Save The Trees From Dying; Cut More Down
Posted by Mark Radulich on 01.27.2009
I'm not impressed when a scientist concludes that the problem is "probably" climate change. Maybe there's a better answer.
The global coolingglobal warming climate change debate in this country has become so hysterical and full of "sky-is-falling" proclamations that it's starting to sound like an argument over whether or not there is a god. I'm waiting for the day when Holy Crusaders of the Tree Huggers Brigade begin an inquisition of people who tend not to recycle. If you walk into any book store you will see for the most part that for every book claiming "climate change" is destroying the planet you will equal or more saying there's not enough evidence to support it. Pagan saint Al Gore's movie about the global warming and wrath it will bring us had so many inaccuracies in it that the whole movement had to change it's name again from global warming to climate change just somebody with half a brain might still take them seriously.
I think most intelligent people will agree that yes, climate does change over long periods of time. I think most people will agree that man's footprint on the planet can be a part of the vast differences in climate throughout the world. What I'm saying is that we still don't have all the facts but some, for political reasons, are always so quick to blame man for the nearest climate crisis and demand we go back to Stone Age.
The latest example is a study stating that Western forests dying at an increasing rate.
Trees in old growth forests across the West are dying at a small, but increasing rate that scientists conclude is probably caused by longer and hotter summers from a changing climate.
While not noticeable to someone walking through the forests, the death rate is doubling every 17 to 29 years, according to a 52-year study published in the Friday edition of the journal Science. The trend was apparent in trees of all ages, species, and locations.
So here's a problem that should unify us. The trees are dying. Despite 52 years of data the author says it's probably climate change. Let me ask you a question; if you, God forbid, ever contracted a serious ailment and had to stay in a hospital while they ran tests for say, a month, and at the end of that month the doctor said to you, "It's probably a brain tumor, we don't know despite all of our tests but lets just cut open your noodle just in case," would you be satisfied with that conclusion. I'm guessing you wouldn't so I don't know why folks would be satisfied with, "it's probably climate change." I wouldn't be jumping up and down about this except that this is the sort of thing that lobbying groups use to pressure congress into making laws that are inevitably bad for us all.
And just so we're clear, buried at the bottom of the article is this little gem, "Barbara Bond, a professor of forest physiology at Oregon State who was not involved in the study, said it would be wrong to definitively conclude that the rising tree mortality was caused by warmer temperatures."
Here's a rational proposal to save the trees without demanding that I live with bears in a cave. Instead of having national forests which are not cared for by our government due to underfunding and therefore tend to have all sorts of problems (wildfires, overgrowth, widespread death, etc) why not sell them back to various logging groups? History shows us that when logging groups controlled the forests they acting as good sheppards clearing away the small trees that act as fuel for wild fires as well as clearing away dead trees while planting new ones at exponential rates. Economics shows us that when one has a stake in a piece of land, that landowner will care for said piece of land and make it prosperous. Now if you think that's a bunch of malarkey, check out this piece regarding the death of trees due to beetles.
The pine beetle epidemic chewing through forests in Wyoming and Colorado could endanger roads, power lines and other infrastructure as millions of acres of trees fall to the ground, a top U.S. Forest Service official said.
Rocky Mountain Regional Forester Rick Cables told Wyoming lawmakers Thursday that the threat of falling trees demands that forest managers work to clear trees away from key pieces of infrastructure before it's too late. The fallen trees also provide fuel for forest fires and complicate access for firefighting, he said.
Now here was their proposal to deal with the problem:
Forest managers said Thursday that they see logging and forest fires as key tools for managing Wyoming's existing forests and helping grow healthier forests when new trees sprout in areas devastated by beetles.
Crapser said a viable sawmill industry is critical because the mills create a market for the trees removed from forests, including those killed by beetles. The Wyoming sawmill industry has been struggling in recent years. Mills have closed in Cody and Sheridan, although Intermountain Resources plans to reopen a mill in Saratoga this year.
Nancy Fishering, of Intermountain Resources, said beetle-killed lodgepole pines are most valuable for wood products if they're harvested from three to five years after the tree dies, but can remain useful for up to 10 years.
Sound familiar?
Whatever the reasons are for wide swaths of dying trees throughout the west, it could "probably" be fixed if we gave stakeholders, such as the logging industry, and opportunity to fix it rather than running willy nilly to congress for more government intervention.
Global warming is a hoax perpetrated on the world by greedy politicians, abetted by scientist who wanted to keep or increase their funding, and allowed by people to stupid to think critically. There is historical precedence, though. Once upon a time, eugenics was the cutting edge of science.
Posted By: Randian Objectivist (Guest) on January 27, 2009 at 12:16 AM
yeah, lets burn down all the scientists too! Those scientists are so greedy, they just want attention!
idiots
Posted By: mike (Guest) on January 27, 2009 at 12:43 AM
yeah, lets burn down all the scientists too! Those scientists are so greedy, they just want attention!
idiots
Posted By: mike (Guest) on January 27, 2009 at 12:43 AM
See, global warming's a religion with some people, and this is how they react when you question their faith. Global warming adherents are awfully similar to Christian fundamentalists, Muslim extremists, Nader voters, or PETA members. No rational thought or debate whatsoever. I fully expect a 'greenie' to detonate a chlorofluorocarbon bomb in the future to protest greenhouse gases (which they emit every time they fart...I mean, speak).
