views aren't being represented on the site is more than welcome to send me a sample. I want views of all kinds on here.

Thanks,
Ashish


Posted By: Ashish (Registered)  on March 25, 2008 at 06:11 PM

 
 
I might just take you up on that offer.

Posted By: Drew (Guest)  on March 25, 2008 at 06:13 PM

 
 
Drew -- I have to agree with Ashish. It doesn't matter who you support, the fact that Obama is gaining ground (and expanding leads) following the Wright story again proves that the story hasn't hurt him much, if at all. How is that bias? Geez.

And I'm sending my sample in to you tomorrow Ashish.


Posted By: Simon (Guest)  on March 25, 2008 at 06:15 PM

 
 
Hasn't hurt him much against Clinton. Too bad the general election involves Republicans and independents who will e bothered by it.

Posted By: Zack (Guest)  on March 25, 2008 at 06:53 PM

 
 
While it is true that Obama will most likely win the nomination, I still have to ask this question. Ashish, is Obama the candidate of choice for you?

Posted By: Drew (Guest)  on March 25, 2008 at 07:00 PM

 
 
I think it's fairly obvious I support Obama and have stated that in past articles.

Posted By: Ashish (Registered)  on March 25, 2008 at 07:06 PM

 
 
See, now here is my point. A few articles ago you talked about how you respected how Chris Wallace spoke out on Fox News. You claimed the network was unfairly treating Obama during this scandal. Does Fox News have a conservative bias? Yes. When it becomes overt, I agree they should be called out on it. However, I think that if your primary purpose on the political page is to report news, it should be just that. Your analysis tends to get viewed as being pro-Obama by a lot of readers. Granted, there are many that will support your posts and will take me on for this. However, just as you feel compelled to call out a bias for a whole network, I feel the same with your analysis. I say this as a concerned and loyal reader of all 411mania. I have checked out this page for almost a decade and that is why my concern on this issue has finally caused me to make a rare comment.

Posted By: Drew (Guest)  on March 25, 2008 at 07:17 PM

 
 
Great analysis. Wouldn't it be amazing if Obama were to win PA? that would be a media circus! Come on PA let's do something different, take a chance OK.

Posted By: Lisa (Guest)  on March 25, 2008 at 07:26 PM

 
 
When did I ever claim my posts to be news? It's my political blog, full of my opinions on what is going on. I'd recommend Google News or CNN if you just want the latest political news. I don't even try to cover the dozens of new political news items that break everyday. All I'm doing is writing columns with my opinion on certain issues that interest me. It's exactly what the other writers on 411 Politics do. Enrique is a conservative. I have no problem with him saying what he wants and as I've stated, anybody who is a Clinton-supporter, McCain-supporter, or whatever else is welcome to post on this site.

Posted By: Ashish (Registered)  on March 25, 2008 at 07:33 PM

 
 
I will add that I do look at things from every angle I can, and try to be fair. If you'd like to discuss an issue where you think I haven't been fair, I'd be happy to address it.

Posted By: Ashish (Registered)  on March 25, 2008 at 07:35 PM

 
 
I think most reasonable people see the Write episode as being blown out of proportion by a large and vocal right-wing groups. Carefully chosen, out of context and repeated over and over to distort the facts. There's 25% of theis country that still believes in Bush. They can yeall and scream all they want, most Americans are tired of it. When Obama is sworn in you'll hear the heads of the the intolerant right exploding all over America. I can't wait.

Posted By: guest (Guest)  on March 25, 2008 at 07:53 PM

 
 
Barack Obama's speech on race was inspiring and truthful. Hillary's recounting of her Bosnia trip was a fabrication and an insult.

The reality is at the end of the day the party will support the candidate that has the best chance of beating John McCain. That candidate is clearly Barack. Harry Reid has so much as told us that Hillary will get the phone call in early May telling her it is over, and the party will not support her.


Posted By: Brian (Guest)  on March 25, 2008 at 08:28 PM

 
 
Nice article and point well taken. I think the Wright issue was overblown too and those that dislike Obama are going to keep bringing it up but they were not going to vote for him anyway.
I think intelligent, open minded people see both the Wright speech and Obama's reaction as an important "awakening" about racial relations in the US. I think everyone who is leveling criticism at Obama should view Wright's entire sermons and body of work. That would only be fair but I doubt self-serving Republicans and HRC supporters have any interest in doing this. Hell, even Hillary's own church backed Wright in a press release today.
What I really would like to see is a regular supporter of HRC justify Hillary's recent Bosnia whopper and the fact that a recent HRC campaigner, under anonymity , said that HRC has a 10% chance of winning and needed "to break Obama's back" to win. Obviously, this will only help the Republicans. I really want to hear someone other than an Hillary talking head like Carville talking about.
Drew, do you fit the bill?


Posted By: Ryan (Guest)  on March 25, 2008 at 09:36 PM

 
 
How can you speak of gains or losses when the numerical differences are well within the statistical margin of error? The correct thing to say would be: no change has been verified, meaning that we do not know if Obama has been making any gains or not.

Posted By: Natalia Makdisi (Guest)  on March 25, 2008 at 11:53 PM

 
 
Excellent well reasoned and objective analysis

Posted By: Samir (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 12:52 AM

 
 
Obama beat Clinton months ago. He did it by running a smarter, more efficient campaign. He is an excellent organizer and a first class intellect. Clinton can't seem to face reality. He will beat the inferior McCain for the same reasons despite all the attack ads that will be thrown at him. The only knuckleheads who will believe these ads are the ones who still think George Bush is a good president.

Posted By: skyreader7 (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 01:19 AM

 
 
Have any of you guys bothered to watch the whole sermon by rev. wright? it is pretty interesting, he praises 4 american presidents from lincoln to clinton. even calling pres. clinton an intelligent friend to black people. the title is even interesting, Government can change, god never changes? wow what a smear job regarding the gd america line? the next passge uses the operative word if she (america) does not treat her people right. he stated "governement can fail" and proceeds to name the british empire for colonialism, germany for the holocaust, japan for imperialism! This guy is no anti-american wacko. I am watching it again on youtube.

Posted By: raoul (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 05:50 AM

 
 
i am adding my support to simon trying to become a politics writer for 411. I was reading his posts the other day when he was battling it out with 'michael' i have to say his arguments were incredibly articulate with good factual backups. I think he would make an outstanding additon so ashish don't just look at his sample look at his posts of the past fews days all on obama related articles.

Posted By: stronelis (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 12:24 PM

 
 
Obama is a great man and a great American. I'd rather support him and lose than support any of the others. But I don't think he's going to lose.

Posted By: Yazz (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 02:14 PM

 
 
Harry Reid and Nancy pelosi are both tools. They should be stepping aside.

Posted By: Steve (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 02:38 PM

 
 
I think your poll is flawed. I am an involved Democrat and do not sense a shift to Obama. If Obama wins, then paint NC red in November.

Posted By: NC Voter (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 08:23 PM

 
 
with regards to the shifts, Guest#1246, it's quite simple: The more people learn about Obama, the more they like him. But the more people learn about Clinton, the less they like her.

Posted By: wolf (Guest)  on March 28, 2008 at 12:12 AM

 
 
Obama is going to win, its inevitable.

Posted By: I know ok? (Guest)  on April 16, 2008 at 10:42 PM

 
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