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411 Fact or Fiction 03.26.09: Shelton Benjamin as Mr. MITB, Sting vs. Foley, the 500th Smackdown, More!
Posted by Larry Csonka on 03.26.2009





  • Welcome back to another week of 411 Fact or Fiction: Wrestling Edition! This week we have TWO men stepping up to the challenge as 411 Writer Aaron Hubbard joins 411 reader and TWO TIME Fact or Fiction veteran Bryan Carpenter in the 411 Arena to do battle in this week's edition of Fact or Fiction!

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    1. Vince McMahon was reportedly not happy with Jack Swagger's last PPV performance and is considering not having the ECW title defended at Wrestlemania due to this. You agree with Vince McMahon.

    Aaron Hubbard: FICTION. And a big fiction at that. Jack Swagger is the cream of the crop of WWE's young talent, and deserves his spot on the Wrestlemania Card. So the kid had an off night at No Way Out. Big deal. Everyone has an off night. Sometimes you have to let them sink or swim. The ECW Title is the third biggest title in the company, and it SHOULD be defended at the biggest show of the year. The most likely opponent is Evan Bourne, and a Bourne vs. Swagger match will be a great showcase of the future of the company.

    Bryan Carpenter: FICTION. I'm still not sure why McMahon-agement chose to debut Christian on ECW just five days before No Way Out instead of at the pay-per-view itself. Imagine if Teddy Long would have added Christian to the Finlay vs. Jack Swagger ECW Championship match at NWO as a last minute treat for the rabid Seattle fans in attendance. Finlay would still be there to eat the pin from Swagger, which could easily set up Christian vs. Swagger for Wrestlemania 25. But now both Christian and Finlay are set to participate in this year's Money in the Bank ladder match, and with Wrestlemania just a few weeks away, "The All-American American" doesn't seem to have a viable challenger anywhere in sight.

    Jack Swagger has been making the best out of his first run as ECW Champion, but if he is denied a chance to shine on "The Grandest Stage of Them All," all of this time spent establishing Swagger as one of the company's biggest up-and-coming "entertainers" will be for nothing. The WWE should use these few remaining weeks before Wrestlemania to come up with a number one contender for Swagger's title -- the returning Evan Bourne immediately comes to mind as one of the most over guys on the ECW roster in line for a shot at the strap. Mr. McMahon has already put a great deal of faith in Jack Swagger, so why not give him at least ten minutes at Wrestlemania to further prove himself worthy of the ECW Championship?


    1 for 1


    2. While a Sting vs. Mick Foley match has name value, both men are too broken down to deliver the goods in 2009.

    Aaron Hubbard: FACT. I love Sting, and I love Mick Foley. When Sting is motivated and with the right opponent, he can have a good match. Ditto with Mick Foley. However, I do not think these two will have a good chemistry. Another thing hurting the match is that it happening at Lockdown. Foley is a brawler and does best when he has an entire arena and a bunch of toys to use. Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong, but my gut says the match will be a disappointment for most. Of course, if our expectations are lower, our enjoyment of the match is likely to be higher.

    Bryan Carpenter: FACT. After successfully defending the TNA World Championship against Kurt Angle at Destination X, Sting's reign as the company's top man continues on, and if The Stinger can manage to slip by the Olympic Gold Medallist with his belt still intact, I can't see Mick Foley standing as much of a challenge for the champ. Even though Foley and Sting *might* surprise us all with a decent brawl for the TNA Championship at Lockdown, I think it's pretty safe to assume that any attempt to duplicate an encounter like the one these men gave to us back at Beach Blast '92 will be sorely miscalculated.

    2 for 2


    3. With MVP winning the US title on the 500th episode of Smackdown, Shelton Benjamin now becomes a frontrunner to win the MITB match at Wrestlemania.

    Aaron Hubbard: FACT. Well, let's eliminate the obvious ones. CM Punk won't win again, I don't think Henry will even be able to climb the ladder, and Finlay is sadly a mid-card comedy act, so those three are out. MVP still has an outside chance of winning, but it is not likely. Kane might win, but that doesn't seem to fit his character. So we are down to Kofi Kingston, Christian, and Benjamin. Kofi has a good shot if WWE is REALLY behind him, but I don't think he's ready to be there yet. Christian would fit the role, but I don't think he needs it to be considered a main event threat. Benjamin, on the other hand, is a talanted worker that has been having great matches for the last year, is over as a cocky heel, but just needs a little extra "something" to push him over the top. In my opinion, this year's Money in the Bank will be all about the Benjamins. Ain't no stoppin' him now.

