Quote: Eight sendings off in eight games, absolutely mental stuff. Chuffed for Pompey too.
Are pompey a club that seemingly everyone (other than saints fans) have some affection for? I really want them to get out of this mess. It's a long term thing for me too and not just becasue they've been playing better football than their results have deserved.
In fact now that 'Arry has gone the only thing I dislike about them is that cunt with the bell.
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Eh, it's just the old British passion for the underdog kicking in, I suppose. It's hard not to feel sympathy for a team who've had practically all of their stars jump ship as well as all the financial troubles, yet have a core of supporters who turn up week after week and make noise regardless of the results. No matter how much of the blame for the clubs' problems can be handed out internally, their fans deserve better.
And I guess despite not being a fan of Hart for royally buggering up my own club, he does come across as a genuinely pleasant guy who's badly out of his depth, and someone who I'd like to see succeed to some level with the club.
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Man, Zamora was brilliant yesterday. Right at the center of every Fulham attack and even finished a clear-cut chance(!). Liverpool are doomed. No side with Andriy Voronin in their starting line-up is going to challenge for the title. Terrible player.
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no because Sir Jeff also told me that very same thing on sky sports news and he never lies.. sounds a cracking game too at 3-3.
the mrs very happy after villa beat bolton 5-1 too.
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But really, I don't think the problem is with the defence itself, more the fact that everyone else is bombing forward, making them vulnerable on the counter-attack.
HUGE game today. Even though it's at the Bridge I'm strangely optimistic for a United win, although I fear Fergie will be more than satisfied with a point. It's a "must not lose" game rather than a "must win."
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1. How the hell have fergie and rooney got away with what they did last sunday. Im starting to get annoyed with fergie blaming the referee everytime man utd lose. Over a season a big 4 manager will find far more decisions going for his team than against. As for rooney I cant believe how lenient referees and the fa are with him in general. He seems to be allowed to get away with a bit more because he is "passionate" and it is "part of his game". Players cant be allowed to get away with saying the other side had 12 men. I suspect less popular media players such as diouf or adebayor wouldnt be shown the same leniency.
As for ngog, I agree what he did was wrong and the sooner the rules are changed to allow retrospective bands the better. However when I hear fans from the likes of man utd, chelsea and arsenal getting on their high horse about it, it does seem a little hypocritical.
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1. How the hell have fergie and rooney got away with what they did last sunday. Im starting to get annoyed with fergie blaming the referee everytime man utd lose. Over a season a big 4 manager will find far more decisions going for his team than against. As for rooney I cant believe how lenient referees and the fa are with him in general. He seems to be allowed to get away with a bit more because he is "passionate" and it is "part of his game". Players cant be allowed to get away with saying the other side had 12 men. I suspect less popular media players such as diouf or adebayor wouldnt be shown the same leniency.
As for ngog, I agree what he did was wrong and the sooner the rules are changed to allow retrospective bands the better. However when I hear fans from the likes of man utd, chelsea and arsenal getting on their high horse about it, it does seem a little hypocritical.
Fergie got away with it because he said "the players feel they can't rely on the ref as they are losing faith"
He didnt directly come out and criticise the ref even though the ref was piss poor.
As for Rooney, he is def lucky to get away with it. Also, in saying that, the ref's performance should be looked at as he had a very poor game. Missing the Valencia pen, giving the fletcher foul, the drogba foul on Brown as well as being offside, those were 4 big decisions that went against Utd in the same game
As for the N'gog thing, he should be banned and i wish there was something in the rules where pens could be retrospectively taken away and thus the goal from them taken away. It would be a dangerous rule but if replays show the pen was won with a dive the pen and resulting goal should be taken away since it was won by cheating. It could be somehting similar to if an unregistered player plays and the club are hit with a points slash
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Quote: As for the N'gog thing, he should be banned and i wish there was something in the rules where pens could be retrospectively taken away and thus the goal from them taken away.
That would be so, so stupid.
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Quote: As for the N'gog thing, he should be banned and i wish there was something in the rules where pens could be retrospectively taken away and thus the goal from them taken away.
That would be so, so stupid.
But Man United would lose about 20 points a season.
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Quote: As for the N'gog thing, he should be banned and i wish there was something in the rules where pens could be retrospectively taken away and thus the goal from them taken away.
That would be so, so stupid.
