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 411mania » Politics » Blog Entry
On the Ethics of Octuplets
Posted by Mark Radulich on 02.04.2009



Recently friends and family have called me up asking for my opinion on the Octuplets born this past week in California. If you haven't hear this story (it's a doosey) here's what we know:

- The Mother appears to be single and unmarried.

- She already has 6 children making the total number of children 14.

- The family has financial problems to the tune of a bankruptcy, tax liens and a foreclosure, according to court records.

- Unknown and and unnamed physicians implanted eight embryos in order to play the odds, making sure that at least one took and a 6th pregnancy (2 of the original six are twins) was achieved; all eight embryos produced a child.

- The mother lives with her parents and her father works as a contractor in Iraq to support the 1550 square foot home.

- The grandmother reports that her daughter was obsessed with having babies.

- The younger of the original six are two and the oldest is 7-years-old.

- The latest on this story is that this single mother is seeking $2m from media interviews and commercial sponsorship to help pay the cost of raising the children. She intends to go on Oprah and Diane Sawyer, billing herself as a childcare expert. She's also been deluged with book deals.

- This woman's name is Nadya Suleman, and she describes herself as a "professional student" living off education grants and parental money. She broke up with her boyfriend before the birth of her first child seven years ago.

- The identity of the octuplets' father remains unknown, but local reports suggest they were conceived with frozen sperm donated by a friend she met while working at a fertility clinic. He is the father of her twins, born two years ago. That's at least three different fathers for the first 7 children that we know of. It would also appear that despite being insolvent and unable to support herself or her family, she elected to have more children (albeit not eight more, just one more making eight).

Now people want to know what I think, well, as a mandated reporter frankly I'm mortified.

Plenty of doctor's, ethicist's and other talking heads of the medical profession have weighed on this subject pretty much coming to the same conclusion; although nobody in their right mind would ethically promote this sort of behavior, there isn't much we can do stop it. This country tried eugenics many years ago and generally speaking we agreed that sterilizing poor people was a bad thing. As a social worker in Brooklyn, I saw women have up to 14 children while living in government housing, receiving food stamps and collecting welfare fairly regularly. In fact, many of these not only had 14 or so children with multiple men while living in poor conditions but did so while in the throes of crack and heroin addiction. The mother of 14 crack babies was all too common during my formative years as a New York City social worker. There was nothing we could do but remove the children those parents and free them for adoption elsewhere. Often times doctors recommended sterilization but it was still the patients choice whether or not to go through just as it was Suleman's choice to keep the children whether to murder them via adoption.

So what do I think? I think they are here and if people want to shower this circus freak with money, all the better for her children. However, I also think that despite this nuts good intentions with regards to "loving babies" many of them will be neglected, feel unloved and hurt themselves in an attempt to find love and stability elsewhere. This too I see all of the time. We are not a rural society anymore and the need for big families has passed. In the modern age time is fleeting and there just isn't enough to spread around for the children that demand your parental attention and guidance. In short, she will be a terrible mother because one person can't properly attend to all 14 kids at once. It's impossible. I've seen families struggle with just children, let alone 14.

Suleman is clearly a very selfish, crazy woman and clearly needs psychiatric treatment. Unfortunately she is not alone. Plenty of women think that since nobody loved them growing up they can fill that void with having a child that will love them unconditionally. If that were not problematic enough, the tendency is to replace said child once they are out of infancy with another drug baby. The image of the mommy hooked on baby love while her other children go on being neglected and becoming feral is all too common in my industry and in this society. Suleman is clearly the champion of mommies selfishly looking after their own needs, damning the very real needs of their children.

Unfortunately, because Child Protective Services is reactive and not proactive, one or more of those children will have to be sacrificed to the gods of tragedy before the whole lot of them is removed and placed in foster/adoptive homes. If she gets the millions she's asking for then like other rich, crazy, Hollywood-type sociopaths, she'll avoid the natural consequences that come with making poor decisions such as having 14 children out of wedlock with no father present and no actual income. Celebrities can generally put off natural consequences of their decisions until it's far too late and it catches up to them and this is the future that is in store for Suleman and her brood.

The truly horrifying thing is that if she is successful in making money off of this endeavor, how long will it be before other insane women attempt to use their bodies for homegrown circuses as well? If this creates a trend of lazy nutters cranking out babies for an opportunity to yack it up on Oprah, that's when I'll start seriously reconsidering bringing back eugenics.

