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Why Doesn’t America Dislike Obama?
Posted by Andrew Tobolowsky on 03.11.2009



We're in big trouble, economically. Most news stations, even the liberal ones, have grave concerns about the stimulus plan. And yet, the prime architect of the plan sits at 61% approval rating, even a little higher than Reagan's was at the same time. It doesn't seem to make sense.

And yet, I think it does. The opponents of the plan have massively mismanaged the attack against it.
For starters, the prime complaint against the plan is that it will land us in massive debt. This is the Hannity attack, the John McCain attack, etc.

But it's probably the stupidest attack I've ever heard. I mean come the hell on. There are shady political ways to pretend that certain things are not facts. But nobody on Earth, even in the Christmas Islands, has failed to notice that nobody COULD be worse for the deficit than recent Republican presidents. It TRIPLED under Reagan. It went absolutely nuts under Bush II. And now they suddenly care about the debt?

Nobody who is not so stupid as to believe any propaganda whatever, could possibly be so stupid as to fall for that one. Seriously. There was a slight surplus under Clinton. You blow up the debt, and you blow up the debt, and then you're like OMG DEBT?...right.

Two, it's probably not the Republicans fault but they keep picking the wrong things in the bill to attack. There was that super highway to Las Vegas that they were so upset about which, it turns out, wasn't actually in the bill. There was Bobby Jindal going on national television to complain that the bailout was expending "pork" money for "something called volcano monitoring".

Again, come on. There has to be lots of weak sauce in this bill. You think most people are so dumb they don't think "volcano monitoring" could potentially be important? Hell, we've all seen Dante's peak. Be smart and pick something that really is pork. Unless it's not there! In which case, you'd be better off just shutting it.

Three, you'd think the Democratic obnoxiousness in the Senate would bleed over to Obama. Does anyone like Pelosi and Reid?

But, again, it appears not so. Hey, they were already a problem before the man got there. I'm just the messenger—but it's my sense that America has chosen to see them, not as Democrats just like the President, but as annoying human beings working AGAINST another human being. If we ever wanted to achieve a post-party state, unlikely as it is that we ever will, the fact that Pelosi, especially, is so generally loathed pretty much removes her from the whole party business. In public perception, I mean.

Four, You'd think Wall Street's continued collapse would, as Republicans are insisting it should, reflect on Obama's plan.

But it just doesn't. Hey, America feels completely screwed by Wall Street. They're not about to LISTEN to Wall Street now. Nor is it particularly clear, given the black voodoo magic that is economics, that any kind of bailout plan would make Wall Street magically work again. Sorry guys, Joe Six Pack---if he isn't too busy plumbing or complaining about Socialism or whatever--isn't ABOUT to start listening to Wall Street.

Five, whether it was the fault of Republicans or not you can't really blame normal, rational human beings for feeling that as, indisputably, the Republicans have been in charge for eight years that ended in a terrible economic collapse---well maybe they've lost a little of their economic credibility. The same way that even if it was my instruments that went out, if I was flying the plane it'd be unlikely that anybody would be real thrilled to take my flying advice. Saying the economy sucked BAD under Republicans is not the same thing as saying the economy sucked bad BECAUSE of the Republicans--I'll leave that to economic experts--but hey, you know the ol' country saw: Correlation implies causality. You were there when the manure hit the windmill. Bad luck or bad judgment, you've still got poop on your hands.

And, six, while in a sense it's a principled stand, in a city that's so often devoid of principles, despite the initial popular uproar at the bailout, governors and senators standing up against money that is typically going to unemployment and that kind of thing is not going to win you a lot of fans or converts. America liked it, I think, when Republicans stood up against money going to huge companies. But standing in the way of the money going to people who've been laid off? Again, it's not whether it's a smart idea or dumb idea it's that it LOOKS like a dumb idea.

Now look lads. I am not trying to tell you what's true or false. I'm trying to explain public opinion, which doesn't necessarily pay attention to facts. And this? This is mostly luck. I don't believe anyone knows how to fix the economy for sure. People could easily have panicked and blamed Obama, they could hold him to judgment for the fact that Wall Street has yet to responded. But they haven't. So far, that's just true. And the attacks against him? Typically inept.

And to me that's no bad thing. No matter how you feel about Obama, we do have almost four full years more of the guy. The juice that makes the economy work again? No one knows what that is. But investor confidence helps. Confidence in the president, helps. The feeling that things are going to be okay? Helps a lot.

