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 411mania » Politics » Blog Entry
New Global Study Finds Diminishing Support for Fighting Climate Change
Posted by Enrique on 11.30.2008



On Monday, a major international conference will convene in Poland with the aim of developing a new treaty on climate change to replace the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in three years. With that in mind, the results of a new poll on public attitudes toward global warming were published earlier this week. The poll included over 12,000 respondents in 11 different countries, and indicated that more and more people just aren't taking climate change very seriously:

Less than half of those surveyed, or 47 per cent, said they were prepared to make personal lifestyle changes to reduce carbon emissions, down from 58 per cent last year.

Only 37 per cent said they were willing to spend "extra time" on the effort, an eight-point drop.

And only one in five respondents - or 20 per cent - said they'd spend extra money to reduce climate change. That's down from 28 per cent a year ago...

"There's consumer reluctance that's creeping in, and we've seen that some are being stunned into inaction by the enormity of the task," said Earthwatch executive vice-president Nigel Winser.
With all due respect to Mr. Winser, I'm not sure the enormity of the task is stunning anyone into inaction - rather, many people are skeptical that climate change is a critical issue worthy of personal sacrifice. Unless you're an ideological environmentalist, the benefits of the carbon reductions called for in Kyoto are difficult to intuit. For example, Poland is a major coal producer, so there would be serious economic consequences for them to drastically cut carbon emissions. For the average Polish citizen, it must not seem sensible to impair economic productivity in the name of reducing the global temperature by a few degrees many decades from now.

Even if you believe that global warming is man-made and that carbon emissions should be reduced, you don't necessarily have the luxury of accepting intrusive environmental regulations that will hamstring your economy. The carbon cuts envisioned by Kyoto are not conducive to economic prosperity. Last week, the United Nations reported that global carbon emissions were reduced by almost 900 million metric tons between 1990 and 2006. While that seems like positive news at first blush, these carbon cuts were primarily the result of the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and the ensuing economic stagnation in Eastern Europe. Now that Eastern European economies are recovering, carbon emissions are back on the rise, and countries like Poland want special exemptions from any climate change treaty.

That's the fundamental problem with the Kyoto framework - its cost far exceeds its perceived benefit. Rather than approaching climate change as an enormous task only achievable through drastic carbon cuts (and a heavy dose of fearmongering), it might be more sensible to set modest goals. That's the recommendation of Bjørn Lomborg in his latest book, Cool It: The Skeptical Environmentalist's Guide to Global Warming. Lomborg argues a carbon tax (or cap-and-trade scheme) costing no more than $2 per metric ton would help reduce emissions without imposing severe economic restrictions.

If the climate change movement wants to get public opinion back in their favor, they would be well-advised to reconsider their strategy of alarmism and unreasonable demands, and focus instead on setting attainable goals. In the case of global warming, less is more - ask for less, and you might be more likely to get it.


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To sum it up, people want to save the Polar Bears, but don't want to do it in a way that alters there basic way of life.

Posted By: Drew (Guest)  on November 30, 2008 at 01:09 AM

 
 
We are the only species that tries to cause our own extinction. Under the "less is more" philosphy, we will kill ourselves...

Posted By: David (Guest)  on November 30, 2008 at 02:46 AM

 
 
Yeah. I mean who cares if our children will be battling TIDAL WAVES, DROUGHT, FAMINE, TORNADOES and USA turns into a dessert/artic waste land

As long as we get that extra hour of playing Gears of war. Lets burndown all the forrest and oil fields while were at it


Posted By: Guest#0244 (Guest)  on November 30, 2008 at 05:40 AM

 
 
And it's hyperbole from folks like guest#0244 that make folks like me skeptical about the motives behind "OMG OMG THE PLANET IS DYING" movement.