    Bryan Carpenter: FACT. A frontrunner, but not quite thee frontrunner. Christian seems to be nearly everyone's pick to win this year's Money in the Bank, and with good reason. The self-proclaimed "Instant Classic" made his debut on ECW last month and has since had several entertaining bouts against ECW Champion Jack Swagger. Even though another match between Christian and Swagger seemed like a perfect fit for this year's Wrestlemania, Christian instead went on to win spot in MITB. Shelton Benjamin, on the other hand, has proven himself year after year as being one of the most entertaining MITB competitors, often taking huge risks that get monster pops but have yet to earn him a victory in the annual contest. Although Christian seems like the most obvious choice to win MITB this year, I think it's safe to say that "The Golden Standard" certainly has better odds of winning over most of the other guys in the match (namely Finlay, Kane, and Mark Henry).

    3 for 3


    ---SWITCH~!---



    4. While getting Kip James off of TV was a great move, removing Jacqueline from Beer Money with no explanation was a bad move.

    Bryan Carpenter: FICTION. I'll go with Fiction based solely on the fact that James Storm and Robert Roode have established themselves as TNA's top tag team and no longer need to rely on Jacqueline to act as their mouthpiece. Beer Money is set to defend the TNA Tag Team titles against Team 3D at Lockdown in Philadelphia -- which is where Brother Ray and Brother Devon got started on their way to becoming one of the most accomplished tag teams in professional wrestling history. Should Beer Money defeat Team 3D in their own backyard at Lockdown, any doubts of Roode and Storm being able to carry themselves on their own as one of the best teams in wrestling today should be laid to rest.

    Aaron Hubbard: FACT. Well, Kip James ceased to be entertaining about a decade ago, and the "Cute" gimmick was just painful, so yeah, that's a good move. Jacqueline leaving with no explanation is also not good, but not that big a deal. Beer Money does not NEED Jacqueline to be over, as they are possibly the most entertaining duo in the business right now. However, stuff happening for no reason is never good.

    3 for 4


    5. The 500th edition of Smackdown unfortunately was treated as a regular show and not the special occasion it should have been.

    Bryan Carpenter: FICTION. Let's recap last week's Smackdown. Vladimir Kozlov lingers dangerously closer to joining the WWE's dreaded "Best Wishes On Future Endevors" list after taking a clean loss to Triple H while MVP wins his second United States title by beating reigning champion Shelton Benjamin in a solid contest. Shawn Michaels picks up a win over Kane and Jeff Hardy pins THEE Brian Kendrick in a preview of Wrestlemania's Extreme Rules match pitting Jeff against his brother Matt. Undertaker gives JBL his second consecutive loss since ripping the Intercontinental title out of the hands of CM Punk a few weeks ago, and finally, Big Show and Edge play keep-away with Vickie Guerrero's unconscious body as we approach the end of the Road to Wrestlemania. Although I think the 500th edition of Smackdown would have benefited more from an actual match involving Big Show, Edge, and John Cena as the main event instead of the goofy promo that took its place, overall the show was entertaining pretty much throughout and satisfied this particular wrestling fan.

    Aaron Hubbard: FICTION. Everything on this show mattered. HHH-Kozlov, Taker-JBL, and HBK-Kane were all marquee matches that delivered. Having Shawn Michaels WRESTLE on Smackdown was huge, I think. We also got an extreme rules match and a title switch, which does not happen very often. This show was really good, and yeah, it probably could have been bigger, but the timing was rough. Everything should be building to Wrestlemania right now, and honestly, the 500th episode of WWE's "B" Show is not nearly as important as the 25th edition of Wrestlemania. If the 500th episode had landed in May or October, a much bigger deal would have been made. Thems the breaks sometimes.

    4 for 5


    6. JBL should lose the IC title to Rey Mysterio at Wrestlemania and then retire from being an active in ring performer.

    Bryan Carpenter: FACT. Since nearly every possible contender for JBL's newly-won Intercontinental title is already tied up in this year's Money in the Bank, Rey Mysterio just seems like the next guy in line for his chance to become IC Champion, which would be his first ever during his long, illustrious career. Holding the IC title could finally lead to some interesting feuds for Rey-Rey since being drafted to Raw last year. It sure would beat watching him repeatedly squash guys four times his size every night. As far as JBL retiring is concerned -- I haven't cared for the guy in a long time, ever since he was kicking ass and taking names with Faarooq a decade ago. If the self-proclaimed "Wrestling God" actually hangs up his boots for good, I surely wouldn't miss his rambling, monotone interviews or his blubbery manboobs come Monday night.

