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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
Posted by Andrew Tobolowsky on 03.22.2009



I've written a lot of opinions for this website over the year and a half or so I've been working here. On a variety of topics and for a variety of occasions. But one thing I've never claimed to be an expert on and never dealt with seriously is the economy.

I'm a smart kid and I'm logical so it's not like I'm helpless here. I have it on good authority that most of you who come in here to dazzle us with their economic knowledge are not in fact holders of economic degrees. So a lot of us, I know, ARE in the same boat. But in terms of knowing what lever will raise what hook? I know a lot of people who've STUDIED the subject who aggressively disagree with each other on what to do about taxes, interest rates, etc. What am I supposed to think?

But I do know politics. And I think it's likely that if we are heading towards a financial disaster because of what Obama's doing, it'll only be a reckoning for years of self-destructive politics on both sides.

Judd Gregg went on CNN today to say that Obama's budget—not the bailout but his budget, which distinction I'll discuss in a minute—will cause America to go bankrupt. Is he right? I don't know. He surely knows the economy better than me.

But I hope he isn't because two factors arbitrate against him ever being listened to, and neither are particularly the fault of one party or the other.

First, the bailout which is NOT the same thing as Obama's surprisingly ambitious budget.

The truth of the matter is that Republicans, flat out, did a horrendous job of opposing the bailout. As the senators grandstanded on vague principles, the Republican governors tried to slip them notes that they really did need the cash. PR people failed to notice that it's not that private citizens were against personally receiving money—no one ever is, no matter what, ever—they were against other people getting it too, especially banks. So they tried to sell the attack against it by turning these private citizens into Republican financial philosophers which is the one thing people NEVER are when someone's talking about actually handing THEM cash.

The outcry against the three (four?) governors who have refused bailout money is evidence enough of this. Especially Rick Perry (dumb man, fantastic hair), whose official stance is we won't take it, and we're not getting enough. The refusal of someone who lives in a huge house, with a nice salary, and the luxury of principles, of money intended for people who don't have much to eat is never going to go down smooth however much principle there is behind it.

And so, by opposing equally the money intended for wall street and main street, the Republicans set themselves up as blindly obstructionist. It would have been one thing if they had the numbers to force the issue. Because they didn't, when they refused to come into the tent and try to make the situation better, it came off as just more grandstanding. And that's because it was completely safe: the Republican senators could get away with the best of both worlds. The much-needed bailout would pass, and their hands would be clean of any of the negative consequences. It looked gutless, and it probably was.

The really problem is that by APPEARING blindly obstructionist (not, I may say, that that appearance is not founded on just case) we may very easily come to a juncture--this may be it--when they're obstructing something that really does need to be obstructed only they have, to put it into elegant political terms, shot their wad on worthless junk.

So now when it comes to them wanting to warn us about the budget, about which they may be absolutely, deadly right—they're saying only what the American people are expecting them to. It seems like they're just being obstructionist again. It's the boy who cried wolf. But maybe, we really should listen. And maybe they shouldn't have biased us against listening by picking their battles.

The budget gives me far more uneasiness than the bailout. The problem many Republicans have with the budget is a fair one—it seems strange that anyone would be talking about spending lots of money in our current financial situation. You can understand Obama's thinking—first, that this is why he wanted to be president, to try to make the changes he's trying to make and second, I think it is entirely true that his revisions of Health Care, initiatives for cleaner energy and so on will ultimately result in much greater cost effectiveness and efficiency in a lot of places.

But it's hard to argue that the initial starting cost, coming at THIS time, isn't a serious risk.

You can hardly turn on a TV these days without seeing a Republican, be it a distinguished senator or an obscure talk show host, telling us this budget here will plunge us into debt and enumerating the consequences of that action.

But how can you blame people for being a bit surprised to find that Republicans suddenly care about debt. We've been in basically ineradicable debt since Reagan. We've been in completely ineradicable debt since Bush II. Two of the last three Republican presidents did things to the debt things that it's illegal to do in 48 states. Suddenly, they care about Obama's debt.

It smells fishy. It is hypocritical. But the scary thing is, hypocritical is not the same as wrong.

Judd Gregg strikes me as a man of principle. He's a smart man, and a man whose financial acumen even Obama values. I don't know that he's right, but I do know he has a legitimate fear. But I think politics has gotten in the way of him being listened to. It's not his fault, nor is it just his party's fault. It is, however, true.

If the warning he offers is necessary, than the culpable ones in THIS case are the Democrats for not offering it as well. That's not any less political posturing than anything I could say about the Republican handling of the bailout. It is just as bad. I see Pelosi really dedicated to sending a message to Obama that she's not his pawn, but I surely don't see her doing anything specific simply because it's the RIGHT thing to do. And that scares me just as much.

