The 411 Wrestling Top 5 4.29.09: Week 20 – Fan Making Moments
Posted by Michael Bauer on 04.29.2009
From Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant and the Monday Night Wars, to your first live event and even the births of ROH and TNA, the 411 staff ranks their top moments that made them a fan of pro wrestling in the latest edition of the 411 Wrestling Top 5! Check out the full article for all the details and make sure to share your own fan making moments!
Hello everyone and welcome to 411 Wrestling's Top 5 List. What we are going to is take a topic each week and all the writers here on 411 wrestling will have the ability to give us their Top 5 on said topic, plus up to three honorable mentions. At the end, based on where all these matches rank on people's list, we will create the 411 Wrestling Top 5 list. The scoring is very similiar to the Wrestler of the Week as it looks like this:
#1 Choice – 5 points
#2 Choice – 4 points
#3 choice – 3 points
#4 Choice – 2 points
#5 Choice – 1 point
Honorable Mentions will break ties, but get no points.
Also, in the case of a tie, the most votes win, regardless of where it is listed in the individual Top 5. I will also use this rule in the event that one item is mentioned more often, but is one point behind. For example, one second place vote and two Honorable Mentions will defeat simply one first place vote.
So, on to this week's topic…
THE TOP 5 MOMENTS THAT MADE YOU A FAN
In one of the most subjective topics we could possibly do, we asked the 411 Staff to give us their Top 5 moments that made them a fan of Pro Wrestling or kept them from shitting away their fandom of the entertainment. For each person who is a fan of wrestling, or anything else for that matter, there is that moment that made them say, "Hey, I like this stuff. Let me get more into it." It could be a match, a specific moment, or just some event that had that wow factor for us.
Now, being that this topic can range from the 1970's, 1980's, 1990's, or this decade because of the different ages of the 411 Staff, we will not be doing an Overall Top 5 this week. There is no right and wrong answers here, just the truthful ones.
So what did our great group of writers select? Let's find out…
Shawn S. Lealos
5.TNA and ROH starts up - Yeah, I'm going there. I am so annoyed at stupid people who think that unless you are the WWE, you suck. I get so sick of hearing people talk about these two organizations as low class and nothing promotions. People need to understand that if all that existed was the WWE, things would get stale really fast. TNA and ROH give me an alternative to what the WWE pushes out there week after week. I love the WWE, but I also like to see other things as well. It's called being a well rounded individual and people need to figure that out. ROH is not about spot monkeys or people wrestling in a gym in front of 300 people. It is great athletes putting their hearts into giving fans a great show. If you love the wrestling part of the industry, you can't help but admire ROH. If you do, I don't believe you love the actual wrestling in a show. TNA is the closest I have to WCW, which I loved until the minute Vince opened the final episode. It is different than the WWE and that is fine with me. I don't want an alternative that gives me the same thing the WWE gives me. I want different types of entertainment and between WWE, TNA and ROH, I get three different forms of entertainment and that is what keeps me a fan to this day.
4.Shawn Michaels becomes the Show Stopper - I was a HUGE Shawn Michaels fan when he was wrestling with Marty Jannetty as the Midnight Rockers in the AWA. True Story: As a little kid, I took a picture of Shawn Michaels with me to the barber and said I wanted my hair to be just like that. When the two went to the WWF, I followed them even while my interest in wrestling was fading and I reached college age. I missed a lot of his transformation into the egotistical boy toy, but remember the time he threw Marty through the barbershop window vividly. I didn't care, because he was still my favorite. When I started watching wrestling again, it was all about Shawn and Bret Hart in the WWF and I still chose to side with the bad guy Shawn. When Shawn and Hunter started tearing things up, I loved every minute. Then when his career came to an end, I was devastated. My favorite wrestler of all time was gone and I'd never see him perform again. When he returned a few years later, I leapt to my feet (still a dork) and screamed in joy. To this day, Shawn Michaels is who I want to see on my TV over any other wrestler.
3.The Von Erichs ruled Texas - These were the wrestlers who made me a huge fan of professional wrestling. For much of my youth, there was no one better in my eyes than the Modern Day Warrior Kerry Von Erich. The feuds with The Freebirds as well as Chris Adams and Gino Hernandez still reign in my memory as the greatest feuds of all time. When Kerry beat Ric Flair for the NWA World Championship at his brother's memorial card, it was a great, great moment in my memories. The tragedy that struck down David, and then Mike and then Kerry is part of what made me quit watching wrestling completely. However, for about ten years the Von Erichs were what kept me a fan.
2.The Outsiders invade WCW - As I said, I quit watching wrestling for a few years after the tragedy of World Class Wrestling but one night I was flipping channels and, by fluke or fate, saw something that caught my interest. I had quit watching wrestling but still listened occasionally to things that were going on in the industry. One guy I remembered was Scott Hall, a cowboy from the AWA that won the tag titles with Curt Henning. I knew he went to the WWF and became Razor Ramone, but I never really think I saw him wrestle a match there at all (I have seen a lot of them since). There he was sitting in the audience and I was curious. Then he stepped over the rail and said he was coming to WCW and was bringing friends. What the hell, my naïve self thought! Then Kevin Nash showed up and the "invasion" was on. I was hooked once again, thanks to the great storyline of the nWo.
1.Mid South Wrestling won me over - I live in Oklahoma so my first experiences with professional wrestling was with Mid South and World Class Wrestling. There were quite a few individuals in Mid South like Dr Death Steve Williams, Ted DiBiase and The Rock n Roll Express that made me love that federation. The wrestling was rough and tumble, a no bullshit attitude that really made me take notice. There were bigger than life superstars, like the giant Humongous, wearing that hokey mask, but he wasn't a cartoon character, he was a scary ass dude. I started watching after Magnum TA, Junkyard Dog and others had already passed through, but the time I started watching made me love the sport. From Jake "The Snake" Roberts' feud with Humongous, to great tag teams like the Rock n Roll Express, Fantastics and Fabulous Ones, to the evil Devestation Inc with Scandar Akabar, to "Hot Stuff" Eddie Gilbert introducing the world the tag team of The Blade Runners (who would later be known as Sting and the Ultimate Warrior). I couldn't have picked a better time to start watching wrestling.
Ryan Byers
5.Aja Kong vs. Chaparita ASARI (Monday Night Raw, December 1995) - In the mid-1990's, the World Wrestling Federation had a working relationship with All Japan Women's Pro Wrestling. This began with Bull Nakano coming in to the company to feud with Women's Champion Alundra Blayze. That feud caught my eye as the two had consistently good, albeit not overwhelmingly good, matches. AJW then produced a new rival for Blayze in the form of Aja Kong. Two weeks after making her WWF debut at the Survivor Series, Kong and fellow AJW import Chaparita ASARI had a match on Monday Night Raw which is forever etched in my mind. If I recall correctly, ASARI busted out a lovely skytwister press, a move not seen at all in mainstream American wrestling at the time. On top of that, Kong broke her opponent's nose with a backfist, which was definitely not to be expected in US women's wrestling. The bout left an impression on me for quite some time, enough that women's wrestling in Japan was one of the first things that I started to search for and watch when I regularly began following pro wrestling on the internet a few years later. That one showcase match on Raw got me hooked on a whole new genre of wrestling, which in some ways built up to my current enjoyment of promotions like SHIMMER.
4.Dean Malenko vs. Rey Misterio, Jr. (Monday Nitro, 6/17/96) - I missed the 1996 version of the Great American Bash, where Rey Misterio, Jr. made his WCW debut. However, the next night on Monday Nitro, Misterio and opponent Dean Malenko put on a rematch of their Cruiserweight Title bout which may have eclipsed the original. There was a reason that the work of guys like Malenko and Misterio was said to have "revolutionized" American wrestling in the 1990's, and I was immediately hooked on their groundbreaking style the second that I locked my eyes on it. It allowed me to enjoy wrestling in a whole new way, and watching the game evolve probably prevented me from getting bored with the whole sport.
3.Owen Hart turns on Bret Hart (Royal Rumble 1994) - I have told this (somewhat embarrassing) story on 411 before, but I'll do it again. When I was a kid, I loved High Energy. Yes, I was the world's biggest mark for Koko B. Ware and Owen Hart, mainly because I had ZERO fashion sense and thought their oversized windpants were the coolest things I had ever seen in my life. Looking back at it now, I was a moron. In any event, when Owen left the team, I remained a fan of his - even when it looked like he might be turning heel. He was probably my favorite guy on the roster, but part of me, even before the internet smartened us all up, felt that he would never be a main event guy because he had never gotten all that far in the company. Then, almost out of nowhere, the big turn at the Royal Rumble happened. In their Tag Team Championship match, Owen kicked Bret's leg out of his, um, leg, and a new top heel in the World Wrestling Federation was born. I was already in to wrestling pretty heavily by that point, but the fact that one of my favorite guys was finally getting a run at the top turned 1994 in to the year that I cared about wrestling perhaps more than any other.
2.Ricky Steamboat vs. Steve Austin (Clash of the Champions, 8/28/94) - This match is important to my history as a wrestling fan for a couple of different reasons. First of all, prior to this point, I had been a pretty hard and fast WWF mark. It's not as though I had watched other wrestling companies and decided that they weren't for me . . . I just hadn't seen much reason to give anything other than the Fed a shot. Then, for whatever reason, I caught the Clash of the Champions one night while channel surfing. Eventually the show came to Austin vs. Steamboat for the United States Title. I don't know if the match would hold up as a classic if I went back and watched it today, but, at the time, I couldn't believe the effort that these two were putting in to their contest. It seemed significantly more athletic than the majority of the wrestling I had watched up to that point in my life, and I dug it. It was at that point I decided to add WCW to my regular rasslin diet. However, on top of that, this was probably the match which more than any other resulted in me becoming a "workrate" fan. Starting at this point and moving forward, if it didn't involve a good in-ring performance, I wasn't going to even try to be entertained by it. Fortunately I've softened that stance significantly over the years, as wrestling is much more fun to watch without that mindest.