Posted By: Eric (Guest)  on November 30, 2008 at 10:12 AM

 
 
Eric,

I understand your skepticism, but why would you think that it is people trying to take advantage of you? Think about it for a second, the moderate enviromentalist is trying to help you. If you buy a fuel efficient car, the air condition less, use more fans to circulate the air, etc, you are actually saving yourself some MONEY. When you are wasteful, you are hurting yourself and the planet.

Think about it, some of us aren't hurting you. We are tring to hep everyone. Now, there are people that take it to the extreme, but I am not one of them.

As Enrique's title states, "less is more." You should not listen to his idea of taking a less concerned view on our enviroment, the "less is more" philosphy means that you use LESS, but you save MORE money, and you give your children MORE of a fighting chance. You see, you are only helping yourself.


Posted By: David (Guest)  on November 30, 2008 at 12:25 PM

 
 
I don't buy it. One extra molecule for every 10,000 molecules of AIR, which is composed mostly of the greenhouse gas, water vapor. One extra ball in 10K that is causing it? I don't think so. There is Plenty here to support my view.

Posted By: Guest (Guest)  on November 30, 2008 at 12:51 PM

 
 
The TRUTH is, we are close to an ecological tipping point where we won't be able to stop or even slow a cascading eco-collapse, and plant, animal and insect species will begin to fall like dominos. People understand dominoes, right? Well, we're close to the end of the chain, only because we're MORE ADAPTABLE than EVERYTHING ELSE!

Tens of thousands of years of human evolution, scientific advancement and discovery, blessed to live on a jewel floating in the cosmos, and the world as we know it goes out in a scream of... apathy? Laziness?

Thanks, Throwaway culture!


Posted By: Guest#6043 (Guest)  on November 30, 2008 at 02:50 PM

 
 
I do not understand... how much money will we lose if the planet cannot support human life in 50 years? 20 years? 100 years? How long is enough, by your "reasoning", is the future?

Posted By: Guest#0510 (Guest)  on November 30, 2008 at 02:54 PM

 
 
As a species, we are being slowly killed by confusion and stupidity. How is sustainable growth possible on a finite planet?

Our options, regardless of what we now do, are rapidly dwindling to 2... Time Travel OR finding a way to get the hell off this planet.


Posted By: Guest#0080 (Guest)  on November 30, 2008 at 02:57 PM

 
 
"Ask for less"? Have you ever negotiated? In a negotiation, you ask for the pipe dream and compromise/settle on something more realistic. As for the economic consequences -- irreversible damage to local ecosystems do far more damage to long-term economic viability than curbing emissions to a healthier level.

Enrique and his Yes-men frequently talk about passing on an enormous debt to our children and grand-children. What about the irreparable damage we're doing to our ecosystem and, by extension, our/their future economy? That's a debt that can't EVER be paid off, and certainly one I don't want to pass on.


Posted By: UkraineNotWeak (Registered)  on November 30, 2008 at 04:42 PM

 
 
by the time 'climate change' even begins to take effect i'll already be dead or be pretty close to being dead so why should i give a shit, i have actual real problems going on right now to worry about.

Posted By: Nash (Guest)  on November 30, 2008 at 05:32 PM

 
 
Nash, be sure to sit your kids, nieces, and nephews down and tell them that so they know how much you "love" them.

Posted By: Guest#1699 (Guest)  on November 30, 2008 at 06:27 PM

 
 
Nobody wants to admit it, but it's what passes for our "culture" that has undone us. We are doomed by the way we live. At least, when the 12000 mile supply line crumbles, we'll be FORCED to recycle.

Posted By: Guest#0777 (Guest)  on November 30, 2008 at 06:39 PM

 
 
I find it interesting how we as humans fail to see past the nose on our faces.

The ROOT of the entire problem is not carbon emissions or reusable energy sources but OVERPOPULATION! Heaven forfend anyone even broaches the subject of the human right to indiscriminately reproduce, but STOP BREEDING! If everyone just does what they want in the age of entitlement, the result is another billion mouths to feed within 5 years, and another 3 years after that...
will all of them have the food THEY'RE entitled to? I think having kids in this day and age is THE most selfish thing a person can do... am I wrong?


