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 411mania » Politics » Blog Entry
Yearly Mexican Remittances Drop for the 1st Time…Aw Poor Babies
Posted by Mark Radulich on 01.28.2009




Remittances, Mexico's second-largest source of foreign income after oil, plunged 3.6 percent to $25 billion in 2008 compared to $26 billion for the previous year, the central bank said.

The percentage drop is nearly twice what the government had expected for the year, and central bank official Jesus Cervantes said the decline will likely continue this year.

Experts blame a crackdown on illegal immigration that has stemmed the flow of those heading north to seek work as well as the U.S. recession, in which many Mexicans, especially construction workers, have been laid off.

It was the first time remittances have fallen year-to-year since the bank starting tracking the money 13 years ago.

I've been saying for years that the Mexican government needs to find another source of income besides remittances. First of all, while I somewhat sympathize with individuals sending money back for their families, I believe that as an overall source of income for the whole country, remittances are illegitimate. That's like counting on drug dealers to fill your coffers with money spent on rims and gold teeth.

Let's look at the math here. Peppy the Hard Working Mexican breaks US immigration law by illegally crossing the border into the United States. Peppy then goes to work as a construction worker or works as an unskilled laborer at a reduced cost for the employer (thus undercutting the American citizen who could have had that job but would have been paid more). Peppy then takes the majority of his illegally earned wages and rather than using it to pay American taxes (aside from the occasional sales tax, if that) he sends it to his needy family back across the border in Mexico. Now am I supposed to feel bad that outright theft of American jobs and tax dollars is going down due to strains on the economy? Frankly, if a sour economy forces more of the ILLEGAL aliens to back to their country of origin then I'll happily continue to live in a recession for at least the next few years. As a matter of fact, this recession may be the best anti-illegal immigration policy we've had to date.
"Remittances are the single strongest poverty-reduction tool that many countries have," said Robert Meins of the Inter-American Development Bank. "This could translate into a great deal of hardship for a lot of people, which I think is underappreciated."

So what Mr. Meins is essentially saying is that instead of building an economy that rests upon proven industries such as manufacturing, heavy machinery, tourism and exploitation of natural resources to grow their economy and thus reduce poverty, Mexico would rather continue to count a fine combination of quasi-slave labor and welfare from the US government. Not being able to count on welfare is apparently a hardship in Mexico and other Third World countries.

This is the reason why we conservatives fight against illegal immigration. Aside from the fact that it is generally a bad idea for mass amounts of people to flout the law as if it wasn't there at all, it also encourages dependence rather than innovation, the true instrument of growth and wealth. If we had actually been guarding our borders instead of winking at the millions of illegals here to overtax our hospitals and schools while simultaneously screwing the American or legal alien worker we wouldn't have a situation where Mexico was basically a dysfunctional welfare state entirely dependent on the United States.

If we were just talking about legal Mexican workers not being able to send remittances then I wouldn't bother to comment on this bit of news. However, the underlying message of this article is that we should somehow sympathize with millions of lawbreakers who have suddenly fallen on hard times and can't quite screw this country the way they used to. That's ridiculous and I for one won't be manipulated into feeling bad for people who broke the by not coming here in the right way. This is what liberals do. They justify breaking the law or being immoral by showing you pictures of starving children or some such thing that is supposed to tug on your heartstrings. If the Mexicans that risked life and limb to come here illegally put half as much energy in to improving their own damn country instead of stealing from ours, then maybe something besides stolen American dollars, jobs and services would be their second highest foreign income.

Let this be a lesson to the Mexican government; develop your own industries and stop depending on the US to give you welfare via illegal immigration...or just apply for an Obama-Bailout like everyone else.


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This is like reading a economics paper from DeVry or something.

Posted By: Guest#2381 (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 12:41 AM

 
 
The primary problem is companies willing to hire illegal immigrants. If they stopped (say govt crackdown on their businesses themselves if they do hire illegals) then the problem goes away. I sympathize with the immigrants just because they are manipulating a broken system. Can't really blame them for playing the game to their advantage.

