Why Obama Shouldn't Pick John Edwards As His VP
Posted by Ashish on 05.16.2008
Since you asked...
A bunch of people asked me yesterday if I think Barack Obama should pick John Edwards as his VP. It seems to be a popular notion among a lot of people, just like the idea of an Obama/Hillary Clinton ticket is popular among many people, but also like Obama/Clinton, it's not something that is likely to happen.
First of all, John Edwards has the rub of a loser. It's unfortunate but it's true. He lost the 2004 Democratic nomination race to John Kerry. He and John Kerry lost the 2004 Presidential election to George W. Bush. And he lost the 2008 Democratic nomination race to Obama.
Second, Edwards does not really help Obama with any group. Yes Edwards is a white male from the South, and that might have some benefits, but there are other white men, including other white men from the South, who would offer more than Edwards. Edwards, contrary to popular belief, isn't that popular among blue collar whites, no more so really than Obama. Edwards lost that voter group to Clinton during the primaries and he and Kerry lost white men to Bush in 2004. And contrary to popular belief, Obama isn't really weak among white workers. All general election polling shows Obama and Clinton getting nearly identical support from whites in a match up against McCain. The Obama camp knows this. When the choice is Obama or Clinton, two DEMOCRATS, a big chunk of white voters picked Clinton, but when the choice is Obama and McCain, a DEMOCRAT and a REPUBLICAN, all polling shows that Obama gets basically the same amount of white support as John Kerry and Al Gore did, and that's all he needs. He'd love more, but he doesn't need it to win.
Third, Edwards wasn't that effective as Kerry's VP. He didn't do that great in his debate against Dick Cheney and was not a good "attack dog" which is one of the most valuable things a VP can offer. I'll admit that Edwards has improved as an attacker since 2004, as we saw him really take charge against Clinton during the primaries long before Obama did, but I don't think that's really enough to warrant picking him.
Forth, Edwards basically endorsed Obama when he had no other choice. He did not stand up and endorse Obama when the race was still going on. Had he endorsed, say, prior to Texas and Ohio, or even Pennsylvania, when it would have shown conviction and proven loyalty to Obama, it may have scored him some points, but he didn't. He waited and endorsed at a time when the outcome of the race is basically known to everyone. Contrast that with someone like Tim Kaine, the Governor of Virginia, who was the first elected official outside of Illinois to endorse Obama, or even someone like Bill Richardson who endorsed Obama at a key time and in the face of intense pressure from the Clintons to not endorse. Those endorsements probably convinced Obama that those guys really believed in him and would be loyal to him, where as Edwards endorsed as much for his own political relevance as he did any sort of loyalty to Obama.
Fifth, Edwards is from North Carolina, a state that will be in play for Obama, but he and Kerry lost it by double digits in 2004. Now, obviously Obama starts off in much stronger position in NC than Kerry did, so Edwards wouldn't have to do as much to deliver the state, but history is history.
Sixth, Obama and Edwards have a somewhat substantial disagreement on healthcare, and Edwards attacked Obama over his healthcare plan several times during the primaries.
Seventh, Edwards has been somewhat branded as a "phony" over the years.
Eighth, Edwards is tied to the past. Much of Obama's campaign is built on the idea of new people, people not tied to the failures of the past, taking over Washington. Edwards, fairly or unfairly, is linked to the past and linked to the high profile 2004 Kerry/Bush election. He is a national figure that is tied to old Washington politics and, again, fairly or unfairly, has a rep of saying one thing and doing another.
Ninth, he voted for the Iraq war.
Tenth, Edwards has no credibility in foreign policy or the military, two areas Obama probably needs his VP to be strong in. Edwards also has no military service, another thing that Obama might want in his VP.
Eleventh, Edwards has no executive experience outside of running for President, a line of criticism often used against Obama. He's also a former Senator. I'd think Obama would pick a Governor as his VP pick as a way of adding executive experience to the ticket without saddling himself with an old Washington figure.
Now, it's not that any one of these items disqualifies anyone from being VP. It's that all of them combined probably do. I wouldn't be surprised, however, to see Edwards get a position in an Obama administration if it comes to that, perhaps as Attorney General.
Bill Richardson, Tim Kaine, Jim Webb, and Kathleen Sebelius still seem to be the favorites to me. All except Webb have stood up for Obama long before they had to, something I think someone like Obama would put a lot of stock in. I just don't see him picking someone who he has no personal connection with or someone who hasn't proven some sort of loyalty to him.
