All of This Has Happened Before...
Posted by Robert Zimmer on 01.12.2009
... and it will happen again, in the Middle East, if we do not do something to shock both Israel and Palestine -- like the United Nations taking over, by force.
Six years ago, fighting erupted between Israel and Palestinians, largely undoing the progress made during the 1990s between the age-old enemies. At that time, I wrote a column looking at the bigger picture. I re-read that column today, and was deeply saddened that I didn't even need to write a new analysis of the new violence, just change a few names and dates. The senseless suffering endures. Just as distressing, the big picture seems to be missing from so much analysis of the latest bloodbath between Israel and Palestine. That big picture is this: history simply keeps repeating itself with these two foes -- and if we keep trying the same approaches to solving the problem, that vile history will continue repeating itself indefinitely. It's time that the United Nations take over and suspend both Israeli and Palestinian sovereignty. My 2002 thoughts on the issue, sadly still appropriate, are below:
Any experienced parent knows that when children insist on being immature -- for example, refusing to share, playing dirty, hurting each other – they get punished. They get their privileges suspended, they have to be separated and go to their rooms for a while to cool off.
It's about that time for Israel and the Palestinians.
I don't mean to be flip about the grave and terrible situation in the Middle East, but the analogy is apropos. The world community has given the two parties innumerable opportunities to find a way to co-exist in peace (most recently, the Oslo accords of 1993 and 1995, and the Wye accord of 1998), yet the situation inevitably degenerates into a hideous playground brawl, each calling the other names, blaming the other for instigation and perpetration of violence, the body count spiraling out of control.
The other key player in the equation, the United States, has been AWOL. Bush has stood by and essentially fiddled while Jerusalem burned, virtually abdicating the position of responsibility the U.S. holds on this issue. (Furthermore, his nitwit press secretary, Ari Fleischer, actually had the audacity to accuse former President Clinton of contributing to the Mideast violence by trying too hard to help broker peace. This from a Jewish man, no less. He should have been fired on the spot.)
Enough is enough.
It's time the United States stop coddling Israel, and it's time the Arab community stop coddling Arafat. Ariel Sharon is a notorious warmonger whose personal and professional history is replete with frightening disregard for the value of Palestinian and Arab lives.* It goes without saying that Yasser Arafat is no saint either; furthermore, one must question whether he even retains authority to reign in the extremist factions within his own population.
These two men are dinosaurs who represent an old way of thinking: that Arabs and Jews are practically born and bred to distrust, hate, and think of one-another as sub-human. There is no room for this behavior in a civilized world. It's time for new leadership on both sides. These men have failed their people; the U.S. has failed everyone. (And let me take a pre-emptive strike against you hysterical people who will label me anti-Semitic for daring to criticize Israel, or part of some vast Jewish conspiracy for daring to criticize Palestinians. Quit using this herring and face reality.) It's time we look to the world community to intervene behalf of its citizens.
We must force Israel and the Palestinians to understand this fundamental truth: national sovereignty is a privilege that you only get to keep if you abide by a basic set of human rights. But both have repeatedly failed to do so, and their ordinary citizens -- innocent men, women and children – are paying the price with their lives. So when a government fails to respect the rights of its people and its neighbors, then they must be deprived of their sovereignty by a higher, more impartial authority, until such time as peace and dignity can be restored. This is why the Taliban got kicked out of Afghanistan by the U.S., and why U.N. forces patrol Kabul. The Taliban couldn't play nice; in fact, they took pleasure in doing the opposite. It was intolerable, and they have been removed.
Therefore, it is time for drastic steps:
The United Nations must step in and occupy Jerusalem, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and any and all other disputed territories in which violence has become the norm. U.N. peacekeeping troops should be authorized to disarm anyone and shoot to kill if necessary to show they're not kidding around. The U.N. force should be fairly and proportionately composed of troops from a variety of representative religious and cultural backgrounds. Then, as things stabilize, Sharon and his cabinet get locked in a room with Arafat and his cabinet. If they refuse, then they forfeit their right to govern their peoples. Whoever is in charge must be told the following – no discussion, no negotiations, no whining:
Israel has a right to exist as a separate, sovereign state, recognized and respected by its neighbors.
