Hillary Supporters May Be Clinically Insane
Posted by Bryant Daniels on 08.27.2008
At least the angry one's refusing to vote for Obama
After the Clinton unity speech last night at the DNC, I flipped on Larry King who all week is providing Republican rebuttals after each session (he'll be doing the same come the RNC next week). The final segment of the show featured Larry grilling a Hillary supporter by the name of Elizabeth Joyce, a member of the "Just Say No Deal Coalition," who claimed that she was probably not going to vote for Obama and implied that her vote will, if cast, be for McCain. Here's an excerpt from the conversation...
KING: I'm sorry. What does he have to do?
JOYCE: Well, he could certainly ask for my vote, first. All I get from Senator Obama and the DNC in my e-mail box are solicitations for money. I'd like to actually learn more about him as a person. And I'd like him to ask for my vote and not for a donation.
KING: Every time you've watched him speak he hasn't asked for your vote?
JOYCE: Well, I've actually seen him speak live, once, and that was in Indianapolis. And actually he was speaking do to a crowd he felt had already gotten his vote. He didn't ask me, no, or the Clinton supporters with whom I as standing.
Astonishing enough in its Juvenal nature, but when pressed further about what Senator Obama needed to do specifically, Joyce had this to offer....
JOYCE: He needs to reach out. He needs to reach out more to Senator Clinton's supporters. We need to feel like we are included in the party. I am staying in downtown Denver. And what I have witnessed by people that are wearing Obama garb, they're not really including me if I walk through my hotel lobby with my Hillary pin on.
KING: They don't pay attention?
JOYCE: I think that they need to reach out just -- not so much. I mean, I honestly -- they certainly could each out to us as much as Senator Clinton wants us to reach out to them.
Huhwahuh? So this woman is basically looking for a direct person-to-person overture from Senator Obama and for the other kids in the sandbox to include her in their dig to China. If you go to Barackobama.com there is a rather prominent link with a Clinton photo that says "WELCOME HILLARY SUPPORTERS, GET INVOLVED." I don't see the "welcome Mike Gravel nutcases, let's get this crazy train movin!" button. This sort of narrow-minded, nonsensical thinking may in fact doom the dems come November. What's the sense in voting for a person who supports none of the same legislation you support, because you're spiteful? Or perhaps the question should be, "why not support someone who holds close the same values you do?" Say what you will about the primaries, but they're dirty all around. Everyone takes their lumps; I'd argue many more than they should in a battle amongst like-minded politicians. But the fact is that if you truly support Hillary Clinton or her politics then you'll vote for Obama. It's just that simple.
Man oh man if you dont vote for obama in 411's eyes you are a evil neocon or racist. WOW 411 are you Obamas delagets or what. IM not voting obama because i do not like his socialist style. thats from me not fox news. Sorry but some of the poor needs to stop thinking the government will take care of them. Sorry communism does not work
Posted By: 411 bias (Guest) on August 27, 2008 at 04:08 PM
It was never about values and politics it was about something more, maybe the history of putting the first woman in office or Obama being black, it's those type of people he would never reach. I think he has a lot more support than we think he does from Clinton supporters there are just a couple who are so vocal and crazy that they would never be won over.
Posted By: Guest#1382 (Guest) on August 27, 2008 at 04:37 PM
If Obama loses a tight race, these are the people who will be directly responsible for all of the tragedies that befall our country over the next four, and, let's not kid ourselves, eight years.
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on August 27, 2008 at 04:43 PM
I saw this last night as well. In all fairness to Ms. Joyce, she did in fact say she would NOT vote for McCain, but that Obama has not gotten her vote yet either.
I was with you in that, hearing her speak, she esentially wanted Obama to call her and ask her for her vote. At almost every speech I've seen Obama give (and thanks to CNN's live video feed online, that's quite a bit), he says he needs every vote to win this, and he needs their vote.