    Aaron Hubbard: FACT. I'm in the camp that was supporting JBL as far back as 2004 and his world title reign. I've been a fan of his going all the way back to his days in the Acolytes. He is a great brawler and one of the best on the mic. But his best days are long gone. Aside from the insanely cheesy parking lot brawl with John Cena and his cameo in the Elimination Chamber, can you name one truly memorable match JBL had last year? Thought not. As of right now, JBL has had a tremendously successful career, having won almost every title there is to win and gotten over as one of the best heels in the biggest wrestling company in the world. He should retire now while he still has some dignity. Whether he chooses to return to the announce table or take up other ventures, he'll be successful. He's been successful at everything he's ever tried, and that's more than most of us can say. Rey could use a run with the IC Title, as he's been in purgatory for a while now. This was the easiest Fact or Fiction choice I've ever made.

    5 for 6


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    Why do the first three fact or fictions talk about Foley and Sting?

    Posted By: Kyle (Guest)  on March 25, 2009 at 11:08 PM

     
     
    Ummm questions 1 & 3 have answers from question 2.

    Posted By: Guest (Guest)  on March 25, 2009 at 11:09 PM

     
     
    The reply for question #2 was also accidentally posted for #1, but it's an honest mistake...good column as usual.

    Posted By: Nick M. (Guest)  on March 25, 2009 at 11:09 PM

     
     
    Oops. Someone needs proof reading.

    Posted By: Booker T (Guest)  on March 25, 2009 at 11:15 PM

     
     
    and it's fixed. nothing to see here.

    Posted By: Booker T (Guest)  on March 25, 2009 at 11:16 PM

     
     
    Yup, my bad, long day.

    Posted By: The King of 411~! (Registered)  on March 25, 2009 at 11:17 PM

     
     
    Ummm... you doubled up Carpenter's response to the second question as his response to the first question as well.

    I kept reading and you doubled up the other guys answer to two on both two and three.

    ---

    1) Fact - Swagger is a great young talent and his No Way Out match wasn't that bad. I don't know what Vince is smoking. Besides, if he's so unsure of Swagger just make it a triple threat or fatal four-way match with Dreamer, Bourne and Kidd.

    2) Fact - I'd just like to note that Sting is surprisingly more broken down that Foley. Sting with the title is an abortion of boring main events. Putting him in the ring with another old guy just makes it worse.

    3) Fiction - MVP is still the frontrunner. No MitB winner since Edge has held onto the briefcase for a long period of time. It's time for that to happen again. That means there's plenty of time for MVP to have a long U.S. title run before cashing in. Heck, he might actually be the first guy to wait all the way until the next year's 'Mania.

    4) Fiction - No offense to Jackie, she was a great talent in her time. But now she's better away from the ring. She wasn't adding much to the duo anyway. They're hot on their own. Maybe a little explanation would have been nice but it was hardly necessary.

    5) Fact - The 500th show came close to delivering but at the end of the day it featured zero matches building up to HHH/Orton or Cena/Edge/Show. None of the match-ups were that big on paper and few of them delivered. Kane/HBK? That can happen on RAW any week. Ditto HHH/Kozlov on SD!. Kendrick was just jobbed out in a long match to Jeffikins. The only thing that was "big" was MVP's win over Benjamin which was surprisingly mediocre given the guys involved and how well they've done in the past.

    6) Fact - In fact, I'm calling it right now. IC Champ Rey Mysterio will be drafted to SD!. U.S. Champ MVP will be drafted to RAW. For the first time in the draft era the two secondary titles will switch shows. As far JBL goes I'm begging for him to go back to commentary. I don't care which show he ends up on but he desperately needs to get back behind the desk.


    Posted By: Ron Mexico (Guest)  on March 25, 2009 at 11:30 PM

     
     
    Why does everyone have this delusion that Christian's going to win MITB? Vince didn't even want to put him in the match, good sources said - you really think he's going to book him to win the thing? Besides, bringing back Christian to ECW showed that Vince *still* doesn't view him as a main-event guy, whether now or in the future.