Posted By: Dan (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 01:28 AM

 
 
peppy? politics is about civil discussion, not accusatory rants pointing the finger at everyone but your own party. point is, there's no simple solution. i agree that in theory illegal immigration is detrimental, but then again i wasn't born in mexico. i was fortunate enough to be born here. unless we all try and find some kind of common ground or empathy, nothing will get solved. instead, people right angry diatribes about how "peppy" is ruining there lives. you need a new approach, we all do.

Posted By: guest (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 01:30 AM

 
 
Man, I love your articles. They make some sort of sense. And they're CONSERVATIVE...on 411Mania! I guess since Obama won the election, Ashish lightened up and decided to let intelligent people write articles again.

Posted By: Barackalypse (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 01:35 AM

 
 
By the way. "Peppy" (is that an Italian name or something? Because i know it is not a Mexican name)trades not paying taxes for working 12 hour days in the sun and given 2 breaks and a bottle of water. How was your hour lunch break at Starbucks today? Adding a funny thing about bailouts does not mean you know anything about politics.

Posted By: BobbyZ (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 02:36 AM

 
 
Quick question: Why is the U.S. the only country in the world that seems to be required to give a rat's ass about every other country, even the ones that profess to hate us?

Posted By: Jim C (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 03:16 AM

 
 
The problem is not illegal immigrants. Its the companies that are willing to hire them.

Our company just acquired another, and come to find out, roughly 1/3 of their workers were illegal. We promptly let them all go. Because we won't tolerate it.

Now we wish we had not bought them out. Because its going to cost us mega-bucks to try to replace all the illegals they had on the payroll.

True. Perhaps we should have done a little more research before we signed off on the acquisition. But it just goes to show.

"Conservatives" rail against illegal immigrants. But the business community (whom the conservatives are allied with) hires them on, just the same.

Clean up you're own house. Then we'll talk.


Posted By: Scott Williams (Registered)  on January 28, 2009 at 05:11 AM

 
 
Despite the hard-edged conservatism here, I have to agree (and I have a liberal mindset) about the immigration issue. When a country depends on foreign cash sent by its citizens, that country is FUBAR to begin with.

People hate capitalism, but its the reason why the USA has been so rich for so long. The mexican gov't could give a rats ass about its country, and thats what disgusts me about mexico in general.


Posted By: ninjakinshu (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 07:44 AM

 
 
@BobbyZ
OH NOES, who cares what kind of conditions they've decided to work in, it's not our fault if someone can't find a good job.


Posted By: Post (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 09:33 AM

 
 
Maybe they would work 8 hour days with 2 water bottles if they actually tried to enter the country legally...

Posted By: Guest#2759 (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 10:38 AM

 
 
1. Force the Social Security Administration to come up with a secure database that allows companies to verify name/SSN combinations

2. Mandate that companies must use this system to verify the workers they hire.

3. Impose a $25,000 penalty PER OCCURANCE for any company who is found paying illegal workers

problem solved


Posted By: Eric (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 10:41 AM

 
 
Screw illegal aliens in general...whether their Mexican, Polish, Italian, or Cuban...those people are stealing from the country...

Fuck them...

And then the stupidest thing? The illegals fight to have days dedicated to their country of origin...if it's so good, why'd you leave it in the first place?


Posted By: y2j420 (Registered)  on January 28, 2009 at 11:07 AM

 
 
Quick question: Why is the U.S. the only country in the world that seems to be required to give a rat's ass about every other country, even the ones that profess to hate us?

Posted By: Jim C (Guest) on January 28, 2009 at 03:16 AM

You may want some facts to back that up. The US is actual near the bottom of foreign aid in terms of national income, giving 0.15% of gross national income in foreign aid in 2003 (last year I could find numbers for). The amount was $16.25 Billion. Compare that to the European Union, which is of similar size and collectively gave $49.2 Billion in foreign aid. We give the most in gross dollars because we're significantly larger than Japan or Great Britain or Spain or France, but, as a percentage, we give significantly less.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0106/p16s01-cogn.html

That's the article where I got my figures from. I would love to see more recent figures on the amount of aid the US gives compared to other countries, both in the amount of dollars and in percentage of GDP.


Posted By: Jeff Modzelewski (Registered)  on January 28, 2009 at 11:27 AM

 
 
"This is the reason why we conservatives fight against illegal immigration."