But Man United would lose about 20 points a season.
don't think we won 20 points by diving, might have been 15.
banning a player for diving and taking a goal away that was won by cheating is an extreme punishment. but something that extreme is necessary to stamp it out. Not saying its the best solution but something that extreme should be considered
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Quote: As for the N'gog thing, he should be banned and i wish there was something in the rules where pens could be retrospectively taken away and thus the goal from them taken away.
That would be so, so stupid.
But Man United would lose about 20 points a season.
don't think we won 20 points by diving, might have been 15.
banning a player for diving and taking a goal away that was won by cheating is an extreme punishment. but something that extreme is necessary to stamp it out. Not saying its the best solution but something that extreme should be considered
Okay, but it's still ridiculous to go back and pluck out a goal as if the incident happens in a vacuum. If a team wins a penalty with a dive and goes up 1-0 in a close game, they might close up shop and not go for any more goals. Or, the other team might push forward, resulting in two or three more off the counter attack. Why would punish the team in the first case but not in the second?
It's a stupid idea. There's no way to consistently apply it and it would just turn into arbitrary tampering. Diving is a problem in football, but not so big it justifies turning the game completely inside out.
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Quote: As for the N'gog thing, he should be banned and i wish there was something in the rules where pens could be retrospectively taken away and thus the goal from them taken away.
That would be so, so stupid.
But Man United would lose about 20 points a season.
don't think we won 20 points by diving, might have been 15.
banning a player for diving and taking a goal away that was won by cheating is an extreme punishment. but something that extreme is necessary to stamp it out. Not saying its the best solution but something that extreme should be considered
Okay, but it's still ridiculous to go back and pluck out a goal as if the incident happens in a vacuum. If a team wins a penalty with a dive and goes up 1-0 in a close game, they might close up shop and not go for any more goals. Or, the other team might push forward, resulting in two or three more off the counter attack. Why would punish the team in the first case but not in the second?
It's a stupid idea. There's no way to consistently apply it and it would just turn into arbitrary tampering. Diving is a problem in football, but not so big it justifies turning the game completely inside out.
i said its not the best idea, im saying they need something as extreme to stamp it out.
Clubs where it happens alot should get fined, just like the whole fair play thing where the worse offending clubs get a fine if thye hit a certain cards tally. Players should get banned for 2 games and if a ref sees it happen in a game and is sure it was a dive give out a red card.
i understand that taking goals away and changing results would be practically impossible, but im saying something as extreme would be good.
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Quote: i said its not the best idea, im saying they need something as extreme to stamp it out.
I disagree.
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Quote: i said its not the best idea, im saying they need something as extreme to stamp it out.
They had the right idea with Eduardo, before FIFA bottled it.
But sorry, your idea is pretty ridiculous. What happens if a player dives to win a penalty, and the keeper tips it wide, but the team scores from the resulting corner?
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Honestly, I think the whole problem is blown way out of proportion. If they're serious about stamping out diving, the various football associations should implement instant replay like what we have in American football. If not that, then let's just admit that no system is perfect and leave it alone.
Diving is a problem but I get awfully sick of people talking about how it "ruins the sport." It doesn't, plain and simple. Overzealous legalistic reactions to it like Taareq's idea probably would though. The way things are, it all evens out sooner or later. For example, how hard do you think Eduardo's going to have to get fouled for the rest of this season for the official to give a penalty? That's for a solitary goal he stole from Celtic in a 5-1 aggregate win. I think that ultimately, players are either going to realize that it's really not worth the stigma, or they'll put up with the consequences. Enough of this litigious nonsense.
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Quote: The way things are, it all evens out sooner or later.
I agree with your entire statement, with the exception of the above sentence. If a dive costs a country the World Cup Final, say, I don't think it would be 'evened out'.
To say that diving is ruining the game is a somewhat of an exagguration, especially since it's been going on for longer than most people are aware (the Leeds side of the late 60's/early 70's were notorious for it, for example), but that doesn't mean it isn't a legitimate concern.
For example, I was watching an Under 18 game recently featuring a Baltic international side (I'm going to say Serbia), whose proximity for one of their players to drop to ground whenever the opposition had any kind of an advantage to get play stopped rendered the game entirely unwatchable. There's no easy way to solve a problem that's ingrained in the culture of the sport, but I feel that the governing bodies making a couple of scapegoats here and there to at least attempt to do something about it is better than the alternative.
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Quote: I agree with your entire statement, with the exception of the above sentence. If a dive costs a country the World Cup Final, say, I don't think it would be 'evened out'.