    Make no mistake, this is MVP's year. Shelton's done nothing but tread water for the last two years and there's no sign whatsoever that the E intends to give him a sustained push. Meanwhile, we've known for months that the E intended to follow the losing streak for MVP with pushing him to the moon. Merely giving him the US title doesn't do that; it just returns him to where he was before the losing streak happened. Plus, with it looking like Orton & Big Show are the long-term champs after WM25 regardless of what actually happens there, it makes more sense for the MITB to be a face.


    Posted By: Texas Kelly (Guest)  on March 25, 2009 at 11:32 PM

     
     
    I'm calling MVP as the Money In The Bank winner. Sorry, Christian.

    Posted By: JasperJones83 (Registered)  on March 26, 2009 at 12:01 AM

     
     
    again, can somebody please explain what the appeal is of jack swagger to me??

    Posted By: csonkamaniac (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 12:05 AM

     
     
    6. JBL should lose the IC title to Rey Mysterio at Wrestlemania and then retire from being an active in ring performer

    FUCK NO!!!! There is no way in hell that lil midget should be beating guys twice his cleanly it's an insult to our intelligence.


    Posted By: Guest#2736 (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 12:09 AM

     
     
    I still say MVP is front runner for MITB, lets not forget that Mr. One Shot Deal had an IC title run while holding Money In The Bank

    Posted By: CJ (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 12:13 AM

     
     
    "He is a great brawler and one of the best on the mic". LMAO

    JBL has always sucked and not just on his man boobs


    Posted By: Rastlin Man (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 12:34 AM

     
     
    6) Fact - In fact, I'm calling it right now. IC Champ Rey Mysterio will be drafted to SD!. U.S. Champ MVP will be drafted to RAW. For the first time in the draft era the two secondary titles will switch shows. As far JBL goes I'm begging for him to go back to commentary. I don't care which show he ends up on but he desperately needs to get back behind the desk.

    Posted By: Ron Mexico (Guest) on March 25, 2009 at 11:30 PM


    I agree with you friend.I don't know why people think Christian is going to win.My guess is Benjamin I mean why else would they have him drop the US title before Mania.They did the same thing in 05 with Cena when he dropped the US title before Mania and ended up winning the WWE title.Its Benjis time now.


    Posted By: Guest#9159 (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 12:42 AM

     
     
    Please..please...please LET Shelton get the MITB. He deserves it for being the best over everyone else in the match since last year's Draft.

    Sting vs Foley? I got no problem with Sting going over Foley...just a 1992 flashback. Hopefully Foley has some kind of working shoes on.


    Posted By: Erik (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 12:44 AM

     
     
    1. Fiction: I haven't agreed with McMahon in a long time. Why start now?

    2. Fact: Which is exactly the problem with guys like MEM at the top of the card.

    3. Fact: But only if Vince decides he wants to swerve the fans.

    4. Fiction: If TNA had tried to give a reason, it would have been ridiculous and contrived. Letting her go out quietly at least has some dignity.

    5. Fact: But only because we're on the road to Wrestlemania. Any other time of the year, it would have been special, but there's no brand extension after the Royal Rumble.

    6. Fiction: Only because the questions says giving Rey the win. Even though most stars leave on their backs, JBL should win, retire and just vacate the title to make a smooth transition to announcer. He needs the prestige of going out on top to make the character work, and he has been losing too much recently.


    Posted By: Sly Reference (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 12:51 AM

     
     
    Graaaughh yaaw brulahaaa!!! GrAAAAuGH!! Dit..ditAIulh! GRaaaugh!!

    Posted By: Ahhnold (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 01:01 AM

     
     
    While you're explaining it to Csonkamaniac, explain it to me too. I have yet to witness any of this "charisma" they keep claiming Swagger has, and his matches are only good when he's carried by a pro like Dreamer or Christian. That's not to say he couldn't BECOME good someday (I wasn't that impressed with MVP when he debuted, either) but the fact to me is that he just plain isn't any good yet. I don't understand why he's being pushed, there's nothing entertaining about him.

    Posted By: Matt (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 01:09 AM

     
     
    6. JBL should lose the IC title to Rey Mysterio at Wrestlemania and then retire from being an active in ring performer

    FUCK NO!!!! There is no way in hell that lil midget should be beating guys twice his cleanly it's an insult to our intelligence.
    =========================
    Word. Please make Evan Bourne IC champ instead.


