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411’s Instant Access: WWE WrestleMania 25
Posted by Scott Slimmer on 04.05.2009



Hey kids, I'm Scott, and this is 411's Instant Access: WWE WrestleMania 25. Instant Access is a new(ish) experiment here at 411 Wrestling that will feature immediate reaction to wrestling pay-per-views. The focus here is going to be on first thoughts and snap judgments instead of play-by-play with the goal of providing you with instant access to one two three FOUR writers' thoughts on the show. That's right, Instant Access will now feature multiple analysts for all WWE pay-per-views. Here's the team for the WrestleMania 25:

Scott Slimmer, author of Don't Think Twice.
Chris Lansdell, author of A Brace for Impact and If Could Be Serious For A Moment.
• The Family Roaster. I don't know who this dude is, but Lansdell says he's good people, and that's good enough for me.
Jeff Small, author of the Tuesday Small-For-All News Report.


Okay kids, enough with the explanations. Let's get to the wrestling.



Money in the Bank Ladder Match
Match Result: CM Punk wins the Money in the Bank Ladder Match.
Match Length: 14:26
Match Analysis:
Slimmer: HO. LEE. CRAP. The Money in the Bank Ladder Match has delivered breathtaking excitement at WrestleMania for each of the last four years, and this year was certainly no exception. Kofi Kingston definitely gets the Shelton Benjamin Memorial Award for having a truly breakthrough performance in a MITB match. Hopping the ladder near the beginning of the match was hella sweet, and swinging through the ladder to take out Finlay later in the match was stellar. And speaking of Shelton Benjamin, the Gold Standard once again came through with his trademark mixed bag of MITB spots. His Senton Bomb from the ladder on the outside was incredible, except of course for the fact that he under-rotated and damn near killed himself. Scaling the ladder from the outside was great, but of course if was followed by the requisite Shelton botch. Kane, Mark Henry, and Finlay all did an admirable job of playing to their own strengths, and even Hornswoggle's role made perfect sense. Punk is the most credible title contender of the bunch, so I completely agree with having him win the match for the second year in a row. Punk's first title reign was treated as something of a joke, but throughout it all he has maintained a tremendous amount of support from the fans. Here's hoping that this MITB win leads to a more substantial world championship title reign.
Lansdell: Well, of course I am ecstatic about that result as my boy won. Kofi was a highlight reel and hopefully this match will catapult him further. Shelton died for us all again, and he's another one who deserves better. Henry and Kane weren't bad at all, I take it all back. If this really is the year that the MITB winner doesn't win the title, I'm fine with that since Punk did it before anyway.
The Family Roaster: I guess it left me wanting a little, I wonder if had I seen that as the first MITB, but it wasn't spectacular compared with the others. Kofi was great as was Shelton.
Small: Fun match like all MITBs are. A little on the short side, but solid.
Match Rating:
Slimmer: ****
Lansdell: ***¾
The Family Roaster: ***½
Small: ***½
Average Match Rating: ***¾



25 Diva Battle Royal
Match Result: Santino Marella wins the 25 Diva Battle Royal.
Match Length: 6:00
Match Analysis:
Slimmer: Oh my stars and garters. First Kid Rock burns a bunch of valuable time at the biggest show of the year, and then we get a six minute Divas match with no greater purpose that to put over a comedy act. The fact that none of the Divas were announce was an insult to the Divas that returned for a special appearance, and after this disaster I'm incredibly glad that Trish Stratus and Lita had the good sense to stay the hell away. But to waste Sunny, Molly Holly, Victoria, and even Torrie Wilson like that was just asinine. The concept of having 25 past and present Divas fight to become Miss WrestleMania could have led to a decent match. It could have lead to Trish Stratus and Lita beating the hell out of each other one more time. It could have led to Molly Holly, Gail Kim, and Victoria reminding us the women actually can wrestle. It could have led to Mickie James grabbing another Diva where the sun don't shine. And all of that would have been awesome. But instead we got Santino in drag. What a bunch of bullshit.
Lansdell: Well that was bullshittery to end all bullshit. I mean Santino has some distinctive tattoos, and nobody recognized them? The most ingenious disguise since a pair of glasses! What a load of shite. The only redeeming factors were Molly Holly, Victoria and the stiffness of Mickie James and Michelle McCool. ¼*
The Family Roaster: The fact that Santino won makes this a complete joke in my mind. Not that it was ever going to be a ***** classic, but it would have been a lot more credible if Melina, Beth or a real star had won it. They also didn't make any sort of big deal about the returning stars, we were left to pick them out.
Small: Kid rock made a great time to buy pizza beer and t-shirt. BTW, 30 bucks for a t-shirt? Doesn't Vince know we are in a recession? As for the match I hate how no Diva was announced but I love the winner Santina. Five stars for innocent fun.
Match Rating:
Slimmer: ¼*
Lansdell: ¼*
The Family Roaster: *
Small: N/A
Average Match Rating: ½*



Chris Jericho vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper, Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka, and Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat w/ Ric Flair and Mickey Rourke
Match Result: Chris Jericho defeats Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka with the Walls of Jericho, "Rowdy" Roddy Piper with an enzuigiri, and Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat with the Code Breaker.
Match Length: 8:57
Match Analysis:
Slimmer: The good news is we got the two questionable matches out of the way early. The bad news was this, for the most part, this was not pretty. We've seen Piper and Snuka with alarming regularity over the past few years, and they once gain gave us what little they have left to give. Snuka's whimper of a tap was particularly disturbing. However, with that being said, I have to give MAJOR love and respect to Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat. I had no idea that he would be able to perform as such a high level after not stepping in the ring for close to two decades. I thought that Flair / Michaels was the best possible way for Flair to retire, but not I'm wondering if Flair should have held out for one last math with Steamboat, twenty years after they defined perfection. Because after seeing this match, I really kind of think that Flair and Steamboat could have had one last five star classic. But anyway, this was what it was, basically just a waste of time that at least gave Steamboat the chance to remind us that he truly is one of the all time greats. I think it's safe to assume that Jericho is finished with this Legends business, so he's free to move back to challenging the real roster. And with both world championships on the line tonight and the Draft coming up in just eight days, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Jericho challenging for a world championship sooner rather than later.
Lansdell: Wow. That was miles better than I ever hoped it could be. Steamboat looked INCREDIBLE and even Piper didn't embarrass himself. However, at the end of the day it was 3 old guys standing in for Mickey Rourke.
The Family Roaster: Based on Steamboat's performance alone, this was good. He looked at least 10 years younger than he is, but Rourke's performance was rather blah for me. It was good that he got involved, but the punches looked completely unconvincing.
Small: I'm not saying women don't fall over him.
But he don't give in.
He's a family man.
Ricky Steamboat, the Dragon.
(Slimmer's Note: Looks like Small found the beer stand. Too bad he was sober for the Divas match.)
Match Rating:
Slimmer:
Lansdell: **
The Family Roaster: **
Small: **
Average Match Rating: **