1.Roddy Piper Rambles About . . . Something (Undetermined Point in the Early 1990's) - Yes, it's probably pretty odd for me to list a moment that I have no precise memory of as number one. However, it really was what got me started watching wrestling, even if it was so many matches and so many promos ago that I've forgotten what it was all about. You see, I grew up on the outskirts of a small midwestern town without cable. For the majority of my childhood, we got five television stations, and some rainy weekends consisted of almost nothing aside from flipping back and forth between them until SOMETHING interesting popped up. On one of those weekends, I came across a broadcast of WWF Superstars. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper was being featured, and, though to this day I do not know what he was talking about, something in my pre-pubescent mind decided that he was the single coolest human being on the planet. I tuned back in to see him next week and the week after that, coming to enjoy more of the Fed's characters in the process. That's what began my wrestling fandom, which has lasted uninterrupted for almost twenty years now. As a result, I have to stick this promo at the top of the list, even if my mind fails me as to the specifics of the "moment."
Julian Bond
HONORABLE MENTIONS
ROH (Ring of Honor) - When the crazy antics of TNA and the WWE sometimes gets on my nerves, I thankfully turn to the best pure wrestling alternative around in the form of ROH. Definitely gives me confidence that basic awesome wrestling (minus BS gimmicks and storylines) is still alive and well.
Mick Foley - Foley is easily my favorite wrestler of all time. He may be a little off nowadays in his current TNA role, but the man has provided countless great memories for me including his crazy multiple personas and the infamous Hell In A Cell match.
Hulk Hogan - If it wasn't for Hogan in the 80s, I may have never ever turned to an episode of wrestling as a kid. The man officially made it cool to be a fan of the sport.
5.The NWO (New World Order) - Before I became fully pulled into wrestling with the rise of Stone Cold Steve Austin, I slowly got hooked back into watching wrestling as a teen with the antics of the NWO. I like everyone else was shocked as all hell with seeing the former Razor Ramon (Scott Hall) and Diesel (Kevin Nash) cross over seamlessly from WWF into WCW Land. Then when the group blew up to include everyone and their mama in the company, it became a full-blown drama to see how the remaining WCW faces can stand up to the massive mob. Watching people like DDP, Goldberg, Luger, and Sting try and fight only to get beat down most of the time every week was the some of the most fun I've ever had watching the sport.
4.ECW - The moment I discovered ECW in the middle of the "Monday Night Wars" between WWE and WCW, it opened up my eyes to the different styles of wrestling that I was totally missing out on. Seeing so many various wrestlers like Super Crazy, the Dudleys, Tajiri, Taz, Steve Corino, RVD, Jerry Lynn, and so many others tear up the house every night on the most unorthodox, bootleg looking wrestling show barely found locally on my small TV screen absolutely got me utterly hooked and first instilled in me the fact that there exists (via them and other independent wrestling companies including ROH) other alternatives to the standard WWE and WCW shows that I've so used to seeing as a youth.
3.The Dominance of Bret Hart - Bret Hart made me watch wrestling all throughout the 90s. Period. While I wasn't a die-hard fan like I am today, I was still hooked on catching wrestling whenever I could mostly because I knew Bret Hart was going to kick someone's ass. I was so used to seeing big dudes like Hogan, Taker, and Diesel (Nash) dominating everyone and to see someone like the much shorter, not too muscular Hart take it to all of these people and then some was a sight to behold. And it was even crazier that the man didn't have to use big moves to get over. He took his deep knowledge of highly skilled technical wrestling and made it into some of the most enjoyable moments in wrestling ever. A true testament to this was with his Iron Man match against Shawn Michaels. To have a kid like me be actually glued to my TV for a straight hour without alerting my natural ADD to turn the channel is a feat onto itself.
2.WCW Cruiserweights/TNA X-Division - The sight of these various cruiserweights in these divisions is literally my anchor to continually watch wrestling. When everyone's storylines are crappy and the current main eventers end up being lame, I always looked to the high flying action of the cruserweights to keep me in line. Watching SO many different styles of wrestling from all over the globe (Mexico – Mysterio, Super Crazy, ; Japan – Tajiri, Taka Michinoku, Ultimo Dragon) along with our homegrown wrestlers here (Kidman, Styles, Daniels, London, Sabin) has continuously kept my faith strong in wrestling being good. Despite not being as strong today, the sheer fact of one putting on a cruiserweight match nowadays or even going back and watching them all on DVD/tape always reminds me of why I am a fan today.
1.Stone Cold vs. McMahon - This storyline was the sole reason why I was fully drawn into watching wrestling on a full-time basis. The moment when Austin stunned the once-coveted announcer/WWE owner Vince McMahon, I was instantly hooked and made it a semi-religious ritual of tuning into wrestling on a weekly basis. Instead of being afraid to tell my friends about it, back then it was perfectly cool to discuss the going-ons of Monday Night Raw at the school lunch table. Without this storyline, I may have not been persuaded all the way just on the NWO saga alone to become a full-fledged follower of wrestling.
Scott Rutherford
HONORABLE MENTIONS
WM1 - The first wrestling I ever saw.
Funk & Foley teeing off with chairs on each other at Royal Rumble '98 - I was just coming back to wrestling after time away and watching these two just knock the piss out of each other was HIGHLY entertaining. It certainly created enough interest for me to keep tuning back in to watch. Yes, Mick Foley put my ass in my living room seat
5.Seeing my first Road Warriors squash - From some episode long forgotten of Championship Wrestling, the Legion of Doom used to just murder jobbers back in the day. I had never seen someone with their look, their presence and their attitude and coming from cartoon-centric WWF this was a shock to my fan system. What I realize now was that the NWA offered a more realistic product and that came through watching them for the first time because they brought a genuine edge to their matches. Some say the Midnight Express turned jobber matches into an art form but give me L.O.D killing hapless jobbers any day. And it only took up 60 seconds of your life!
4.Bret Hart wins the IC Title - While I was fast losing my mark status at this time and discovering about the backstage workings of wrestling and smartening up, this was the first occasion when my smark knowledge was satisfied and someone winning meant more than wrestler A beating wrestler B. This was victory as affirmation and while these moments don't happen very often, I was strangely, justifiably proud when Hart won the IC title as I knew he was being pushed as a star and rightly so. You should have seen me a couple short years later when he won the world title…
3.No Mercy '99 – Ladder Match - While the WWF had heated up again thanks to Steve Austin and the mayhem that followed him around what had been missing for a while was a must see spectacle that had people buzzing and wanting to tune in again for their next match. Edge & Christian and the Hardy's certainly provided a buzz. While there had been sporadic appearances of the ladder match since Razor/Shawn it certainly wasn't on their level, but with these four uniquely talented wrestlers they manage to restart the nearly dormant tag team scene and create a must see atmosphere when they wrestled each other. It helped cement me as a fan again after only watching cursorily for the few years before after becoming bored with the product.
2.Randy Savage nearly kills Ricky Steamboat with the ring bell - I hated Randy Savage as a kid and when I sat down to watch Superstars I was fully expecting Steamboat to walk away as the IC champ and make the world right again. So when Savage cheated to get out of losing his title by dropping the ring bell into Steamboat throat I was horrified. While I was still a fully-fledged mark this violence was a step above what I had seen before and just made it all seem more real. The subsequent revenge hunt by Bruno Sammartino and Steamboat WM3 revenge completed the picture whole but it was the original act that helped me cement my fandom and the difference between heel and babyface.
1.Hulk body slamming Andre - I first became a fan at WM1 but when Hulk picked up Andre and slammed him, it became an immortal memory and probably the exact moment I knew I was a fan for life. Time always dilutes impact of events but in wrestling terms, Andre being slammed and pinned was like the US beating Russia to the moon, it was that big a deal. The fact people still talk about it to this day with such esteem even though Hogan has attempted to sully the memory with outright bullshit shows just how special it is and why it made a fan of so many of us.
Larry Csonka
HONORABLE MENTIONS
Scott Hall Invades WCW - I was out of high school and thought that I was going to move away from wrestling. I sat there in college, finishing up some work, click on some WCW and holy shit, Razor Ramon is there! I am pulled back in.
World Class and Mid-South - World Class was one of the things I rushed home from school to watch when it was on ESPN, so it gets a mention. Also, I love all things Bill Watts from UWF and or Mid-South, many of my booking philosophies come from Watts style booking.
Cruiserweights/X-Division - I love little dudes nearly dying while doing cool moves, what can I say.
5. Mick Foley - Mick Foley is likely my favorite wrestler of all time. For some reason I have always been drawn to Mick, from the early days of Cactus Jack to Makind and even the Dude Love days, Foley was a dude that I had to watch. I also met him at Kennywood in Pittsburgh and was able to talk with him for an extended time, he was a hell of a nice guy, and that meeting validated my fandom.
4. My Discovery of Lucha and Puro - Until I found out how to get tapes, Wrestling was rather Neapolitan. But then, then I found out about lucha and puro, and I realized that wrestling was like Baskin Fucking Robbins! It wasn't just about or one two or three styles, this shit was way bigger than I knew about. I've been collecting tapes and DVDs since 1994, and now have over 2,000. Yeah, than God for climate controlled storage and the DVD burner.
3. ECW - If lucha and puro were the other 29 flavors, ECW was essentially like seeing your first porn. Shortly after finding puro and lucha, I discovered ECW at 2am or so on some shitty cable channel in Pittsburgh. I was hanging out with some friends, the parents were out of town, we were drinking and just chilling and then this shit comes on, and it was like HOLY SHIT! I saw another new side of wrestling, and it made me stay.
2. Ric Flair and The NWA - I have said time and time again that I started as an NWA fan. I watched the NWA religiously, I watched WWF as well, but the NWA was MY TEAM. Ric Flair was MY champion, he was THE champion in my eyes, and come 6:05 Saturday nights you knew where I would be. The NWA, Ric Flair, the Horsemen, the Road Warriors, Dusty, The Rock and Roll vs. Midnight Express, these are the things that help develop and form my fandom. I remember these days, I miss these days, and thank God for my collection so that I can relive them whenever I wish.