    Posted By: Guest#8290 (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 01:15 AM

     
     
    Hell, make the ECW title match the free online match a la the battle royal last year.

    Posted By: Guest#0186 (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 01:18 AM

     
     
    I really don't think Benjamin is going to get a serious main event run. Like... ever. He's an incredibly talented wrestler but he lacks the charisma necessary. The best thing they could do for Shelton is to get him a manager.

    Posted By: Justin (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 01:29 AM

     
     
    1.Fact - Over-rated singlet wrestler that smarks drool over because...well I don't know, he is incredibly generic, and seems to have "walk-through" syndrome almost as bad as Batista.

    2.Fact -As a Sting and Cactus Jack mark (obviously), this really hurts me to say, but neither of these guys belong in TNA right now. They should both be gearing up for WMXXV right now, Sting in a retirement match (or Jericho's 1-on-1 Legend opponent) and Foley as a HOF inductee.

    3. Fiction - Shelton is and always will be a midcard to lower ME wrestler, and its mainly because they don't trust him enough with a microphone. If they formed up a stable, and the ME leader picked Benjamin up for an "assassin" type role, then I could see him working his way up to the top, but that is highly unlikely. MVP is almost 90% sure to win this in my book, with the 10% going to a swerve win for Christian.

    4. Fiction - They are both unmissed Attitude Era relics that need to leave TV for good. That being said, I do not understand the love for Beer Money. It is basically America's Most Wanted, but they took out the better of the two wrestlers and inserted an even better wrestler, and they are now completely dominating the tag division again despite hardly ever (never?) getting a clean win as champions. If they could actually put a team away (say Team 3D) cleanly, then I may actually care.

    5.Fact - Considering this is the month before WrestleMania, all the interpromotional stuff that went on would be happening anyway. The only thing special that happened was they didn't think it was obvious enough that MVP was going to win so they robbed Benjamin of the title he held very nicely to spell it out.

    6.Fiction - JBL should win at WMXXV because otherwise this angle means nothing, and Punk's title loss means nothing. The "HISTORIC" thing he's going to do is retire at WMXXV as the only undefeated Intercontinental Champion in WWE history, which is fucking retarded considering he'll have what? ONE Title defense? But whatever, get that self-absorbed prick off my tv as fast as possible.


    Posted By: Cactus (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 01:30 AM

     
     
    They have to have JBL defend the IC Title against Rey. Retire afterwards. Set up an awesome Tournament for the title leading up to Backlash. Raw has enough midcard talent to make it up. Rhodes, DiBiase, Rey, Knox, Santino, Haas, Kane, Kofi etc. They could even go one step further and have the debuting/returning DH Smith compete.

    How cool would that be? Cool


    Posted By: Ryan (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 01:40 AM

     
     
    Joey Styles should beat JBL for the IC Belt ;) .

    On a more serious note, JBL really should retire. When the likes of Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle & Shawn Michaels fail to get 2&1/2 star upwards matches out of you, you know you're in deep shit (Those guys have a shitload of 4 star matches against almost everyone else they've ever worked with).


    Posted By: WadeMcG (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 02:37 AM

     
     
    I think ppl like Swagger because you can clearly see his potential. He's not a great wrestler, but you can see that he is headed toward that direction. He's not bad on the mic, but he can use some improvement. I really do see him becoming a larger Kurt Angle. I just hope WWe doesn't water him down to have a generic big man style.

    Posted By: Bunkhouse Buck (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 03:39 AM

     
     
    To me half of Sting world title matches have been crap

    Vs. Joe at BFG...great match, alot better then expected

    vs. AJ Styles the next month a good main event again

    8-man Tag match from Final Resolution, bad match

    vs. Rhino was a bad one

    I missed the 4-way from AAO

    vs. Angle was another good main event

    I'll admit though Sting vs. Foley 2009 isn't all that exciting


    Posted By: Guest#9705 (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 03:59 AM

     
     
    The only viable name to win MITB is MVP... he is the only one (minus Christian) with any long-term main event potential.

    Christian won't win because Vince doesn't see what most the fans see (true talent).

    I'd love CLB to win because it would be epic if he cashed in during an Edge title run, but its MVP all the way.


    Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 07:24 AM

     
     
    does bryan know wrestling is fake?

    Posted By: Guest#8555 (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 08:03 AM

     
     
    Swagger is the best young WWE talent???? Please. The guy sounds like Cindy Brady when he talks. Morrison,Bourne,Kofi are way better.