I don't know what else she, and other Clinton supporters want. Obama agrees with 95% of what Clinton believes in, McCain agrees with way less than that, so by saying you are going to vote for McCain means you were never invovled in her campaign for what Hillary Clinton was fighting for, such as universal health care, economic policy, foreign policy, etc.
It means you were in her campaign for the wrong reasons. I vote for the candidate that I agree with. I do not agree with McCain, I agree with Obama, I agree with Clinton. Had Clinton won, I would have been upset, but I would have cast my vote in September for Hillary Clinton, like anyone that was involved in her campaign SHOULD, based upon the issues.
Posted By: Darrel Smith Jr. (Guest) on August 27, 2008 at 04:57 PM
I am so tired of the die hard Clinton supporters who are so upset about Obama. Look, it was a PRIMARY! Nasty things happen in primaries because the candidates have to separate themselves, when in truth they are very similar. You can't get your feelings all hurt because one candidate smears your candidate. It's what happens in primaries. And now the Clinton supporters are willing to take their ball and go home because the Obama supporters are big meanies to them. I don't know where this idea that Obama is nothing more than a mental construct of all of his supports came from but last I checked, he's just the candidate and doesn't control their behavior. As for this woman, she is incredibly narcissistic if she things the crowd in a lobby even notices her pin and has decided to ostrasize her because of it. It's just ridiculously childish. If you don't believe in Obama's leftist views, that's fine, vote for McCain, but if you are a democrat and are upset at the bruising Hillary got, so you are not going to vote, that is just irresponsible.
Posted By: xjuggernaughtx (Guest) on August 27, 2008 at 05:12 PM
Whoops, November. I would have cast it in NOVEMBER for Clinton. I'm getting married in two days, so it's a little crazy.
Posted By: Darrel Smith Jr. (Guest) on August 27, 2008 at 05:36 PM
I have a friend that was a Hillary supporter. After a political discussion where I told her all the things Hillary and herself believe the McCain fights against AND how Hillary went back on her vow not to count Michigan and Florida, she admitted "What if Obama starts reparations and quotas? And that preacher, they hate white people and we don't need that." In essence a white person who stands for everything she's against is better than a black man that agrees with her. To her credit she couldn't look me in the eye, and I kinda didn't want to look her in her eye either. There are a lot of closet racists. Don't vote because someone is black or white, bot because of beliefs.
Posted By: Eric L (Guest) on August 27, 2008 at 05:36 PM
Good way to end a friendship right there.
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on August 27, 2008 at 05:55 PM
What I don't get is what the PUMA's have to complain about, other than they didn't get a woman in the WH this time around. If they're complaining about the bruising Hillary got, well it certainly wasn't from Obama, who didn't really go after her like he could have. He could easily have brought up the half-dozen scandals in the Clinton administration, several of which were laid at Hillary's doorstep, or Hillary's horrible management of the effort to reform health care, not to mention having only marginally more experience than Obama (and from a POV even less, as she only spent 4 more senate years, while Obama spent a good deal of time in the IL legislature). These people are just plain idiotic, and they certainly don't stand for what Hillary stands for. If they think that an Obama loss means a potential Hillary victory in 2012, they're dead wrong--it will only mean that Hillary gets blamed for his loss.
Fortunately, the whackos seem to be a relatively small, if vocal, groups, and will probably not determine the election.
Posted By: Michael L (Guest) on August 27, 2008 at 06:09 PM
The so-called "PUMA" movement is perhaps the most nonsensical political movement I've ever seen. I could understand staying home in protest, or writing in Clinton's name. I mean, some of these people may not trust Obama or may not think that he's ready, and those are valid concerns. Voting for McCain, however, is pure lunacy if you believe in the things that Hillary has fought for her entire life. A vote for McCain is a vote against universal health care, it's a vote against equal pay for equal work, it's a vote against abortion rights, it's a vote for a conservative Supreme Court. Even if you can't vote for Obama, show some respect for the person that you claim to support and DON'T vote for someone who represents the very antitheses of everything she has ever stood for.
Posted By: EvelJim (Registered) on August 27, 2008 at 07:40 PM
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