No, the reason is simple: racism. If these people were white and spoke English you'd never hear 'conservative' bigots complaining.

"Quick question: Why is the U.S. the only country in the world that seems to be required to give a rat's ass about every other country, even the ones that profess to hate us?"

We're not. People immigrate to other countries too, not just the USA. And "giving a rat's ass" is one of the things that makes America great.

Also, I'm sure "Peppy" is this guys ignorant and racist mangling of the stereotypical "Mexican" name Pepe. Although the only "Pepe" I've known is LePue and he's a fictional FRENCH skunk.

Hey Mark Radulich, that doesn't sound like an aboriginal name. Are you sure your ancestors came here from Eastern Europe totally legally? Or is that okay because they weren't "dirty Mexicans"?


Posted By: JTX (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 11:32 AM

 
 
Here's a more recent graph showing where the US relates to other countries in terms of Gross National Income:

http://www.vexen.co.uk/countries/best.html#Aid

The US is listed as the second lowest givers in terms of Gross National Income. So let's be honest and admit that we are not "the only country in the world that seems to be required to give a rat's ass about every other country." Please review facts before speaking.


Posted By: Jeff Modzelewski (Registered)  on January 28, 2009 at 11:38 AM

 
 
i am an avid mexican reader of this website, and i have been one for the past six years...and this article is borderline disgusting...please fire this idiot writer

Posted By: armin (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 12:35 PM

 
 
It's not racist when, as pointed out, the 2nd biggest way Mexico makes money is from those coming to the USA and sending money home. That's a fact.

And there will be NO complaining from anyone if they start deporting English-speaking illegals too. Illegal is illegal.

As for the USA not donating enough money to other countries, GOOD. A vast majority of the world's problems are European-caused (see: EVERYTHING in Africa), so they should be spening the money. We need to spend our money here (recession, remember?)


Posted By: Jimbo (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 12:56 PM

 
 
DeVry, LoL.

Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 12:56 PM

 
 
"3. Impose a $25,000 penalty PER OCCURANCE for any company who is found paying illegal workers"

Eric,
I would impose a $500,000 fine, per illegal, per occurance. Most larger companies don't give a damn about $25,000. Smaller companies would be closed if one or two were found to be working there. Hit them in their pocketbooks and hit it hard. Also I would go a step more. Most companies have a personnel office. Make the person who signs the employment application as the hiring person go to jail. 5 years would be a start.


Posted By: Jim (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 01:01 PM

 
 
There is nothing racist about demanding people follow the proper legal channels to get into the country. To say otherwise is to merely play the race card in an attempt to shut your opposition up.

Posted By: Chris Connolly (Registered)  on January 28, 2009 at 01:22 PM

 
 
I have to agree that at least an element of the distate for illegal workers is race-based. As a white, upper-middle class Brit I worked for a couple of months in the US. I was married to an American woman but didn't have any papers or a work permit. The construction company I worked for were pleased as punch to take me, a lowly secretary, to business parties to show off how cosmopolitan they were, while being open about their distate for illegal immigrants and workers.
When I approached one of the bosses about this they were very apologetic, perhaps thinking they had offended me, saying "Oh, we mean the OTHER illegal workers, you're ok, you know what I mean." I did-they meant illegal workers they wouldn't otherwise have met at the country club.
In their defence, they were otherwise a joy to work with and generally pretty decent people.


Posted By: TF (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 02:02 PM

 
 
How is selling illegal drugs from Mexico different than selling illegal labor from Mexico?

Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 02:03 PM

 
 
I thought about writing thoughtful response debunking your hyper-partisanship but that would be a waste of time. Instead I'll be short and to the point - you're a douche. Keep dividing the country, please. It will make 2012 that much easier for us Democrats.

Posted By: Matt (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 02:14 PM

 
 
Matt, agreed. What's sad is that the conservative philosophy actually has some good ideas, it's just that the party has been completely highjacked. And Ashish, I loved this part of the site for a while, but until we can get good articles with actual debate, I'm out of this section. And I imagine I can't be alone. Judging by the recent comments section, there is a serious "brain drain" starting to occur here, because people are being driven away. I hope things return to form.