Jeff Hardy vs. Matt Hardy in an Extreme Rules Match
Match Result: Matt Hardy defeats Jeff Hardy with a chair-assisted Twist of Fate.
Match Length: 13:14
Match Analysis:
Slimmer: I have to say that this match left me a bit under whelmed. Sure, there were some crazy spots, but I'm not sure they were quite at the level of crazy that we were expecting from two of the craziest spot monkeys in WWE history. But the real problem was not the big spots but rather everything between the big spots. The Hardys seemed completely unable to hold the crowd's attention between monstrous bumps, and as a result the crowd was dead for most of the match. And that, more than anything else, may underscore and legitimize the criticisms that have been thrown at the Hardys for years. Yes, they love this business, and yes, they are willing to do ANYTHING to try to entertain the fans. But more often than not it seems as though they lack the ability to tell real stories with real emotion. And that may be what keeps them from ever truly reaching the top of the card. However, you have to assume that Jeff will want vengeance after tasting defeat on the biggest stage of them all. A rematch seems likely, but where do you go after an Extreme Rules Match?
Lansdell: It wasn't as long or as spot-filled as I dreamed for, but it was still very good. That finish from Matt had me cringing. The feud had better give us a rematch next month, and then Matt can use it to get the elevation up the card that he deserves. Solid match.
The Family Roaster: Could have been longer but the spots were crazy, especially the finish. There's going to be a big blow-off, maybe even more extreme than this one. It was good but could have been even better with more time.
Small: It almost seemed like they were holding back in an extreme rules match. It was solid but I wanted more… more beer, that is.
Match Rating:
Slimmer: **
Lansdell: ***
The Family Roaster: ***¼
Small: ***
Average Match Rating: **¾



John "Bradshaw" Layfield (Champion)vs. Rey Mysterio for the Intercontinental Championship
Match Result: Rey Mysterio defeats John "Bradshaw" Layfield with the 619 followed by a top rope splash.
Match Length: 0:21
Match Analysis:
Slimmer: Well, that was, um, what did JBL say it was going to be? "The most dominating performance in WrestleMania history?" Sure, we'll go with that. Hey, I'll be the first to admit that it's always fun to watch JBL get his ass handed to him. But the sad thing is that Mysterio and JBL actually have great chemistry with each other, and Mysterio is one of the few guys that can still pull a great match out of JBL. Under different circumstances, these two guys could have had a hot match, but clearly that wasn't the plan. But hey, Mysterio's ring attire was awesome, copyright issues aside. And maybe it isn't such a bad thing that JBL quit after the match. I mean, he wasn't exactly setting the world on fire in the ring. And what is this I hear about Smackdown being in need of a color commentator? But hey, you do have to love the fact that Rey Mysterio has now retired JBL… TWICE.
Lansdell: Ummm? Huh? The best part of this was Rey's outfit and the stiff kick. Otherwise...remember when WrestleMania, and IC title matches thereat, were classics?
The Family Roaster: Roaster: That was a match? It was basically just there to get the belt to Rey and get JBL off the active roster. Which could have been done on Raw.
Small: I missed JBL match cause I had to pee and the line was long. Seriously what's with Houston and long lines? Dudes shouldn't wait in line to pee. I'm glad the JBL match was short, because it would have sucked. Five stars for booking. (Slimmer's Note: Fair enough. I missed the entire Kane / Khali match at WrestleMania 23 while in the bathroom. And I was at home, so there wasn't even a line.)
Match Rating:
Slimmer: ½*
Lansdell: ½*
The Family Roaster: *
Small: N/A
Average Match Rating: ½*



Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker
Match Result: The Undertaker defeats Shawn Michaels with the Tombstone Piledriver.
Match Length: 30:42
Match Analysis:
Slimmer: And here we have the 2009 Match of the Year. Period, end of story. This match literally had it all. Shawn Michaels kicked out of a HELLACIOUS Last Ride and a Tombstone Piledriver. The Undertaker kicked out of multiple Sweet Chin Musics. Michaels absolutely splattered himself after a missed moonsault. A referee bit the dust in a moment eerily reminiscent of the first Hell in a Cell Match. And the Undertaker truly may have been unconscious for a few minutes. It may not have been a perfect match, but it was certainly one that we'll remember for a long time to come. There are rumors that Shawn Michaels may take a bit of time off after this match, and a loss to the Undertaker is certainly a credible reason for taking a leave of absence. As for the Undertaker, his Streak is still alive, and the Dead Man is as dominant as ever. Could we see him challenging either the WWE Champion or the World Heavyweight Champion after WrestleMania?
Lansdell: Holy shit. That's about all I can say. Two men closer to 50 than 40 just put everyone and everything else on TV this week, month hell this YEAR to shame. Counters, spots, tension, drama...what more could you want?
The Family Roaster: It was a very, very good match, it told a great story, but it's not 5 stars because Michaels kicked out of EVERYTHING Taker threw at him, stuff that nobody else has kicked out of. Michaels is obviously a great wrestler, but seeing him survive what many have failed to take really hurt the match for me.
Small: Of note the funnel cakes in Houston are way better than Orlando. Instead of soaking them in hot oil, they put them in a pizza oven. Much better. As for the match, its HBK vs. Taker. It's a five star classic. Like I need to comment on it.
Match Rating:
Slimmer: ****¾
Lansdell: ****¼
The Family Roaster: ****
Small: *****
Average Match Rating: ****½



Edge (Champion) vs. The Big Show vs. John Cena in a Triple Threat Match for the World Heavyweight Championship
Match Result: John Cena defeats the Big Show with the FU Attitude Adjustment.
Match Length: 14:44
Match Analysis:
Slimmer: I've had nightmares where 10,000 John Cenas are chasing me. But I digress. This was certainly a passable Triple Threat Match, but unfortunately you can't help but compare it to the Triple Threat Match five years ago at WrestleMania XX. And it simply pales in comparison. The finish would have been epic if Cena had managed to FU both Edge and Show at the same time, especially since Edge would have landed underneath Show. However, the finish was still fairly impressive, and somehow it makes sense that Cena would win given that he seemed to come into the match with the most focus and the fewest distractions. The draft is in only eight days, so it's hard to say where any of these three men will end up after that. But I would be willing to bet that Edge and Show will still have to fight for the love of the virtuous Vickie Guerrero, so expect their feud to continue while Cena finds a new challenger for the World Heavyweight Championship.
Lansdell: So they added Big Show to keep the match fresh, yet we get the predictable and stale ending of Cena winning. The match was pretty good I guess, I do wonder who Cena goes to face next however. Edge must dread hearing Cena's name.
The Family Roaster: Roaster: I thought this was a decent match, there were no missed spots and in fact some pretty impressive ones, especially the finish. There was basically nothing wrong and enough right to push it over average.
Small: Dead crowd to start due to taker. Then it and the match got better. The big show tried to bring it down but he didn't. Nice win for the man of 1000 entrances. Does this mean Trips is also winning?
Match Rating:
Slimmer: ***½
Lansdell: ***
The Family Roaster: ***½
Small: ***
Average Match Rating: ***¼