Palestine has a right to exist as a separate, sovereign state, also recognized and respected by its neighbors.
The borders of the Palestinian state and Israel shall conform to match the guidelines established in the Oslo and Wye accords. Israeli troops will leave the West Bank and Gaza Strip, to be replaced by U.N. peacekeepers. You already agreed on this stuff, guys. Now it's time to live up to your promises for once.
Additionally, Jerusalem will be established as the joint capital of Israel and Palestine, and furthermore will be a no-weapons, demilitarized Holy City, a la Vatican. Initially, this will be enforced and policed by the United Nations; at such time as the two parties have shown they are mature enough to cease the desecration of land that is sacred to three major world religions, they will be allowed to administer the Holy City themselves. It will continue forever as a demilitarized city. It's time that both Jews and Muslims alike grow up and stop acting as if they have exclusive claim to this land. The spiritual dignity and principles of peace shared by Islam, Judaism, and Christianity demand an end to violence as an acceptable norm in Jerusalem. The world community and the Catholic Church would never tolerate suicide bombs and other killings in Vatican City.
Also, Jewish settlers within areas that fall within the auspices of the new Palestinian state will be given the option of staying or going, with relocation costs to be shared by the United Nations with the two nations. Any Jewish settlers who elect to remain must, by law under Palestinian rule, be afforded the same rights and protection as any Palestinian citizen. The same applies to Palestinians who fall under Israel's governance; they will be afforded a chance to stay or relocate, and those that stay must be treated with dignity and respect of any Jewish citizen.
Then we send the boys back to their respective homes with a warning: play nice, or you lose your jobs. These provisions must be implemented immediately. The time has come and gone for waiting periods, cooling down periods, incremental steps, and half-baked nonsense of any sort. A 12-month time limit must be set for completion of the above steps in their entirety. As in Bosnia and other areas of the former Yugoslavia, the U.N. peacekeeping force will remain as long as is necessary to ensure peaceful implementation and cohabitation between Israel and Palestine.
What's truly disgusting and lamentable is that in an ideal world, these drastic measures would be unnecessary. We wouldn't need separate Jewish and Palestinian states. In an ideal world, these two peoples could try to set aside their centuries-old hatred and learn that their cultures and religions have many more commonalities than differences. In an ideal world, Jew and Arab could live together in the same space, in brotherly love. Is it too naïve to continue hoping for this?
For now, we will have to settle for neighbors who tolerate each other. It's time for the peace-loving people of the world to insist on an end to the killing, to the disrespect. It's time we demand peace in the Middle East. And if the so-called leaders in the region can't step back from their hatred long enough to do it, then it's time they be removed and replaced by people who can.
The loved ones of the dead people – in Jerusalem, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, Tel Aviv, the Golan Heights – they deserve a better future. The souls of the dead cry out for peace. No more meaningless words, only meaningful actions. Let us give it to them – let us give them a peace that lasts forever.
* Arafat has been connected with the 1972 killings of Israeli Olympic athletes; Sharon commanded Israeli forces who massacred Egyptian prisoners in 1956, 1967, and 900 refugees in Lebanon in 1982. His response when confronted on the topic of Israeli war crimes in 1995: "No one can preach to us about it. No one."
Recently declassified U.S. Government documents reveal the following: Evidence of this 1967 massacre was picked up on radio by an unlucky United States ship, the U.S.S. Liberty, patrolling off the Israeli coast at the time of the slaughter. The Israeli military promptly attacked its own ally's vessel, by air and sea, nearly sinking it, and killing and wounding dozens of American personnel. Lyndon Johnson ordered the incident swept under the rug, not wanting to "embarrass an ally." (pp. 197-226; Body of Secrets: Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National Security Agency, by James Bamford)
"Israel has a right to exist as a separate, sovereign state, recognized and respected by its neighbors.
Palestine has a right to exist as a separate, sovereign state, also recognized and respected by its neighbors."
Guess what, back in 1947 when Britain left the region, they partitioned the land for 2 states. The "Palestinians" wanted all or nothing. I guess they got nothing.