1. TNA and ROH - While Ric Flair and the boys of the NWA made me a fan, and the other things on this list KEPT me a fan, there was a time back in late 2001 or so that I was close to giving it up. WCW and ECW were dead, WWE was stale as shit, I wasn't getting as much new material as I was due to being newly married and with the news of a baby on the way, I relied on the TV product. It was simply a point where I was not that excited about the product, and I was starting to not watch. But then in 2002 ROH and TNA were born, and while not perfect (they weren't) they gave me the variety I wanted, the fresh talent I wanted, they changed wrestling, and in my opinion for the better. I came close to giving it up, but they pulled me back in, and I am glad they did.
Jeremy Thomas
HONORABLE MENTIONS
Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart (WrestleMania XII) - This is probably my favorite 'Mania match of all-time. Shawn Michaels...well, we'll talk about him in a few, but putting him against Bret for a solid hour was like a dream come true for me.
WCW's Cruiserweight Division, circa 1997-1998 - I had only just recently gotten back into mainstream wrestling after a couple years out, drawn back in by the nWo. While that was all well and good, it was Rey Mysterio Jr., Kidman, Juventud Guerrera, Chris Jericho and the rest who really got me back into being a hardcore fan.
Hulk Hogan vs. The Ultimate Warrior (WrestleMania VI) - Back in the day, this was phenomenal. I was a huge Warrior mark, and pretty much everyone were Hogan marks. This was a great match that reminded us all what an event match truly was.
5.Raven/Tommy Dreamer feud, ECW - During my time off from the Big Two, I had gotten interested in the indies, and ECW was the one that caught my eye. Raven had hometown hero cred for me, having spent time in Portland wrestling, so I paid him more attention and was instantly enthralled with his feud against Dreamer. When he left for WCW I was really sad, because it meant the end of an amazing feud.
4.Shawn Michaels - Bar none, HBK is my favorite sports entertainer of all-time. Ever since the days of the Rockers I was totally into him as a performer, and I enjoyed following his career all the way through his breakup with Jannetty and his rise as the cocky asshole heel. He's always been a consummate performer who could make ANYONE look good in the ring with his selling. When he left the 'F following 'Mania XIV I was sad to see it, and his eventual return had me doing cartwheels. No one can top the Heartbreak Kid in my book.
3.Mankind vs. The Undertaker (King of the Ring '98) - C'mon, honestly who DIDN'T mark out hard for this one? We can talk about Hell in the Cell for hours, but this is one of the truest "HOLY SHIT" moments in wrestling (as we covered a couple of weeks ago). Foley nearly killed himself--twice--to get what he considered to be a doomed match over, and people were talking about it for months. Myself included.
2.Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant (WrestleMania III) - I had seen other wrestling matches before, but this was the first one I truly remember as clearly today as I did then. I actually wasn't supposed to be up, but my parents and brother were watching and I snuck downstairs to peek around the corner into the living room so I could watch. I actually got discovered after I exclaimed something when Hogan bodyslammed Andre, and I got in trouble. It was well worth it, though. I would have been a wrestling fan anyway, but that made me a die-hard fan for life.
1.WrestleMania XIX - Why is WrestleMania XIX at the top of my list, even ahead of the defining moment when I became a fan? Very simply, I was there. Oregon has always been very uptight about pro wrestling, and for a long time when other states had no restriction, they required drug testing for touring wrestling companies. The WWF and WCW simply said "Okay, we don't need you" and avoided Oregon for years. When 'Mania XIX came to Seattle, my brother and I went to see it, and it was my first live major wrestling event. I remember every single moment. I remember yelling my throat hoarse during Michaels vs. Jericho, and marking out like a 12-year-old fanboy at a Dragonball convention when Piper showed up to interfere in the McMahon/Hogan match (again, Piper's a hometown hero--funny fact, I used to work with his daughter at a call center). I remember gasping and thinking that Brock had killed himself with his botched Shooting Star Press, and so did people around us. Literally, the girl two seats down from me screamed. It was the high point of my fandom to date, and while I've attended other live events--Unforgiven '04 where 'H beat Orton and a couple house shows) they will never trump my one and only WrestleMania attendance to date.
Michael Bauer
5.The nWo is Formed - I gave WCW a shot when they went to Monday Nights and I was ready to give up on them. Then out of nowhere we see Scott Hall jump ship, followed quickly by Kevin Nash. This didn't make me a fan of anyhting, but kept me a fan of WCW probably about two years longer than I would have been otherwise.
4.The Attitude Era begins - Stone Cold proclaims his version of 3:16, the formation of Degeneration X, The Rock smells what everyone is cooking… all of these kept me in as a fan back when WCW got really stale and I was ready to pack it entirely. But between Austin's antics and everything else, I started enjoying watching the programming again. Probably with the exception of my number one choice, nothing pulled me into the entertainment more than this moment.
3.My First Ring of Honor Show in New York City - I remember this date like it was yesterday. August 25th, 2007… Manhattan Mayhem II. I was lucky enough to upgrade from my last row seat in the balcony on the Manhattan Center to the front row thanks to a very good friend of mine. That night was unreal, because while I had been an outside RoH fan for about a year, this show made me a fan for life of Ring of Honor. I couldn't top the atmosphere or the electricity of that night… until RoH debuted in Hammerstein Ballroom.
2.My First Ring of Honor Show - It was May 12th, 2006. My only reason for going to this show was because Christian Cage was showing up. Now, at his point, I was getting very tired of the WWE bullshit and TNA was starting to disappoint me. Again, I was ready to walk away from the entertainment. But the I saw this show. And while everyone told me this was one of the worst Ring of Honor shows ever, I didn't care. This was the best wrestling show I had ever been to at that time. I mean, for me to be watching wrestling for four hours and actually have over three hours of it be actual wrestling, I was blown away.
1.WrestleMania VI: Warriror vs Hogan - I was seven years old when this match happened and I don't remember how I saw this match, but I was just awe struck. It was the first wrestling match I had seen and being that young, I was auto-hooked. The match just seemed bigger than life and it was then, almost 19 years ago, that I became a fan of wrestling. Of course, when I was seven, I thought it was all real. It definitly took me a few years to realize it, but I wouldn't trade those years of being scared to go near a funreal home for fear of the Undertaker stealing me away for anything.
Aaron Hubbard
HONORABLE MENTIONS
Sting beating Vader for the World Title: - I can't tell you the exact date, but this is the first match my older brother saw, and he loved it. If it were not for him falling in love with wrestling, I never would have been introduced to it.
5.Wrestle War '89: Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat - The first wrestling DVD I ever bought was ‘Triple H: The Game'. I was still a huge mark for the guy (and still am to a lesser extent), but what intrigued me was that it said "Triple H's favorite match". I watched this match for the first time, and even though I was used to a somewhat faster pace, I enjoyed this one tremendously. I've watched this match several times since then and as far as I'm concerned, no better match has ever been caught on camera. The pacing, the moves, the psychology, the personality, the drama, the work, the execution. It's perfect. This is the standard right here.
4.Wrestlemania IX: Lex Luger vs. Mr. Perfect - Not the match itself, as I've actually never seen it. And it's actually the fact that I didn't see it that made me a fan. One of the tapes me and my brothers would rent was this one. My mother always told my older brother to fast-forward this match. The reason is obvious: Luger's scantily clad valets. However, to me it was a mystery. She also wouldn't let me watch matches with blood. And for several years, we weren't allowed to watch wrestling period. The fact that this was "forbidden fruit" kind of gave wrestling a mystique to me, and made me determined to see as much as I could.
3.Best of 2001 Special - At the end of 2001, the then WWF had a special program where they would show the top 10 matches of 2001. All but one of those matches were on PPV and thus beyond my ability to see. I HAD to watch this, but my brothers weren't interested, since it wasn't live. I ended up watching Austin-Rock, Taker-HHH and TLC II from Mania, Angle-Shane from KOTR, and Benoit-Jericho from Royal Rumble. Destined to become a nerd.
2.Summer Slam: Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H - I've discussed this match and it's effect on me a few times. At the time, I was just getting back into wrestling, and still a huge mark. I didn't know a thing about star ratings and the closest thing to recognizing psychology was that I understood that Ric Flair would hit a chop block and a shin breaker before applying the figure-four. However, when I saw this match, I was in absolute awe. And for the first time, I started thinking of matches in terms of quality instead of hype.
1.Bash At The Beach: Ric Flair vs. Hulk Hogan - As mentioned earlier, my older brother is largely responsible for getting me into wrestling. And this is the big match that he wanted to see, so we would go to our local Dillions and rent the show all the time. A lot of older fans grew up wishing that they could see this dream match. I was lucky, because this was the first big event going on when I got into wrestling. I watched that match probably a dozen times. I knew these two were larger than life. Hogan was the ultimate good guy, Flair the ultimate bad guy. I was hooked.
Join us next week when we start the month of May, which will be a completely themed 411 Wrestling Top 5, as we look back at the greatest matches in Wrestling History. Next week will be the Top 5 Intercontiental Title Matches.
4.Dean Malenko vs. Rey Misterio, Jr. (Monday Nitro, 6/17/96) - I missed the 1996 version of the Great American Bash, where Rey Misterio, Jr. made his WCW debut. However, the next night on Monday Nitro, Misterio and opponent Dean Malenko put on a rematch of their Cruiserweight Title bout which may have eclipsed the original. There was a reason that the work of guys like "Malenko and Misterio was said to have "revolutionized" American wrestling in the 1990's, and I was immediately hooked on their groundbreaking style the second that I locked my eyes on it."
These two put on some terrific matches around that time. Made people actually give a shit about the cruiser weight division in WCW at that time. Prior to the boom period that began around that time, life pursuits (and the prevalence of a crappy product both companies had been producing for a few years)pushed me away from the "sport." Of course, the hype over the NWO helped in drawing me back, but it was guys like this who kept me watching and helped me regain my love for the business. And I haven't stopped watching since, though the product is a bit sucky at times....