Triple H (Champion) vs. Randy Orton for the WWE Championship
Match Result: Triple H defeats Randy Orton with the Pedigree.
Match Length: 23:36
Match Analysis:
Slimmer: This was the kind of match that was BEGGING for interference, so much so that we were almost conditioned into simply waiting for the inevitable run-in by Vince, Shane, Stephanie, Cody, or Ted. But the interference never came, and that made the ending feel as though it came out of nowhere. Given how frequently it was stressed that Triple H would lose the title if he was disqualified, I truly believed that Steph would come down to the ring, slap / punch / nut shot Orton, and thus inadvertently cost her husband the title. But instead we got a punt, a sledgehammer shot, and a Pedigree for the "happy" ending. Only that happy ending was unsatisfying. And I'm wondering if it was really all that happy. The RKO chants have been getting louder and louder each week, especially when Orton does something particularly dastardly. He is pure evil, but I think it's the kind of fun escapist evil that the crowd seems to be craving. "Stone Cold" Steve Austin defined the anti-hero in the world of professional wrestling, but under the right circumstances Randy Orton could bring the anti-hero to a whole new level. But unfortunately WWE seems to be either unaware of the chants of their fans or unwilling to act upon those chants. And thus Triple H retains his title at WrestleMania. Again.
Lansdell: One big, giant, huge MEH for this one. Sure it told the hatred story, but it was slow, plodding and frankly boring. HHH gets crap for not putting people over and this may well be a case of that phenomenon. Orton is at the top of his game and has to lie down for HHH. I cannot get behind the match or the result. It wasn't awful, but it wasn't worthy of a WM main event. Period.
The Family Roaster: Little bit better than average but at a slow pace that did nothing to bring the crowd back from exhaustion or to generate the feeling of a main event atmosphere. It wasn't bad, it just wasn't what you expect.
Small: Blah main event. The crowd never recovered from Taker/HBK plus Austin's long goodbye. Throw in the fact that there was no flow to thus match and its definitely a disappointment.
Match Rating:
Slimmer: ***½
Lansdell: **¼
The Family Roaster: ***
Small: **
Average Match Rating: **¾


Final Thoughts

Match of the Night:
Slimmer: Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker (****¾)
Two of the greatest wrestlers of all time and thirty minutes really are all you need for the match of the night at WrestleMania. There were counters, cameraman bumps, more kick-outs than we ever could have expected, and two of the best set-ups for the Tombstone Piledriver that we've ever seen. I think we all knew coming in that this would be a match that we'd always remember, one way or the other. Luckily, it was more than just memorable. It was the Match of the Night and will be the Match of the Year.
Lansdell: Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker (****¼)
Very few people thought any other match would have a shot at Match of the Night, and we were not wrong. The two best big-match performers of this generation went out and did what everyone expected them to do.
The Family Roaster: Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker (****)
Small: Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker (*****)

Trash of the Night:
Slimmer: 25 Diva Battle Royal (¼*)
It's not so much that the in-ring action was sloppy and forgettable. It's really about the fact that an opportunity for a great WrestleMania moment was completely wasted in order to push a guy who is so bad in the ring that he no longer wrestles men. I feel horrible for all of the Divas who returned and were treated like garbage. You can argue about whether or not this was the worst WrestleMania match in history, but it will certainly forever be part of the conversation.
Lansdell: 25 Diva Battle Royal (¼*)
So let me get this straight: You throw a huge Divas Battle Royal. You invite back past stars. You hype it hard. Then you bring out 25 ladies together, make no effort to identify any of them, and let them have 5 minutes of crap fighting followed by a man in obvious drag winning? We'll see this on WrestleCrap within a month.
The Family Roaster: 25 Diva Battle Royal (*)

Final Analysis:
Slimmer: I hate to say this about WrestleMania, especially a "big" one like WrestleMania 25, but I have to admit that I'm a bit disappointed. This show looked really good on paper, but several of the matches just failed to deliver. The Divas match was a complete disaster, and the Legends match was saved only by the awesomeness of Ricky Steamboat. The Hardys match was disjointed and uninspired, and the Intercontinental Championship Match was almost too short to really be considered a match. Both title matches were decent but far from epic. Oh, and let's not forget that the big Tag Team Title Unification Match featuring two teams that have unbelievable chemistry with each other was bumped to the pre-show. That really only leaves you with the Money in the Bank Ladder Match and Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker. Both of those matches delivered big time, but unfortunately two great matches aren't enough to save a show with eight matches. Especially when there were supposed to be nine matches. And even more so when it's the biggest show of the year. This just wasn't a solid show, and it was no where near the level that we should have seen from WrestleMania 25.
Lansdell: This would have been an excellent Backlash. It would have been a rather good SummerSlam. As a WrestleMania, it falls somewhat flat. It's not challenging IX and XI for futility, but it's definitely not what you'd expect for the 25th installment of the Biggest Spectacle our Industry. Outside of Michaels-Taker, which everyone knew would be good, only MITB surpassed my expectations. Very disappointing.
Small: Overall I enjoyed the show even though I missed the tag titles match due to traffic and the disappointing main event. HBK vs. Taker totally made this one a night to remember. Onto Phoenix.

Verdict:
Slimmer: **½
Lansdell: **¾
The Family Roaster: ***
Small: ***½
Average Verdict: **¾


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You guys are way to fucking critical.... The best match was taker and shawn i would of gave the legends 3 stars for just being able to stand. Hardy vs hardy was amazing... you guys are just a bunch of fucking kids... Wrestlezone is the only true wrestling site

Posted By: Guest#9929 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 12:34 AM

 
 
Hello WWE meet The Shark...

Now jump over it


Posted By: Chris (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 12:39 AM

 
 
"Average Verdict: **¾"

LOL


Posted By: Guest#0343 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 12:40 AM

 
 
LOL @ **¾

Posted By: Guest#0739 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 12:40 AM

 
 
What the hell is wrong with everyone? Ur blaming the WWE because what u expected didn't happen? Why don't u try watching the show like a fan...like u profess to be...and stop trying to be an arm-chair booker...the show paid off the way it was supposed to...if the main event had interference, everyone would have complained...if it ended in a DQ, everyone would have complained...if u don't like it, don't watch it...then u won't be dissapointed...but then you'll have nothing to complain about.

Posted By: DeeRayMoore (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 12:45 AM

 
 
Ya know, I'm not sure this even looked good on paper.

The only way HHH/RKO could have been a good match was with Orton winning. Otherwise, everything we've been forced to sit thru the last month or so would be nothing but a time waster. Guess what..?

Jericho/3 Old Men was destined for failure. Either he loses to 3 broken old men, or he beats 3 broken old men. That was a lose/lose situation from Day 1.

Diva Battle Royale? why not just call it Bathroom Break and get it over with?

MITB had only one obvious choice. CM Punk. Christian still needs to be punished for leaving the 'E, and none of the other men involved are world champ material.

Based on the Big Show/Edge rivalry they've built up as of late, Cena was the obvious choice. Short of a fluke, there was no way he'd lose.

JBL/Rey Rey was the sleeper match of the night for me, because of (A) Rey's costume. LOVED IT. and (B) getting JBL and his bitch tits the fuck off of my TV screen.

The Hardys and HBK/Undie were the only two matches guaranteed to deliver, and even then, The hardy match seemed more like a spot-fest than anything resembling a match. There was little to no ring psychology or story telling in the match, just spot after spot after spot.

All in all, a shitty wrestlemania.

Thank god those of us who have a first grade education know that NEXT YEAR is the 25th anniversary of Wrestlemania. Maybe then we can have something worthy of the name.


Posted By: Spaz Monkey (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 12:45 AM

 
 
please start your nooby comments!

Posted By: gav (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 12:50 AM

 
 
sadly this Mania was a yawwwwwwwwn... & I even pumped myself up for it, me & my buddies convinced each other it would be good but at the end....... BLAH!!

where was my tag unification (did i spell that right? --- is that a word?) match??? I was looking foward to that (before the lumberbull-crap stip...)