Kaine is a white male, just like Edwards, but doesn't have the 2004 baggage that Edwards has, isn't linked to the past, is young (50) but has executive experience, is new on the national scene, didn't vote for the Iraq war, is very popular as the Governor of Virginia (a state the Obama camp thinks he can win), was born in Minnesota (another state he can help in), and endorsed Obama long before anyone thought Obama could win. The main problem Kaine has, though, is that he is pro-life.
Webb is a white male, was born in the South (in Missouri, a swing state), is a Senator from Virginia (a swing state), is a highly decorated Vietnam War veteran, spent four years with the Reagan Administration as the first Assistant Secretary of Defense for Reserve Affairs and later as Secretary of the Navy, he isn't really a known national figure, is a harsh critic of Bush and would be a very good attack dog considering his military credentials, has mostly moderate positions which plays well in the general election, and his son currently serves in Iraq. It would be a easy way for Obama to add instant military experience and a true American patriot to the ticket. Webb, though, has not endorsed Obama yet (he hasn't endorsed anyone). Kaine would be more valuable in Virginia, since Governors tend to have bigger machines and more influence than Senators, but nationally, Webb could be a real asset, and would also be good to campaign elsewhere in the South to moderate Democrats and Republicans who aren't happy with Bush. His military credentials can't be understated.
Bill Richardson is someone I've spoken about in detail already. He instantly would solve Obama's problems with Hispanic voters and thus deliver more votes overnight to Obama than any other VP pick could, he is the Governor of a swing state (New Mexico), he would be able to campaign to the large number of Hispanics in swing states like Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado, and even Texas, he has more experience than basically anyone, he comes off as a nice guy, and he is a somewhat moderate Democrat. Of course, not having a white person on the ticket is a big risk, and Richardson is prone to saying stupid stuff.
Kathleen Sebelius is probably Obama's top female candidate. She is the Governor of a red state (Kansas), has proven she can campaign to Republicans and win them over, has a lot of experience, would help solve whatever harsh feelings women may have about Hillary Clinton losing, is someone who Obama seems to personally respect, and is in line with Obama's main political themes of working with opponents.
Kathleen Sebelius seems like the best option to me. Since Obama is bringing in the air of change, it would be nice to have a female VP. Furthermore, the butt-hurt Hillary supporters would be pretty hypocritical not to support Obama if Kathleen Sebelius was on the ticket.
Posted By: David R. (Guest) on May 16, 2008 at 04:52 AM
Ashish, many thanks for the analysis. When I asked for your take on John Edwards, I already had my own opinion. I wanted however the benefit fo your views. My opinion is that the political leaders (the President & the VP) must demonstrate passion and conviction. These two qualities are the catalyst for vision. For leaders to be very useful to our country's future, they must possess vision. John Edwards does not show either passion or conviction, and therefore has no vision. If he had passion and conviction, he would have endorsed Obama a long time ago, and took an early and principled stand against the crap that Hillary and Bill were depositing all over our faces. Obama will need a person with his conviction and passion to be a truly worthwhile VP, and of course John Edwards is a no-no in that department. Also like you have properly analysed, he does NOT represent change! This latter is the simple but fundamental reason Hillary is also absolutely unqualified for the ticket herself. She dose NOT represent change. Obama promised and campaigned on the premise of change in Washington, and change we MUST have. For America to find its way in the world again, there MUST be substantial change of the old guard and the old tricks on Capitol Hill. Our country deserves to breathe again, after the utterly disastrous George W. Bush presidency. God bless America.
Posted By: The Baron (Guest) on May 16, 2008 at 10:13 AM
Actually, John Edwards campaigned for more substantial change than any candidate in the race. He was the first to reveal his universal health care plan, which pushed the rest of the candidates to come out with one. He was also the first to come out with a comprehensive plan to attack global warming. He was the most substantial candidate in the race, coming out with very specific plans to solve our problems. Just because we saw his face in 2004 doesn't mean he's not a candidate for change. As far as lacking passion and conviction, have you ever seen Edwards on the stump? If you don't see passion and conviction, you have blinders on. I would hope Obama doesn't base his VP decision based on who sucked up to him the most. He would do well to pick someone who supports him, but is also an independent voice who can step in as president if needed.
Posted By: Brett (Guest) on May 16, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Joe Biden!!!