Posted By: Guest99 (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 02:44 PM

 
 
When did this site get so insanely far-right?

Posted By: Curry Fan (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 03:14 PM

 
 
Ah...yes...nothing like another faux neo-con parroting what Rush and Fox News tells him too. For once I'd like to see an inciteful article looking at immigration beyond "they took urh jorbs!"

As many have pointed out, Mark, where's the accountability for the people (US CITIZENS) employing said workers. You sound like the same drone that whines and b!tches about Walmart's unfair business practices but keeps shopping there.


Posted By: Constructicon (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 04:03 PM

 
 
I have to go with the conservatives on this. Maybe not as hatefully, but I personally hate paying my taxes to the benefit of an illegal immigrant, be they mexican, polish, ugandan, tunisian, british, Italian, whatever.

I pay my taxes to my country for my country to take care of itself and its citizens. Not for it to take care of other people.


Posted By: Dage (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 04:21 PM

 
 
Everyone hates illegal immigration in general but without it it would cost $20 for a head of lettuce.

Posted By: demOcratic (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 05:00 PM

 
 
You know, I was kind of worried about reading the comments and seeing a bunch of "Yeah! Damn beaners stealing our jobs!" types of replies and I'm very glad I'm not. Good job, guys & gals.

Posted By: Zingy (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 05:17 PM

 
 
It always kills me to read Republicans spewing their talk radio vomit about Mexico and how terrible it is, because if you think about it, Mexico is a fucking Republican wet dream.

Posted By: Guest#5486 (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 05:37 PM

 
 
Constructicon,

My friend I believe you are mistaken. Thihs article is indeed quite 'inciteful'.

It is inciting name-calling, it is inciting racial stereotyping, and it is inciting ideological divisiveness.


Posted By: Scotty H (Registered)  on January 28, 2009 at 06:12 PM

 
 
The funny thing is the Mexicans in Mexico will respond to the lack of money flowing back from the USA by illegals by.....illegaly coming here!

Posted By: Guest#5735 (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 07:16 PM

 
 
Hey Jeff,

Do those figures include private charitable giving, or only government sponsored aid? Because unless it includes private charity, the figures are worthless.


Posted By: Eric (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 07:33 PM

 
 
""This is the reason why we conservatives fight against illegal immigration."

No, the reason is simple: racism. If these people were white and spoke English you'd never hear 'conservative' bigots complaining."

Hey douchebag, if they were white and spoke English, odds are they aren't illegal immigrants from Mexico. Dipshit.


Posted By: Guesticles (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 11:21 PM

 
 
Matt, agreed. What's sad is that the conservative philosophy actually has some good ideas, it's just that the party has been completely highjacked. And Ashish, I loved this part of the site for a while, but until we can get good articles with actual debate, I'm out of this section. And I imagine I can't be alone. Judging by the recent comments section, there is a serious "brain drain" starting to occur here, because people are being driven away. I hope things return to form.

Posted By: Guest99 (Guest) on January 28, 2009 at 02:44 PM

Yea no doubt about it. Ideas like fiscal conservatism and small government are good. The problem is that those are no longer ideas of any party, Bush-era Republicans especially.


Posted By: Matt (Guest)  on January 28, 2009 at 11:58 PM

 
 
No, the reason is simple: racism. If these people were white and spoke English you'd never hear 'conservative' bigots complaining."

Hey douchebag, if they were white and spoke English, odds are they aren't illegal immigrants from Mexico. Dipshit.

Posted By: Guesticles (Guest) on January 28, 2009 at 11:21 PM


You're absolutely right, except that your example is less racism than common sense. If they're white and speak English, it's not so hard to get them to assimilate. Plus, they're probably, intelligent, law-abiding, and don't demand a siesta every afternoon. In short, they (generally speaking) CONTRIBUTE to the society in which they live, rather than leech off it, sucking up the free benefits then complaining it's not enough. Dipshit.