This is the real version of that riddle where, of the two guards, one person's telling the truth and one's lying. Only there's a dangerous difference. Both of the guards have demonstrably been choosing their own political interests over our personal ones at every important juncture. It's not that one always tells the truth and one always lies, as in the good classic riddle with a solution, it's that one has momentarily stopped lying and will probably go back to it shortly. That's a guess it's impossible to make with confidence. And that truly is a shame.

There's nothing new in any of this, of course. With the piece by piece dismantling and fire sale of John McCain's soul in the last election, I guess I'm just hoping to find somebody else who I can expect to tell me the truth regardless of political implications. Who knows? Maybe it's Judd Gregg.

And let me please say, as well, that I loved this article . He's better than I am. Yes, he is...


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I'm just here waiting for The Spook to show up, insult liberals and Andrew for wanting to listen to Judd Gregg, and spout off about how he's the conservative answer to everyone on this site. Please, what a joke.

Posted By: Kevin (Guest)  on March 22, 2009 at 10:48 PM

 
 
After a few clicks of the mouse(something you could do too Andrew)I found out the main opposition of these republican governors refusing part of the stimulus bill was becuase they would have to change the unemployment benefits packages(and laws) in their states.This would result in future debt in the upcoming years after the stimulus runs out.

Seems to me they viewed it as bad policy to change laws seeing that the money isn't going to be there forever.Of course if you believe that the economy is going to turn arond becuase of all this spending then maybe tax revenues will increase.I think your crazy to think that way but I will be the first one to admit I am wrong if its the case.

It would be "awesome" huh Andrew?


Posted By: John (Guest)  on March 22, 2009 at 11:28 PM

 
 
"But one thing I've never claimed to be and never dealt with seriously is the economy."

Of course you're not the economy. You don't need anyone's help to fail.


Posted By: Zing! (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 12:04 AM

 
 
Thomas Friedman...

The New York Times...

Psshhhh...

Andrew, you typical, God-hating, America-hating, troop-hating, freedom-hating, free-market-hating hippie liberal!

Why can't you quote someone who has some real intelligence, some real insight into and understanding of these economic matters?

Like Rush Limbaugh.

Or even better, Ann Coulter. She sells lots of books so you know she understands the economy.

Or how about the "one-mega-speech messiah" Sarah Palin? She takes no money from nowheres and auctions stuff on ebay. She'll fix the economy in a snap.

Too bad you and the rest of uber liberal America couldn't find the brain faculty to see Palin as the savior and vote for her last November.

She would have continued Bush's "faith in God" economic, foreign, military and diplomatic policies and this country would be perfect right now.

Obama has squandered his first sixty days!

Impeach Obama!


Posted By: Crow21 (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 12:53 AM

 
 
I am not now, nor have I ever been, the economy.

(not to take away a perfectly good zing, zing, but I have now edited the thing. Let the record show I originally left out important words leading to my making a claim that, while true, doesn't actually make sense).


Posted By: Andrew Tobolowsky (Registered)  on March 23, 2009 at 01:52 AM

 
 
Crow21, you provided some great insight just now. Ellaborate on this.

Posted By: Guest#8087 (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 02:08 AM

 
 
Now is the time to plant some seeds for the future though. It's not like digging that debt hole any deeper is going to make any difference. Once you're looking up from the bottom, a few more feet don't matter. Especially if that money may at least pay out some dividends in the long run. Whereas most of the rest that got us here, hasn't.

Posted By: Jake G (Registered)  on March 23, 2009 at 03:21 AM

 
 
Andrew, you are concerned about 'all this spending when we are in such a bad situation'... which rather misses the point. All this spending is intended to get us OUT of the bad situation. Look at the Great Depression. FDR came along with the New Deal (a.k.a. massive government budget spending) and cut unemployment by more than half (from ~23%) in six years. Then WWII started and we responded with... even MORE massive government spending. Unemployment plummeted further and the country became an economic powerhouse. Think about that. The government borrowed money to pay alot of people to make planes and ships which then went out and got blown up. We could have just sunk all the planes and ships in the ocean for all the ECONOMIC benefit they gave us (we didn't make money out of winning the war). What caused the economy to boom were all those paychecks (from borrowed money) to millions of workers... who then had enough not only to feed themselves, but afford some luxuries... which meant more demand for luxuries which meant more workers hired to produce them... more paychecks. Et cetera. The opposite of 'trickle down' economics in every way (including that it actually works).