    Posted By: King Kong (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 08:27 AM

     
     
    all I have to say is JACK SWAGGER SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Posted By: no swagger fan here (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 08:35 AM

     
     
    shelton benjamin sucks. the onle people in the match that would be taken seriously as a winner are christian, cm punk, or kane. christian is something new and different, cm punk has won it before and the wwe is not above having a title run for someone who has been around forever. look at mysterio, jbl or booker t. those three were and still are not considered main even stars, but they were given the title anyways.

    Posted By: Guest#1147 (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 08:39 AM

     
     
    theres no way christian will win mitb vince didn't even want him in the match. cm punk won last year and was a failure world champion so he won't win. kofi will never make it. i only hope someone attacks him during entrance and takes up his place. kane's career is completely destroyed and sadly he wont win. henry can't even climb the ladder and finlay is past the age. only mvp or benjamin are likely to win and should win

    Posted By: mrperfect-rip (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 08:39 AM

     
     
    I disagree, Smackdown was weak. I thought they were gonna show classic clips throughout the show, but they just had that minute video at the beginning. All of the matches were disappointments too. The whole thing seemed really half-assed.

    Posted By: matrix1004 (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 08:51 AM

     
     
    MVP or Christian will win MITB imo, i like Benjamin to a certain extent but hes mic skills are terrible so i dont think he will ever be a main event guy.

    I think JBL will retain tho he really needs to get back on commentry, hes really good at that.


    Posted By: jbardo (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 09:10 AM

     
     
    "FUCK NO!!!! There is no way in hell that lil midget should be beating guys twice his cleanly it's an insult to our intelligence."

    And yet people bitch about Vince's supposed hard-on for big guys.


    Posted By: His Bubbliness (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 09:11 AM

     
     
    this was my favorite: "and no longer need to rely on Jacqueline to act as their mouthpiece."

    Someone's not watching the shows they're discussing around here!


    Posted By: Josh (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 09:16 AM

     
     
    when jbl retires, he seriously needs to go to the RAW commentary booth. Tazz and Jr are good, I have no problems with grisham and striker, but cole and the king is just a bit stale to me. JBL would be the perfect heel commentator fit.

    Posted By: cj (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 09:55 AM

     
     
    Although MVP winning MitB is the only way I can think of to make his whole turnaround angle mean something -- who gives a shit if he won the U.S. strap on Smackdown, after four months of ending EVERY match by looking at the lights? -- I'm tired of Shelton being the MitB match's bitch, and really don't want to see him lose it for a FOURTH time. I think they should've at least saved the MVP/Benji blow-off until after MVP won MitB and do a belt vs. briefcase match like the one then-I.C. Champ Benjamin had against Mr. Money in the Bank, RVD, back in 2006. At least that's one option, and a better one, I believe, then the semi-throwaway title change last friday.

    Posted By: KanyonKreist (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 10:24 AM

     
     
    1) FICTION. I agree with everyone saying they don't see anything overly special about Swagger, but I'll also agree that this is 100% fiction because WM should have EVERY title defended IMO. Don't think Swagger has what it takes Vince? Then have him lose at WM and give the title to someone who you think can deliver. I do find it funny that he quickly made sure JBL could defend his title though, because that match sure will deliver (NOTE: Sarcasm, in case you're too slow to pick up on it).

    2) FACT. Sting vs Foley, really? I think it's fantastic that TNA is able to one up WCW. Keep those big names in the spotlight until they're ALL as old as Flair, THAT'LL draw the ratings. Who needs new talent anyways?

    3) FICTION. I want it to be a fact, but I just can't see it happening. I was hoping for MVP, but him winning the US Title hurts his chances. So what, Christian wins? Stupid. He does NOT need the MITB. Hopefully I'm wrong and Benjamin gets it. The other options I'd be OK with are finally rewarding Kane for his years of service (I know he's getting past his prime, but give him one damn run before he's completely lost it) or dropping the stupid Hornswaggle thing and giving Finlay a chance to shine.

    4) Uhh, don't care. NEXT.

    5) FICTION. I might've expected a little more, but like was already said... it was a good setup show for WM and that's what is needed right now. Although I think finally having a SCSA appearance before his induction would've been a nice touch for the 500th episode.