And the fact is that the Republicans don't have the numbers to do anything and the rest of us can't either. I'm not saying Republicans should sit down and shut up. I think there are legitimate complaints that will help make this thing work. Hey, I'm not going to tell Republicans what to do.

But a little hope, right now? Could go a long, long way.


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The reason everyone still loves Obama is this... We assume that everyone in wall street hates Obama. Its not far fetched to believe that everyone in wall street with all the money they're laying down are republicans, meaning they don't trust anything he does, meaning the market gets weaker every day. I blame people in control of wealth these days. The people who made money on the market are douches, they are the republicans, I've always hated these people. Oh well, drive the market to the ground, it'll hurt them the worst. Sure the poor will fail but it will be fun to watch the rich become poor. The reason everyone can hate Nancy Pelosi and love Barrack is because most people believe that the political parties don't mean anything nowadays, that all politicians are crooked, and that you'd have to look at each persons character seperately. I like Barrack Obama, but would I vote for Nancy Pelosi for anything? NO. She doesn't seem capable of getting along with her peers enough to get anything done.

Posted By: Tony (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 01:00 PM

 
 
"The people who made money on the market are douches, they are the republicans, I've always hated these people. "

Ignorance meets player-hating. You actually think only Republicans work in the market and only contribute to Republican candidates? Absurd.

You cannot make nominal temporal comparisons of "the deficit". Therefore, your argument about Republican presidents and deficit spending is specious at best. Beside, the Congress not the President has the power of the purse.

Correlation does not infer causality. The idea that you can isolate a single political actor for changes in economic conditions is blatantly partisan, ham-fisted and denies a robust understanding of the American political economy.

What a convenient split of hairs to say the poor economic performance was not caused by Republican rule but occurred simultaneously with Republican rule therefore we can infer that it was caused by Republican rule.

The economy is a rouge elephant and arguing its growth prospects as purely a function of political party in power is synonymous with inferring Republicans caused Hurricane Katrina because they were in power when Katrina struck.


Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 01:33 PM

 
 
Don't you feel that heavy wait lift off your shoulders? That is called the truth, and Andrew is the voice for it today. Keep speaking it, brother.

Posted By: David (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 01:41 PM

 
 
"Everyone" still likes Obama because unlike the last shit-for-brains that was in his office; he actually started to work on this issue BEFORE HE WAS IN OFFICE. George Bush just sat twittling his thumbs patting himself on the back for fucking up America royally, while Obama and his team were fighting a losing battle.

Posted By: Guest#5065 (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 01:42 PM

 
 
The reason Wall street is reacting so Badly is that Wall street is based on EXPECTATIONS.


A bunch of really smart people work there (by that I mean me). And we examine things like the bailout ALL DAY EVERYDAY. So we KNOW its probably not gonna work and will only make things worse.

Offcourse joe six pack doesnt know that cause he's too distracted by Obama's celebrity.

Have you even read the stimulus bill. That 100+ page montrosity of wealth destruction?

The free market knows best. Let us do our jobs


Posted By: hhhh (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 01:57 PM

 
 
The reason Obama's polling data is so good is twofold:

1. He's still new. We are less than two months in.

2. What I call the "burger and beer" factor. People vote for who they could have a burger and a beer with. This worked for Reagan, Clinton, and W. It hurt Dole, Gore, and Kerry.

And there are plenty of liberals on Wall Street. Hell, Jim "Mad Money" Cramer is a self-proclaimed liberal and is on the Obama admin's Most Wanted list.


Posted By: ScottyFlamingo (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 02:17 PM

 
 
Obama still has high approval ratings because he inherited this mess. Only blind ideologues would suggest otherwise.

Posted By: matt (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 02:32 PM

 
 
I think Tony makes a great point. No one is seen as more evil than Wall Street, so their disapproval is likely winning Obama points. I certainly perceive them as greedy bastards who would sell the whole country out from under us if it made them a few bucks. The only thing they care about are stock prices, and the rich still hold most of the stock. They would greatly prefer a band-aid solution that gets Americans spending beyond their means again to actually addressing the underlying problems that got us here: easy credit, lax regulation, and a massive trade deficit. Think about it, do we make ANYTHING other countries want to buy from us? If a respectable percentage of our GDP was exports, the housing crisis wouldn't be costing nearly as many jobs. What we need is a bigger market for the stuff we make, which will only come if we make better stuff that can't be mass produced in sweatshops. As other nations industrialize the world's wealth will redistribute away from the U.S. We need to think like a company looking to gain market share before it's too late. Sadly that will inevitably include lowering our standard of living in order to compete, with auto makers being a prime example.