After WWII the national debt as a percentage of GDP stood at over 80%... yet the country did not go bankrupt. Obama's plans would take us to that level only in the most ridiculously pessimistic projections. This doesn't mean that we should just borrow and spend ad infinitum, but the simple fact is that we can handle a short term increase in debt and NEED one to get out of this deep recession.

The goal with the national debt, like any loan, has to be that the amount of extra money you make from that borrowed principal has to exceed the interest due on the loan. So long as the loan is giving you more money than it is costing you it's a positive. Bush ran up the national debt more than every president before him combined... and wrecked the economy in the process. That's bad debt. We borrowed ridiculous amounts of money and got back less than we owed in interest (actually, we got back NEGATIVE returns). Obama on the other hand is taking out loans on much smarter investments... infrastructure and paychecks in people's hands. Those have historically ALWAYS paid high returns, and I'm betting they will again.

BTW, John... the governors refusing to accept stimulus funds that come with legislative strings attached COULD always change the laws BACK after the extra funds run out. Still a net positive in the meantime. They just don't want to risk the possibility that people will decide the changes were a good idea.


Posted By: CBDunkerson (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 06:34 AM

 
 
You guys can keep distracting everyone, but it doesn't make up the fact that the floudering jug-earred wonderboy is tanking and it's not even been 100 days.

Posted By: SteveC (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 07:19 AM

 
 
The article is called - How Both Parties Maneuvered Themselves Out Of Our Trust...and then 90% of the article slams Republicans, with a little token slam on Pelosi at the end.

Awesome job!


Posted By: Eric (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 07:19 AM

 
 
And Jake G is an idiot.

No, I won't ellaborate on this point. I'm going to let him sit back, look at what he posted, and attempt to logically conclude why his remark is so stupid. It's the only way they'll ever learn...


Posted By: Brad (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 09:06 AM

 
 
Am I the only one who sometimes reads "Judd Gregg" as "Judge Dredd"?

Posted By: MydniteSon (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 09:53 AM

 
 
I put you in camel clutch. I break your back and fuck you in the ass!

Posted By: Iron Sheik (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM

 
 
CBDunkerstien...here is the problem with your comment:

This doesn't mean that we should just borrow and spend ad infinitum, but the simple fact is that we can handle a short term increase in debt and NEED one to get out of this deep recession.

====> Unfortunately, there is nothing short term about this. Unfortunately, we ARE going to borrow and spend ad infinitum. There is no clear plan to EVER balance the budget in any given single year, let alone pay back the debt. Just check the latest CBO figures through 2019. And it will only get worse when the Social Security slush fund stops running surpluses around 2016.

We don't have a way to pay for all of this. Period. Taxing the rich doesn't raise enough money, and D.C. doesn't have the balls to cut any programs. We're screwed.


Posted By: Eric (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 10:39 AM

 
 
The one thing that is not really up for debate about keynesian economics is that governments should time their spending to be the inverse of that of the economy. Spend small when the economy is good and spend large when it is bad. This is simple logic as you get more bang for your buck and you reduce the impact of economic fluctuations on the public.

The debatable aspect is how much debt one should take on durring a recession (to spend govt money). This would not be a problem if George W. had done his part and had saved money for a rainy day (or at least paid of the debt), but instead he spent govt money durring times of economic growth.

So, Obama is spending lots of money. Is it good? Well, the same as you and me, it is not a bad thing if he gets good return on his investment. If he gets a public schooling system that is akin to those in other developed countries, if he raises the quality and availability of health care (again to bring the USA into the same status as other developed countries), if he fixes the crumbling infrastructure, etc... then it is ok to spend the money.

That is what the question about spending should focus on!


Posted By: Bob (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 10:45 AM

 
 
Eric, the CBO puts out estimates of future economic conditions every year... and every year they are wrong. Seriously. Their estimates include countless assumptions which never come to pass. Take any given report and you can be practically guaranteed that their estimates for the upcoming year will be significantly off and values for any year after that completely fictitious. 2019? They have no idea.

Yes, the various 'social welfare' programs (Medicare and Medicaid more than Social Security actually) are going to have some rapidly ballooning costs in the upcoming years... but that's precisely why Obama is insisting that it is so important to spend money NOW to revamp these programs (and healthcare in general) to hold down costs in the future.

To put it another way... if we DON'T do all the massive spending that Obama is calling for, if we continue to do NOTHING, >then< those upcoming costs will push the nation towards 'bankruptcy'. That's the situation which ALREADY EXISTS. Obama's goal is to spend money to fix the problems NOW so that when the rush comes it won't overwhelm us entirely... as it likely will if we do nothing.