    6) No clue what to say here. I'm tired of JBL, but I'm just as tired of Rey. I'll say FACT if they decide Rey should feud with someone like Bourne so we can have a fast-paced high-flying feud... NO MORE REY VS. BIG GUYS!


    Posted By: bucksinnc (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 10:33 AM

     
     
    SWAGGA is awesome and he should be defending against Rey, with the IC title match scrapped. As it is they're telling us the IC title is more important than the EWC championship, which does it and by extension Swagger serious damage.

    I disagree with Aaron about Christian's need to win MITB. No more than a third of WWE's audience watches TNA, and the rest really think he fell off the planet for three years. Winning would instantly cement his place and credibility at the top, which is the real purpose of MITB. I'm pulling for Shelton because I'm least confident about his future in terms of faith from management.

    Pulling Jacqueline with no explanation is bad, anyone who just disappears is made to look irrelevant and if they want to use her anymore it will take rebuilding for people to care. All they had to do was have Beer Money dismiss her as a point of honor going into their match with 3D. Let her wrestle in a Finlay type role and fire Rhaka Khan yesterday.

    As I said in the 4R's, Smackdown was loaded with predictable matches. An actual buildup, montage of SD moments and special guest appearances were all in order. I don't know why they even mentioned the milestone if they obviously don't care. Raw gets a HUGE anniversary show, SD gets some glorified squash matches. Easy to see which is still the "A show".


    Posted By: Shockmaster (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 10:43 AM

     
     
    I am glad a lot of people including me believe that Rey Mysterio has no business being in a wrestling ring other than to wrestle other midgets. He is the most unbelievable champion ever. This is the first wrestlemania in 25 years I am not looking forward to. How do you get excited when the only match you want to see is the 25 diva battle royal and you usually hate watching the chicks wrestle. Vince I dont know if business is as bad as your making it seem.. But this PPV would be an OK 5th or 6th important ppv of the year and is certainly by no means a wrestlemania card. I am seriously second guessing ordering it..... Just for the record this would be only the 8th PPV in 20 years i have not ordered.

    Posted By: sketchy1 (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 11:09 AM

     
     
    OK I am tired of hearing people say Shelton has no mic skills, when in fact he has been gaining more and more confidence on the mic each week. He's improved so much, and I think not enough people are watching Smackdown to notice. Also Shelton Benjamin has been in top matches just about every week on Smackdown and always looking like a threat he's yet to be squashed since he was drafted to smackdown. he's had two or three stellar matches with Triple H AND The Undertaker. If WWE didnt like him or see any potential then Jeff Hardy HHH and Taker would have beat him in under 3 mins, but Benjamin has been given 10-15 mins with guys like Taker HHH and Jeff Hardy. Not to mention his recent feud with MVP has been on of the crown jewels of Smackdown, i was interested when they through Chavo Guerrero into the mix and R Truth, kind wish they did the Fatal Four way, and had MVP win the US Title in that match. That way even if Benjamin doesnt win Moeny in the bank he can still be a reliable challenger to the US Title, as he can claim the deck was stacked against him and MVP couldnt beat him one on one. Then push the rematch for Backlash, but of course they didnt go that route.

    Posted By: Jive (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM

     
     
    omg shelton f*****g benjamin winning the money in the bank.This is the last straw for me im f*****g done with wrestling if this happens.They need to legalise roids and get some more BACK STAGE HEAT going.

    Posted By: Guest#9775 (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 12:35 PM

     
     
    2.Fact -As a Sting and Cactus Jack mark (obviously), this really hurts me to say, but neither of these guys belong in TNA right now. They should both be gearing up for WMXXV right now, Sting in a retirement match (or Jericho's 1-on-1 Legend opponent) and Foley as a HOF inductee.

    Posted By: Cactus (Guest) on March 26, 2009 at 01:30 AM

    You're on point with that man.


    Posted By: SDvsRaw10 (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 12:41 PM

     
     
    Proof has showed us that people who go into ppvs on top dont usually win. Whenever a 2nd tier champ is heading into a big change they always lose the title. RVD lost the IC title when he became MITB winner. Cena Lost the U.S. title just befor his first title win. SC lost the IC title just befor his title win. History repeats himself. In a way to keep the title from being held OR to keep from having to alter a upcomming angle the person drops the title. Why give MvP the US title if hes going to win Mitb? He doesnt need the title then. Also if Neither benjamin or MvP are going to win Mitb why have a title change in such a unhyped match? They could have had a long storyline. And only thing that Shelton has been treading on is that fineline to a mainevent push. They(Rhodes idea) were going to make him ECW champ but the rediculous "La familia" took precedence over that DUE to Rhodes leaving the ECW booking team and thus we get the lame Chavo ECW champ run.

