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Um, all States have teacher's unions within them. Some are mandatory and some are voluntary.
Maybe some of you should have stayed in school longer.
You're just playing stupid semantics games now. All states have water but that doesn't make them oceans. All states have unions but that doesn't make them unionized.
Maybe you should have stayed in school longer if you need everything explained to you in the most basic, simplistic way possible.
If you really want to get into a discussion of the education system down here, it's not going to turn out well for you, since you have zero knowledge of experience of it.
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Lyle your stalking me followed by rambling nonsense is getting annoying. Good job troll.
D-man all States have unions it is just that some, like your own, are right to work States where it is not mandatory.
In your States case the legislature pays teachers just like a Union with across the board pay increases. So there is little to no difference.
A recent article for North Carolina.
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RALEIGH -- An average North Carolina public school teacher draws more than $59,000 in annual compensation -- $4,000 more than an average peer across the country. That's the conclusion of the John Locke Foundation's latest annual report on teacher pay.
"Adjusted for pension contributions, teacher experience, and cost of living, North Carolina's adjusted annual teacher compensation is $59,252, high enough for North Carolina to rank No. 14 in the United States," said report author Terry Stoops, JLF Education Policy Analyst. "That's $4,086 higher than the U.S. adjusted average and $674 higher than the average of states ranked by the Southern Regional Education Board. These numbers refute the cliche that North Carolina has underpaid schoolteachers who are victims of miserly, unappreciative, and ignorant taxpayers."
Teachers have fared far better than other government employees in recent decades, Stoops said. "North Carolina's average teacher pay nearly doubled between 1988 and 2008 -- climbing by 93 percent," he said. "On the other hand, state employees had pay increases totaling nearly 56 percent."
The report recommends that North Carolina leaders shift their focus away from across-the-board teacher pay raises. "Despite multimillion-dollar increases in teacher pay, it has become clear that across-the-board raises unrelated to performance serve to reward both good teachers and mediocre ones, thus doing little to help students learn," Stoops said. "A recent study from the University of Arkansas points to merit pay for teachers as one education reform that shows promise for raising student achievement."
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Lyle your stalking me followed by rambling nonsense is getting annoying. Good job troll.
D-man all States have unions it is just that some, like your own, are right to work States where it is not mandatory.
In your States case the legislature pays teachers just like a Union with across the board pay increases. So there is little to no difference.
A recent article for North Carolina.
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RALEIGH -- An average North Carolina public school teacher draws more than $59,000 in annual compensation -- $4,000 more than an average peer across the country. That's the conclusion of the John Locke Foundation's latest annual report on teacher pay.
"Adjusted for pension contributions, teacher experience, and cost of living, North Carolina's adjusted annual teacher compensation is $59,252, high enough for North Carolina to rank No. 14 in the United States," said report author Terry Stoops, JLF Education Policy Analyst. "That's $4,086 higher than the U.S. adjusted average and $674 higher than the average of states ranked by the Southern Regional Education Board. These numbers refute the cliche that North Carolina has underpaid schoolteachers who are victims of miserly, unappreciative, and ignorant taxpayers."
Teachers have fared far better than other government employees in recent decades, Stoops said. "North Carolina's average teacher pay nearly doubled between 1988 and 2008 -- climbing by 93 percent," he said. "On the other hand, state employees had pay increases totaling nearly 56 percent."
The report recommends that North Carolina leaders shift their focus away from across-the-board teacher pay raises. "Despite multimillion-dollar increases in teacher pay, it has become clear that across-the-board raises unrelated to performance serve to reward both good teachers and mediocre ones, thus doing little to help students learn," Stoops said. "A recent study from the University of Arkansas points to merit pay for teachers as one education reform that shows promise for raising student achievement."
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Hated the speech, it was littered with glaring generalities and no real plans on how to do anything. Just more hope and change rhetoric for the lowest common denominator to get all excited about.
The parts where he actually outlined plans made me cringe.