Rey's get-up was great you all say?????? We all groaned at the lucha-doink outfit. If you want DOINK, put him against Y2J--- that was a heads up to the following shit-fest to follow. What was great about rey's idiotic get-up??????

HHH is very HO-HUM.... he's angry, rinse, repeat... god that match was a bad way to end the fued (hopefully, that's the END--- did I spell 'Fued' right?... ) Crap-fest

pissed that I spent the $55 --- is that what it was? could have been ten & I would have felt gyped---

I was at WM24 --- I'M JUST HAPPY I didn't spend the dime to go this year--- Stone Cold!!!! on a ATV riding circles, circles, circles..... ummmmmmm, yay if you're a texas clown (then the Rey Mysterio Doink thing made you happy too...) but if it was Hogan posing with NO POINT for that long everyone would riot over it, SO F stone cold & his less than Snuka performance at Mania, seriously, why is he a bad-ass anymore??? Snuka can out wresle him, sadly & I'm a stone-cold fan.... that was BORING!!!!!!!!!... like kid rock--- those chicks dry humped him & then went on to a really shitty battle royale...bad

I wanted to love this Mania--- but I can't on any level- & how you all think Rey's get-up was good is totally beyond me--- did you all dress that way at the Batman premiere--- that's the only way you could justify that.... Rey dressed like Meehan did on halloween & you all spring a root over it--- that's classic........


Posted By: BlueOyster (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 12:53 AM

 
 
Matt Hardy is a spot monkey? Huh? He's more UWF than any of the current WWE wrestlers...don't underwhelm it just coz you have to, Slimmer...a reviewer's job is a bit more prestigious than that

Posted By: christy (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 12:59 AM

 
 
"The Family Roaster: It was a very, very good match, it told a great story, but it's not 5 stars because Michaels kicked out of EVERYTHING Taker threw at him, stuff that nobody else has kicked out of. Michaels is obviously a great wrestler, but seeing him survive what many have failed to take really hurt the match for me."

Your logic is horrible......

The fact that you wee placed next to small was a disgrace.

You earn a -whammy.


Posted By: Matt P (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:02 AM

 
 
Over all, my friend Jake and I enjoyed Wrestlemania. I will say this wasn't nearly as good as 17 and 24, but this wasn't 13 or 9 either. Hell, it was even better then WM 22.

I'd give it a 7, maybe even 7 1/2 out of 10. Meaning it was good, but when it's WM, you expect great, and we rarely got great.


Posted By: Drew (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:06 AM

 
 
vince needs to give half of wrestlemanias earning to taker/michaels without them it blows triple threat title match wasnt bad or mitb except for the winner but overall not wroth it one of the top 5 worst manias ever

Posted By: richard (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:08 AM

 
 
I don't know about you guys but I loved pretty much every minute of this, my only gripes was JBL losing so fast, the tag match getting canned and Triple H getting the win, other that I was suprised how good this Mania turned out, and I give MAJOR props to Steamboat for his performance. You guys need to not be so over critacal :)

Posted By: Jones (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:11 AM

 
 
Stupid Intersquashinental Title match.... I agree with you guys about the whole PPV. It was not awful but it is far from what I expected from WM25

Posted By: Travis (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:19 AM

 
 
I don't think you guys were critical at all. I read a lot of reviews on here and I have had flaws with you before but I felt exactly they way you guys did on almost everything.

The main event was not a main event at all. Orton and Triple H were the two most in shape guys the whole night and they moved slower than Mark freakin Henry most of the match. I am not mad about the PPV but it just feels like something was missing......


Posted By: Travis (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:25 AM

 
 
"Two men closer to 50 than 40"

You're Wrong Wrong And Wrong !

Taker just turned 44 and HBK will turn 44 the same next July.

Which means BOTH of them are closer to 40 than 50 !


Posted By: 17-0 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:28 AM

 
 
If you take out both Hardy vs Hardy and HBK vs Taker, this Mania is one of THE WORST MANIAS IN HISTORY, Plain and Simple.

20 Minutes for KID "I could not sing to save my lame ass" Rock and 21 Seconds for The IC One and ZERO For The Unification Of The Tag Titles ? How LAME Is this ?

The two Main Event matches were horrible and the houston crowd was SILENT DEAD for both of them.

No wonder, it was a given HBK vs Taker would end up being the MATCH OF THE YEAR and the crowd would be totally deflated for any single Match following it.

I hope The Game did enjoy the ultra SMALL "pop" he got for retaining, Taker and Jeff Hardy already OUTPOPPED him at NWO By a HUGE MILE IMO.


Posted By: 17-0 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:32 AM

 
 
And when you DO SPEND 55 Hard Earned DOLLARS and FOUR HOURS of your PRECIOUS TIME for SUCH A Travestite of a Show with a Said She Male winning a Lame Female Botchfest, 20 Minutes of an horrible "singer" "rock star" NO Tag Team Match and 21 seconds of a Joke of an IC Title, you can criticize ALL YOU WANT.

That's called not being a WWE Blinded groupie and sheep and not eating the SHIT the WWE is throwing at you in his biggest spectacle of the year !

Mania 25 = EPIC FAIL !


Posted By: 17-0 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:34 AM

 
 
no really this was not a good show 5/10 average at best

Posted By: richard (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:36 AM

 
 
"because Michaels kicked out of EVERYTHING Taker threw at him, stuff that nobody else has kicked out of. Michaels is obviously a great wrestler, but seeing him survive what many have failed to take really hurt the match for me."

So did both Edge at Mania last year and HHH At NWO This Year.


Posted By: Guest#5334 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:39 AM

 
 
What do you mean Hunter retains his title at Mania AGAIN? He hasn't won a match at Mania since WM 19. Although I wanted Orton to win. What a jerk HHH is!

Posted By: Guest#9317 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:41 AM

 
 
Worst Mania Ever. Taker HBK was the only good match. HHH blows, and Cena is gay.

ROH delivered better wrestling in Houston by a mile..And I'm not a huge fan, was my first time seeing ROH. Too bad WWE fans just want names, not good wrestling. SUCH B.S. At least TNA has fast paced wrestling.


Posted By: GWhite (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:43 AM

 
 
What the hell is wrong with everyone? Ur blaming the WWE because what u expected didn't happen? Why don't u try watching the show like a fan...like u profess to be...and stop trying to be an arm-chair booker...the show paid off the way it was supposed to...if the main event had interference, everyone would have complained...if it ended in a DQ, everyone would have complained...if u don't like it, don't watch it...then u won't be dissapointed...but then you'll have nothing to complain about.

Posted By: DeeRayMoore (Guest) on April 06, 2009 at 12:45 AM

This man speaks the truth


Posted By: Huck Holgan (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:44 AM

 
 
Hey Slimmer, Lansdell and The Family Roaster, lighten up alright? I love sites like rajah.com and 411mania.com because you guys seem less hardcore/critical about wrestling then others. I don't usually write comments on these types of things but reading this review was too much. Lighten. Up. I'm not going to say you guys are wrong in what you believe. But just... Don't look so close to the sun.

Sure, take a quick glance every once and a while, but glare at it and expect it every moment to reach you're expectations. Just be happy that yes, its there, it's generating amazing things day in an day out, and its enjoyable.

Every once in a while, sure, glance up and if you have a dislike, by all means, express it. Tell us why you don't enjoy something. But don't do it with such unreasonable expectations. It'll never reach them. But that's MY two cents. And I'll by all means keep reading yours.