    Posted By: rellik kram (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 01:27 PM

     
     
    "With MVP winning the US title on the 500th episode of Smackdown, Shelton Benjamin now becomes a frontrunner to win the MITB match at Wrestlemania."

    I see Shelton winning it, but I also see Vince making him the first MITB winner to not win the championship.


    Posted By: Guest#8592 (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 01:59 PM

     
     
    It has to be MVP then. they'll pick cocky and semi-talented over passively arrogant and very talented(Benjamin).

    Kind of wishful to think Christian will win it. He's been gone a long time, and left in the first place because not getting any higher up.


    Posted By: not hard (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 02:04 PM

     
     
    "The 500th edition of Smackdown unfortunately was treated as a regular show and not the special occasion it should have been."

    FACT: I fell asleep on it just like I usually do and wasn't upset at all because I missed it.


    Posted By: Guest#2379 (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 02:04 PM

     
     
    Ok 411 We all agree without a doubt that the Macho Man Randy Savage deserves to be in the WWE Hall of Fame.There are hundreds of rumours about why he has not been inducted. There is an obvious hatred between 2 parties here. I think you guys need to do something for all the wrestling fans you get here every day... I would do it myself however you seem to be able to attract a much larger audience than i can. I think we should have a petition running on 411 for 3 months or so for people to sign as they visit to get Macho Man inducted. After we reach a plateau of lets say 5,000 or even 10,000 Ashish should forward it onto somebody at the WWE and see if we can make it happen. You obviously have connections down at the E. Let all come together and get the Macho man inducted.

    Posted By: Stuart C (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 02:22 PM

     
     
    I would much rather see JBL continue to carry the IC title. He is more entertaining than Rey "my knees are spaghetti and I can't work a mic" Mysterio ever were. I would argue that Rey should be the one to retire. He isn't the flyer that he was before all his injuries forced him to tone down his moves. On the other hand, JBL has rested his body, lost some weight, and can still pull off his stiff style of power/psychological wrestling.

    Posted By: GoodNDrunk (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 03:50 PM

     
     
    It has been mentioned that JBL will make history. I see him retiring as IC champ, which hasn't been done before. Then there will be a tournament for the IC title.

    Posted By: JC (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 04:00 PM

     
     
    "can you name one truly memorable match JBL had last year?"

    JBL vs Finlay at Wrestlemania was alot of fun.


    Posted By: Daniel (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 04:05 PM

     
     
    again, can somebody please explain what the appeal is of jack swagger to me??

    Posted By: csonkamaniac (Guest)

    1. He's big but actually uses amature mat based stuff regularly.

    2. He hasn't had a bad match excluding those sqaushes that he did at the beginning.

    3. you actually beleive that he's arrogent, instead of playing the part.

    4. what got me firmly on the swagger bandwagon was a spot he did on christian, Shoulder breaker, Press hard againt the turnbuckle, another shoulder-breaker and then powerslam, one of the most perfect working the back moments i've ever seen.


    Posted By: Freakzilla (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 05:07 PM

     
     
    how can you say that beer money is the most entertaining duo in the business? are you kidding me?

    Posted By: seandroid (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 06:33 PM

     
     
    "again, can somebody please explain what the appeal is of jack swagger to me??"

    Only you can explain what the appeal is of jack swagger to you. Everyone else can only put what they like about him.


    Posted By: Guest#6252 (Guest)  on March 26, 2009 at 08:53 PM

     
     
    "Besides, bringing back Christian to ECW showed that Vince *still* doesn't view him as a main-event guy, whether now or in the future."

    and the winner of the 'Oblivious To Their Own Shortsighted Comment' goes to the guy who posted that.


    Posted By: Darth Mortis (Registered)  on March 27, 2009 at 04:55 PM

     
     
    JBL is too valuable to retire, Rey is a crock, and Kofi Kingston is a midcarder for life.

    Please people.


    Posted By: Propagandhi (Guest)  on March 27, 2009 at 06:31 PM

     
     
    i hope christian wins...you can see it on his face that he likes where he is and it also shows in-ring

    Posted By: tazz (Guest)  on March 29, 2009 at 12:46 PM

     


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