Posted By: Guest#8203 (Guest) on April 28, 2009 at 11:29 PM
my 5:
DOn Muraco vs. Tito santana in a no rules match at madison square garden from 1982?? or something
I was at the match where iron sheikh beat bob baklund, then i was fron row at MSG for the Hogan win over the iron shiekh!
I remember being a kid watching the famous Piper/snuka pipers pit with piper destroying snuka with the cocnut and the pineapple..
I was at the match where rocky johnson and tony atlas became the first black tag champs...
ric flair and the original gorseman (ole, arn and tully) fueding with the roadwarriors, dusty, nikita, magnum t.a...that got me into nwa..
there's others that got me into wrestling but reading your lists..makes me feel old!!!
i think of being a kid, watching big john studd and the body slam challenge..
seargent slaughter fueding with ivan koloff and nikita koloff, irons sheikh and volkoff singing and pissing everyone off..
junyard dog and george the animal steele making us laught..
kamala being a freak
afa and sika!
jake the snake, macho man, ricky the dragon, mr. wonderful paul orndorf..
such great characters!!
ivan putski, ken patera, even hillbilly jim when he came in..good stuff!
every saturday night was nwa/wcw time!
wrestling rules and keeps me young!
i still mark out..and i'm 35!
Posted By: grizzly (Guest) on April 28, 2009 at 11:31 PM
Awesome topic! Mine is Savage turning on Hogan. You know, when tongue depressors went flying everywhere. I was like six when it happened, and had been watching for a few years before that but I don't really remember it. But that moment will always be burned in my memory.
"THOSE EYES RIGHT THERE LUST ELIZABETH!"
"I'LL LEAVE BECAUSE I WANNA LEAVE!"
Sting beating the shit out of the nWo on a weekly basis in 1997 is a runner-up.
Posted By: The REAL MP (Guest) on April 28, 2009 at 11:31 PM
Excellent lists guys. I was a latecomer to wrestling as I was 20 when I started watching and these four things are why.
4) Build to No Way Out 2001 - I use to flick onto RAW every now and then but I got hooked during the NWO build. Austin-HHH and Rock-Angle made me buy...
3) No Way Out 2001 - AWESOME PPV. Here I was thinking this shit is amazing (3 stages of Hell and Rock-Angle, plus the IC Fatal Four Way) and how it could get any better. Of course that was followed by....
2) Build to WM X-Seven - specifically Austin-Rock and "My Way"
1) WM X-Seven - That was it, I was completely hooked after this, even though I was pissed at Austin's heel turn (not that I knew what to call it then haha).
After the above four things I thought if this is what I get every week then this is amazing... of course it's been a downhill run ever since hahaha.
Oh well, watching old school Flair/Steamboat and the like has made it worth it though
Posted By: Pidgeo (Guest) on April 28, 2009 at 11:36 PM
"Bar none, HBK is my favorite sports entertainer of all-time"
You couldn't put wrestler? Really?
Posted By: Guest#5886 (Guest) on April 28, 2009 at 11:42 PM
Honorable Mentions:
Sheik vs. Slaughter Boot Camp Match
ANY Road Warriors squash match (loved how the Ironman intro lasted longer than the match, lol)
Freebirds vs. Von Ericks
5) 3/28/1987 "The Mulkeys won a match...the Mulkeys won a match"
4) Piper's Pit with Snuka - I was buckled over in laughter.
3) Skoaland throwing in the towel (Backland loosing to Sheik) - This marked my last match of being a total Mark and opened the door to Hulkamania which, whether I like it or not, made wrestling what it is today.
2) 1983 A Flair for the Gold
1) 1985 T.A vs. Blanchard "I Quit Match"
Posted By: T-Mirk (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 12:39 AM
@ Guest#5886:
I didn't put "wrestler" because there are people who's work rates I have appreciated more than Shawn. I also didn't put straight "entertainer" because there are people with better promo skills. But for complete package, sense of showmanship, overall presence, ability to pull one out in the clinch sell, etc. etc. etc. it's Shawn. I was just trying to be clear I suppose. Thanks for reading!
Posted By: Jeremy Thomas (Registered) on April 29, 2009 at 12:49 AM
5. Wrestlemania III
4. Ultimate Warrior defeats Hogan WM VI
3. NWO
2. Mankind
1. ECW - 2am on MSG those were the days.
Posted By: Phil Donahue (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 12:56 AM
My choice:
Andre beats Hogan for the title on SNME. As a kid I was always a heel fan. Even then I hated Hogan. This was the first World Title change I ever saw and my biggest markout moment. I still think the finish with the twin referees was brilliant.
Flair winning the 1992 Rumble. Ric Flair was my favorite wrestler at that point and winning "Hogan's Title" in the fashion he did went a long way into making him my favorite wrestler of all time.
Mick Foley winning the title. Foley is another one of my all time favorite wrestlers. While I was already a massive wrestling fan, this might have been the single biggest markout moment I ever had. Nobody ever deserved it more than Mick.
Seeing Barely Legal. I had never seen anything like it. That show instantly hooked me on ECW and eventually lead me to search out other promotions.
Flair vs. Steamboat: Wrestle War 1989. I could put any number of Flair or Bret matches in this spot. Around 1995-1996 I started to become a 'smarter' fan and rented videos whenever I could. Flair's matches made me appreciate the sport of pro wrestling in addition to the entertainment side I had always been a fan of. The bonus of Funk's post match involvement is why I picked this one over a half dozen other fantastic matches that could have been placed here.
I also have to mention the Hart Foundation's 1997 run, with special attention to the Canadian Stampede 10 Man Tag. I was already a huge wrestling fan for years at that point, but never before, and likely never again, was so invested in the characters as I was during that time. The Stampede match is still my favorite match ever.
Posted By: Guest#6041 (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 01:00 AM
5. My first WCW live show in 1993
4. Douglas/Steamboat Vs Hollywood Blondes
3. Rude VS Steamboat
2. Ron Simmons wins world title
1. Sting VS Vader feud!!!
Posted By: Bunkhouse Buck (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 01:15 AM
i only have two. wrestlemania 3-savage vs steamboat. i was 7 when i was in after school program. we watched WM3 in the auditorium. savage/steamboat blew my little mind.
my second choice was the FOUR FREAKING HORSEMEN. 4 cool bad guys that dominated. it was unheard of.
Posted By: rey (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 01:41 AM
Mine are:
Honourable mentions:
The first time I witnessed the Road Warriors demolish two jobbers. The size and look of these two were fantastic through the eyes of a kid.
The Blue Blazer. The first time I saw the masked Blue Blazer he reminded me of a masked superhero. He moved around the ring with amazing speed and agility that I had not seen in the WWF before.
Mr. Perfect's vignettes. I LOVED these vignettes, especially the one with Wade Boggs. Hennig was absolutely PERFECT.
5. Tito Santana vs. Greg 'the Hammer' Valentine in a cage match for the IC title. I remember watching this is a child and cheering as Tito kicked the cage door into 'the Hammer's' face before he dropped to the floor to win the title.
4. Savage vs. Steamboat. I remember watching Savage to the elbow drop with the ring bell onto Ricky's throat. The payoff at WMIII is still the bar by which all Mania matches are judged.
3. Hogan vs. Warrior. The first time I saw two true good guy main eventers go head to head. A very underrated match as these two may not have been technical wrestlers, but they both knew how to tear the roof off a building.
2. Bret vs. Owen. Two brothers feuding over jealousy. These two had great technical matches that today's wrestlers should study.
1. Hogan vs. Rock. I was at the Rogers Centre when these two legends went head to head. Rock was supposed to be the face but the fans were exploding for Hogan. Rock was smart enough to revert to his heel tactics and the two put on an amazing match.
Posted By: Blind Zorro (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 01:50 AM
5.TNA and ROH starts up - Yeah, I'm going there. I am so annoyed at stupid people who think that unless you are the WWE, you suck. I get so sick of hearing people talk about these two organizations as low class and nothing promotions. People need to understand that if all that existed was the WWE, things would get stale really fast. TNA and ROH give me an alternative to what the WWE pushes out there week after week. I love the WWE, but I also like to see other things as well. It's called being a well rounded individual and people need to figure that out. ROH is not about spot monkeys or people wrestling in a gym in front of 300 people. It is great athletes putting their hearts into giving fans a great show. If you love the wrestling part of the industry, you can't help but admire ROH. If you do, I don't believe you love the actual wrestling in a show. TNA is the closest I have to WCW, which I loved until the minute Vince opened the final episode. It is different than the WWE and that is fine with me. I don't want an alternative that gives me the same thing the WWE gives me. I want different types of entertainment and between WWE, TNA and ROH, I get three different forms of entertainment and that is what keeps me a fan to this day.
lol wut
Posted By: Guest#6515 (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 10:17 AM
THE TOP 5 MOMENTS THAT MADE YOU A FAN
HBK .
DX .
Anything involving :
EDGE .
or /and .. JOHN CENA .
WM 24
These were a few of the things that got me hooked , and kept me there .
Posted By: Stephanie (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Monday Night Wars got me into wrestling
Stone Cold, The Rock, Kurt Angle, Taker, HBK, HHH, Goldberg, Sting, the nWo and the rest kept me into wrestling
No Way Out 2000 and 2001 - HHH/Cactus is my favourite match ever, and Rock/Angle was amazing to watch leading onto my favourite PPV of all time like many others WM X-Seven
2003 I stopped watching altogether but then....
Orton and Edge got me back into wrestling around the Rated RKO period
WWE, TNA and RoH keep me around these days though only to watch particular wrestlers. However watching some of the older stuff has definately kept the fan in me alive....
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 03:03 AM
In chronological order:
1. WrestleMania 3. My Dad had a bootlegged copy (I'm Australian), which I found one rainy day and I was hooked.
2. Bret Hart. Easily my favourite wrestler of the 90's.
3. The WWF Magazine - mid 90's. Strange choice? Yeah, but this was the most up-to-date info you could get in Australia for many many years.