The CBO basically took the costs of Obama's proposals and the upcoming costs from existing programs, added them together, and said... this is going to cost alot. In short, they assumed that enacting his plans would not produce any savings. A reasonable view given recent government history, but more than a bit premature as we haven't seen even the broad outlines of the healthcare and benefits overhauls yet.

Obama is looking beyond the current economic catastrophe to the next one... which is already clearly visible on the horizon for those who care to look. We can ignore it and have another (even worse) meltdown in ten years, or make changes now to prevent it.


Posted By: CBDunkerson (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 11:40 AM

 
 
I love this column.

The author has legitimate concerns with Obamocrats proposed budget and blames the Republicans for being too politically inept to oppose.

What about the folks that proposed the budget? Maybe they would be a little more to blame for its passage than the Republicans.

I don't blame you. It can't be easy defending the fiscal nightmare being enacted by the majority party.


Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 12:10 PM

 
 
I don't know how many of you missed the part where I said I don't know how the economy works. My point, therefore, wasn't that Gregg is right, but that if he is right it's a damn shame that his party has been so incredibly inept thus far that he won't be believed, and that that would ALSO mean IF it is true, which I DON'T know that it is, than we should be disappointed in the Democrats for not giving up their own politics in order to tell us the truth.

If you're bothered that I treated the Republicans worse than the Democrats it's because there is as yet no evidence that Obama's plan is failing.

This is ridiculous. You think this is some kind of game, where you just choose a side like its a sports team? This is just the La Lakers ESPN message board or something? Some of you really need to take a hard look at yourselves. I know you want Obama's plan to fail. But if you were someone who two weeks ago was gloating because the plan clearly wasn't working because the stock market hasn't gone up, and now you're still doing it but you've had to change what indicators you're using because the stock market has gone WAY up...Just today the dow went up 300 points...think real hard.

If Gregg is right it certainly is yet to appear. That doesn't mean he isn't. Don't come here to gloat till he does. And if I were you, I'd be glad that somebody was willing to point out that he might be, even though pretty much every Republican prediction for how the plan will effect the economy has so far been completely wrong. And if you're wondering? No one is buying the idea that Republicans know how to run the economy because they had eight years to run it into the ground. I know, blame it all on Dodd and Pelosi. That'll play real well at the Lodge meeting, but when you talk to anyone who's been paying attention it'll be a harder sell.

Obama could be dooming the economy. This could be a disaster. You could have a point. Be glad somebody on the other side is willing to admit it even though by rights you should have lost all your credibility by the shambles you left this country in. You should be ashamed to still be saying the same things you've been saying despite seeing their effects.

Put your noses back down, bow your heads, and start trying to make sense before you lose everybody. And shoot the messenger all you want but he has your seats in the senate for plenty of good reasons.


Posted By: Andrew Tobolowsky (Registered)  on March 23, 2009 at 02:15 PM

 
 
Congratulations Andrew. You allowed AdmChesterMynutz, who I rarely agree with, to make you look like a dope in short order. I've watched Meet the Press since I was 15 and I can't look anymore. The current spending is insane. If Obama would have constructed a bill just for the economy as Bob describes I could accept it. But he chose not to debate issues on their individual merits, instead forcing an all-or-nothing package. That's the exact opposite of what he campaigned on. His answer to everything is to throw obscene amounts of money at it. We need reform in how our tax dollars are spent, because right now Obama reminds me of Jack Nicholson's Joker throwing "free money" from a parade float and the poison gas is about to be let loose.

Posted By: Shockmaster (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 02:19 PM

 
 
Fair enough, CB...but can you tell me any programs that the government runs that are more cost-effective than private enterprise? How is current spending going to generate the kind of efficiencies that ultimately balance the budget?

Don't like the CBO? Fine...Obama's own projections (in a "best case" scenario) have the deficit cut in 1/2 by 2013...cut in 1/2 still means a deficit of over $500 billion.

Let's just face it. There is no plan in place to balance the budget (from EITHER party), let alone pay off the $15 trillion in debt that will exist at the end of Obama's first term. Tax increases won't cover it, and Congress doesn't have the balls to cut spending.

WE
ARE
HOSED


Posted By: Eric (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 02:29 PM

 
 
The Republicans want Obama to fail because, guess what, if he does managed to turn the economy around sometime in the next 8 years, the Republicans will not have a PRAYER at controlling Congress (and possibly the presidency) for the next 40 years.

I love how because Obama wants to raise the tax rate on the wealthiest Americans from 37% to 39% they are calling him a socialist. Meantime under Eisenhower (Who was a Republican) the tax rate was raised to somewhere above 50%.


Posted By: MydniteSon (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 02:55 PM

 
 
Kevin,

Why are you such a fucking baby?