Posted By: Elliot (Guest) on January 12, 2009 at 01:15 PM
"It goes without saying that Yasser Arafat is no saint either; furthermore, one must question whether he even retains authority to reign in the extremist factions within his own population."
Since Arafat died like four years ago I don't think he's in control of anything.
Coddling to Israel? Have you ever done a country study on Israel? When was the last time we gave permission to Israel to do anything? Do you know that the US has not backed Israel in any major strike against any terrorist organization, ever. We begged them not to attack Iraq when SCUDs where being shot into the country in the 1990’s. We sell weapons to them, and we share intelligence if it suits us.
If you don’t believe me check it out: http://www.policyalmanac.org/world/archive/crs_israeli-us_relations.sh tml
Armature-ish. (wink)
This whole article was written to piss off people- it's not even researched...
How could you not know that Arafat is dead before you wrote this? Do you even know who is in charge of the PLO? Probably not. It’s Mahmoud Abbas
The UN has no power unless countries within do something- namely the United States, Russia, the EU. So how does the UN get involved? They are just a collection of countries banded under treaties.
The single greatest source of UN peace keepers are loaned military forces of countries like Pakistan. So how does putting Pakistani troops in Israel help? Or any other “peace keeping” force.
Countries like Pakistan get paid to have troops available to do these things. Not US, not China, not Russia- so who does the UN use? A Muslim country to secure Israel? Wow- great logic.
I'll answer it that- it doesn’t
You think your opinions are answers, but you don't understand the operational realism of anything in the middle-east. You think in abstract, and you’re afraid to acknowledge common sense.
So bring on the hate.
FACTS:
Arafat is fucking dead.
Israel is a sovereign country, not a state controlled by the US.
Israel is a political ally of the US, why do we separate that to make peace with our enemies?
Hamas has called for the downfall of the west for decades. Why do we need peace from them?
The UN is not a country. It only has the power to broker peace if countries involved use it. It did not work in Georgia, Israel, Somalia, Tibet, or anywhere else...Hell, one big reason we are in Iraq is because the Saddam defied the UN treaties brokered after the Gulf War. Who was containing him? The US! Not the UN, because they don’t have any soldiers.
My opinion: Sometimes you have to quit being a pussy and fight. This whole concept of ignoring people who want to kill you is absurd.
Now bring on the flamers.
Posted By: The Spook (Guest) on January 12, 2009 at 01:17 PM
Well if your argument is to take autonomy away, then you have to do that to half the nations of Asia and Africa.
Posted By: Elliot (Guest) on January 12, 2009 at 01:18 PM
I'm totally with The Spook on this one!
Posted By: Spyke (Guest) on January 12, 2009 at 01:26 PM
Spook,
I know I've disagreed with you in the past on political issues, but with this one, I'm in total agreement. You put it quite succinctly. Good job.
Posted By: Elliot (Guest) on January 12, 2009 at 01:33 PM
I just realized you also had Ariel Sharon in your master plan. You know he's a been in a coma for two years.
So we need to prop up Sharon, stroke-ridden and in a coma, to talk to the already dead Arafat.
Maybe we can use psychics or something?
I mean Holy Shit, how does this work? Hook connectors to Sharon's head and attach them to a weegie board...Maybe make contact with Arafat and discuss this current crisis…
They are the two "biggest problems" we have to deal with.
How about we identify the problem before we blame people? Especially people who are dead or in comas.
The problem is that Israel has been attacked, again, and they want to defend themselves.
The problem is that Muslims hate the idea of “their” land being held by Jews.
The problem began when our grandfathers stood up Israel.
The problem is our responsibility because we did it- we helped create Israel.
The problem is that too much time has passed and too much blood spilled.
The solution, in the very basic sense is that we need to pick a side in this conflict and see it through to the bloody end, and then we will be done with it…
My vote is for Israel.
Posted By: The Spook (Guest) on January 12, 2009 at 02:20 PM
Hey Spook, did you bother to read the last line, first paragraph:
"My 2002 thoughts on the issue, sadly still appropriate, are below:"
Posted By: Gerald (Guest) on January 12, 2009 at 02:56 PM
For those of you citing the Sharon/Arafat references, Zimmer said in the first paragraph.
