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 411mania » Politics » Blog Entry
The U.S. Auto Industry Doesn't Deserve a Bailout
Posted by Enrique on 11.20.2008





On Tuesday, the heads of the U.S. auto industry "Big Three" were in Washington, begging our elected representatives to save them from themselves. General Motors CEO Rick Wagoner predicted a dire fate for America, saying the failure of U.S. automakers would lead to "economic devastation." Wagoner predicted at least three million job cuts in the first year after bankruptcy, as well as $150 billion in personal income lost. Wagoner assured the Senate Banking Committee that the $25 billion he and his associates were asking for is a small price to pay to avert catastrophe.

Naturally, when you're asking for a lot of money and need it very quickly, it helps to wildy exaggerate the consequences of inaction. After all, exploiting fear is the primary method of persuasion in political discourse. Just like the $700 billion Wall Street bailout, the American taxpayer is being asked to take it on faith that spending $25 billion to protect a few mismanaged corporations is sound economic policy, and don't ask for details. While the collapse of the U.S. auto industry would be regrettable in many ways, it wouldn't be the end of the world. And even if it was, it's not as if we can afford it right now. And even if we could afford it, the auto industry simply hasn't done anything to deserve it.

The story so far...

Support for an auto industry bailout is usually couched in terms of "protecting" jobs. Earlier this month, after a private meeting with the Big Three, Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, "Today, the Democratic leadership discussed how to protect hundreds of thousands of workers and retirees..." After this week's hearing, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said, "If we move forward, we can protect and create American jobs, help working families and prevent our economy from falling even further into recession."

If Pelosi and Reid want to protect jobs, they could make it illegal for any employer to lay off a worker. That would be the ultimate protection, no? Of course, that would also be very, very silly - no sensible person believes the government could guarantee immutable employment for all able-bodied American adults through legislation. But if that's silly, then it's no less silly (not to mention manifestly unjust) for the government to selectively guarantee certain kinds of employment in specific industries. With all due respect to our congressional leaders, this isn't about protecting workers - it's about protecting a labor union.

The federal government never bothers to protect retail workers with subsidies, as if the over 7,000 soon-to-be-former Circuit City employees don't have families to feed. Are those erstwhile Circuit City workers less worthy of protection than auto industry employees? Obviously, yes - they didn't belong to a union that gave $1.3 million to Democrats this past election cycle (with less than $7,000 to Republicans), and over $24 million since 1990. Other than greasing the wheels of the Democratic Party, why does the UAW deserve a bailout?

Even those who favor a bailout seem to acknowledge the U.S. auto industry business model is irreparably flawed. Some politicians fault Big Three management for focusing on the manufacture of large, gas-guzzling cars that are out of favor in the current market. The government often tut-tuts U.S. car makers for not making more fuel-efficient vehicles, but again, the UAW is chiefly responsible for these business practices. Smaller cars have smaller profit margins, and when your labor costs are excessive, you can only make money selling large, expensive vehicles. How excessive? Michigan-based economics professor Mark J. Perry provides this handy chart.



By any reasonable standard, UAW members earn exorbitant wages compared to the average American taxpayer. And yet, it's the American taxpayer that's expected to protect the jobs of the same workers who have effectively bankrupted their employers with outrageous compensation demands. If there was ever a group of people who have earned the right to experience the adversity of unemployment, it's the membership of the UAW. In fairness, we are all motivated by self-interest, and few of us will turn down job perks when offered. But I suspect most of us would be flexible with our employers during an economic downturn on the question of compensation - after all, it's better to take a pay/benefit cut than a job cut. Then again, most of us haven't been the beneficaries of ludicrous perks like Jobs Bank:

[O]ne of the U.A.W.'s most prized accomplishments — winning income security for its laid-off members — is not helping the union as it argues for money to help protect its workers at a time when employees across other industries are facing layoffs.

The U.A.W. program, called the Jobs Bank at G.M., provided nearly full pay for laid off workers while they waited for new jobs. A new version of it is less generous, but has left an impression in the public imagination of a place where workers sit around getting paid for doing nothing.
Working families, indeed. I understand that many Americans believe it's the government's job to redistribute wealth, but it seems crass to force taxpayers to subsidize a relatively affluent segment of the population. For all intents and purposes, UAW workers are "the rich." It's a pity that many of them will have to find less lucrative work when the auto industry collapses, but that's no justification for turning them into permanent welfare queens.