4. WrestleMania X7. I had lost touch with wrestling for 5 years or so for one reason or another and this was the first big event I got to watch and, well, it completely massacred my expectations. Even now, there aren't many cards that can hold a candle to it.
5. Bryan Danielson v Nigel McGuiness, Driven 07. I had read about this match on The Observer, and at the time I was recently becoming interested in star-ratings, etc. I had never heard of ROH, and neither of these guys, but needless to say that match opened my eyes to the wrestling ROH had to offer.
Posted By: AngryTas (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 03:22 AM
My Top Five:
WrestleMania 6 - The first wrestling event I ever watched. I was nine and The Ultimate Warrior became my hero.
The Rock beating Mankind at Survivor Series '98, turning heel to win his first World Title - I hadn't watched wrestling since just Wrestlemania 11 (because it was shit). The Rock made me interested again.
Vince revealing himself as the Higher Power - I remember the end of that episode of RAW like it was just yesterday, "It's me Austin!"
The Hardys vs Edge and Christian - Terri Invitational Ladder Match - I had never seen anything like this at the time.
Summerslam '92 - Because I was there in Wembley Stadium so high up I could only see the ring with binoculars, but luckily the security office was through the window behind me with Sky Sports on. Bret Hart vs British Bulldog remains one of my favourites to this day.
Posted By: Scott (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 04:07 AM
For me:
5) Flair vs Sting Clash of Champions 1. This is the match that made me hooked as a fan
4) The NWO. I knew about Scott Hall going to WCW but it was still cool to see.
3) Flair vs Steamboat Class of Champions. Two out of three falls. First time I was ever tired from watching a wrestling match.
2) Ultimate Warrior slamming Andre The Giant. I know Hogan slamming him is the more popular one but it was at a house show at the Los Angeles Sports Arena and it was still stunning to see.
1) Savage vs. Steamboat Wrestlemania III. One of the best matches ever.
Posted By: Erik W (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 08:16 AM
Hogan hulking up while in the camel clutch of the Iron Shiek...then lifting him up and slamming him into the turnbuckle...and eventually winning his first WWE title at MSG.
as a kid before the internet and dirt sheets, it was the ultimate markout moment. Think i was watching it on Channel 2 in NY at like 11 or 12 at night on a saturday....it was great stuff!!
Posted By: billy (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 08:58 AM
5. Hogan joins the NWO- I had just come back to wrestling after about five years off. This (along with another storyline) kept me around.
4. Austin vs. Bret- This is the other storyline that hooked me in 96-97. From Austin calling Bret out to the WM I quit match to the US-Canada war in the summer of 97, this feud was awesome.
3.NWA house shows- From the mid 80s to early 90s (when I quit watching), NWA/WCW/Georgia & Mid Atlantic Championship wrestling would come to town once every two months. WWF would come once a year. Back when televised wrestling was mainly squash matches and promos, and PPVs were limited, these house shows offered some closure to feuds you would see on TV. In 1986, the Rock n Roll Express and Midnight Express wrestled 4 straight cards here, escalating from a straight tag match, to Texas tornado match, to anything goes, to cage match. The booking made you feel like you had to go see the matches.
2. Austin vs. McMahon- The most entertaining storyline/feud I have ever seen. It spanned 1998-2001 and lead to some of my favorite moments in pro wrestling. The night after WM 14 to the Valentine's Day Massacre in particular was really must see TV.
1. Wrestlemania III- The first PPV I ever got, the two biggest mark moments of my youth (Steamboat and Hogans win).
My grandparents that had not watched wrestling since the 50s came over and watched to see Hogan and Andre. It was the biggest deal in wrestling in the 80s and it felt like it.
Posted By: Officer Angel (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 09:05 AM
Yo, Lealos. Where the hell you at? I have lived my whole life in Tulsa and grew up on Mid-South/UWF.
Hell, I cried when it went under.
That was wrestling.
Saturday nights watching WCCW from 10.00 to 10.30, Mid-South/UWF from 10.30 to 11.30 (checking WCCW during commercials) and finishing with WCCW from 11.30 to 12.00. Man, that was heaven.
Sometimes, I would even watch the wrestling on Univision that came on at midnight after that. Strange stuff.
Posted By: David (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 09:06 AM
And how the hell do you get access to ROH in Oklahoma? Through the net?
Posted By: David (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 09:08 AM
5) Tatanka vs Kwang and the IRS destroying the headdress angle from a superstars in the early 90s. First thing I ever watched wrestling wise that kept me hooked.
4) Monday Night Raw- "The Early Years" Staying up late one night a week to catch wrestling was very special to me.
3) Tie with nWo/crusial weight era Nitros and WCW saturday morning/evening broadcasts on TBS that I would never miss.
2) HBKs return. I was gradually loosing interest in Triple H's awful return and the lame new NWO. When HBK came back at Summerslam 2002 I was a kid again.
1) ECW - Watching ECW when I was only 8 years old and thinking it was "REAL" wrestling.
Posted By: AG Awesome (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 09:09 AM
Just for the record. "Modern Day Warrior" = The BEST DAMNED Gimmick in Wrestling...EVER!
Posted By: pjlx911 (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 09:28 AM
My #1 is Hogan/Warrior at WM6 but not the match itself. We had just gotten cable for the first time a few weeks before WM6, and the Prevue Channel was running ads for it non-stop, with Mean Gene hyping the event. I was 8 at the time and it seemed like the biggest deal in the world. I didn't get to order it, but the next morning on the school bus it was all everyone was talking about. I was hooked.
Posted By: s1rweeze (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 09:38 AM
My five:
5 - Going to my first ever matches in Oregon and seeing Buddy Rose and Matt Bourne tear it up in what, if memory serves, was an incredible fued.
4 - Seeing the Road Warriors debut one fine Saturday. OMG those two were intense and frickin huge and were unstoppable. From 7th grade until I was about 16 I had wrestling posters that covered my walls from floor to ceiling and one wall was dedicated to nothing but Road Warriors.
3 - PWI. I can't believe none of you guys mentioned the PWI family of mags. As a youngster there was nothing better than getting the new issue and reading every word. And the match results were great as they exposed us to other wrestlers that we couldn't see on TV at the time.
2 - the nWo. I grew up as a huge NWA fan and when the nWo was formed I hadn't watched regularly for awhile but the nWo made me watch every week and as my son grew if made him a fan as well.
1 - RIC FLAIR. Seeing him for the first time in the late 70's while living in California on TBS made me think this stuff was real. And everytime he wrestled some jobber and said "NOW, we go to school" and put the figure four on I marked out like a little kid is supposed too.
Posted By: Guest#3995 (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 09:40 AM
I like this topic, because it shows that even pompous smarks were once marks. (and that's not a bad thing).
Nobody got drawn into wrestling because of the athleticism or the workrate -- they got drawn in by one storyline that made them think that this shit was worth watching. Even if later they wanted to see Benoit vs Malenko in matches, it was Hogan vs Andre, Hogan vs Warrior, Rock vs Austin -- STORYLINE-based feuds, that put their asses into the seats.
I had seen some WWF in the early 80s, but didn't become a fan until I moved to Georgia in 1984 and watched the Horsemen formed in 85. The Dusty ankle-breaking and the Tully/T.A. "I quit" match were the two that solidified me as a fan for life (for better or worse).
Posted By: Jimbob Jones (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 10:46 AM
3 moments from the 80's and a couple from the modern era...
5. Garvin beats Flair '87 - All summer long, I had been wanting someone to beat the hell out of Flair. As a kid, I just thought he was the biggest douche ever and just wanted someone ANYONE to take him down a peg. The man with the hands of stone, Ronnie Garvin, did just that inside a steel cage in a great hour-long match. I was a happy camper.
4. The Phenomenal One - When Impact started up on FSN, AJ was one of the reasons I kept tuning in. He was and continues to be just dynamic.
3. Dr. Death finally wins the big one - I was overjoyed when Dr. Death Steve Williams finally won the UWF title from Big Bubba Rogers and then never let go of the belt. What a warrior.
2. Steamboat beats Savage at WMIII - I absolutely hated Savage for what he kayfabe did to Steamboat leading up to Wrestlemania. When Ricky beat the Macho Man, I thought it was justice. THAT'S CALLED A RECEIPT, BROTHER!!!
1. The Rock's promos - I wanted to be the Rock in 2000. I missed out on a lot of the great Stone Cold moments in previous years, but thankfully the Brahma Bull kept me tuned in and really made me become a fan again after about a decade layoff.
Posted By: JMAC (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 11:04 AM
I grew up in Michigan and got hooked on Wrestling during the build to WrestleMania 3. I ONLY watched WWF from 1987 until 1994 when I added WCW to my diet. All wrestling was real shitty in the early to mid 90's and I almost totally gave up on it until I discovered ECW! Then Razor Ramon and Diesel invaded WCW, WWF took off their kid gloves and found an Attitude and I was hooked again.
My Top Five Fan Making Moments:
1.) Andre turns on Hogan, demands title shot.
2.) Macho Man doing ANYTHING. I loved that guy.
3.) The Undertaker does what so many others could not, he pinned Hulk Hogan and killed Hulkamania. Didn't last but the idea excited me.
4.) ECW! ECW! ECW! ECW!
5.) "You people... you know who I am. But you don't... know why... I'm here!"
Posted By: JTX (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 12:00 PM
5. Rey Mysterio wins the World Heavyweight Championship. The crown jewel of a storied wrestling career.
4. Mick Foley finds out the literal definition of pwnage as he gets hurled like a javelin off the Cell at KOTR 98. Enough said on this one. The most cringe-worthy moment ever in wrestling.
3. Eddie Guerrero winning the WWE Championship. Great match, and great moment as Eddie finally took his rightful place on top of the WWE world.
2. Undertaker and HBK make the wrestling world their bitches at Wrestlemania XXV. Seriously, this match gets my vote as Match of the Decade. Off the chain crowd, both wrestlers from Texas, nice bumps, counters, and HBK kicking out of the Tombstone? Need I say more? Ok, how about Taker kicking out of Sweet Chin Music twice? Epic match that made me a fan all over again.