"At that time, I wrote a column looking at the bigger picture. I re-read that column today, and was deeply saddened that I didn't even need to write a new analysis of the new violence, just change a few names and dates. My 2002 thoughts on the issue, sadly still appropriate, are below:"
He missed a couple I guess.
Posted By: Dan (Guest) on January 12, 2009 at 03:00 PM
Folks, if you'll read the first paragraph closely, you'll see how I explained that my 2009 column consists of a column I wrote in 2002 about the conflict, in order to show how little has changed between Israel and Palestine in the last six years. Obviously, Arafat and Sharon are dead now.
Posted By: Robert Zimmer (Registered) on January 12, 2009 at 03:04 PM
You guys don't read very well...He said he's re-posting an article FROM 2002 to show that what he wrote still applies!
*rollseyes*
Posted By: guym (Guest) on January 12, 2009 at 03:16 PM
Well written, Spook!
Since it was declared a sovereign state back in 1947, Israel has been looked at like a fresh piece of roadkill to Palestinian vultures to be picked over as they please.
Time and time again, the Arab nations have attacked Israel, and now that finally Israel has decided to bust out the whoopin' stick, everyone wants to wring their hands and decry violence?
BS.
By voting Hamas into power, the people did this to themselves, and I will continue to support the Israeli nation until the rest of the world realized that maybe the sleeping giant is better left unwoken
Posted By: akakhawk (Guest) on January 12, 2009 at 03:19 PM
In addition to the numerous factual errors already pointed out, one can add this gem at the end:
"Recently declassified U.S. Government documents reveal the following: Evidence of this 1967 massacre was picked up on radio by an unlucky United States ship, the U.S.S. Liberty, patrolling off the Israeli coast at the time of the slaughter."
Completely false. There are no documents whatsoever which support this latest, false claim. Had there been then it would be possible to in fact read them and they would be posted all over the various we-hate-Israel groups websites. Since they do not exist, all one gets are the false claims as posted by this Mr. Zimmer.
Lastly, the ship wasn't even off the Israeli coast, but had just arrived off the Sinai on the fourth day of the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.
This whole piece by Mr. Zimmer makes a mockery of the term "411".
Posted By: Robert (Guest) on January 12, 2009 at 03:25 PM
I'll apologize for the dead Arafat shit, and the Sharon stroke/pshyic stuff.
I knew this was too much of a softball.
But my UN points are valid, and the US/Israel alliance is too.
So go easy folks.
Posted By: The Spook (Guest) on January 12, 2009 at 03:31 PM
The Spook wrote something I completely agree with, what is the world coming to?
Posted By: Shockmaster (Guest) on January 12, 2009 at 05:16 PM
I can honestly see where both Robert and Spook are coming from – Both sides of the same coin, I suppose.
Even though my resolution is pretty extreme. Nuke both sides. If after hundreds of years, they STILL can’t act civilized like 90% of the world, fuck em. Kill ‘em all. Let “God” sort them out – that’s the saying, right? I actually think it is time that we – as the majority of law-abiding citizens, act on the notion that we’ve been able to get along pretty well despite our differences.
If Hamas, Palestine and Isreal continue to see each other as “sub-human”, if the Muslims there don’t want to live with Jews and kill them all, if Israel doesn’t have the *balls* just to off the whole lot of them instead of leaving widows and orphans that will grow up to hate them and suicide the bloody hell of more innocents in future decades, if no one wants to budge on land (and I’m sorry, I don’t give a flying fuck WHOSE land it is/was/supposed to be, it’s been OVER 50 YEARS since laws were in place), just napalm the whole sorry fucking lot of them.
If the situation was the same here, if Canada or Mexico got into this shit with us, they would be a crater. Women, children – they would have been decimated and we would have no fucking problems with it. Sorry, I DON’T CARE for anyone’s argument of, “oh, how would you feel if someone did this to you?” First off, I would PREVENT IT by blasting their face off with a .44; secondly, at this stage of the game, death definitely seems like the better option. That way, I wouldn’t have to wonder about any future kids having to expose themselves to the same fucking cycle of violence that has been going on for thousands of years and I could be at peace.