Posted By: Guest#0980 (Guest)  on November 30, 2008 at 06:50 PM

 
 
To UkraineNotWeak

There have been as much studies refuting climate change as there are supporting it. Why worry about the climate? We have real pressing concerns right now regarding US GDP GROWTH.

Fuck the polar bears.
Drill baby drill!


Posted By: hhhh (Guest)  on November 30, 2008 at 11:56 PM

 
 
Good work, E. Glad to see you're still sucking Exxon's Carbon Monoxide pipe. Great to see you spouting crap like "any people are skeptical that climate change is a critical issue worthy of personal sacrifice" with absolutely no evidence that this is the actually the case. Citing the highly dubious work of Bjorn Lomborg is great and all, but you forget to mention that the "environmentalist" has a degree in political science, not hard science, and at most he's a statistician... His work, specifically the Skeptical Environmentalist that your quote, was designated by the Danish Committees and Scientific Research as "Objectively speaking, the publication of the work under consideration is deemed to fall within the concept of scientific dishonesty" and "clearly contrary to the standards of good scientific practice", citing that it fabricated data, used deliberately misleading statistical methods, plagiarised, selectively discarded results and misinterpreted others results.

Enjoy your Koolaid, Mr E.


Posted By: Ray Church (Guest)  on December 01, 2008 at 04:25 AM

 
 
Yes Guest#0980 , Lets just kill all the damn babies ala china.

Say YES to abortion


Posted By: Guest#2963 (Guest)  on December 01, 2008 at 04:35 AM

 
 
hhhh,

I had no idea you lived in the year 1970, my apologies. Or maybe you got your "scientific data" refuting global warming out of an Exxon pamphlet? There are no modern scientific studies that actually refute global warming as a result of CO2 and other greenhouse gases (well, except the ones funded by Big Oil fronts, but trusting them is like trusting Big Tobacco's "scientific" studies proving that smoking doesn't increase the risk to cancer).

Again, there are serious ECONOMIC consequences to global warming. As someone else pointed out, increased desertification of lands we currently use for farming (a pretty big economic blow to the states of the midwest and...y'know, people who eat food), increased acidity in the ocean (bye-bye seafood industry! bye-bye important food source!), increased flooding/increased drought, increases to health care costs, etc. I could go on, but I'm sure you're having some trouble reading this with your head shoved so far up your ass. Once again you have proven yourself to be ignorance personified.

Also: Drill, baby, drill? Congratulations, you have enough oil to fuel the American economy.....for six whole months! Then what?


Posted By: UkraineNotWeak (Registered)  on December 01, 2008 at 10:50 AM

 
 
Terribly sorry, but if the skeptics can't look out the window or watch the news and see that the planet is in dire straits, then YOU are responsible for the eventual extinction of mankind. I just hope we don't take EVERYTHING ELSE WITH US!

Posted By: Guest#7028 (Guest)  on December 01, 2008 at 04:25 PM

 
 
Could someone please generate a global EMP? That would clear things up nicely...

Posted By: Guest#7975 (Guest)  on December 01, 2008 at 04:26 PM

 
 
well i can understand that because global warming isnt man made. there is more support that it is nature than it is us. dont trust al gore a lot of his facts are not accurate

Posted By: RJ (Guest)  on December 01, 2008 at 07:05 PM

 
 
How about a science book? Can I trust a freaking science book? Moreso than a guy with crap grammar, that is?

Jeebus. Yeah, it's nature all right. More specifically, mankind DESTROYING nature.


Posted By: UKW (Guest)  on December 01, 2008 at 08:17 PM

 
 
I remember this debate from somewhere else before... lets see.... oh yeah... Captain Planet said all this crap circa 1992.

