Summary of Liberal talking points for all you crazy undecideds out there
Hit list style:
Change-Taxes: Look guys, we're not actually asking for a LOT of change. Essentially it works like this. Obama wants to gradually pull the plug on the War in Iraq and McCain wants to stay indefinitely. Obama wants to take the resources we're donating to the War in Iraq and put them into Afghanistan, arguing that we can't afford to prosecute both correctly (especially now). McCain apparently wants to ramp up (pretty enormously) the resources in Afghanistan WHILE continuing to prosecute Iraq at this level.
Obama's argument is that we have to be smart about the war on terror, that Iraq FOR the sake of Iraq is not entirely essential, that we'll do enough to make sure it's safe and get out of there, and McCain can't countenance leaving Iraq for at least a little while.
Those are two viewpoints it is reasonable to divide on. Here's the problem:
Iraq costs an enormous amount of money. If you want to bring Afghanistan to that level it will cost an enormous amount of money.
Obama says we can't do anything like that without taxing some people, little as we like it. McCain says we can do it while CUTTING taxes on everybody.ENORMOUSLY on companies which, of course, provide the most government revenue.
Look, this isn't rocket science. I realize this is Republican fiscal policy but Republican fiscal policy only works when the government does not spend enormously. And military spending does not get a free pass. Nothing that the government could do these next eight years could cost more than having two Iraqs to fund. Not even close. And McCain doesn't even want to pay for it. It's not any kind of surprise that the National Debt skyrockets under Republicans since Reagan. You want to do stuff, you have to pay for it. How is that a difficult concept?
Even right now with McCain's plans costing less than Obama's (not factoring in TWO full scale wars where right now we have 1.5) the debt will go up 1.5 trillion more under McCain. And we have to pay off the interest on the debt even if we don't pay the debt. And that's already about the fourth or fifth biggest item on the budget.
I'm sorry, but you have to tax if you want to spend. Call it "Socialism" if you must, but just realize that you're calling every even-close-to-modern president before Reagan a socialist. Obama's tax hikes, on rich people, won't even come close to matching those rates.
Controversy: Actually, Jeremiah Wright comes from a long and distinguished tradition. Ever read your Bible? The Old Testament is pretty much entirely concerned with "Israel sucks", and Jesus sure hates "the man" as well. His first move upon entering Jerusalem is to beat the crap out of a bunch of money lenders. Some people think this country's recent failures are the result of gays, Wright thinks it's due to injustice and intolerance.
But that doesn't make him, or the fact that Obama knows someone who forty years ago did some bad things, or that he once went to a farewell party for a distinguished academe whose views might not be entirely kosher—my god how could he be so thoughtless-- any less of a red herring. Shockingly, it's Prez Bush who said it best:
"I like the idea of people running for office. There's a positive effect…Maybe some will run for office and say, vote for me, I look forward to blowing up America. I don't know, I don't know if that will be their platform or not. But it's—I don't think so. I think people who generally run for office say, vote for me, I'm looking forward to fixing your potholes, or making sure you got bread on the table."
Besides, we got that balance o' powers up there. Even when Obama tries to pass executive order Jihad 3, it's likely that congress or the Supreme Court will be able to block it, y'know? That's sort of the point.
Abortion, Homosexuality
I understand that Obama is touring the country one last time, sleeping with dudes at every planned parenthood facility. This is really America's most important issue?
Palin:
If McCain wins, Sarah Palin will be in a position of power. Sarah Palin. I'm not kidding. She is dangerously, insanely ambitious. She ran for mayor of Wasilla on the platform of "Wasilla's first Christian mayor" which was shocking news to the previous mayors of Wasilla who had no idea their collective Hinduism was a problem. She's like that mom from Mean Girls but on steroids. She'll say anything, and get rid of anyone in her way to get what she wants. And the fact that she wants raped mothers to keep their babies somehow makes up for that?
The World:
The world, in general, views with dread a John McCain presidency. Not because John McCain himself is so bad, but because the last eight years were so bad. Never has America ignored the wishes of our allies and friends more thoroughly and more disastrously than in the last eight years. A vote for Obama says "oops, sorry about that." A vote for McCain says "and we're going to do it to your sister, too!" Just the truth, fair or not. And frankly, seeing as McCain's approach to dealing with world problems is the silent treatment, coupled with flashpoint aggression, it's a little bit fair.