Posted By: Zman (Guest) on May 16, 2008 at 03:39 PM
Brett, I stand corrected by your observation about Edwards' passion. However, I also spoke of conviction. In politics, particularly at the level of the upper crust of leadership, your conviction is what raises you up a few levels from the rest of the pack. Whether we like it or not, and it is perhaps unfortunate (especially considering the solid qualities you highlighted about John Edwards), history will show that when Edwards had the opportunity, over several weeks and months to firmly and decisively rally to Obama's side, as a matter of principle, thereby FULLY identifying himself with the rallying call for change, and simultaneously ROARING OUT the battle cry against Hillary's and Bill's scandalous and racist anti-Obama strategies, that he, Edwards, DID NOT MOVE. It is perhaps unfortunate, but the records will show that Edwards DID NOT behave in the manner that real leaders do. For the rest or our lives, we will NOT be certain whether Edwards, in his heart, considered Hillary and Bill's behaviour as unacceptable and despicable. We will NEVER know whether he might not have aligned himself with Hillary, if she had won the candidacy, after all the slander and disrespect that she unleashed upon Obie. We will simply NEVER know. For that reason, Edwards does NOT stand out as a true leader. It is perhaps no wonder that he tends to be a political loser. The conviction and the real passion of leadership are evidently not qualities that Edwards possesses. Sorry!!! God bless America.
Posted By: The Baron (Guest) on May 16, 2008 at 03:57 PM
Baron
I find your comments extremely humorous considering how long it took your beloved Obama to finally denounce his pastor who spewed things way worse than the Clintons have. Where was his conviction?
I also find it funny that when presented with a solid argument about how Edwards did actually represent change, you know, by actually stating his ideas/solutions, you don't come back with anything about Obamas ideas/solutions, just more complaining about the Clintons.
Obama is all style and no substance....
Posted By: Chris (Guest) on May 16, 2008 at 05:25 PM
Brett,
Since when was the idea of universal health care a good idea? It's not, especially when you couple it with the misnomer that it's free when it's not. It involves heavy tax raises and little guarantee of any results. A lot of people are content with their health care now. Those people should be allowed to not be in universal health care and also not have to pay any increased taxes for it. Only the people who want high taxes should be the ones paying it.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on May 16, 2008 at 06:16 PM
Chris, let me inform you that Obama is NOT my “beloved Obama” because if he messes up tomorrow this Baron will be the first to bite his butt. Why? Because a young man who holds out so many positives for our country will have to perform, and extraordinarily. I will NOT be soft on Obama! I would expect much more from Obama than I could ever have hoped to receive from Bush, since the latter is clearly an unintelligent cretin, a shame actually and an indictment on Americans for having allowed him to set foot in the Oval Office in the first place. Now, about John Edwards! My only contention about John is that he is not of the category of leader who deserves to be a VP of our country at this moment of our history, particularly in the wake of Tsunami George W. Bush. There will be roles for him at a high level in the administration if he so desires, but he cannot be at the summit because he is not a man of proven and robust conviction. He is not a person of vision. There is a freshness and a reinvigorating quality that a true leader exudes, and this is one of Obama’s strong points. This is why he will be the President tomorrow. It is not for me to take time in these chat columns to try to make a case for Barack’s concrete plans and programmes. Neither have I taken a jab at Edwards’ plans!!! A man of Barack’s ability, superior intelligence, confidence, Gigabytes Generation education and acute perspicacity, along with what Bill Clinton describes as his “brilliant organizational talent and prowess,” will more than prove his great merit in government tomorrow as President. The debate Chris, is about John Edwards' being possibly our VP, and so logically the thrust of my argument is to demonstrate why he does NOT qualify. So, while I take your point in stride, let’s not get sidetracked from what the essence of the debate is. In any case, someone of Obama’s numerous talents and appeal hardly needs The Baron to promote his case. He’s GREAT at that. And Chris, let’s cut the crap and get real man. How can we honestly, wholeheartedly and unhypocritically hold Barack to ransom for the rantings and ravings of a pastor? Let’s get real man! Barack has never been racist, or bigoted, or a religious zealot! Can you imagine what would be of us as a people if we were to hold to ransom all our politicians based on the infelicities of past associations? And what’s worse, based on the ravings of their pastors or neighbours? Let’s STOP this hypocrisy, Chris, because this is exactly the sort of politics that Barack was born to fight against in our country. Can you imagine what would be of the dignity of the Senate if we were to continue ad infinitum to bite off pieces of Senator Byrd’s arse, because he happened to be a Ku Klux Klanner in his misguided youth? God bless America.
Posted By: The Baron (Guest) on May 16, 2008 at 06:55 PM
I guess Chris is whining because his beloved Clintons got kicked to the wayside.
Posted By: The Man (Guest) on May 17, 2008 at 08:03 AM