Powers

P.S. Small, keep doing you're thing bud.

P.P.S.

If you expect the sun/WWE to be perfect 24 hours a day/seven days a week. Attempt to join the writing staff or change it. Because that's what it might indeed take to make the product/giant ball of gas, what you want it to be.


Posted By: Powers (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:46 AM

 
 
The Taker-Michaels Match was awesome but the rest pretty much sucked even the MITB like they honestly expect us to belive that a freaking midget was able to take out 6 men with as diving crossbody. Plus it was really blotchy, short, Anti-climatic, and unispiring.

Posted By: Ryan (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:50 AM

 
 
Oh I forgot to add, Lillian looked so DAMN FINE tonight. *fap*

Posted By: Jones (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:52 AM

 
 
I don't know about you guys but I loved pretty much every minute of this, my only gripes was JBL losing so fast, the tag match getting canned and Triple H getting the win, other that I was suprised how good this Mania turned out, and I give MAJOR props to Steamboat for his performance. You guys need to not be so over critacal :)

Posted By: Jones (Guest) on April 06, 2009 at 01:11 AM

It's called being honest.


Posted By: Guest#0202 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:59 AM

 
 
HHH/Orton was probably the worst WM main event since WM 13. Terribly slow with no real drama.

Taker/HBK was incredible and should have closed the show. Not a five star match though.


Posted By: BH (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:59 AM

 
 
You guys are way to fucking critical.... The best match was taker and shawn i would of gave the legends 3 stars for just being able to stand. Hardy vs hardy was amazing... you guys are just a bunch of fucking kids... Wrestlezone is the only true wrestling site

Posted By: Guest#9929 (Guest) on April 06, 2009 at 12:34 AM

Why bcause they didn't mark out for every match on the show???

Hardy vs Hardy was simply an average match with a couple cool spots


Posted By: random (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 02:03 AM

 
 
that jericho kid ain't over with the fans and vince shoulda brought me in to kick his ass i tell ya

Posted By: Jake Roberts (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 02:20 AM

 
 
Taker and Micheals always have the best matches on PPVs, can sell merchandise, and are WWE loyal.

So why the fuck don't they have titles? Fucking Cena and HHH... who are soooo boring.


Posted By: Guest#5703 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 02:49 AM

 
 
Rey's get-up was great you all say?????? We all groaned at the lucha-doink outfit. If you want DOINK, put him against Y2J--- that was a heads up to the following shit-fest to follow. What was great about rey's idiotic get-up?????

Posted By: BlueOyster (Guest) on April 06, 2009 at 12:53 AM

IDK...I mean after Daredevil, Flash, Silver Surfer and "Captain Border"...this just took the cake..especially when he was doing the "licking lips" Joker did all throughout dark knight and handing out playing cards to the kids

Though after JBL Quit..Rey should have appeared on the video screen and asked "Why So Serious?"


Posted By: shaun_callen (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 03:13 AM

 
 
you guys are just a bunch of fucking kids... Wrestlezone is the only true wrestling site

Posted By: Guest#9929 (Guest) on April 06, 2009 at 12:34 AM

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL


Posted By: Guest#2474 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 03:59 AM

 
 
Watched it at a friend house, first time in a long while I get to watch WM...I'm no expert on Wrestling, but it was overhyped for the 25th.

Loved the Taker/HBK match. Match is what you would expect from the likes of Shawn Michaels and Taker. Pretty much the only match I was literally hyped up and watched through and through.

I also loved the MITB match, good work by all of them. Shelton was a crazy mofo and MIDGET BOMB from Hornswoggle. Punk had to take the case again, and good for him,

I was mixed about the Legends match...Snuka looked awful, Roddy was Roddy, and Ricky look amazing. Steamboat looked like a man who looked rejuvinated. The Mickey Rourke moment was blah IMO. Please let Jehrico do something else now.

Another mixed match was the Hardys. The energy was there, the story wasn't so much. My favorite part was the chaired ToF by Matt, looked nasty.

The triple threat was good, but predictable. I'd figure Cena had the lock down on the title, given the "love triangle" angle. The angle itself pretty much made me and my friend assessed that Eddy is spinning is his grave. Guess WWE owns Vicky for like, tragic.

Orton/HHH, I dunno what to really say. It wasn't bad but not great. If you believe in RR logic, then Orton should of won the belt plan and simple. I liked how it ended cleanly...sorta. By that I mean no stupid run ins. The moment I saw the ref going down = Triple H going to hammer yo ass. Still, I still think Orton should have gotten the belt, and set up backlash...but who knows.

I hated the Diva Battle Royal. The only thing I remember, was that I had a Turkey Sandwich w/ Spicy Brown Mustard and Mayo. Oh, and that "Santina Marella" won...whoever THAT is -_-'. Seriously, the Divas are nothing but T and A...I actually watch them for the matches, and besides Trish, Mickey, Lita, and some others (whom I cannot remember at this point..) I really can't say any others are great wrestlers. Santino...I mean Santina...winning is was a spit in the face of the Divas. They deserve better than this.

Rey Rey/JBL = Fail. Now, as the Divas matches are usually a habitual failure in my eyes, this one I actually had hopes for. Rey Rey and JBL have performed some decent and great matches before...and yet somehow they traded gold for shit. I mean, on the one hand, I'm happy that Rey won the IC belt, love Mysterio...on the other...you waste 20 minutes on Kid Rock, and give 21 seconds to the IC belt. The "I quit" comment was fitting for JBL, seeing that logically he'll be back in the announcing booth with JR...which could be a good thing. JBL is a decent color commentator, and who knows.

Overall, I'd give it a 6.5/10 for WM 25. HBK/Taker ruled, Steamboat still has it, Punk has it...again, and the rest was meh.


Posted By: Masty Basty (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 04:45 AM

 
 
Yo Slimmer, there's no RKO chants at all man, keep that shit to yourself please.

Posted By: Paul Levesque (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 04:55 AM

 
 
Orton as the new Austin? HAHAHA! That would be hard to pull off normally, but in a WWE PG world? Yeah right. "Look, kids! You, too, can assault old men and helpless ladies and handcuff other people just to nail them with a hammer!"

Orton is evil. He's not cocky or arrogant or slick or any of the other things that made a minority cheer him in 2004. He's evil. He's sick. (And he's really good in the role, by the way.)


Posted By: Sam! (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 04:55 AM

 
 
I think you guys are spoiled by the Hardys. They deliver so often that a higher standard is expected. Taker v HBK was Top 5 matches ever - At least that I have seen. MITB was good - I didn't expect Punk was obvious - I thought Shelton dropping the US title was a hint that he would get it. The Santino thing was dumb - So was Rey though I am not a JBL fan so if he is really pissing off it is a good thing. Title matches were PPV worthy but not Mania standard

Posted By: Brian from Oz (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 05:26 AM

 
 
to all those who are whining "stop being so criical",
THIS WAS WRESTLEMANIA 25!! THE SILVER ANNIVERSARY!! AND IT WAS A SERIOUS LET-DOWN!! hbk-taker had me jizzing in my pants, but the rest of it just sucked big time. can't believe hhh-orton closed the show, NO-ONE CARES ABOUT HUNTER ANYOMRE! it's time to give the ball to the legend killer....oh and stick Cena back on the kiddies show, everytime i see him i kick my tv in and i think they're getting suspicious of me returning my tv every week.