Judgment:
McCain is a good man. Still, he's a good man. The tragedy of this election is that he'd be doing much better right now if he was EITHER a much better man or a much worse one. His weakness in allowing his surrogates and especially Vice President to go so negative in so foolish a way (it's not that they were lies, but that they were stupid lies) has actually been compounded by his inability to bring himself to fully endorse those things. At some point when you call a guy a socialist, or suggest terroristic associations, somebody is going to ask you "do you think he's a socialist, do you think he's anti-American." And if you're not willing to say yes to that, don't go there.
There is no getting around the fact that McCain's two major "game-changing" decisions of this campaign—Sarah Palin, and the laughable "suspension" of the campaign—were and are flops. They were impulsive, and reckless, and dared everything on very little. Guys, we've been there.
McCain was right about what would work in Iraq, and Obama was wrong. But that sidesteps the major question: is Iraq right in the first place? That we're there and that it would be dishonorable and embarrassing to "lose" is true, but what if that's the right thing for this country? Not because we can't win—we certainly can, whatever winning means in this case—but because it is smarter, and makes us safer, to concentrate on Afghanistan instead and we can't do that with Iraq around our next.
And how are we going to bring the world along with us on anything if McCain won't even talk to Spain, a NATO ally? Do we really still believe we can force other nations to do what we want merely by making them crave our attention? What is this, geopolitics for parents of two year olds? Will they even care or will they just kind of go on, you know, (in the case of Iran, for example) developing nuclear weapons glad to be free of interference?
Obama on the other hand, has stuck to his guns. You can say he "lied" about campaign financing, fairly enough, but it's more like he changed his mind when he realized the other was a much better option. What exactly is unethical about accepting funds from, you know, human beings?
He picked the VP he wanted, not the one that was politically expedient. He's his own man, and he makes the decisions that make sense to him. When everyone was telling him to panic, he kept his cool, and so far, he's been vindicated. And he's a good man too. Sorry Giuliani, but a community organizer is someone who spends their days trying to help other people.
There's not a lot of difference between these two men. There's major differences between how they behave, how they approach decisions, and whether or not they think to the bottom of the things that face them.
We'd, all of us, like not to be taxed any more. But for the love of God, you have to pay for what you do. We'd like to constantly maintain America's honor in all of her combats, but sometimes we need to recognize that there are better ways to achieve our goal, and that is more important than pride. And it really is as simple as that.
And now from America's greatest band:
"Somebody once asked, could I spare some change for gas, I need to get myself away from this place/ I said yep, what a concept, I could use a little fuel myself/ and we could all use a little change."
I, for one, am voting for Obama (in part), BECAUSE he used to "pall around" with 60's radical William Ayers...
Posted By: basawa (Guest) on November 03, 2008 at 11:21 AM
For all the points you made, I have one major qualm:
"America's greatest band"?!?
Posted By: Bisch (Guest) on November 03, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Earning $150m a year is a good living, hard to argue otherwise, but I am not "rich". Rich people do not need to work in order to afford their standard of living.
I am working on my unfunded mandate called retirement. Obama's plan goes directly at me, taking money from my retirement reducing my standard of living.
And if you folks think that Obama will save anything through eliminating "waste and mismanagement", you must suffer from systematic optimism.
I'll satisfy my statutory obligations to the State regardless of how quickly it consumes increasing shares of my income.
The Obama Tax calculator is hilarious. Even when staying below Obama's "your too successful" income range, anyone who has done well for themselves gets the wood.
Run the numbers for a sixty-year old couple earning $35,000.00 and who have paid into government programs their entire life versus a twenty-year old couple earning $20,000.00. Wonder who gets a larger tax cut and by what degree?
Finally, could we all stop attributing historic budgetary outcomes to individual parties. Since Reagan, single party rule of Executive and Legislative branches occurred in 8 of the 28 years. Both parties are responsible for the good and the bad, and to say otherwise is getting a little tedious.
Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest) on November 03, 2008 at 12:10 PM
I think it more accurate to say that I will have to pay for what you do. For the love of God that is.
Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest) on November 03, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Smash Mouth, Andrew? Really? SMASH MOUTH??!!
Posted By: Mike (Guest) on November 03, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Would Smash Mouth rank in the top 100 of America's great bands? The top 500? The top 1000?
Posted By: JD Koziarski (Registered) on November 03, 2008 at 01:22 PM
Adam's comments are pretty hilarious. The idea that Social Security is some sort of hostage situation where people don't want it. Then why does George Bush Sr, draw it?
Look, no one is perfect, but my party has failed to find a single reason why Obama would be bad for the country. The tax argument is so weak. Under Bush this country's government has grown, spending has gotten out of control and there hasn't been a single moment of fiscal responsibility. John McCain wants to continue the same path and even expand some of these programs to become bigger.