Some want to say that having a peaceful society is utopian or a “dream”, so we *must* fight to hold onto the “privialleges”, “rights”, “traditions” and “values” we hold dear – My one question to that mindset is: What do you expect when you give your final breath and exit this life? If you believe in Heaven, do you think there will still be wars based on nonsensical ideology there? If you believe in the big void of nothingness when you die, how can violence exist in that void?
Human beings are disgusting, filthy fucking fags of creatures. We can’t comprehend bliss and happiness and contentment, so we mask our vile for others “different” from us or our own sense of selfishness under ideology, myth and doctrine. You’re evil. You condone murder, you’re evil. You hate for no reason but to hate, you’re evil. You sleep well when CHILDREN WHO HAVE NO CHOICE OR COMPREHENSION of the situation get slaughtered (no matter what part of the world they are from), you’re a fucking evil piece of slime.
Posted By: Anarchist (Guest) on January 13, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Con't...
I am aware that my resolution was to carpet bomb the middle east, so I am not standing on a soapbox and declaring that I am some force of morality. I am just as vile and evil as the rest of you, but I will not lie about it. I won’t justify my rational under some guise of “I must defend *my god*” or “I must defend *my people*” because the fact of the matter is THERE IS NO “PEOPLE”. There never has been. There is me and you, and him and her and us and them. There are no Jews, no Muslims, no Christians, no Hindus, no Sikhs, no Canadians, no Americans, no Brits, no Indians, no Blacks, no Whites, no Asians. WE NAMED THESE. WE GAVE OURSELVES THESE LABELS. We decided ever since we could understand primitive thought to seperate ourselves from each other. And for what?
Land? That was already here before us and unless we nuke it, will be here millions of years after we die. America could be India, China could be Ireland, Bolivia could be Denmark, if someone else just happened to name those places differently.
Power or influence? No matter what you may believe, you *will* die someday. Everything is fleeting. Everything evolves and changes. Old ideas pass away once a new idea is formed. Once those old ideas die, the legacy of those who invented those old ideas die as well. And that is how it should be.
No matter what, all wars since we figured how to use a rock or a bone to hunt and kill have been based on one of the above. Israel and Palestine wants this. All they are doing is trying to hide behind Jehovah or Allah to mask the fact that this is all the powers-that-be want. Just as we here in the U.S. have tried to hide behind Jesus to rationalize slavery, misogony and homophobia. Because we must not only gain land, power and influence, but we must *keep* it.
I guess you can keep your feeble attempts to hold onto something that isn’t ours in the first place. I hope when we’re all approaching our final breath that we exert the same amount of unnecessary energy to enter death as we have to “stay alive”.
Posted By: Anarchist (Guest) on January 13, 2009 at 12:07 PM
So Mr. Anarchist, you believe that since humans are greedy selfish pond-scum, the honorable thing to do is to kill ourselves off either in a big nuclear holocast or pollute our planet so that we can all end our miserable existence? I cannot blame God for creating us this way because, well, I am an atheist. But, despite our natural evil ways, shouldn't we try to rise above it all and make it a better world? It may ultimately be hopeless, but hey, life is journey, not a destination (death). Give it a try, it may even be fun. May be then we can find "peace", in the world and within ourselves, if only temporarily (based on life expectancy).
Posted By: Atheist (Guest) (Guest) on January 13, 2009 at 12:59 PM
"Peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us."
- Golda Meir
Posted By: Elliot (Guest) on January 13, 2009 at 01:30 PM
"The UN should step in and dissolve Israeli and Palestinian sovereignty..."
Have you lost your mind? When has the UN been able to decide sovereignty? Did I miss the memo?
Posted By: demOcratic (Guest) on January 13, 2009 at 02:41 PM
Athiest: What is my name? Therefore, why would you ask such a dumbass question when you know the answer.
Erradication. Have another race of beings do this. We've failed. Miserably.
Posted By: Anarchist (Guest) on January 13, 2009 at 04:29 PM