Posted By: shabba987 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 05:42 AM

 
 
really could have been a great backlash (or any other than WM), but for a "showcase of the immortals" it was just too average!

taker-hbk was the savior...although everyone knew the result it was a great match.

even hhh-orton was intense, but the damn ref bump at the end left a bad taste to finish the main event

the hardys match was actually decent and above average as the played well on the extreme rules stipulation where the just want to hurt each other (therefore i can forgive that it was just spot after spot hardcore brawl)

the mitb was solid with some good spots. but i somehow felt like i've seen some of the spots already during the last mitbs



but the bullshit was overwhelming:

the 25 diva battle with winner santina was just bizzare and a complete waste of the division and time.

the intercontinental encounter can not even be called a match... plain out ridiculous

and jericho getting knocked out by rourke was just stupid bullshit


for a wrestlemania this was just 5.5/10


fun note:
i'm waiting for stone cold to get arrestet for DUI on worldwide tv ;)


Posted By: tmw (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 06:10 AM

 
 
the production was pretty poor...what was with the crummy dark blue lighting? at least it looked that was on TV. Taker-HBK should have been the main event, because it simply was!!! HHH should have lost the title to Orton ...Orton's attitude is the new Stone Cold. Cena just sucks...a wannabe Hulk Hogan.

Posted By: disappointed (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 06:16 AM

 
 
"Hardy vs hardy was amazing.."

They didn't wrestle, just did spot after spot. People get on the TNA guys for having spotfest matches but they wrestle in between the spots. Jeff & Matt just did stunt after stunt.


Posted By: Guest#2448 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 06:58 AM

 
 
worst wrestlemania ov all time

Posted By: r9 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 07:43 AM

 
 
MITB was great,but i would like to see christian take that out not punk

TAKER V MICHEALS FOR THE WIN

Everything else was ok,Edge shoulda won or orton shoulda won

STEAMBOAT IS GOD AMONG OLD PEOPLE!!!! WTF AWESOME SKILLZZZZZ


Posted By: Guest#8286 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 07:46 AM

 
 
Hardy vs hardy was amazing...


Amazing? it was a decent match but dont get carried away.


Posted By: jbardo (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 07:51 AM

 
 
Did anyone notice Matt Hardy's right arm looked all bruised and he was holding it like he was in pain. I wonder if he pulled a muscle or something. I guess we will find out today. Great show overall. Taker/HBK stole the show. HBK showed us again why he was given the moniker of Mr. Wrestlemania

Posted By: Guest#3049 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 07:53 AM

 
 
HBK/Taker was the greatest match I've seen in a long time.

...and JBL/Rey....it was almost like Rey wore the Joker mask as a message to IWC...."why so serious?"


Posted By: Dave (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 07:58 AM

 
 
You guys are fucking insane for not giving HBK/Taker 5 stars. That is the best North American wrestling match of the last 5 years. Period. And I watch WWE, TNA and ROH religiously. Nothing in the last 5 years has kept me more enthralled and on the edge of my seat than HBK/Taker.

And you guys really underrated Matt vs. Jeff. While it wasn't an all-time classic, it was certainly better than 3 stars. Matt whacking Jeff's leg with a steel chair on the Whisper In The Wind attempt was enough by itself to warrant 3 stars. Everything else just added to the match. Easily a 4 star match.


Posted By: JJ (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 08:00 AM

 
 
"The Family Roaster: It was a very, very good match, it told a great story, but it's not 5 stars because Michaels kicked out of EVERYTHING Taker threw at him, stuff that nobody else has kicked out of. Michaels is obviously a great wrestler, but seeing him survive what many have failed to take really hurt the match for me."

What a horrible reason to remove stars from a match. Let's see... why did it make sense for HBK to kick out of everything?

1) This match had more build for it than most of Taker's matches in the past decade. Maybe not as long of a build as some, but definitely more of a build.

2) Taker, though he has tried time and time again, had never defeated HBK before WM25... maybe because HBK can handle more punishment than his other adversaries? Gee, that makes sense to me.

3) HBK has always been booked (and referred to by commentators) as being amazingly resilient, meaning, what stops most men isn't going to stop HBK.

and...

4) Mr. WrestleMania.... AT WrestleMania.... shouldn't be pinned after one finisher.


Posted By: Trent (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 08:17 AM

 
 
Average at best. Unfortunately the show didn't have a Wrestlemania moment, no huge conflict resolution, no "holy shit" moment that people will remember in a few years.

Taker/HBwas good, though hardly match of the year. MITB was solid. I didn't mind Jericho/legends, though I'd have preferred for Jericho and Steamboat to have really gone at it and got some time, but it was nice to see Piper looking in better shape than he has for a while. The Rourke crap at the end did nothing for me though.

The Hardys, HHH/Orton and Edge/Big Show/Cena were nothing amazing, but again there was no real "big fight" feeling. No conflict resolution or surprise twists.

The IC title, Divas' match, and Kid Rock seemed like they were only there to burn time, which is more surprising when we didn't get the tag match. Too much of the PPV seemed like it was treading water. It might have made for passable viewing at Backlash, but for Wrestlemania I'd have expected so much more.


Posted By: Tom (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 08:30 AM

 
 
dee ray's comments are right on. I am a FAN not a promoter. HHH & Cena won so they obvioysly don't put people over (when was the last time HHH won at wrestlemania?). it pissed you off that they won didn't it???? guess what THat is what Vince wants. its entertainment. now some of you want to see it go the other way maybe at backlash. maybe they should have put taker and shawn last. maybe kid rock should have got his ass kicked by jericho who could have brought fozzy out. maybe they could dig up moolah and prop her in the corner ala weekend at bernies. maybe maybe maybe. I'd hate to play 18 holes with you guys. remember rule 62.....dont take yourself so fucking serious....smile a little and lighten the hell up Francis.

I get off work at 7 tonight and raw is on. I will lmao for 2 hours......life is good.


Posted By: ted g (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 08:35 AM

 
 
I watched it, I was disappointed.

It's possible to have a negative opinion about something without being a branded as a fanboy/n00b/can'tgetoutofyourmommasbasement and in this case I was watching it thinking "meh?" Maybe I expected too much, but this was a case of a 1 or 2 match show. Remove Taker/HBK and MITB and you are left with a decent Unforgiven/Backlash, that's all.

And I literally fall asleep during HHH/Orton. Of course, that might have been due to it being 3:30am here in the UK :)


Posted By: mr_wishart (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 08:56 AM

 
 
Michaels/Taker is the best match I have seen in the WWE. MATCH OF THE CENTURY. It does not matter that HBK kicked out of everything, because Edge did last year and it continues the story that HBK might really have Taker's number. Also, you guys are way too harsh. There is no way that this Wrestlemania is that bad. Hardys had a spotfest, true, but it told a story that Jeff wanted to do anything to destroy his brother for revenge and Matt wanted to hurt Jeff even more. Miss Wrestlemania was comedic genius but not needed. JBL/Rey was a travesty, but Rey coming out in the Joker outfit made up for it. World Heavyweight Championship was better than I expected, and Cena's entrance was awesome. WWE Title left me unfulfilled, it was a little slow at times but still a good title match. MITB was awesome, though I wish that Christian or Shelton would have won. Jericho winning makes sense, and so does the after-match events. Rourke looked pretty decent against Jericho and landed a hell of a punch on Jericho.

Posted By: Mike (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 09:44 AM

 
 
Oh, and Steamboat FTW!