The education part was a slap in the face. He was basically saying "Did you bust your ass in high school to get all A's, and then bust your ass to barely be able to pay for an education at a state school? Too bad, because now we're going to make it so that everyone gets what you had to work for!"
As if we need more college graduates right now. The ones we have can't find jobs. Meanwhile, trade jobs are still looking for work because parents force their kids into college when they would be more successful both economically and emotionally at a trade school. It's disgusting.
I also LOVED how he bragged about passing a stimulus package with no ear marks. Apparently he didn't read the package either.
Finally, he basically told the country that we would be switching to socialized health care. I don't trust the government to fix a pothole, why would I trust them to fix my heart.
On the plus side, I did enjoy his plan for getting the troops out of Iraq, including the war spending in the budget, and help for the auto manufacturers. So on the whole it wasn't a horrible plan.
I thought the Republican response laid out exactly what this country needs. Unfortunately, I wasn't impressed with the way the message was delivered. Something about Jindal's cadence just rubbed me the wrong way.
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What did the Republicans say? All I remember is Kenneth the Page coming out and saying "Americans can do anything!"
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we're going to make it so that everyone gets what you had to work for!"
Boo fuckin' hoo. I'm actually very surprised to see this type of selfishness from you, Pingu. Your point about a glut of useless college degrees is perfectly cromulent, but this particular statement shows a disconcerting lack of concern for the next generation(of which your future children will be a part).
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Typical conservative apathy and lack of foresight.
When its a war we are talking about, we are all suppose to function as one team, suppress criticism and dissent, support the war to support the troops and all that jazz. But when it comes to anything else, its every man for himself.
Its a big country and sometimes we need the government to follow suit. Obama hasn't done anything that he didn't foreshadow during his campaign and he won in a major electoral ass kicking. We WANT a little bit of socialism right now (if thats what people want to call it, I'm sick of arguing on that).
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Boo fuckin' hoo. I'm actually very surprised to see this type of selfishness from you, Pingu.
What's selfish about expecting a student to get into college based only upon his own merits rather than a government handout?
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but this particular statement shows a disconcerting lack of concern for the next generation(of which your future children will be a part).
That would only be the case if college were a requirement for be a successful member of society. It's not.
I would rather my children go to college (if they go) based upon their own hard work and the fact that college is a place they need and deserve to be. Not because of this global lie that college is somehow a requirement for being a functioning member of society, and a handout.
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When its a war we are talking about, we are all suppose to function as one team, suppress criticism and dissent, support the war to support the troops and all that jazz
When have I EVER in any forum we have posted on, said anything that would ever imply I was for the suppression of criticism and dissent?
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We WANT a little bit of socialism right now (if thats what people want to call it, I'm sick of arguing on that).
YOU want socialism. And that's fine, you are getting what you voted for.
And I agree that Obama won the election, but if you expect me to buy this pretty package that his supporters were all aware of his platforms when they cast a vote for him you have another thing coming.
There are educated, informed democrats such as yourself who voted based upon platforms. That's perfectly acceptable and I support your right to do that.
Then there are people who voted for him because he's a black guy talking about change. I refuse to state that they speak for the will of the country.
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What's selfish about expecting a student to get into college based only upon his own merits rather than a government handout?
Probably because it's not realistic that kids who want to get into college can do so solely on their own merits. Seriously, this is Nem-level crap here.
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That would only be the case if college were a requirement for be a successful member of society. It's not.
It's not a requirement, but it's indisputable that it goes a long fucking ways towards getting you where you want to be.
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I would rather my children go to college (if they go) based upon their own hard work and the fact that college is a place they need and deserve to be.
Really? So the only kids that deserve to go are the ones who have the money or went to a good high school that will get them there easier. Conservatism in action, folks.
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And I agree that Obama won the election, but if you expect me to buy this pretty package that his supporters were all aware of his platforms when they cast a vote for him you have another thing coming.