Posted By: Shockmaster (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 02:41 PM

 
 
"And yet, the prime architect of the plan sits at 61% approval rating, even a little higher than Reagan's was at the same time."

That is inherently wrong. The prime architect of the stimulus package was the House Democrats. Not Obama himself. So Pelosi (and to a lesser extent Reid) get to to play Bad Cop while Obama can continue to play Good Cop.

I think you are right in the fact that the Republicans seem to be finding the wrong hill to die on. They need to get wiser about that. Need to find their definitive core principles and new leaders to get behind to stand behind them.

The problem is after 8 years of spending like drunken sailors to suddenly wake up and say "No, That's going to drive us into debt and fiscally irresponsible!" kind of robs them of credibility. Whether that is the truth or not is irrelevant. Its the perceived truth. The problem is, the only thing the American people remember from the last 8 years of Republican economics is "Tax Cuts, Tax Cuts, and Tax Cuts". And that Republicans have traditionally championed privatization and big business. Right now, big business is viewed as the bad guy. They are viewed as the reason we are in this mess.

But then again, nobody can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like the Democrats. They are infamous for the "circular firing squads". Let see if that doesn't hold true too.


Posted By: Elliot (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 03:08 PM

 
 
This does NOT tell me why America does not like Obama. This is just more rhetoric and propaganda targeted at the Republican party. If you want to do a column on why Obama is the best thing since Jesus himself, if you believe in that stuff, then at least label it so. If you want to do a column on why you think the Republican party isn’t your cup of tea, then do so. Just give it a proper title. This was a colossal waste of time.

Posted By: anti-messiah (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 03:09 PM

 
 
Hey hhhh, did the free market briefly stop knowing best, but then remembered?

Posted By: Andrew Tobolowsky (Registered)  on March 11, 2009 at 03:14 PM

 
 
Anti-Messiah: Learn to read

hhhh: Yes, the free market has totally acted responsibly in the last 8 years. We should give them more free reign. I mean, look at all the prosperity around us! Times couldn't be better!!!


Posted By: xjuggernaughtx (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 03:36 PM

 
 
"What a convenient split of hairs to say the poor economic performance was not caused by Republican rule but occurred simultaneously with Republican rule therefore we can infer that it was caused by Republican rule."

2 wars, 1 of which started on false pretense that we have been spending obscene amounts of money on helped CAUSE the deficit we are in

6 years of a republican controlled congress with bush at the helm as president and their spending habit helped CAUSE the deficit we are in

Pretty sure all of the above has to do with where we are now as a country...so excuse me while Place most of the blame on the republican party and those who called all this...to say otherwise is just not factually accurate.


Posted By: jeremy (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 03:46 PM

 
 
Ok people. Id like to make one simple point clear. Mr. Obama is a puppet. So was Bush, Clinton, Bush#1. Ever hear of the NWO? Bilderbergers? CFR? Rockerfella?
These are the people pulling the stings. The evidence speaks for it self. He keeps Gates. He also really pushed to give bankers tax money. In addition, what happen to " If a Arab-American family is picked up without due process of the law, that matters to me." One thing we all seem to forget : HE VOTED FOR THE EXTENTION OF THE PATRIOT ACT!!!!! As a Vet, I want to share some GI slang with you all BOHICA...Bend Over, Here It Comes Again.


Posted By: TRUE LIES (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 03:49 PM

 
 
hhhh... I would love to hear your reasoning how all the brilliant people on Wall Street, who spend all day everyday dealing with markets and monetary issues, were so blindsided by the burst of the housing bubble. It seems if they knew what was going on, they would have prepared for that and the markets wouldn't be as down as they are now. Or maybe the tech bubble and its burst. I think everyone is starting to realize that there's nothing special about people that work in Wall Street.

Buying stocks is no different than any other form of gambling. Face it no one has a clue what will happen in the future and the people on Wall Street are no different. Personally I think you're better off gambling on sports, at least it's fun to watch the events unfold.


Posted By: nonfree (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 04:00 PM

 
 
"Ever hear of the NWO?"

So Hulk Hogan caused the deficit?

It all makes sense now, brother!