Either that or they'll all just apply for an Obama bail out.



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The standard left wing mantra is:

Its her body and she can do what ever the hell she wants with it, no matter the consequences. Mind you own business "male oppressor".


Posted By: Mikel (Guest)  on February 04, 2009 at 12:14 AM

 
 
Mikel,

Clearly, you are ignorant. The point of liberal's talking about woman's bodies has everything to do with abortion. The conservatives/pro-lifers are the people to blame. They are the people that say it is such a miralce. People need more babies! Remember what John Stuart Mill said about conservatives.......

Honestly, how many left wing people do you see with a large litter...err...family? Most of them are on the VERY right, and they lack common sense. Giving birth is a natural process, it is not some grand, glorious endeavor. As Bill Hicks said, "it is no more a miracle than eating food and a turd coming out of your ass." Thank you.


Posted By: David (Guest)  on February 04, 2009 at 01:00 AM

 
 
This chicks needs some serious help. Who is going to pay for this mess? Us taxpayers, that's who. I would not give her a damn dime. You can tell that she cares more about fame and money more than the kids. She needs help real bad.

Posted By: Tony D Tyger (Guest)  on February 04, 2009 at 01:12 AM

 
 
See? This is why we should have left Pelosi's ghetto condoms in the Stimulus bill!

Posted By: Jamal (Guest)  on February 04, 2009 at 08:38 AM

 
 
What's the alternative?

Is someone on this board really going to suggest killing a baby?

I think that conservatives view on abortion is very simple: If you are mature enough to have sex, then you are mature enough to handle the responsibiltiy of having a kid.

Why is it so wrong to hold people accountable in this country for their actions anymore?

If you want to fuck, use protection- or be smart enough to know that you might have a kid.

But don't kill the kid because of your mistake...take responsibility.

And it's the liberals who empower this idea, by allowing massive welfare programs that benefit these people.

Then blame conservatives because we don't think the baby should be terminated...so liberals can spend less on the very welfare programs they push.

Its fucked up.

This chick is working the very system that liberal thought has made possible- a massive tax payer fed welfare program.

Get rid of the welfare, educate the people and let them know that their actions carry weight.

But killing babies, and giving welfare to people who can't afford them only makes this problem worse. It erodes are morals, and depletes our resources.


Posted By: The Spook (Guest)  on February 04, 2009 at 09:53 AM

 
 
God, for all that is holy – for fucks sakes, who the fuck cares?!?!?

Really? Seriously? Do YOU really care that much?

Why? Because she chose to have more babies? Isn’t this a free country? Isn’t part of the “Conservative” mantra something along the lines of no government intervention? “Stay out of my wallet and my bedroom” or something like that? Oh, except when it’s a matter of ETHICS, right?

Fuck, no one knows a damn thing about “ethics” – not till we die and we discover if there is an afterlife and we are rewarded for the one we live now.

What about capitalism and opportunity? You wanna call this exploitation, right? Where are those that are calling her a shrewd businesswoman? Hell, if she’s making money off this, good for her. It’s no different than a company that has been in rural Ohio for 35 years that suddenly decides to outsource jobs to another country to “save money” and “expand the bottom line”, thereby taking dependable income away from those who need it. Ethics, right? Capitalism, right?

Why don’t you suggest that she have an ABORTION, too while you’re at it?

Don’t be a bunch of fucking hypocrites. You either want NO government intervention or you want TOTAL intervention. There is no middle ground, especially when it comes to “ethics” because everyone has a different set of them. One person’s point of view is another’s violation of “ethics”. It’s called individual responsiblility. You remember what that is, right? Don’t you preach that shit all the time? Don’t turn back on your word, now...

...Or you would be a “liberal” – and, God, fuck – no one wants that, right?


Posted By: Anarchist (Guest)  on February 04, 2009 at 12:01 PM

 
 
Aren't you tired of the Rove's/GWB;s destruction of the word liberal? It doesn't surprise me that some "special" people buy into the new definition. Hell, they are the same people that thought Saddam had some sort of weapon of mass destruction, and an itchy trigger finger...

Posted By: David (Guest)  on February 04, 2009 at 02:13 PM

 
 
What the author is mistakenly assuming is that people with only 1 or 2 kids are successful in raising children. People are just as apt to raise a fucked up kid as 14 of them. What about the rich assholes that raped the banking industry that have trophy kids? Never spend time with them but since they are rich, hooray!