Republicans are voting in large numbers for Obama, similar to Reagan-Democrats, because Obama is actually offering a MUCH closer vision to the actual Republican ideology. Smaller government, reigning in spending, smart, conservative fiscal programs.
There hasn't been a bigger spender and wasteful tax abuser in years since Bush and McCain's plans actually increase all of those. Obama will put a stop to it, it's why so many Republicans are voting Obama this year.
Posted By: Republicans for Obama (Guest) on November 03, 2008 at 01:55 PM
I thought Smash Mouth was one of those TV bands like the Monkees.
Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest) on November 03, 2008 at 01:57 PM
FUCK YEAH SMASHMOUTH!
Posted By: Guest#4143 (Guest) on November 03, 2008 at 02:32 PM
Good to have you back Admiral!
Yeah, alright, Smashmouth is actually America's 934th greatest band.
I rounded up.
I'd actually be cool with not taxing PEOPLE any more, no matter what they're making, or say, if it's over 1 million, so long as we can go back to taxing the shit out of big companies. Because you gotta pay for it somehow, y'know?
Posted By: Andrew Tobolowsky (Registered) on November 03, 2008 at 02:44 PM
didn't make sense not to live for fun, your brain gets smart but your head gets dumb!
Posted By: yeah! (Guest) on November 03, 2008 at 02:48 PM
Thanks. You just convinced a lot of people to vote for McCain.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on November 03, 2008 at 03:38 PM
Andrew,
Without question you are correct and I have echoed your sentiments over the past few years. At some point, someone has to pay the bills. Which sort of get at my expectations. George Bush campaigned on "Read My Lips, No New Taxes". Within a year of taking office, he raised taxes after the realization that without additional revenue, the annual deficit would be four billion. When Clinton first ran under similar circumstances as today his cornerstone economic policy was a "middle class tax cut". Upon taking office and being confronted with the actual state of the public's finance, President Clinton broke campaign promise and stopped supporting a middle-class tax cut.
No matter how you massage the data, split the hairs or blatantly ignore the government's obligations, Obama will face the same situation but worse. Something will have to give and I am willing to bet dollars and donuts that what give's will be Obama's so-called and poorly defined tax policies.
On CNBC this afternoon, the host attempted for the entire interview to get Obama's spokesman to define a "small business" The policy is that small business will have their capital gains obligations dropped to zero. That would be a great idea provided the policy would define what exactly is a "small business". For twenty minutes the Obama dude would not or could not define the benefactors of the policy change.
So none of us should be surprised when Obama's so-called tax policies never even get put into the Congressional hopper because the numbers simply do not add-up.
Nice column, Carry On Mr. Tobolowsky.
Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest) on November 03, 2008 at 04:59 PM
You have to laugh at how some people could be given the deed to the planet, after it has been completely dipped in bronze, and they would STILL howl about paying taxes.
"Rich people do not need to work in order to afford their standard of living."
By that logic, no one is rich so long as they spend every penny they take in and still want more stuff. 'Yeah, I know Timmy needs school books and teachers, but I only have ONE yacht, I'm not rich!' I have supervisors at work making six figures who are whining about having to take three furlough days while others are being laid off. Capitalism is the greatest fiscal concept mankind has ever created, but it doesn't work if a small percentage of the players try to hold onto all the chips. McCain thinks that's fine and harbors a winner take all mentality, Obama doesn't. Vote accordingly.
Posted By: Shockmaster (Guest) on November 03, 2008 at 05:26 PM
Damn, Andrew...you're growing on me. Very good article. I'd love to curb-stomp William Ayers, though. People like him need to be shot in the back of the head and left to rot. Fucking gutless hypocrite. Decry violence by using violence. Yeah, right.
Posted By: Jim C (Guest) on November 03, 2008 at 08:38 PM
Thanks guys! Honor to serve. No matter what happens tomorrow, hopefully we'll all still be here. And I guarantee you if the other guy wins, my first thought will be "congratulations, and oh my God please don't die."
Posted By: Andrew Tobolowsky (Registered) on November 03, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Shockmaster. Thank you for the player hating. Why do you believe that earning $150m/yr pre-tax and discussing policy change on ones retirement plan equates with being given the deed to the planet, after it has been completely dipped in bronze.
'Yeah, I know Timmy needs school books and teachers, but I only have ONE yacht, I'm not rich!'
You honestly draw the above from the comment about wealth and affording one's standard of living. Your such a literalist Shockmaster.
Someday you will be fortunate enough to earn $150m/yr. When you do, feel free to come over and join the discussion with the rest of the grown-ups.
Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest) on November 04, 2008 at 02:13 AM