Posted By: Guest#9101 (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 04:48 PM

 
 
Actually, his approval rating dropped to 56% as of yesterday. And it's not just the debt, it's the fact that he wants to nationalize health care, nationalize the banks, etc. He wants to bring about socialism. Also the fact that everyone thought he was the "second coming" or something and yet he has failed to live up to almost every single promise he made on the campaign trail! From appointing, not just Washington insiders, but CRIMINALS to cabinet positions, to the lies about going line-by-line and removing all pork-spending!

Posted By: Spyke (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 04:56 PM

 
 
I find it puzzling that everybody around the country loves Obama, but there's a great amount of hate for him here in Arkansas. I almost feel like an outcast.

If you could tell me why people hate Obama, i would greatly appreciate it. Because, it baffles the fuck out of me.


Posted By: the dude (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 05:12 PM

 
 
Probably cause everytime they turn on the TV there's something about a trillion dollars a billion dollars there, while people are struggling their handing out money at an enormous rate. Also no one probably knows where al the money is going they just see the $$$ scroll across the screen. Maybe if they went through and told ya where it all was going then there wouldn't be nearly as many people upset right now or if they showed us how they plan on making all that money back.

Posted By: why people hate Obama (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 06:10 PM

 
 
Good lord... hhhh works on Wall Street?

*shudder*


Posted By: UkraineNotWeak (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 06:19 PM

 
 
". The people who made money on the market are douches, they are the republicans"

This is the single most ignorant statement on the planet. Warren Buffet, big liberal/big Obama supporter and so are a majority of the EVIL banks ceo's and really I'm surprised nobody ever mentions George Soros. He's the man behind wanting to tear this country down, funding various agitating organizations like Move-on and Center for American Progress and I wouldn't be surprised that he, like when he devalued the British pound and made $1 billion, had something to do with the market nearly falling off the face of the planet last september.

Funny, if Soros were a republican and he devalued the dollar and made $1 billion, people on the left (and the media) would be going apeshit. But no, nothing but hypocrites on the left.


Posted By: SteveC (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 06:43 PM

 
 
Oh no Socialism! The big bad boogeyman!

Posted By: MydniteSon (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 07:33 PM

 
 
Hey, can't help the fact the big sugar daddy of the DNC, George Soros, helped the Nazis during WWII.

Posted By: SteveC (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 08:29 PM

 
 
I personally don't like the road that Obama is taking. I can't say I "want him to fail", but I hope the course can be corrected soon. I believe his approval ratings are high like Bush's were after 911. The US likes to see someone doing something. So often DC is full of people that want to talk, talk, talk, and talk some more without doing anything. Time will tell whether or not this works.

Wall Street is not quite the huge force everyone makes it out to be. What is troubling is the large swings it has been making over the past two decades. It runs to record highs and then crashes to record lows. Because of our financial firms working quarter to quarter both the big guy and the little guy are losing sight of the big picture. Slow, but steady growth would be good for our future. But, people don't invest that way. To say that only the rich lose when the stock market bottoms out is a huge blunder. Our insurance agencies, pensions, college funds, and numerous other financial stakes are in the ashes of where the market was before. Why not try and look at the big picture and not just throw out ridiculous statements?


Posted By: Obrie007 (Guest)  on March 11, 2009 at 09:13 PM

 
 
Anyone else expect True Lies to throw the Jews in there too?...I guess I'm relieved...

Posted By: Andrew Tobolowsky (Registered)  on March 11, 2009 at 11:48 PM

 
 
FWIW, Bush's approval rating at this time in 2001 was about 58 %. A WHOLE 3 POINTS (depending on the poll you wanna look at) LESS than Obama. This is called the honeymoon period. Clinton was down to 37-40% by May of 1993. Lets not get carried away people about approval ratings 50 days into the guys presidency.

Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest)  on March 12, 2009 at 12:17 AM

 
 
Voting is a psychological commitment that can cloud your mind. After a majority of Americans voted for Obama, they want to be vindicated by seeing him succeed. If part of your identity is being liberal or conservative, then irrational defenses of your team will be par for the course.
The percentage of people who understand banking, the stock market, or monetary policy is too small for a popular uprising against policy. There will have to be some emotional breach of trust before voters abandon Obama.

Also, on the subject of irrational voters. Wall Street does NOT hate Obama. Some of his top donors were
2.Goldman Sachs
5. Citigroup
6. JP Morgan
17. Morgan Stanley


Posted By: Tom (Guest)  on March 12, 2009 at 04:35 AM

 
 
xjuggernaughtx: i did read. this column only tells me why andrew hates the republican party.

Posted By: anti-messiah (Guest)  on March 12, 2009 at 08:46 AM

 
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