Stop crying...I have not posted anything since last week...

I like "Twink" Tobolowsky...and I don't need to point out how biased he is- he's basically The Spook for the Liberal cause.

Let’s break down what has happened and you tell me why I should not speak out against it:

Obama pushed for a bailout and a stimulus. He said we need it “now”. A bill was written by Democrats behind closed doors to bailout companies like AIG.

Democrats (Dodd) inserted language stating that AIG and other companies can give bonuses.

Obama signed the bill, and those companies got money. They then gave out bonuses. The public gets pissed because it’s their money being used to give bonuses to people who really don’t deserve them.

Obama gets pissed- but the fact is he never read the bill, and he signed it.

The house kneejerks into passing another bill to tax 90% of these bonuses, ignoring the Constitution...that clearly states that the government can’t take a private citizens income without a legal reason (4th Amendment) - since no trial was held, and no due process afforded, this is an illegal reactiol, even it is passed up to Obama, won’t stand in court…this is all costing tax payers even more money.

Even if it goes to trial it will still be overturned because the Democrats had the bonus allowance in the bill that Obama signed.

Now, Obama is saying publically that it is unconstitutional, because he can’t stand the embarrassment when and if it goes to trial and is asking for the Senate’s version to change the wording. Obama knows this is all fucked up, he’s not stupid. Why do you think he’s speaking out against all of this.

But he signed the fucking bill in the first place! So what the fuck Kevin?

Stop defending this shit- it’s not about being liberal or conservative, it’s about upholding the law and holding leaders accountable. Hold people accountable and I’ll stop bitching at Liberals for being stupid.

But most of all stop waiting for me to make a statement- You know I will…and I will continue to do so until I feel that things are getting better- that’s my right, and I will exercise it all fucking day.

You big cry baby.


Posted By: The Spook (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 04:27 PM

 
 
I don't hope anyone fails, but then again I don't blame the seated or past governments for good economic times or bad economic times. The fact that the Republicans are about as successful as a Special Olympian would be in defining an agenda is not disputed.

Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 04:44 PM

 
 
You said it all Spook. Obama is Congress's Bitch. He doesn't have the executive stones to use the veto. Remember he was going to go through every piece of legislation line-by-line and eliminate programs and spending that didn't make sense, as long as Congress says its ok of course.

Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 04:52 PM

 
 
The Spook likes me!

To the extent that I do claim to know anything about the economy, I think the good Admiral is probably right. Not that it's no one's fault but that the economy is so complex it's pretty hard to think anyone could have guessed what anything would have done. What makes me mad about it is just that, as a COMPLETE dilettante, knowing nothing, I try to educate myself based on cause and effect. Whatever it was in the last eight years that caused this, it was something that happened in the last eight years. So it upsets me that people are saying the same things they WERE saying. Not because they're Republican ideals but because if X doesn't work try Y. That's not a partisan thing.

But Eric's probably right.


Posted By: Andrew Tobolowsky (Registered)  on March 23, 2009 at 04:53 PM

 
 
I am not sure about the point that "hypocritical not being the same thing as wrong." If the definition of hypocritical is saying you believe something that you don't really believe, then how can you give any credit to anything those people say. You would have to be a hypocrite yourself.

Posted By: Rich (Guest)  on March 23, 2009 at 05:39 PM

 
 
A fair point, Rich. What I'm saying is that it is hypocritical on a moral level to only care about debt when it's a democrat incurring it. As I say, Reagan and Bush II did horrible things to the debt.

But that is not the same thing as saying we shouldn't care about the debt. In that sense, just because it's selective caring, it doesn't make it wrong.


Posted By: Andrew Tobolowsky (Registered)  on March 23, 2009 at 08:11 PM

 
 
I am going to follow The Spook wherever he goes.

And I am going to harass him.

I tire of his endless conservative rhetoric. Ronald Reagan is rotting in his grave, and his policies along with it.

Call me names Spook, like you do the others. I don't care. I will follow you everywhere on this site.


Posted By: The Spook Killer (Guest)  on March 24, 2009 at 05:55 PM

 
 
Spook Killer,

Oh God- I am going to enjoy this.

Please stick around because I am looking forward to making fun of you and your mom...

Be afraid, bitch-tits- be afraid.


Posted By: The Spook (Guest)  on March 25, 2009 at 12:05 PM

 
 
That's right The Spook.

Do it.

Keep attacking me personally.

Lose even more credibility. After all, I'm sure people would love to see you get bitch slapped harder than you did by Andrew at the last Fact or Fiction.


Posted By: The Spook Killer (Guest)  on March 25, 2009 at 09:16 PM

 
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