Posted By: Sean (Guest)  on February 04, 2009 at 02:41 PM

 
 
There is some severe bullshit going on here.

What the fuck is up with this "Obama Bailout" nonsense?

As I recall, the first bailout was presided over by BUSH, and had no transparency. It basically amounted to a handout that these companies used to throw parties and hand ridiculous bonuses to their executives.

I hate it when conservatives act like hypocritical douchebags and completely ignore any and all facts.

Keep it up guys. Those tactics didn't work this year and they'll hopefully never work again.


Posted By: Dage (Guest)  on February 04, 2009 at 02:53 PM

 
 
Spook, first let me say that I agree with the theoretical position of making people accountable. I do agree that if you are mature enough to have sex then you should be mature enough to take responsibility for the consequences. That breaks down in actual practice, though, because there are plenty of people that WON'T take responsibility, and there isn't a really good way of forcing them to. You end up with the inner city at that point, and many, many of the children there have had terrible lives because of lack of parenting, and will grow up to do the same. I don't really have a solution to this, but that's why I can't get behind the "They need to take responsibility" argument. Many people just aren't. It's a human trait and there is no way around it. It's like saying people should take responsibility for their finances, lives, and community, and not steal. It won't stop people from stealing.

Posted By: xjuggernaughtx (Guest)  on February 04, 2009 at 04:30 PM

 
 
Can't wait to hear what Coulter has to say about this since she feels a single mother of one should give the kid up for adoption, so they don't end up criminals.

Posted By: L I A M (Guest)  on February 04, 2009 at 05:30 PM

 
 
I blame those muthaf%#@$*ers 'Jon and Kate Plus 8.'

Posted By: TrueIndeed (Guest)  on February 04, 2009 at 11:50 PM

 
 
To Spook: Right on, brother! That's why we're in the messes we're in as a nation! People don't take responsibility for their actions!

To Anarchist:
You can't even form a simple sentence without using the word "fuck". I think that shows you lack the intelligence to tell anyone what to do. You're a fool! Go sit in your corner like a good little angst-ridden boy and leave the conversation to the adults!

As for you Dage, the DEMOCRATS were the ones who wrote and passed the Bush bailouts! The DEMOCRATS were in control of Congress for the last TWO years of Bush's presidency! They were responsible for the downfall of Freddie/Fannie, for the recession, and for an approval rating that was almost 20 points LOWER than Bush's! Again, you liberals really don't do any research, do you?


Posted By: Spyke (Guest)  on February 05, 2009 at 10:07 AM

 
 
Spyke:

Fuck, fuck, fuckity fuck fuck.

Free cuntry, remember. I say what I want, do what I want. Play with your child's guts if I want.

I made my points, you haven't responded. Cause you CAN'T.

Fuck.


Posted By: Anarchist (Guest)  on February 05, 2009 at 04:30 PM

 
 
Wow!! Sounds like a bunch of immature idiots. Why not leave this woman alone and mind your own business!! Do any of you really think that what she does with her life will effect yours in any way? NO, This world is doomed because we are run by a democratic nation!! GOD HELP US!!

Posted By: Eastcoast opinion (Guest)  on February 05, 2009 at 11:00 PM

 
 
LOL, conservatives saying babies are a miracle in a response to this is typical liberal slander. Conservatives think that NATURAL child conception is a miracle. This is hardly natural. On top of that, a traditional upbringing is the backbone of why a natural child birth is supposed to be a miracle. This ignorant moron is hardly going for a traditional upbringing, going all the way back to her first child. This moron was created by the liberal belief of meaningless sex(not saying I disagree with that) while not worrying about the consequences. Up until this "miracle"(hardly) that is. At this point she's just completely stupid, and now, thanks to the media, will be used as a device to cause disagreements between the left and the right. America at its finest.

Posted By: Butters4Prez (Guest)  on February 06, 2009 at 02:35 PM

 
 
Money, politics, and government.

What about these kids. Do they each get 15 minutes with mommy per day? How is she going to nuture them?

This is really screwed up. I say pull the lisence of the doctor. If she cares about the children, she will give some up for adoption when the money doesn't flow. Otherwise, she will go to JAIL for child abuse and neglect.

Case closed.


Posted By: SpankMeSilly (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 07:02 PM

 
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