1. Mick Foley wins the WWE Title on RAW- Sentimental pick, this was when i first started watching wrestling. Great match as The Rock put Foley over, and who the hell didnt mark out when Stone Cold helped Foley beat Rock for his first ever title? Great moment as a tireless worker that has given so much of his body to his wrestling career that it is immortalized forever.
Posted By: TheEndofAllThings (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 12:59 PM
I can't think of five moments, nor even the moment that made me start watching wrestling, but there's one moment that kept me from stopping, and why I'm still here now.
June 27, 2002: Kurt Angle issued an open challenge, which some guy name John Cena accepted. My thoughts: "Who the hell is John Cena? This guy's going to get killed. This is why I'm giving up on wrestling."
Except Cena held his own. I was watching and I was glued to my seat and I totally thought at some points Cena was going to win. The match was entertaining and unpredictable, something I hadn't seen in a while. I still credit Cena as being the one to make me love wrestling once again. Some people hate him, but he's one wrestler I'll always mark for.
Posted By: quattre777 (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 12:42 PM
5. Little promotions step up - Competition is great, but what's better than competition than having more places for more wrestling? There are NINE hours of free, NEW wrestling on every week from three very different promotions (and that's not including replays and PPV!). This means every indy worker in the US has three small goals they can set, which means we get the chance of possibly seeing the next great new star...with TNA and RoH both filling the WCW and ECW gaps, we're seriously heading towards another renaissance in wrestling.
4. "Who's your daddy, Montreal!!" - The screwjob was a pivitol point for me as a fan since I wasn't a huge WWF fan at that point...I grew up old school with territories, the NWA, and WCW. But once I heard about this on the old WWF vs. WCW message boards (IWC since 96, bitches!), it turned my attention to the other guys...not only was the true life story intriguing, but I wanted to see what was going to happen onscreen...and what happened was the Attitude Era.
3. Sting is The Crow - I grew up watching the NWA and WCW and rarely watching WWF. So, when Sting decided he was not going to pick a real side in the WCW vs. nWo war, he removed his colorful paint and attire and became the Crow. While the payoff was terrible, seeing what Sting may do next was my reason for keeping the channel on TNT Monday nights, up until my previous entry happened.
2. The Rise of Heel Jericho (late 90's WCW, late 00's WWE) - I put both eras here because it's the two people talk about most when it comes to Jericho's great work as a heel. In WCW, he completely redefined the chicken shit heel (remember him going to the LIBRARY OF CONGRESS looking for the NWA rule book? Fucking priceless). In WWE, he has redefined the "true" heel...he doesn't entertain you, he just wrestles for you, but it's all about me, that thing...and both runs he was a top guy for his character (well, as top as he could be in WCW). Jericho is my hero and the reason I got trained and into the business.
1. Ric Flair vs. Dusty Rhodes in a cage for the NWA World Heavyweight Title - First match I ever recall watching, and it hooked me immediately. Even back then, though, I was a smark...I immediately took to Flair. His look, his style, the way he talked, the way he wrestled...that one match made me a fan instantly and I put Flair & Dusty as my #2 & #3 of all time for that reason. My #1 is at #2...
Posted By: Ramsey (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 12:48 PM
I can't believe no one mentions the Ultimate Warrior beating the Honky Tonk Man at Summerslam, there was nothing cooler than that at the time!
Posted By: guest (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 01:01 PM
There are moments that keep making me a fan of the business time and again, even when I get cynical as all hell. So here are some of my favorites. (I'm going with chronological order).
STeamboat v. Savage: Many watched the show for Hogan/Andre, but it was the IC title match that stole the show. This was as good of a match as I'd seen at the time, and even today it still holds up very well.
Flair v. Steamboat series: Some may say it's impossible to have three perfect matches in a row, but those two did it in early 1989. All three are five star matches, and all built well upon each other. Plus, at the end of their final match, you get the angle to end all angles, Funk's attack on Flair and the subsequent face turn.
NWO invasion: From May to about October of 1996, this angle was about as perfect as you can get, starting with the mystery and ending up with the takeover of the company.
Austin 3:16. The promo that not only made a career, it began the revival of the WWF.
"As god is my witness, he is broken in half" To this day, I don't know how Foley survived the first bump at the 1998 Hell in a Cell match, let alone the second unexpected one. Foley not only survived both, he finished the match and came back the next evening.
Heat Wave 98: This was the first ECW PPV that I had ever seen, and it was a very impressive one and instantly made me a fan of this new and exciting forum.
Terri Invitational Tournament: This was supposed to be nothing, just a brief blowoff between two feuding teams who were stuck in the midcard. When all was said and done, the WWF had four new superstars and an insane new type of match.
Homocide & Cabana: Those two had feuded from late 2005 and early 2006, becoming more and more brutal to each other. In particular, Homocide was living up to his name, while Cabana was becoming more and more serious. They culminated in a Chicago Streetfight, which featured all the stops, including a chair riot.
Edge dives through the flames: I didn't think it was possible for the WWE to compete with ROH for sheer insanity, but Edge proved me wrong by delivering an apron to flaming table spear on Foley, becoming a superstar in the process.
Posted By: Michael L (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 01:30 PM
1. ECW - 2am on MSG those were the days.
Posted By: Phil Donahue (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 12:56 AM
You said it brother. I remember setting my VCR and getting so pissed when it got pre-empted for some kind of bullshit. IIRC my first ECW match was Eddie Guerrero v 2 Cold Scorpio and I was hooked.
5) KOTR '96. The reason I first cared about Austin was solely because he kicked that pretty boy Marc Mero's ass. Plain and simple. Plus one of the most criminally under-looked WWE changing matches ever--The first Undertaker v Mankind match.
4) Eddie, Dean, and Rey. Even my dad, who hated wrestling, loved these guys. These were the guys who first showed me what wrestling could be.
3) The nWo. It got cool, and I would never have to hide my love for wrestling again. Until Katie Vick.
2) ECW. When WWE and WCW were totally kid stuff and at times looked so fake it was embarrassing, ECW was wrestling for me. Hard hitting, blood, hot chicks, cursing. Raven + Tommy + Sandman + Taz + Sabu + Beulah = Awesome. The only wrestling I felt like could never afford to miss.
PS: My favorite moment of the last couple of years was at last years Rumble when the crowd was chanting for Tommy. It brought a tear to my eye.
PPS: I hadn't purchased a PPV in 5 years until the first One Night Stand. Thank you, Paul.
1) The Undertaker. The dude was dark when most of what was going on around him was clown shoes. The first wrestler I ever really latched on to. I don't care how old he is, the guy could wrestle until he's 90 and I'd still mark out for the dead man.
Posted By: Guest#1659 (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 01:16 PM
I LIKE this list! Lots of variety among the panelists.
Posted By: James (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 01:41 PM
Personally, I gotta go with the almost Austin/McMahon match where Dude Love interferes and turns on Stone Cold. My brother had just introduced me to wrestling and while I watched WCW, I caught this on one of the Saturday morning recaps and was like, "Holy crap, there's another wrestling organization?"
Staying up late and catching ECW on one of the public access shows by accident also helped hook me in.
Posted By: Guest#5857 (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 01:42 PM
5. Hogan slams Andre (probably the only positive memory that I have left of Hogan).
4. Rock/Hurricane skits - sold me that all of those damn backstage bits, when done properly, can be entertaining.
3. Mick Foley winning the title. Tony Schiavone's comment made me watch this, and even though I knew what was happening, I still loved every minute of it. He, along with Benoit, were favorites that I never thought would win THE title. When he won, I knew that maybe (maybe) there was a chance for other hard working wrestlers (i.e. crowd favorites) could win.
2. Piper's Pit/Snuka - it was the first time that I remember talking about wrestling with my friends. Up until that point - I had been a closet wrestling fan.
1. Savage/Steamboat and the injured throat. It was at this point that I thought - you know, these guys are for real (yes I was a kid, but up until then, it only looked like acting). Today - if someone pops a shoulder out of socket or blades heavily, we are kind of immune to that from a wrestling show standpoint. But this was the first legitimate looking injury that I had seen, and I anxiously turned in the next week (and many following weeks) to find out how Ricky was doing.
Posted By: Slammy Award Winner BobbyC (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 01:46 PM
Great lists all around. Mine, and in no particular order.
1) Ric Flair vs. Sting vs. the Great Muta vs. Terry Funk in an electrified steel cage - as a kid, the reality of this was unfathomable.
2) Goldberg beats Hogan for the belt. - I don't care what anyone says, this was a total mark out moment.
3) My discovery of Chikara - proof that creativity is still out there and wrestling is, and always will be, about fun and entertaining the fans.
4) Discovering Dragon Gate via some clips and highlights at the end of a japanese deathmatch video from RF video that my girlfriend ordered for me. It was a highlight package at the end hyping RF's video library and the moment I laid eyes on Dragon Kid and C.I.M.A. I was hooked.
5)RAW is Jericho - Y2J makig his debut interrupting the Rock mid promo, best WWE moment since the peak of the Attitude Era
6) Catching ECW on at like 2 a.m. way back when
7) Hulk Hogan's Rockin Wrestling - as a kid, even better than the real thing
8)Stumbling onto other wrestling fans in random places and then talking for hours about the good ol days and quizzing eachother to see who knows more useless trivia.
9) Taunting Bull Buchanan so mercilessly at a house show in Columbus, GA that security had to literally restrain him after he attempted to jump the guardrails to come get me (I was hammered and said some very obscene things about his momma)
T-10) Those little orange MUSCLE toy wrestlers and WWF Thumbwrestlers - I still have JYD and Nikolai somewhere on one of my desks.