Posted By: Assholeomio (Guest)  on January 29, 2009 at 01:19 AM

 
 
Good article, except the useless dingleberry in your article is spelled 'Pepe', not 'Peppy' (although they're pronounced the same...you know how sensitive these 'minorities' can be). Just thought you'd like to know. And before you Mexican assholes get on my dick for racism...I don't care. Stop demanding the country change for you, and start changing for IT, and then we can talk. I wouldn't go to Oaxaca and demand they speak English, so fuck off. It's called assimilation, bitches. If you'll make an effort to be an AMERICAN, I guarantee we'll extend the hand of friendship to you. If you want to be MEXICANS living in the U.S....well, you can fuck off and die.

Posted By: Assholeomio (Guest)  on January 29, 2009 at 01:39 AM

 
 
I have my own business. When I was looking to expand, I looked for people at the Texas Workforce. They would actually only show up for the interview just to say they tried and they kept their unemployment checks coming. A waste of time.

If I could have, I would have brought someone from Mexico that would actually work instead of just costing the government taxes for unemployment.

Other than that, it is true that the Mexican government should do more to pay their employees. At the same time, if they raised their minimum wage, the American companies there would go to China and India and Mexico would send more immigrants.

Not as easy as Mark Radulich (a native American as his name implies) makes it out to be. Mexicans are not stealing American dollars. Americans are not looking for those dollars in the first place. This article is very racist and disgusting.

That comment about the $20 lettuce is very true.


Posted By: Memin (Guest)  on January 29, 2009 at 03:28 AM

 
 
"You're absolutely right, except that your example is less racism than common sense. If they're white and speak English, it's not so hard to get them to assimilate. Plus, they're probably, intelligent, law-abiding, and don't demand a siesta every afternoon. In short, they (generally speaking) CONTRIBUTE to the society in which they live, rather than leech off it, sucking up the free benefits then complaining it's not enough. Dipshit.

Posted By: Assholeomio (Guest) on January 29, 2009 at 01:19 AM"

You and I were actually in agreement...dipshit. The fact is that people complain of racism because they have no other card to play. These ILLEGAL aliens (to hell with the "undocumented workers" horseshit) want rights and someone above said they pay for their taxes by working 12 hour days with a bottle of water. BULLSHIT. I work 14 hours a day, pay taxes, barely get a break and watch as these illegal workers come into my establishment and try to pay with food stamps (YES, ILLEGALS GET FOODSTAMPS...how do they do this without a social security number? They do it ILLEGALLY with fake socials).
My employees send the majority of their paychecks back home, as weekly I can expect one of them to ask for 20 minutes to go to Western Union or whatever they're using. Yet some people who have HIGHER taxes as a result of illegal immigration, who have LESS services because of illegal immigration, sit there and complain that the illegals don't get a fair deal? GET REAL..because you just got laid off in your private sector job and the Mexican is laughing at your ass because he's buying a restaurant in Mexico City (as one of my guys did...then he quit...without notice...nice...)

Oh and a little caveat for you, I'M MEXICAN...born and raised in New York.


Posted By: Guesticles (Guest)  on January 29, 2009 at 03:35 AM

 
 
For the thinktank conservatives who believe in free-market, responsibility and "failure":

1) Why aren't you questioning the companies that HIRE illegal immigrants?

2) Why hasn't it been implied by SOMEONE that business that do so are themselves BREAKING THE LAW (in an even more backhanded way because it is simple greed that is the motive) - and therefore, throw the bums in jail for doing so?

3) Why don't you suggest creating some sort of PRIVATIZED watchdog group (something along the lines of a Better Business Bureau) to make sure that companies are not doing this (and spare me the bullshit of telling people how to run their businesses - if most CEO's were smart, they would recognize how much hiring illegals is HURTING THEM and would stand against this).

Yeah, I don't feel bad for illegals enough as it is, but I am quite sick and tired of hearing one side of the argument (like it is ALL the illegals' fault) - Illegals wouldn't come here if there was no one TO HIRE THEM.

I wasn't aware that conservatism meant the conservation of personal funds through any means necessary - even if it means paying less for an illegal as opposed to paying more for...oh, what are they called...AMERICANS.


Posted By: Anarchist (Guest)  on January 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM

 
 
Now only if we could get those dirty americans out of canada who hide from your crazy laws

Posted By: Kent Baker (Guest)  on January 31, 2009 at 10:14 AM

 
STAY CURRENT




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