Contrary to popular belief, if the Big Three fail, it won't be the end of the American auto industry. The Big Three will reorganize under Chapter 11, but they won't shut down entirely. Meanwhile, without a government-subsidized competitor, existing car companies will grow, and new car companies will emerge (presumably with business models unburdened by union labor). Jobs are lost and companies fail every day, even in a good economy. The government can't be trusted to decide which businesses are worth bailing out, because it will discriminate in favor of political patrons. And the American taxpayer should not be held responsible for protecting a reckless union from a fate of its own making.

Let Detroit go bankrupt.


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Well said enrique.

Back to form here. Bravo Bravo


Posted By: hhhh (Guest)  on November 20, 2008 at 01:19 AM

 
 
There is nothing good about "rescuing" the Detroit automakers. They have been bleeding cash for a few decades now. All a giant cash infusion will do is allow them to lose money for another year or two. Not only do they need to file chapter 11 to escape from their ludicrous union obligations, they need to seriously consider investing a few hundred million into moving their factories to right-to-work states. While it would be rather expensive in the short run, I am willing to bet it would save big bucks in the long run.

Posted By: Archer (Guest)  on November 20, 2008 at 02:18 AM

 
 
In other words, Enrique WANTS another great Depression. What a ******* idiot!

Posted By: David (Guest)  on November 20, 2008 at 02:34 AM

 
 
And it looks like David wants unsustainable corporations to continue operating consequence-free, at our expense. So who's the real idiot?

Posted By: Archer (Guest)  on November 20, 2008 at 09:09 AM

 
 
The U.S. auto industry doesn't deserve a bailout but, they will probably get one anyways. There are a lot of American jobs at stake and I don't believe that the Gov. will let it happen. There definitely needs to be restructuring in the auto head management as well as CEOs, looks like it might not happen the way we want it to be.

Posted By: The Big O (Guest)  on November 20, 2008 at 10:04 AM

 
 
"The government often tut-tuts U.S. car makers for not making more fuel-efficient vehicles, but again, the UAW is chiefly responsible for these business practices."

And here I thought management was responsible for making business decisions. I also wasn't aware these companies are forced to accept labor agreements they can't sustain. That chart you used is cute too, going with "total compensation" instead of actual wages in order to inflate the numbers. For those who don't know total compensation includes the claimed cost of all benefits, and is a standard tactic to dramatize what union workers are getting so they ask for less. That's not to say unions aren't cartoonishly greedy in their demands, but management is dishonest as well. The entire reason organized labor was born is because companies don't give a damn if their employees live or die as long as they're making money.

The "Big Three" CHOSE not to spend money to modernize and make fuel efficient vehicles that are in demand. They CHOSE to agree to excessive labor contracts. Now their poor management is coming back to haunt them. Unions are not evil and they're not the problem.

Oppose the bailout because it does nothing to solve the problem of incompetent management, sets a horrible precedent, and the point about selective bailouts based on politics is a valid one. Oppose it beacuse there is no easy fix to this economy and companies with bad business practices SHOULD cannibalize each other as part of the market fixing itself. Why are there no merger talks? Why is there ZERO financial documentation to support a nice round figure like $25 billion? Why should our tax dollars be used on something GUARANTEED TO FAIL? So many valid reasons to oppose this.


Posted By: Guest#3536 (Guest)  on November 20, 2008 at 10:38 AM

 
 
A typical Conservative Republican anti-union rant. It's amazing, they think Unions are great....as long as they're in Poland. Let's be honest, most UAW members live in the North, and don't vote Republican so "xxxx-em" they didn't vote for us.

Posted By: Frank (Guest)  on November 20, 2008 at 11:43 AM

 
 
I agree with Guest#3536 (Guest), poor business plans and awful management is the problem.

Personally I think that a bailout is needed to preserve jobs, but that money needs to be used as an investment in upgrading the companies.

The government needs to invest in the car market anyways, if for the simple reason to update fuel efficiency.

I would recommend the government investing money into the oil and car industry and providing patents on hybrid or alternative fuel sources- maybe along the lines of modernizing gas stations into hybrid charging/refueling stations, then giving patents and money to the auto industry to update their production lines- in exchange for tax breaks and an agreement to keep those jobs stateside. The Unions would need to work on capping benefits and payrolls until the modernization was complete.

And of course any executive found using government money to update their home or office would be punished if the company is operating in the red.