They knew damn well what they were getting. He never lied about the changes he wanted to make to health care and education.
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Probably because it's not realistic that kids who want to get into college can do so solely on their own merits. Seriously, this is Nem-level crap here.
It's not crap at all. Our government is not in the business of guaranteeing a college education to all citizens. If someone can't get into college, they don't deserve to be there, plain and simple.
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Really? So the only kids that deserve to go are the ones who have the money or went to a good high school that will get them there easier. Conservatism in action, folks.
That's not what I said at all. Again, not all people deserve to go to college. If you want to go you can find a way. I came from a completely shit high school and my parents were the very definition of lower middle class. Ask around, I am white trash.
I busted my ass in high school to get a full ride to a community college, where I busted my ass to get a scholarship to a small state university. There, I continued to bust my ass to get into the graduate school where I worked on the campus to have part of my tuition covered.
And you want to talk about conservatism in action? Let's talk about liberalism in action. Rather than taking steps to fix these schools that are ill preparing our students, you'd rather just give the kids a free handout to college. How does that help anything? All that leads to is a bunch of dumbasses in class rooms that don't deserve to be there.
It's VERY possible to earn your way into a college, and trust me, when you actually work for it, you end up doing better. It's not a right its a privilege.
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Mervyn
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In the US is education a state responsibility or a federal one ?
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Penguin
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In the US is education a state responsibility or a federal one ?
All three levels of government (federal, state, local) take responsibility for education.
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there's your problem.
education should be governed by the church.
(you think i'm kidding, but i'm not.)
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Thanks for that Info Penguin.
To be fair Penguin he does say
" I know that the price of tuition is higher than ever, which is why if you are willing to volunteer in your neighborhood or give back to your community or serve your country, we will make sure that you can afford a higher education "
So it sounds like you have to work for this money for the tuition . . the kicker being how much you will get.. will it be equal too or less than you would have gotten for a p/t job ? (something many students do)
Also
"In this budget, we will end education programs that don't work . . . "
That is something to be wary of, as how do you specify what programs work and what ones don't ?
He does say dropping out of high school is not an option, but there is nothing in his speech about what he plans to do to prevent dropouts.
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RawManiac
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Thanks for that Info Penguin.
To be fair Penguin he does say
" I know that the price of tuition is higher than ever, which is why if you are willing to volunteer in your neighborhood or give back to your community or serve your country, we will make sure that you can afford a higher education "
So it sounds like you have to work for this money for the tuition . . the kicker being how much you will get.. will it be equal too or less than you would have gotten for a p/t job ? (something many students do)
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"In this budget, we will end education programs that don't work . . . "
That is something to be wary of, as how do you specify what programs work and what ones don't ?
He does say dropping out of high school is not an option, but there is nothing in his speech about what he plans to do to prevent dropouts.
I thought he said that everyone who drops out gets shot in the head?
Am I the only one who caught that?
PS: I gotta say that the Political forum is my favorite forum, not for the facts or news, but the arguments that everyone has with... well basically Nemesis. I know shit about politics, but you guys do, so I like reading the back and forth action. It actually gets me interested into whats going on in the world. I would like Nem much less if he liked Obama.
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It's not crap at all. Our government is not in the business of guaranteeing a college education to all citizens. If someone can't get into college, they don't deserve to be there, plain and simple.
There are a lot of people who can't get into college because it's simply not affordable. And I'm not sure what country you're living in, but our government has never been in the business of guaranteeing a college education. Of course, if it would, we'd probably be more competitive with other countries, but that would be a waste of time.
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That's not what I said at all. Again, not all people deserve to go to college.
Any person that wants to obtain higher education deserves to go.
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Rather than taking steps to fix these schools that are ill preparing our students, you'd rather just give the kids a free handout to college. How does that help anything? All that leads to is a bunch of dumbasses in class rooms that don't deserve to be there.