Posted By: Mike (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 09:51 AM

 
 
HHH-Orton was OK as an intense, slow-build title battle. The problem is, it told the wrong story. This was supposed to be a deeply personal feud, and I thought the announcers sold that brilliantly as the match began. But there was no blood, no interference, no controversy, not enough hateful violence. However, had HHH lost by DQ he would have been vilified far worse than he is by winning.

Posted By: APinOz (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 09:57 AM

 
 
"They didn't wrestle, just did spot after spot. People get on the TNA guys for having spotfest matches but they wrestle in between the spots. Jeff & Matt just did stunt after stunt.

Posted By: Guest#2448 (Guest) on April 06, 2009 at 06:58 AM"

Which IS EXACTLY the point of an EXTREME RULEZ Match.

What were you expecting ? A 30 Minutes Angle vs Benoit technical classic ?

They DID Deliver unlike the vast majority of this april fool joke of a show.


Posted By: 17-0 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 10:13 AM

 
 
well I spent 55 dollars in high hopes that this wrestlemania would be worth it.....big thanx to comcast cable giving me a refund. W00t!

Posted By: Griff (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 10:25 AM

 
 
So, money in the bank gets 4 stars, jeff & matt get 3, taker-michaels gets 4-5.... and the show still gets yawns????? Alllighty then, wrestling snobs. I guess there is no pleasing anyone, unless every show is WM X-7 all the time.

Posted By: HMM.... (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 10:57 AM

 
 
good backlash an all right summerslam...

I think that was the best description I have heard so far. Now that I have seen it this morning, I have to say outside of Taker/HBK (which may be getting a little over-rated) mania kinda embodied MEH fully. I think the E is fully reaping the problems of only having five or six main eventers over the last two years. You can only watch Cena/Edge/Orton/HHH/HBK/Taker so many times before you say, "Okay thats pretty good, what else ya got?"

It looked like Jericho, Morrison, Punk, MVP, Hardy(s) were going to be getting that push to the top, but then all were pushed down the card. With every title on the card meaning nothing, you have no way of telling people "hey this guy is the next big deal." Hart, HBK, HHH, Rock, Austin.. all were Intercontinental champions before they started world title runs. Re-value your undercard and the main-event wont seem so dry. I think its time to end the brands and combine the titles. In the time of keeping brands and names fresh and sharp (hell even pepsi changed their whole look.) the E is feeling stale and old.


Posted By: Amp (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 10:59 AM

 
 
the only comment i read was deeraymoore's...but i'm glad i did shut the fuck up!

Posted By: tazz (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 11:29 AM

 
 
HHH winning is an absolute joke, WWE just fuc*ed up their next star in a big way. Mcmahons and HHH should just fuc* off. HHH winning wasnt a happy ending, no one wanted it hes just deluded himself by thinking him winning at the end of the 25th anniversary is fitting but it isnt he is nowhere near the level of people like Austin, Rock or even Orton. HHH and Vince did exactly what was wrong for the business well done!

Posted By: Matt (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 11:31 AM

 
 
"If this really is the year that the MITB winner doesn't win the title, I'm fine with that since Punk did it before anyway."

Mr. Kennedy never got his shot, Edge took it from him. Kennedy's supposed to be returning soon, so what better way than to have him win the briefcase from Punk?


Posted By: Bimmy (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 11:44 AM

 
 
well had high hopes for wrestlemania 25 hopin tna lockdown does better den dis piece of shit 4 a ppv

Posted By: Guest#9615 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 12:00 PM

 
 
"That really only leaves you with the Money in the Bank Ladder Match and Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker"

Could not have been said any better. Hardy vs Hardy was just ok to me with a few really good spots though. I'll never forget taker/hbk for as long as I live......and if disliked hhh before I hate him times infinity now. First the match actually went clean, and he pounds orton, then pedigree's him at the end, whooptie-doo. Also, with orton begging hhh to wait during the match, Orton's credibility as a threat to hhh is done for me, just done, let's move on to hhh vs someone else. I felt like this was supposed to be orton's WM moment, I really don't care for this feud if and when it continues.
As said mitb was good, and taker/hbk was EPIC, one of the greatest matches of all-time, forget just WM.


Posted By: cj (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 12:15 PM

 
 
I'm sorry but Money in the Bank wasn't all that good. There were a lot of blown spots and drama wise it just didn't deliver. I think the biggest problem with it though was the ladders were huge. They weren't the ladders they used the previous years and I think the added height screwed up a lot of the spots. However this was probably the second worst MITB Match yet (the one at 22 was the worst).

By the way, I don't think we can spew enough venom at WWE for giving us 10 to 15 minuets of Fucking Kid Rock. What a waste of time. The guy is irrelevant, sucks, and his performance had nothing to do with WrestleMania. At least Saliva, Drowning Pool, and Limp Bizkit, performed wrestler themes and had songs that introduced the show or accompanied promo videos. I kept waiting for Spike Dudley to come out and punch him in the nuts for steeling his look. If they would have cut out Kid Rock They could have given just five minuets of time to give each Diva 15 seconds of entrance music and a name introduction, and they could have given JBL and Rey the leftover time. God I hate Kid Rock.

Also, I was really looking forward to that tag match. God forbid they cut down on the length of some of those promo videos, they are really well done, but if I'm ordering the PPV I know what the hell is going on in regards to the storyline. If they cut a few minuets off of those they would have had time for the Tag Title Match.


Posted By: John (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 12:16 PM

 
 
Oh I forgot to add, Lillian looked so DAMN FINE tonight. *fap*

Posted By: Jones (Guest) on April 06, 2009 at 01:52 AM
------------------------------------------

Lillian Garcia looks like a duck.


Posted By: Guest#9457 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 12:20 PM

 
 
I had more fun watching Wrestlemania IX!!!

Posted By: Abismo (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 12:24 PM

 
 
oh and I forgot to mention ricky steamboat......he brought it big-time, obviouslly not as good as before but there's something to be said about a 50-something yr. old man that almost gets thrown out of the ring only to pull himself up using the ropes. I wouldn't mind seeing steamboat-jericho at backlash

Posted By: cj (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 12:41 PM

 
 
Michaels needed to kick out that many times so at least we believed that he had a chance to win the match duh....

Posted By: Jaimz (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 12:43 PM

 
 
i'm waiting for stone cold to get arrestet for DUI on worldwide tv ;)

Posted By: tmw (Guest) on April 06, 2009 at 06:10 AM

-------------------------------------

loooooooooool


Posted By: Guest#1270 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:41 PM

 
 
Loved the MITB and Undertaker-Michaels. BUT for me this Wrestlemania will always appear average thanks to the ending. The reason why it sucked that HHH win...?

*Does anyone else realise that this was the first time since Yockozuna that a heel has challenged a face champ at Wrestlemania? Should have had him walk out as a champ
*How fitting would it be that Orton the ememy of the McMahons, became WWE Champion, the 'centrepiece' of the family? Even the commentators were mentioning it?
*With Orton has champ, it would really have helped drive interest and storylines post-Wrestlemania. If numerous faces trying to beat the uber-heel.
*HHH is no more over than before. It wasn't like the McMahons celebrated with him or anything. And Orton looks like a punk.
*What was the point of the heel doing all that crazy stuff if he wasn't going to get the last laugh.