Posted By: The Spook (Guest)  on November 20, 2008 at 11:44 AM

 
 
Rick Wagoner might be an ass, but he's right. having GM, Chrysler and Ford go to Chapter 11 won't just effect UAW workers and GM employees but it has an effect on ever corporation and dealership that works with these companies and the towns and business that they employees interact with, and Archer having the jobs move to right to work states is just a horrible idea, clearly some hasn't watched "Roger & me" to understand what happens when you simply pull out a life line from area and move it someplace else.

I come from a very biases in my regards for the auto industry, my grand father was UAW / GM, my mother has a job as an engineer at GM, I worked at GM for two summers while at college, I know what the inside of a GM plant is like and I know what the people inside a GM plant are like. The average U.A.W. members are paid well, yes, (please keep in mind, the graph posted is *very* misleading because union dues, C.O.L.A. and benefits are factored into that amount shown, so most UAW members *do not* walk away with that much money) but they work hard and it is not the employee's fault for how a.) the UAW is structured and b.) How management is run... but without a bail out they will be the one to suffer. Not Rick Wagoner, not even the highest ranking members of the UAW, but the employees themselves.

The UAW has decided to meet GM half way, now non assembly line employees (Pipe fitters, Security, Janitors, etc.) who were union employees are now out sourced and are no longer UAW. This is a huge change in how they did business. It use to be a complete “UAW only” plant that is slowly changing due to demand / business.

The UAW and GM management need to be restructured, there is no doubt about that, but to cut them off at the knees while they are down is not only risky to the companies, it's detrimental to the societies they exist in. The death of GM and Chrysler (though, Chrysler is already shutting its doors) in Delaware alone would be the loss of thousands of jobs, but also cripple the already fragile economy in New Castle County. The effect of the Auto industry going down would be more detrimental in the short term then the entire Stock Market / Banking industry to Delaware and Delaware has and is the Banking Capital of the U.S. (only Richmond, VA comes in second).

Look, all industrial groups would love a hand in the bail out, and there are other corporations that are being hit as hard as GM, Chrysler and Ford, but the US government made and stance a drew a line in the sand with the Wall Street bail out, and it’s now the governments responsibility to help out the US Auto industry as well.


Posted By: Andrew John Mitchell (Guest)  on November 20, 2008 at 02:59 PM

 
 
Are all of you that state that UNIONS are not at fault even thinking about what you are saying? You say they "chose" to agree.... They are FORCED to agree my friend. If you have most of your top employees sitting out due to a UNION sanctioned protest for "better" pay, it is FAR more reasonable to just give up on the pay and get the workers back than have to train brand new people without any experience. The NFL tried it in the 80 and we all know how great that worked. The Auto Industry is its own cancer. Workers greed for more pay and executives greed for more pay have driven their company into the dirt. So screw them and let them sort themselves out. Make paycuts and if they refuse then fire them. Its not worth the risk of losing your company.... or maybe to them it is and to them I say... GOOD-BYE and GOOD RIDDANCE!

Posted By: Truth (Guest)  on November 20, 2008 at 04:51 PM

 
 
Look everyone Truth is saying he wouldn't take a raise if it was offered to him. What guy!

Don't worry, if one of the 3 go under it will trickle down through steel plants, dealerships, truck drivers, and even to your job at SubWay, so you will have your chance.


Posted By: null2099 (Guest)  on November 20, 2008 at 05:19 PM

 
 
Oh those dreaded greedy unions!

Never mind the fact that the Big 3 make big ugly vehicles that nobody wants to buy.


Posted By: matt (Guest)  on November 20, 2008 at 06:15 PM

 
 
To the union workers: Boo fucking Hoo! Its excessive greed of the unions that make the 3 uncompetitive. They DESERVE to fall. Thats how the market works. worthless companies fail.

Now everyone keeps predicting gloom and doom. However, the big 3 going down creates a vacuum for new car companies. Efficient car companies to take their place. And displaced auto workers will find new jobs at these new companies or if they are really competent they shouldnt have difficulty finding jobs elsewhere

But the truth of the matter is that they wont be paid as much as they were because they were over-paid to begin with relative to the work that they did.

Finally the tickle down effect on other industries is just bullsh!t fear mongering. You know there are OTHER car makers. So the steel companies and dealerships will be getting plenty of business from toyota and honda and the like. You may not like it, however competitive advantage may no longer be in the US.