Good point, the reason schools across America suck is because some liberal came in there and decided instead of setting a good curriculum they would give "handouts" to dumbasses. The reality (and it is a reality) is that the government gives "handouts" to a very small group of people in the form of grants and the rest is given out in loans with reasonable interest rates.
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It's VERY possible to earn your way into a college, and trust me, when you actually work for it, you end up doing better. It's not a right its a privilege.
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Let's talk about liberalism in action.
You've done a masterful job of picking up the Republican posturing of blaming liberals and claiming that college is a privilege. If nothing else, there's probably a spot for you somewhere in the party of losers because that's the sort of rhetoric they love.
And I feel bad now knowing that since I took loans from the government, I'm a leech.
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Lyle your stalking me followed by rambling nonsense is getting annoying. Good job troll.
D-man all States have unions it is just that some, like your own, are right to work States where it is not mandatory.
In your States case the legislature pays teachers just like a Union with across the board pay increases. So there is little to no difference.
A recent article for North Carolina.
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RALEIGH -- An average North Carolina public school teacher draws more than $59,000 in annual compensation -- $4,000 more than an average peer across the country. That's the conclusion of the John Locke Foundation's latest annual report on teacher pay.
"Adjusted for pension contributions, teacher experience, and cost of living, North Carolina's adjusted annual teacher compensation is $59,252, high enough for North Carolina to rank No. 14 in the United States," said report author Terry Stoops, JLF Education Policy Analyst. "That's $4,086 higher than the U.S. adjusted average and $674 higher than the average of states ranked by the Southern Regional Education Board. These numbers refute the cliche that North Carolina has underpaid schoolteachers who are victims of miserly, unappreciative, and ignorant taxpayers."
Teachers have fared far better than other government employees in recent decades, Stoops said. "North Carolina's average teacher pay nearly doubled between 1988 and 2008 -- climbing by 93 percent," he said. "On the other hand, state employees had pay increases totaling nearly 56 percent."
The report recommends that North Carolina leaders shift their focus away from across-the-board teacher pay raises. "Despite multimillion-dollar increases in teacher pay, it has become clear that across-the-board raises unrelated to performance serve to reward both good teachers and mediocre ones, thus doing little to help students learn," Stoops said. "A recent study from the University of Arkansas points to merit pay for teachers as one education reform that shows promise for raising student achievement."
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Lance Canada
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I'm still curious as to how pointing out the fact that the state pays teachers on a scale does anything to help or hinder anyone's argument about the existence or effectiveness of teachers unions in the southeast, unless we're making the ridiculous assumption that the only job of teachers unions (who allegedly don't care about teachers) is to get better pay for teachers.
I think maybe "/pointless distraction" might've been a better end to that post.
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CanDman
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" I know that the price of tuition is higher than ever, which is why if you are willing to volunteer in your neighborhood or give back to your community or serve your country, we will make sure that you can afford a higher education "
So it sounds like you have to work for this money for the tuition . . the kicker being how much you will get.. will it be equal too or less than you would have gotten for a p/t job ? (something many students do)
I heard him mention in the 3rd debate against McCain, the whole idea is that those who want to go to college or already in college if they do volunteer work or some type of community service which I think is 100 hours, they'll get an refundable tax free credit of $4000.
So it's not some free handout it's for those who want to go to school and can't afford it. Like me really, I'm in school now but next semester I may not even get financial aid because my Mom got a pay raise, the goo news is that I may only need to take 7 credit hours which is only 3 classes and they wouldn't give me financial aid for that anyway. Worst case scenario is that I have to apply for an additional student loan and that's if I'm even allowed.
I know some people would love go to college have the grades to go but can't really afford it. %4,000 is enough to pay tuition for an community college. College should be an option for everyone who's looking to get an higher education.
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Even the so called "handouts" for college that have in the form of pell grants don't offer very much and you have to be dirt poor to even get that.
I still ended up borrowing a lot in student loans and the government is making a profit off of me for their trouble.