Posted By: Randian Objectivist (Guest) on January 27, 2009 at 01:06 AM
I agree that maybe loggers would help.
But SOME sort of over-sight would be needed as they just might cut everything down. (busnisses have a tendency to be short sighted sometimes)
Denying altogether that climate change does not exist just because there are a few radicals out there is silly. Thats like saying christianity is useless just because of a few batshit crazy pastors.
I dont advocate living with bears for a change. What I do advocate is reduction of carbon emissions via light weight vehicles. Research in alternative energy and GASP* recycling (whenever efficient).
A little responsibility never hurt anyone.
Posted By: Mr E (Guest) on January 27, 2009 at 01:59 AM
Watch me as I make highly controversial statements telling everyone that global warming *shock* is a hoax! Global warming advocates are morons! I have no real basis for what I'm saying other than bogus studies funded by oil companies! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
Posted By: thinkyou'reoriginal (Guest) on January 27, 2009 at 05:55 AM
hey randian objectivist
You failed to understand my side of the debate. Let me put it in less sarcastic terms. Your "rational thinking" is completely stupid and backed up by no facts whatsoever. Find me some scientific studies done within the past 5 or even 10 years that say global warming is a hoax. Then you can change my mind. Otherwise you just sound like an evolution denier and cry when people attack you for being a moron. "i can have a point of view too!" Just shut up.
And your argument that eugenics was the cutting edge of science at one point proves nothing. Penicillin, the polio vaccine, and other medications were also the cutting edge of science at one point, but because eugenics was popular like a hundred years ago, that means all science that is cutting edge is just some kind of hoax for these scientists to make money? Go to Texas and fight your war on science with george bush. Idiot.
Posted By: mike (Guest) on January 27, 2009 at 09:13 AM
Watch me as I make highly controversial statements telling everyone that global warming *shock* is a hoax! Global warming advocates are morons! I have no real basis for what I'm saying other than bogus studies funded by oil companies! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
Posted By: thinkyou'reoriginal (Guest) on January 27, 2009 at 05:55 AM
There's nothing "controversial" about saying global warming is a hoax. Fact is, there's REAL science pouring in every day contradicting the THEORY of global warming, such as the incontrovertible REAL science that, outside a few heat islands (cities of glass and concrete which focus and hold heat) the measurable temperature around the earth is, on average, getting COLDER. Now, obnoxious twit, go do some research on your own, and stop believing what Katie Couric tells you.
Posted By: Randian Objectivist (Guest) on January 27, 2009 at 09:54 AM
Of course Global Warming is a hoax.
I don't believe in greenhouse gasses because I can't see them.
Posted By: Eyes wide open. (Guest) on January 27, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Randian, is the Global Warming Hoax being perpetrated by the Bilderberg Group??
Posted By: Jamal (Guest) on January 27, 2009 at 01:20 PM
Mike, you're regurgitating the pablum being fed to you. I realize you're retarded, but if you're going to post, please be informed. All you need to do is go the U.S. Atmospheric Sciences Center site, and it'll prove what I said. Additionally, it was about a year ago that 650 of the world's top scientist agreed that man-made global warming cannot be proven. Now, STUPID, please go back and kneel at the altar in your Church of Faith Based Dumfux and put Manbearpig's penis back in your mouth, from which you apparently suck the breath of life. Now, you're obviously too stupid to debate with, so I'll leave it at this.
Posted By: Randian Objectivist (Guest) on January 28, 2009 at 01:19 AM
Randian speaks the truth. His statements are absolutely backed up by facts, you just might have to spend some time looking for them outside of the mainstream media. This kind of fear mongering bullshit has been going on for decades...It wont be long before they'll blame the earth getting colder on humans too. Science is not a democracy. Just because a majority(?) of scientist's say something does not make it a fact...
Posted By: Bake (Guest) on January 28, 2009 at 05:38 AM
In the 70's 'Global Warming' was 'Overpopulation'. We're supposed to all be dead from pollutants right now, by the way...
And as far as the national forests go. This is my one complaint with the article. Nope. Just leave them alone. Forest fires are an inconvenience to men, not the actual forests. Forests that do not burn become weak, and these trees that are dying will fuel the fires that will torch the ground and restore essential nutrients. Plants are like a phoenix, they grew stronger after they burn.
And I live in a heavilly logged area. There is no control, no oversight, and no respect. They clear cut the forest down to the ground, to where nothing but clay is left. And I'm by no means a tree-hugger, but vast open areas of barren clay would make states like Whyoming and Idaho even more boring to drive through...Let 'em burn. They'll be back for our kids
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on January 31, 2009 at 02:37 PM