This is exactly why china is beginning to overtake us. Their workers work FAR longer for LESS pay and LESS complaints. No wonder we like outsourcing our stuff to them


Posted By: hhhh (Guest)  on November 20, 2008 at 09:58 PM

 
 
i dont think the big 3 deserve a bailout when they produce an inferior product.

but they do deserve one just because of the millions of jobs at stake.

you have the plant workers, the car sales people, the parts dealers, the service industry and so on.

if they get it. they need to serious restructure their entire organizations from top to bottom.


Posted By: jd (Guest)  on November 20, 2008 at 10:41 PM

 
 
I live in Flint, Michigan. That's the home of the great sit-down strike that brought the UAW to the forefront, for those that don't know.

My grandfather and great-grandfather were original strikers. I think that they'd be ashamed that what they fought for has turned into this horrible piece of crap called the UAW.

Back then, GM owned the city. It was run by ruthless bastards that would say things like "oh, that faulty machine injured you? You can't work for a month because it tore your arm up? Well, we don't need you anymore, you're fired." My relatives worked to put an end to practices like that.

They didn't work to put an end to drunks being put back on the line after getting fired for showing up in no condition to work. They didn't fight for some lazy shithead to be able to have his friend punch in for him while he was home sleeping. They didn't go through hell so some ass could find a hiding spot and spend his day sorting baseball cards and getting paid $20+ per hour to do it. I've personally encountered all of these examples and more.

They certainly didn't fight for asshats to live WAY beyond their means. I had a customer complain a while back because with the proposed buyout of his employment, he wouldn't be able to afford his 2 houses, his boat, his SUV, his mobile home and all his other luxury items. He said he depended on that high weekly check and all the overtime to pay his bills. WAHHHHHHH! Learn to live on a budget like the rest of us.

Not all unions are bad, don't get me wrong. There are smaller unions that will fight like hell for their people... but the UAW has become bloated and belligerent over the years, confident that it has GM by the short hairs and can get away with anything it wants.

GM isn't innocent in this either, but that's a rant for another time.


Posted By: Scott B (Guest)  on November 21, 2008 at 01:11 AM

 
 
Yeah get rid of the unions...

That's REAL smart. Things were terrible before the unions mate. Do some research.


Posted By: Poppycock (Guest)  on November 21, 2008 at 01:22 AM

 
 
another problem is corn ethanol and tarriffs we have from improts into this country, if we didn't have those tarriffs we could import cars from brazil who use sugar based ethanol

Posted By: coby preimesberger (Guest)  on November 21, 2008 at 02:01 AM

 
 
..if you let them fall...1.2 million jobs are lost...more unemployment...less dollars spent..even more drop in the market...i understand your frustration..but can NOT LET IT HAPPEN.

Posted By: mike (Guest)  on November 21, 2008 at 02:37 AM

 
 
And it looks like David wants unsustainable corporations to continue operating consequence-free, at our expense. So who's the real idiot?

Posted By: Archer (Guest) on November 20, 2008 at 09:09 AM

Ummm...a person that works in the tourism industry. :-) That is for damn sure.

In reality, an idiot, and a terrorist, is any person that says that a few hundred thousand United States Citizens people should lose their jobs. I guess you are not very American when you are telling people they should buy from Japan or Europe....right? At the very least, I bleed red, white, and blue. Enrique and Archer cannot say the same thing.

So, how much money did Osama Bin Laden pay you for this weeks article, Enrique?


Posted By: David (Guest)  on November 21, 2008 at 05:43 AM

 
 
Maybe if the people at the top (who are a LOT more greedy than the unions) would quit taking so much money that they don't need, we wouldn't be in this situation. Also Henry Ford payed his employees TWICE the national average, because he thought a healthy middle class was the key to a good economy. This goes for just about all big companies. The FACT is, when adjusting for inflation, about 40 percent of the workers in this country would be getting paid around twice as much as they do now. To me, this whole thing is like having to saw your leg off to get out of a trap. You don't want to, but if you don't, you will die.

Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest)  on November 21, 2008 at 07:09 AM

 
 
And this is why our political system is such shit...someone who backs conservative economics and liberal social stances has no party that offers what he wants. No party that has a chance of accomplishing anything at the moment, at least.