Overall, the main-event was the only match that I really cared about the result and it sucked. And we're stuck with Cena and HHH as champs. AGAIN. No worry the IWC are bored with them. Especially when you have Taker and Michaels showing everyone how it's done. And they're nearing retirement.


Posted By: AH (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 01:59 PM

 
 
now if the wwe just listened to the fans (and had some common sense) they would have put hbk/taker last......the crowd almost never recovered from that.

Posted By: deeno (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 02:00 PM

 
 
should be noted if you watc it back, MVP botched the sunset powrrbomb, not shelton. and i for one am glad it didn't come off, when you think about it a snset powerbomb of a ladder that height, inside the ring to the outside.... fuck off

Posted By: vinnie (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 02:23 PM

 
 
Which IS EXACTLY the point of an EXTREME RULEZ Match.

What were you expecting ? A 30 Minutes Angle vs Benoit technical classic ?

They DID Deliver unlike the vast majority of this april fool joke of a show.

Posted By: 17-0 (Guest) on April 06, 2009 at 10:13 AM

Was I expecting a 30 minute Angle/Benoit technical classic? Obviously not, the Hardy's aren't capable of putting on a match like that but they can wrestle to some extent. I was expecting a 20 minute intense grudge match with some great spots. What we got was a 13 minute match with nothing but spots and none of the spots were really original with the exception of the finish.

I guess they delivered, it was "ok" imo. But for a feud built on so much personal hatred you would expect some actual psychology in the match. Where was the hatred? Neither guy had any emotion in their face, it was just like they went out there with a list of spots that they were crossing off one by one.

Hardy vs Hardy at Wrestlemania should have been a lot more than what it was.


Posted By: Guest#6454 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 02:29 PM

 
 
So did both Edge at Mania last year and HHH At NWO This Year.

Posted By: Guest#5334 (Guest) on April 06, 2009 at 01:39 AM

HHH didn't kick out of the tombstone, he got his foot on the rope.


Posted By: Guest#5377 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 02:30 PM

 
 
No one should ever kick out of the Tombstone, it looks ridiculous.

Posted By: Guest#1921 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 02:31 PM

 
 
Thank God Orton lost to HHH, now please take his no talent, no charisma, bitch ass and send him back to the mid-card where he belongs.

Randy Orton makes me wanna turn the channel.


Posted By: Randy Orton is a bitch (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 02:34 PM

 
 
"They didn't wrestle, just did spot after spot. People get on the TNA guys for having spotfest matches but they wrestle in between the spots. Jeff & Matt just did stunt after stunt.

Posted By: Guest#2448 (Guest) on April 06, 2009 at 06:58 AM"

Which IS EXACTLY the point of an EXTREME RULEZ Match.

What were you expecting ? A 30 Minutes Angle vs Benoit technical classic ?

They DID Deliver unlike the vast majority of this april fool joke of a show.

Posted By: 17-0 (Guest) on April 06, 2009 at 10:13 AM




It's two brothers in a "blood feud". It shouldn't be about spot after spot after spot, it should be Jeff totally losing his shit and beating his brother within an inch of his life for taking his belt, burning down his home, destroying everything he owns and killing his dog.

If someone did that to me, I sure as hell wouldn't take the time to place a garbage can over him and then figure out the best way to kick that garbage can.

Even if he lost, he should have seemed to be on the edge, if not over it, trying to destroy Matt.


Posted By: Spaz Monkey (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 03:03 PM

 
 
if you tell a lie long enough with enough conviction to enough idiots----it eventually seems to be the truth….Triple H is the most overrated delusional-inspiring wrestler of all time. not so much because he is an awful wrester, because he is not, but because the gap between his coerced and conditioned godlike image and the reality that he is a pretty good okay wrester is so significant. Triple H winning the title completely kills Orton’s character and the next couple of months of storylines. just because he politics to always be around the title and the majority of the time winning it---does not mean he is great!!!! Count the number of great matches Triple H has hand since becoming a glorified suit and subtracted the matches involving Shawn Michaels…….what the hell has Triple H done that is of any significant mention. Triple H should be put to sleep. They did their finishers within the first two minutes of the match!!!!!!!!!!!! At least Triple H did not bleed so as to coerce the viewer into believing it was a classic!!!

Posted By: Joe (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 04:22 PM

 
 
orton and jericho should have unbelievable promos tonight.

and sorry people but santino should be freakin hilarious tonight when beth power bombs him


Posted By: ted g (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 04:57 PM

 
 
Would it of killed wwe to at least give ring introductions for the returning divas, or even to let victoria hit one last widow's peak or molly one more molly-go-round?

No wonder trish and lita stayed away - i bet molly feels stupid now going back to her old molly holly, cousin of crash and hardcore look with the blonde hair and ring atiar. Such a waste.


Posted By: gohabsgo (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 06:08 PM

 
 
I've been a Ricky Steamboat fan forever and he's always been on my list of Top Five performers all time, but I had NO idea he was still capable of that! The back-to-back armdrags alone gave me chills.

If the WWE brass knew he could still go, it's a disgrace they put him in with Snuka and Piper, who are beyond done. I don't like "playing booker", but why not just play off his classic WMIII match with Savage and let him be where the buck stopped for Jericho's legend bashing (considering his HOF induction)? Him and Jericho go eight great minutes, Flair and Rourke get their interference spots, Steamboat hits the flying crossbody (or a small package) for the pin and you have a great finish and one of those "Wrestlemania Moments" the E is always blathering about. Being beat by Rourke and the Automatic Five-Star Pair of Steamboat and Flair wouldn't have hurt Jericho a bit.

Regardless, Steamboat was a treat to watch.


Posted By: Tactix Millington (Registered)  on April 06, 2009 at 06:40 PM

 
 
Can't give five stars to match that everyone knows the outcome of before it even starts. as good as that match may be it kills the drama. It becomes a matter of not IF Taker will pin HBK, but WHEN. Impressive they could put on a dramatic match given that fundamental problem, but the problem remains. Four stars at best.

Oh, and Orton got SCREWED. Did he anger someone in McMahonagement?


Posted By: Katie Lea (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 06:51 PM

 
 
The M.I.T.B Was absolutely HORRIBLE , Mark Henry was a giant waste as expected and did not have the guts to climb a ladder at all.

CM Punk did absolutely NOTHING and just came out of nowhere getting it.

And a MIDGET KILLING Six HUGE GUYS ?

What's next, JBL Becoming Cruiserweight Rey Jokerio's official bitch in 21 seconds ?

WHY SO SERIOUS ?


Posted By: Epic Fail For Mania XXV (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 07:35 PM

 
 
"It's two brothers in a "blood feud". It shouldn't be about spot after spot after spot, it should be Jeff totally losing his shit and beating his brother within an inch of his life for taking his belt, burning down his home, destroying everything he owns and killing his dog.

If someone did that to me, I sure as hell wouldn't take the time to place a garbage can over him and then figure out the best way to kick that garbage can.

Even if he lost, he should have seemed to be on the edge, if not over it, trying to destroy Matt. "

Do you get that Pro wrestling is SCRIPTED ?


Posted By: 17-0 (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 07:39 PM

 
 
"Yo Slimmer, there's no RKO chants at all man, keep that shit to yourself please.

Posted By: Paul Levesque (Guest) on April 06, 2009 at 04:55 AM"

:)):))


Posted By: Guest#7957 (Guest)  on April 09, 2009 at 01:51 AM

 


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