Posted By: massdestraction (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 02:05 PM
Lealos, right on, baby! Mid South Wrestling was, without question, the single greatest wrestling promotion of all times. End of story. I was lucky enough to grow up in South Louisiana, and at age 5, my older brother introduced me to what seemed like a comic book come to life. These heroes were real, I could see them in person once or twice a month in Baton Rouge! Junkyard Dog, Ted DiBiase, Hacksaw Duggan, Butch Reed, Rock n Roll Express, Jim Cornette's Midnight Express, The Fantastics, Kimala, Magnum TA, Mr. Wrestling II, Terry Taylor...the list goes on and on. This was the federation in which to prove your mettle. No bullshit, no gimmicks, just straight-up, hard-nosed, smash mouth wrestling. There will never, ever be another Mid South, let's just rejoice that we were there to see it happen.
Posted By: Mid South Fan (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 02:12 PM
I started watching in late 1995 and was hooked within mere months, so my choice on what MADE me a fan will be from that condensed timeframe.
5. nWo. I was a diehard WWFer through and through, but damn if this angle didn't have me switching channels on Monday nights. Having been a huge Diesel mark didn't hurt.
4. The Pillman Gun Incident. Unbelievable segment which showed you could do more on a wrestling show than just wrestling.
3. Mankind/Undertaker feud. I had watched old videos to get a feel for the Taker and had never seen him challenged like Foley did. They would beat the shit out of each other, and did so from April to November on a consitent basis. That's long-term booking.
2. Iron Man match/Shawn Michaels' 1996 run. If my number one hooked me on wrestling, this solidified the love. Just an unbelievable contest at the first WrestleMania I witnessed. Following that, the Heartbreak Kid WAS the WWF to me; my man Bret was gone and I fully supported HBK. All I wanted in life was to be Shawn Michaels.
1. Bret/Diesel - Survivor Series '95. "Watched" this via old school PPV (where you could hear it but it was scrambled) and thought it sounded amazing. The table bump blew my mind and I couldn't wait to rent the video. This was the first PPV to take place during my time as a fan and I always look at this show (and this match in particular) as my genesis in pro wrestling.
Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 02:23 PM
5- Mega Powers form at SNME
4- Savage wins the title at WMIV (even if the ppv isn't great)
3- Piper's Pit returns at WMV
2- Angle & HHH fight over Stephanie McMahon
1- Edge cashes in Money in the Bank
From all the times my interest waned and what ultimately brought it back...
Posted By: M:-X (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 02:29 PM
I guess I could add as an addendum Chris Jericho.
I stopped watching in mid-2006 right after One Night Stand. I had no access to cable and with ECW starting up, Raw moving to USA (and cancelling the Bottom Line recap show I depended on) and TNA gaining ground I couldn't maintain my fandom solely on SmackDown. So I stopped watching.
I get cable in early 2008 to watch the Cubs and lo and behold, Chris Jericho is tearing shit up on Raw with Shawn Michaels in the angle of the year. Like George Costanza once said, "I'm back, baby!"
Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 02:48 PM
Michaels getting powerbombed by Sid 3 times on the Raw after WrestleMania XI. To me, that was truly unpredictable as I thought the feud between HBK and Diesel would continue for months, with Michaels eventually going over. Instead, Michaels "gave Sid the night off" and gets 3 powerbombs for his trouble, Diesel makes the save and we have the first singles face turn for the best wrestler ever.
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 03:23 PM
5. The Undertaker - The coolest gimmick ever
4. Early 80s AWA - Sunday mornings. The earliest I remember seeing wrestling. I still wasn't really a fan at this point, but I sort of knew who the top guys were.
3. Slaughter vs Sheik, boot camp match - The first match I can remember really marking out for.
2. The Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiase promos - When I was a kid, I wanted to be Ted Dibiase when I grew up. Now its 20+ years later, I am grown up, and I still want to be Ted DiBiase.
"Nobody got drawn into wrestling because of the athleticism or the workrate -- they got drawn in by one storyline that made them think that this shit was worth watching." Posted By: Jimbob Jones (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 10:46 AM
Not exactly true:
1. Steamboat vs Savage, WM3 - Saw a VHS copy my older brother picked up somewhere. At the time, I kind of knew who Ricky the Dragon was, had no idea who Savage was, and knew nothing of the backstory beyond what they showed on the tape. The actual match, however, was like nothing I had ever seen, and I wanted more. This match turned me from casual interest to full-fledged fan.
Posted By: saneiac (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 03:51 PM
My 5:
5) Heel Rocky busting on WCW's top stars catchphrases. We could discuss any number of Rock promos here, but I thought this one was intriguing because I grew up in a time where territories didn't really acknowledge each other. When WWF and WCW were at war with each other, many verbal jabs were thrown, but this was my favorite. Rock was just so damn gifted on the mic.
4) Mankind-'Taker Hell In A Cell. The match that really showed me (and maybe all of us) just what these guys are willing to do to entertain us. We should never lose sight of the fact that these guys could be working any number of safe jobs, but they chose to risk their lives and their futures just for our approval.
3) Piper's Pit. Piper always made me laugh when I was a little kid. I loved his feud with "Adorable" Adrian Adonis, but I was a big fan of heel Piper. I loved when beat Snuka with a coconut and then smashed the banana on his face. Keep in mind that I was just a few years old, and wrestling was more tame back then.
2) Savage wins his first world title at WM IV. I don't expect everyone to agree, but Savage's father (Angelo Poffo) ran a territory near me, so I'm a little biased. I used to watch Savage main event on our local ABC affiliate and us kids would even watch him work outs at a local gym. When he won the I-C title against "Chico" Santana, I called all my friends to make sure they'd seen it. But when he pinned DiBiase at WM IV, we were beside ourselves as our local hero made good.
1) The Lawler-Kaufman feud. I grew up watching Memphis wrestling, and I became hooked watching these 2 little clowns (Kaufman and Jimmy Hart) antagonizing Lawler. I immediately was told by family that it was "fake," which made me love it even more that these guys were pretending to be mean to each other.
Posted By: The Logical One (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 03:56 PM
A million LOLs at people calling TNA, aka WWE-lite, an "alternative".
Ring of Honor, I get that, they are different. TNA is the same junk with older wrestlers and new guys who (save for Styles & Joe) aren't good enough for the WWE. ooooohhh sign me up.
Not.
Posted By: O'Dog (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 04:20 PM
for me:
5. the Hardys, Dudleys and E and C: While I almost never watched WWF during the Monday Night Wars, I do remember that I would switch back and forth to see what these guys were doing. The three best tag teams EVER as far as I'm consider. It's really the only time I watched WWF when it was cool to watch WWF. (although I think I somehow had watched some stuff from 1994 during the Monday Night Wars, since I remember Razor Ramon, Michaels and Yokozuna)
4. Survivor Series 2006: this is a terrible PPV. However, since I had not watched wrestling for OVER FIVE YEARS at this point, when I saw the SS06 dvd, I was impressed as hell. It had some AWESOME new guys I had never heard of (Batista, Kennedy, Cena, (was unimpressed with Orton until he started punting people in the head)), a few guys I knew despite basically never watching WWF/WWE (Undertaker, Triple H, Michaels, Kane) and lots of my favorite wrestlers from my childhood (Benoit, Booker, Flair, Piper, ARN ANDERSON, RVD etc.)
3. The Smackdown Beat the Clock Sprint. In early 2007, I officially watched wrestling programming on tv again. I happened to start watching with one of the best episodes of anything related to wrestling ever. That was an amazing episode where every match, if given a bit more time (and a couple of them didn't even need more time) could be a really good PPV match. I've been watching WWE since then.
2. The entire original NWO storyline. I don't think this needs to be explained.
1. Watching Ric Flair betray tag team partner Hulk Hogan in WCW around 1994 or 1995: The first time I saw anything wrestling. I went to see SOMETHING WCW related (Nitro? a house show?) and I saw Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair as a tag team. Flair betrayed him at some point in this match. I wanted to see Hulk get revenge. That is how I got hooked to wrestling in the first place.
Posted By: Big Lantern Ghost (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 04:20 PM
Great column! I became a wrestling fan at 7 and got immediately hooked whe I saw Savage attacked by Jakes snake!
Also Vader/Rey Jr. made me a WCW fan, RVD/sabu made me a ECW fan, X Division made me a TNA fan and Danielson/Briscoes made me a ROH fan.
Oh and Maniac Mike made me a huge fan of GCW!
Posted By: L I A M (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 06:31 PM
4. Hulk Hogan's Rock 'n' Wrestling. Remember that? The first time I saw it was on VHS and I know it isn't the same as any other moment, but this actually made me a fan because to a nine year old who just started watching wrestling, this was cool and funny.
3. Hardyz/E&C ladder match. At this point, I had never seen the Razor/Shawn ladder match and so to me, these guys revolutionized the match and did something no-one else had done, at least in my eyes. This match got me hooked on all four of these men.
2. The Blue Ring. My first glance at wrestling was WCW on TNT after Cartoon Network went down at 8pm. I never got to watch a full match until a year later, but I remember glancing at the TV before I had to go to bed and seeing some guy wearing black and white going down to this blue ring. I later found out it was Randy Savage as part of the nWo and it was then I started to annoy my mother into letting me watch the show with my older brothers.
1. Raven vs Jericho - Halloween Havoc 1998. I saw this when I was eight and was only allowed to watch one match before I had to go to bed. I thought Jericho was funny, cute and got caught up in the hype at the end of the match where he made Raven tap out to the Walls. I thought this guy was amazing and sneakily watched any wrestling I could find after that moment.
Posted By: Sara (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 06:52 PM
OK, my 5 cents:
5. The WCW Cruiserweight division. When wrestling came back to New Zealand TV, we were treated to the high flyers who took my vague memories of the Blue Blazer and turned them up to 11.
4. Jake the Snake Roberts delivers a Longfellow worthy promo at Wrestlemania 6."I'm going to make you beg. You're going to get down on your hands and knees. You will be the one that grovels for the money. And how appropriate... that the money you grovel for is your very own. Wallowing in the muck of avarice."
3. The debut of the Blue Blazer in WWF. If there was one thing that hooked me into WWF, it was the Blue Blazer. While every other match in the later 80's was a million rest holds per minute, here was a guy countering armbars with flips and jumps. Kind of ironic if you see my number one.