I agree generally with Enrique. This bailout should not happen. It sets an awful precedent, and rewards failing business models. At the same time, yes, it will hurt the economy in the short term. Jobs will be lost, and the impact will be felt throughout our economy. To say this isn't true is ignorant. Yet the repercussions of passing the bailout are worse. Do you know why all of these problems are popping up? Bad luck? More like a faulty economy that isn't able to adapt to an inevitable globalization. The American economy came to prominence in the wake of the rest of the world's developed nations blowing themselves up twice in a row ( A feat known as the World Wars ) and it allowed itself to become ineffecient. Now, the rest of the world is not only catching up to us, but it is surpassing us. We have inflated wages, and tacked on costs and restrictions on business...some of which I agree with, others which I do not. The problem is, in a global economy, it doesn't work. In an isolated economy, trading within the U.S. doesn't notice a difference because we have the same restrictions. Our economy functions near equilibrium...in relation to itself. Problem is, the price of production is so far above global equilibrium that we aren't able to reasonable compete against other countries who CAN afford to produce at much lower costs. We can bitch about how they shouldn't be allowed to do this all we want, but short of invading and commandeering their economy and factories, tough luck. Its what is happening. So we sit here with bloated costs for producers and expect them to compete. Until we re-think our economic approach as a whole in the wake of an inevitable globalization, our economy will continue to fail. No war against outsourcing, or increased subsidizing will fix this. Bailouts will delay the inevitable problem, but make it worse when it happens. We are going to be in worse economic shape as things balance out...the quicker we take the hit, the less damage it does. The longer we prolong it, the worse position we find outselves in. We need to think of the long term and not the short term. Yes, Unions are to blame. Yes, bad business plans are to blame. Yes, good intending corporate/factory restrictions are to blame, too. It isn't simple and it may not even be fair, but it is the truth. Things will get worse before they get better, and the longer we prolong the change, the worse they will be. These bailouts are just going to cripple us.


Posted By: RuinerEX (Guest)  on November 21, 2008 at 09:20 AM

 
 
there is a reason why a coworker of mines drives a 1988 honda civic (with routine oil changes as her only concern)and another drives a 2005 f-150 that gets 11 mpg and is in the shop every other month.

Posted By: rey (Guest)  on November 21, 2008 at 11:58 AM

 
 
yeah, unions are no longer needed. Theres plenty of lawyers to handle the things that made organized labor worth it.
A union will protect a drunk dude that makes 25$ an hour. and you got a LINE of guys that would do the same job for 18$ an hour. yet the $25 guy gets to stay.


David your a dumbass... Every comment, every time.. retarded.


Posted By: Pete (Guest)  on November 21, 2008 at 03:30 PM

 
 
Pete,

I hold your insults as being similar to something coming from George W. Bush. In other words, not worth my time. If you are anti-American, that is fine. You are the same people that enjoy seeing the US fail, but claim that you are PRO-US in the same breath. So, you really should keep your thoughts to yourself. Just saying you are an American does not give a person carte blanche for being an idiot.


Posted By: David (Guest)  on November 22, 2008 at 01:10 AM

 
 
another thing is we live in a captialistic syste, and if we would let companies fail, yes jobs would be lost, but if they restructured and had a more friendly operating model they could come out of bankruptcy, look how many airlines failed, but restructerd under chapter 11 and have prospered, would it be disattorus if these 3 companies failed yes, but it would be far better then giving them a handout for making inferior vehicles, and now we here madam speaker saying they may give them more money in april, we don't have the money, i mean when will these congressmen learn we don't trust them or these greedy sob ceo's

Posted By: coby preimesberger (Guest)  on November 22, 2008 at 01:20 AM

 
 
I'm pretty sure that by now everyone realizes that David is being paid to make those comments by a secret society including Kim Jong-il, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Osama Bin Laden, the ghost's of Saddam Heusein and Adolf Hitler, and headed by Jesus Christ himself.

Posted By: David Can Blow Me (Guest)  on November 22, 2008 at 02:05 AM

 
 
Sorry to break your heart "David Can Blow Me", but I am straight. Headed by Jesus Christ himself? Talk about promoting a paradox! Christ and Hitler are on the opposite sides of the spectrum (for beliefs)....but you knew that, didn't you? You were paid good money to sound like a moron.

Posted By: David (Guest)  on November 22, 2008 at 05:28 AM

 
 
In all fairness, it is pretty SAD when the hack Michael Moore has a more logical plan for the auto industry. You could learn some American values from a person like Micheal Moore. I almost choked on my own vomit trying to say that. But, honestly, you do NOT care for worker. You would rather see people suffer, you terrorist.

Michael Moore's idea, Obama takes an FDR route and forces these companies to work for the good of the US. They could be forced to make mass transit system, energy efficient cars, and keep all of those workers employed. If you study history (or dare I say it, open a ****ing book), you would KNOW that FDR forced the auto industry to make tanks, jeeps, ect for WW2. It could still work.