This whole "handouts for college" thing is something that simply doesn't exist (even though I think it should).
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100 hours for 4 grand is kind of a joke, IMO. I don't know the details, but compare it to Americorps where you get about 15 grand or so (5 as an education award, 10 for living expenses throughout the year) for 1700 hours and you can see why one might feel that way.
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" I know that the price of tuition is higher than ever, which is why if you are willing to volunteer in your neighborhood or give back to your community or serve your country, we will make sure that you can afford a higher education "
So it sounds like you have to work for this money for the tuition . . the kicker being how much you will get.. will it be equal too or less than you would have gotten for a p/t job ? (something many students do)
I heard him mention in the 3rd debate against McCain, the whole idea is that those who want to go to college or already in college if they do volunteer work or some type of community service which I think is 100 hours, they'll get an refundable tax free credit of $4000.
So it's not some free handout it's for those who want to go to school and can't afford it. Like me really, I'm in school now but next semester I may not even get financial aid because my Mom got a pay raise, the goo news is that I may only need to take 7 credit hours which is only 3 classes and they wouldn't give me financial aid for that anyway. Worst case scenario is that I have to apply for an additional student loan and that's if I'm even allowed.
I know some people would love go to college have the grades to go but can't really afford it. %4,000 is enough to pay tuition for an community college. College should be an option for everyone who's looking to get an higher education.
Here's a problem though... will any college wait for you to complete those 100 hours before asking for their money ?
Is the money paid out after the 100 hours ? or in april when taxes are completed . . .
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My refund checks from the school usually come out to be 1000 bucks on average. The most I've ever gotten was 1500 by itself and that was after I canceled my student insurance to get the extra 300 bucks that came with that.
My school raises tuition every year so the amount I get back becomes smaller and smaller each time. It's not like we're a rich family either, my parents aren't making 6/7 figures a year.
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Create the American Opportunity Tax Credit: Obama and Biden will make college affordable for all Americans by creating a new American Opportunity Tax Credit. This universal and fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans, and will cover two-thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college or university and make community college tuition completely free for most students. Recipients of the credit will be required to conduct 100 hours of community service.
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On another note Obama said something very stupid in his address which is that America invented the automobile.
If this had been Bush the "DUMB APE, STUPID HICK" comments in here would be all over and the press would cover it for a week.
Obama says something retarded and he gets the pass.
Makes me want to pass gas.
Good luck getting lazy, obese, couch potato kids to work for college money from Big Gubment Inc.
They want the free cheese Obama.
They are entitled.
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If this had been Bush the "DUMB APE, STUPID HICK" comments in here would be all over and the press would cover it for a week.
Wrong.
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Where have you been the last eight years?
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Reality. And yourself?
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"Death is but crossing the world, as friends do the seas; they live in one another still. For they must needs be present, that love and live in that which is omnipresent. In this divine glass they see face to face, and their converse is free, as well as pure. This is the comfort of friends; that though they may be said to die, yet their friendship and society are, in the best sense, ever present, because immortal." - William Penn
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MSNBC and the AP both covered Obama's car gaffe yesterday, so I don't see what your problem is.
The issue with Bush was not only was he a gaffe machine, but he constantly came across and an uneducated, dumb fucking hick with no clue. Thats not Obama's fault.
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Oh and Bush was a murderous war-monger. You know, condoning of torture and rendition, stuff like that. Moron.
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By covered do you mean they smirked and made snide comments or they mentioned it while making excuses for him?
There is a difference.
I can't see MSNBC doing anything but covering for their Messiah.
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Namecalling, an American political tradition Nem is proud to uphold.
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Namecalling, an American political tradition Nem is proud to uphold.
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Namecalling, an American political tradition Nem is proud to uphold.
You mean like calling people moron?
did I call anyone a moron? I made a general statement with the word.
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Hulkster: DON'T JUST STARE AT IT, EAT IT BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Credit to Shane
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