That's true, but if a referee awards a decisive penalty on a dive in the World Cup final, should the game be replayed? What happens if the referee just gets the decision wrong without any cheating from the player in question? Like I said, short of instant replays in these kinds of cases, I think we just need to accept that the referee has a hard job and sometimes he'll get these calls wrong.
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Quote: I agree with your entire statement, with the exception of the above sentence. If a dive costs a country the World Cup Final, say, I don't think it would be 'evened out'.
That's true, but if a referee awards a decisive penalty on a dive in the World Cup final, should the game be replayed? What happens if the referee just gets the decision wrong without any cheating from the player in question? Like I said, short of instant replays in these kinds of cases, I think we just need to accept that the referee has a hard job and sometimes he'll get these calls wrong.
Oh yeah, I can totally accept that bad calls will be made, and I'm in complete agreement with the general point you're making, it's just I've always found the justification that "it'll all even out over the course of a season" line to be both a fallacy and a copout.
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Quote: I agree with your entire statement, with the exception of the above sentence. If a dive costs a country the World Cup Final, say, I don't think it would be 'evened out'.
That's true, but if a referee awards a decisive penalty on a dive in the World Cup final, should the game be replayed? What happens if the referee just gets the decision wrong without any cheating from the player in question? Like I said, short of instant replays in these kinds of cases, I think we just need to accept that the referee has a hard job and sometimes he'll get these calls wrong.
Oh yeah, I can totally accept that bad calls will be made, and I'm in complete agreement with the general point you're making, it's just I've always found the justification that "it'll all even out over the course of a season" line to be both a fallacy and a copout.
I mean, it certainly doesn't make it right, but remember how hard it was for Ronaldo to earn a penalty for his last two or three seasons in the Prem? Ultimately diving isn't in the player's best interest, because even if they get, you know, the equalizer against Birmingham, if you gain a reputation as a diver you're going to have a harder time with the officials for the rest of your career, in some cases.
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Quote: I agree with your entire statement, with the exception of the above sentence. If a dive costs a country the World Cup Final, say, I don't think it would be 'evened out'.
That's true, but if a referee awards a decisive penalty on a dive in the World Cup final, should the game be replayed? What happens if the referee just gets the decision wrong without any cheating from the player in question? Like I said, short of instant replays in these kinds of cases, I think we just need to accept that the referee has a hard job and sometimes he'll get these calls wrong.
Oh yeah, I can totally accept that bad calls will be made, and I'm in complete agreement with the general point you're making, it's just I've always found the justification that "it'll all even out over the course of a season" line to be both a fallacy and a copout.
I mean, it certainly doesn't make it right, but remember how hard it was for Ronaldo to earn a penalty for his last two or three seasons in the Prem? Ultimately diving isn't in the player's best interest, because even if they get, you know, the equalizer against Birmingham, if you gain a reputation as a diver you're going to have a harder time with the officials for the rest of your career, in some cases.
it hasn't affected Gerrard's career much. he still gets a few decisions when he wants them.
Again, im not saying implement the taking the goal away thing, im saying sometihng as extreme as that would be good. Banning and giving out fines would be a good way to do it, but with the way UEFA bottled the Eduardo situation i can't see them doing anything about it.
Instant replay should be a factor. they now have a 5th official along with the 4th official just standing by the touchline, why not make one of those sit and watch the game on a monitor and in situations where there is a contentious decision the ref can get help without causing a delay in the game
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Yeah, I like the idea of use of instant replays. The only reason against it is FIFA don't want technology used at the top level that isn't available at all other levels. With the amount of money at stake at the top level it's a bloody stupid reason though.
And as chief 'top four conspiracy whinging fucker' the even itself out over the season argument is just not true. The fact that United haven't been getting a few decisions recently is payback for the years of pressure Ferguson and his team have put on refs. (Now lets see the next little team they play get the better of the reffing)
It's the right line of thinking though. If it can't be used in all FIFA Sanctioned leagues and competitions then it shouldn't be used seeing as FIFA is a co-op of sorts. Sure, they have the money, but all but 3 or 4 leagues in the entirety of CONCACAF can afford that kind of technology.
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Quote: Arsenal striker Robin Van Persie is set to try an unorthodox method of treatment in a desperate bid to speed up his recovery from an ankle injury.
The Dutchman will have placenta rubbed into the damaged area by a Serbian housewife who successfully healed a former Feyenoord team-mate Danzo Lazovic.
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Kieran Gibbs' world cup dream may be over. Metatarsal injury.
Still, with our string of identikit left backs this is one position where we actually do have strength in depth. Armond Traore, your time is now.
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