Unfortunately, you get to keep our citizenship because....God felt generous? Seriously, if any person should have their citinzenship revoked, the writer of this article is the TOP of the list.


Posted By: David (Guest)  on November 23, 2008 at 05:14 PM

 
 
I agree. The big 3 don't deserve a bailout and the UAW workers especially don't deserve a bailout. The UAW has ruined the Big 3. No wonder companies are outsourcing manufacturing jobs. No one in their right mind wants to deal with these outrageous union demands. These workers are unskilled. Besides from the extremely high hourly rates and gold plated retirement and health benefits, the greedy UAW has forced auto companies to keep workers that aren't needed. This is in addition to the outrageous job banks and lifetime health care. Enough is enough. The poor consumers in the past who purchased these cars had to overpay and settled for inferior cars because of UAW. Its time the UAW gets a reality check. These compensation packages should have been throw out decades ago. The 2007 contract gave a few concessions for new hires. The big 3 doesn't need to hire any new people. They need to get rid of excess baggage. Current workers gave up nothing. Obama promised the UAW federal bailout dollars and to pass new union laws so the UAW can destroy the transplant auto manufacturers and other industries. Tell Obama NO. The consumer and taxpayers ends up paying in the end. Unions killed the big 3 and we don't need them killing off other industries. No bailout for greedy UAW.

Posted By: Sue (Guest) (Guest)  on November 24, 2008 at 05:29 PM

 
 
Tell Obama NO. The consumer and taxpayers ends up paying in the end. Unions killed the big 3 and we don't need them killing off other industries. No bailout for greedy UAW.

Posted By: Sue (Guest) (Guest) on November 24, 2008 at 05:29 PM

I'm pretty sure The UAW is made up of taxpayers and any company that goes bankrupt is a bad thing. Loss of jobs are a bad thing. Unless you want to support all these future unemployed workers though Unemployment Benefits for extended periods of time. The bailout for Wall Street was a joke. A bailout that will actually benefit american workers isn't such a terrible idea.


Posted By: Guest#1696 (Guest)  on November 25, 2008 at 11:15 AM

 
 
i think the detroit three should tell washington to go to hell how dare they ask them why they're business are in trouble when a major part of the problem has been legislation coming out of washington yes the uaw contacts are bad for them but so is cafe and unfair trade policies with japan when washington stands up to the japanese government and demands that U.S automakers get equal access to they're market and stops the devalution of the yen to give them a favorable exchange rate that allows japanese auto makers to make a profit just by currency exchange alone then we can work on the poor magement and union problems in the us aoto industry

Posted By: robert (Guest)  on December 03, 2008 at 11:50 PM

 
 
These companies don't deserve a bailout, I agree. My job depends on a bailout. I've been laid off for the last month and I never want to see that place again. I had no choice but to join the UAW when I started in the small shop I worked. Every year our insurance has been downgraded so it covers less and less. Every month my dues came out of my check, and when it came time for us to get a copy of our contract, we had to wait a year because they told us they couldn't afford printing costs. There's no jobs bank for me. I get paid twelve bucks an hour to do the same job as the guy next to me who gets twenty. I think its high time that someone realizes that mismanagement shouldn't be rewarded. The UAW was good and effective in its infancy, when there were no government regulations regarding safety, fair treatment and the like. It did its job well. But now its obsolete. Most auto workers are not illiterate migrant farmhands who need someone to argue for them when the company leans on them a little too hard. They are unambitious (from what I've seen) and choose to be uneducated and if this bailout doesn't go through, then it means that "aww gee, I can't go UP North this weekend or drive my hot rod that'll never be finished down on Woodward. I have to put the beer down and look at some college catalogs. Life is hard." Most of these guys cry over lost overtime but have a boat, motorcycle and a place Up North. Sell all that stuff and start living within your means and you might not be as worried about this bailout. Besides, the companies are just going to do what they want anyway. Think a big chunk of money is going to save your job from the chopping block? Businesses don't say in business just so you can have a job. They have to make money, any way they can. Your job will probably end up in some Chinaman's hands anyway.

Posted By: Matt (Guest)  on December 14, 2008 at 09:53 PM

 
 
btw, i've seen a lot of cars but then i've never been impressed much with the exterior specifically with the westin bull bar. i'm expecting for more stylish exteriors.

Posted By: rytmitz (Guest)  on January 22, 2009 at 02:36 AM

 
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