Mankind needs to get it through our thick skulls that we are a miniscule part of this planet. Can I say that we don't adversely affect the planet on a "skin deep" level? No... but if we even began to have the power to hurt the planet it would wipe us off the face of the Earth faster then the dinosaurs.

Over the past 100 years we have made huge leaps in both technology and conservation. If you want people to conserve resources... either price them out of them or make alternatives cheaper. But don't do it in the name of "the Environment".


Posted By: Obrie007 (Guest)  on December 01, 2008 at 09:14 PM

 
 
Yeah, humans are evil. Afterall, we created the Ice Agae that made dinosaurs extinct.

Global warming is another way humans in their arrogance make themselves believe they are the center of the universe.

'Mother' Nature has killed more species than we humans ever will in our wildest dreams.

Natural disasters have been occuring, well forever. We humans do not cause that. And, our actual effect on climate change is rather putrid.

Human arrogance. Actually thinking we can best nature.

The planet will die when nature determines it is its time.


Posted By: Volourn (Guest)  on December 02, 2008 at 06:07 AM

 
 
True...

But we will make it uninhabitable for current species, ourselves included, long before that will ever happen. As George Carlin said, "the planet is doing fine, the people are ****! Big difference."

Actually, the planet will not have a say on its length of existance. Sol will have the last word. Nothing like a red giant!


Posted By: David (Guest)  on December 02, 2008 at 09:21 AM

 
 
"Arrogance"? Indeed.

Was it arrogance that created massive holes in the ozone layer? Nope, that was human production of CFCs. We curbed our use of CFCs and, wouldn't ya know it, the ozone layer shows signs of improvement.

Was it arrogance that started an algae bloom "dead zone" in the Mississippi delta area? Nope. That came about as the result of industrial farms wasteful use of nitrogen-rich fertilizers which then leached into our groundwater and streams, eventually depositing at the mouth of the river down south.

Was it arrogance that created the Dust Bowl conditions in the midwest? Oceanic acidity? Soil erosion? Deforestation?

We're hardly the center of the universe, but we certainly have an effect on our environment and the life that it sustains. It would be far more arrogant to think otherwise.


Posted By: UkraineNotWeak (Registered)  on December 02, 2008 at 01:12 PM

 
 
WOW...VOLOURN... people like you deserve exactly what's coming... lemme guess... right wing christian ?

Enjoy your zombie apocalypse, some of us want to actually do something to save the world.... as you say, love it or LEAVE IT!


Posted By: Guest#5887 (Guest)  on December 02, 2008 at 05:33 PM

 
 
When we are all gone and stainless steel kitchen sinks are the only evidence we were ever here, will the doubters repent from their graves?

Fools.


Posted By: Guest#6505 (Guest)  on December 02, 2008 at 06:15 PM

 
 
"WOW...VOLOURN... people like you deserve exactly what's coming... lemme guess... right wing christian ? "

I haven't been to church since I was kid barring weddings. I also believe that 'God' is a mass murderer so no, I'm no Christian.

Yeah, i deserve waht's coming. I will die just like everybody else INCLUDING those who are crying doom over the environment.

The arrogance of humans to actually think they have actual real power over Mother Nature.

The are three kinds of environmentalists, and only one is cool.

1. Extremists - These are the punks who believe the planet, and animals is more important than us humans, and they would gladly sacrifice all humans to save one tree.

2. Selfish Humanists - the ones who, whether they admit it or not - only 'care' about the environment because they want to us. These ones may claim to cair about trees, aniamls, and the like; bu they really don't. These are the ones who make cries of 'what about the children'.

3. Legit Ones - These are the ones who are realistic on what we can, and can't do for the environment and the world and have reasonable expecatiions. they also don't exaggerate the problem in order to win nor do they use fear mongering crap like 'THE PLANET IS DOOMED!'. They're cool.


Posted By: Volourn (Guest)  on December 02, 2008 at 11:06 PM

 
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