2. Jericho debuts on Raw. I loved Jericho on WCW, both as a heel and as a face. But the fact he got given a chance to interrupt the Rock on his debut, and that he had the coolest intro in the world (with some great camera work, by the way) was just a mark out moment for the ages.
1. Sting descends from the rafters. Considering I loved Owen Hart and competing with this trick would be his demise, I have to mention that Sting coming out of the rafters was one of the most incredible sites of all time.
Posted By: Ray Church (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 10:10 PM
I became a fan one saturday afternoon when I was 14. I was changing the channels and caught sight of a wrestling show. I had seen it on before but never paid any attention to it. But this day they had a match on featuring Big John Studd & Ken Patera taking on Andre The Giant & S.D. Jones. Studd & Patera beat up Jones, then beat up Andre the Giant and cut his hair. I couldn't believe what I saw. Andre was this huge man with an afro and these 2 villains beat him, cut his hair, then it seemed like they were gloating over it. I wanted to see Andre get his revenge. A few months later the WWF came to my hometown with the main event of Andre the Giant versus Big John Studd. I bought my first ticket and have been a fan ever since.
Posted By: Ghost of Marlon Brando (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 07:56 PM
1. Piper hits Snuka with a Pineapple
2. Snuka jumps Don Muraco and tears his suit off
3. Kerry von Erich vs Ric Flair
4. The man called Sting
5. WCW Nitro
6. Accidently finding ECW on TV
7. The NWO
8. The internet
9. Stone Cold Steve Austin
10. Chris F'N Hyatte
Posted By: Chris - Louisville, KY (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 08:26 PM
Great lists, folks! I'm so glad to see so many positive-minded replies to this, with people sharing their own lists, instead of complaining and claiming that these lists are "wrong", in some way. It's nice to see what made each of us a fan.
My 3 Fan Making Moments are easy, and I was actually just reviewing them over the past week.
3 -- Andre turns on Hogan, DiBiase offers to buy the WWF World Title off of Hogan, with the Hulkster replying "HELLLLL NOOOOO!!!!". Hulkamania was in full-swing at this time, and I ate it up just like every other kid in the neighborhood.
2 -- Terry Funk delivering a piledriver to Ric Flair through a table. As a kid, I simply thought that this was not possible. It raised the bar for serous-minded wrestling, while I was a young fan.
1 -- Chris Benoit vs. Kevin Sullivan. This is the match that got me back into wrestling. I was well versed in kayfabe at the time, but I still felt this was real beyond comparison. I didn't find out until years later how real it was.
Honorable mention goes to the end of Wrestlemania 20, but I wasn't watching at the time. A damn shame, too! Also, the concept of the War Games match, and Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio from Halloween Havoc '97.
Posted By: CanadianCrippler (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 09:18 PM
when i was a kid living in n.d. i was crazy for wrestling although i cant recall who i was wacthing. then we moved to orlando in 72 and i got hooked on gordon solie and championship wrestling with dusty rhodes[the franchise player if you will]harley race mike grahm/steve kiern barry windan and a young guy called ric flair. as a teen i stopped watching. early 97 my stepson made me a fan again. thats when i first saw bret hart. the raw before wm13 when bret knocked vince on his ass...the match with stone cold...the next night brets heel turn respect speech ...reforming the hart foundation.ive been watching ever since. thank you hitman for everything
Posted By: mr x. (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 09:21 PM
1. Macho Man(seeing him win at wrestlemania 4 started it 4 me/ innnovated)
2. Bret Hart(It didn't matter if it was ic,tag team or championship this man showed me things that I never saw. and gave me great wrestling matches that I will never forget)
3. WCW NITRO 95-2000(Had to watch bret win the title finally, actually like nitro before the nwo came along. even though the nwo did make it better.)
4. NWO (If it wasn't for bret,savage and the royal rumble I dont know if I would of been watching wrestling but I know that the nwo would of made me start watching it)
5. ECW (It was just crazy, 13 years old staying up just to see this crazy one hour show. I dont like rock music but I even like the rock music in ecw especially Taz. Love the no commercial either).
honorable mentions: RAW, Hogan (was never a huge hogan fan but I cried win he lost at mania 6, and like to alway's see him), Royal Rumble (I just cant wait for it to come up every year and my first was 1990 which I loved and I continue to love the rumble every year. I am a royal rumble mark
Posted By: Hartfan (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 10:49 PM
I became a fan the night I watched the Saturday Night's Main Event where Savage faced Honky Tonk Man. I think it was the same episode, or shortly thereafter, that Hogan "lost" the title to Andre, who then gave it to Ted Dibase. I never imagined this fake sport that I looked down on the other kids in middle school for watching could be so entertaining.
Reasons to keep watching: I really liked Brutus Beefcake for his character, but Bret Hart and Chris Benoit made me care about what happened in the ring.
Posted By: Beefcake New York (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 11:00 PM
To the commenter asking where I am at, I grew up in Yukon, OK and live in Norman, OK now.
To the commenter asking how I get ROH in Oklahoma, I went through a spurt where I bought the DVDs regularily and got hooked that way. I followed it through the DVDs.
To the commenter sarcastically asking how we can consider TNA an alternative to the WWE, it is more like WCW than WWE and I miss WCW. I still have my VHS recordings of the original TNA PPVs when they were first starting out.
Posted By: Shawn S Lealos (Registered) on April 30, 2009 at 12:46 AM
i think a top 5 list of the best finishers would be a pretty nifty idea to do in the near future
Posted By: tony danza (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 02:40 AM
Honarable mentions:
- Mick Foley
- The Undertaker
- Bret Hart
- Stone Cold Steve austin
- The Rock
5) King of The Ring 98 - I saw this PPV, I was laying sick in a Hospital bed, i was flipping the channel's and a local TV network was showing it... It been year's since the last time I saw wrestling, and then... KOR, HIAC, First Blood, WOW! This Rules!!!
4) RVD vs. Jerry Lynn (ECW 98-99) They define that every championship title match, should feel like a Main Event.
saying "Fuck the business has really change!..."
3) Wrestlemania XIV Promo - On an episode of Raw, a wrestler by the name of Steve Austin, coming to the ring and telling Mike Tyson to his face... "Go Fuck Yourself!"
2) WrestleMania 17: SCSA vs. The Rock, it reminded me of Hulk Hogan vs. Randy Savage... Only With Full Tilt Ball's!
1) Wrestlemania 18 - ICON vs. ICON, the day I became a Die Hard Fan!
Posted By: Fear_Inc (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 10:09 AM
There are just too many moments to name. In no particular order:
Hogan slamming Andre (didn't see it when it first happened but even today seeing the footage and I feel like a kid again)
Savage attempting to repeatedly elbow drop Jake Roberts on SNME
Shawn throwing Marty throught the Barber Shop Window
British Bulldog joining WCW and getting into the main event scene with Sting against The Masters of the Powerbomb (I thought that was such a cool name!)
Ahmed Johson showing up at the end of Raw days before his Survivor Series debut and slamming Yokozuna! I believe he did it again at the PPV.
Scott Hall showing up on Nitro
Nash showing up on Nitro
Hogan being their mystery partner
Shawn's in-ring return - SS '02
Hogan vs. Rock - Mania X8
Benoit's Mania World Title win
Posted By: MachoManFanStill (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 10:47 AM
6. Accidently finding ECW on TV
Posted By: Chris - Louisville, KY (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 08:26 PM
HAHA. LOL!!!!! Me too! found it by accident.
Posted By: MachoManFanStill (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 10:53 AM
1. Bret/Diesel - Survivor Series '95. "Watched" this via old school PPV (where you could hear it but it was scrambled) and thought it sounded amazing. The table bump blew my mind and I couldn't wait to rent the video. This was the first PPV to take place during my time as a fan and I always look at this show (and this match in particular) as my genesis in pro wrestling.
Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest) on April 29, 2009 at 02:23 PM
Definitely remember this. Diesel's promo the next night is one of my favorite moments. It started "I'm back!" One of my best friends and I talked about it days later and for the next few weeks when calling each other, when we answered the phone, the other would start the conversation with "I'm back!" just as Diesel said it that night after Survivor Series! LOL. Man, I wish I was a kid again.
Posted By: MachoManFanStill (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 10:57 AM
I could go on forever but this'll be my last comment...I think!
Benoit vs. Sullivan on Nitro - I believe it was "Falls Count Anywhere". Maybe not. But these guys wrestled everywhere including in the bathroom! I was around 12 (maybe 13) and they had me GLUED to the TV. That's a match I'll never forget. I'm glad I can focus on one show now but I miss the good old days of flipping between Raw and Nitro.
Posted By: MachoManFanStill (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Bret Hart winning 3 matches in one night to become King of the Ring. Champion Bret had great matches, but seeing Bret claw his way to the top was inspirational. I would rather watch Bret take everything that Bam Bam Bigelow could give and still win with the roll-up than Undertaker/Michaels for sheer transcendant tenacity.
Posted By: Victory Roller (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 05:16 PM
Great column.
My 5:
5.Coliseum Video - Started watching around 1989, 90 and this feed my ever growing hunger
4.Ultimate Warrior - I was 12 and he just seemed electric. My favourite as a kid, his entrance music still makes me tingle, and I'm 33 years old!
3.ECW - Stopped watching wrestling for about 3 years when my brother said I should check out this wrestling show on late at night. First episode I saw, Brian Lee chokeslams Tommy Dreamer about 20 feet through four tables. I was hooked all over again
2. "kept them from shifting away their fandom of the entertainment" was Mick Foley and the Rock - Whilst Stone Cold led the Attitude era, the guy that kept me watching was Mick Foley. He made me believe that you didn't have to be 6ft 10 and have the body of a WBF guy (WOW! The WBF was really shit). He also made me read books, something I hadn't done since I was at school.
The Rock on the other hand, just seemed to have everything, look, ability, mic skills, and as I got older and wiser, the fact that he often jobbed to others to make them look great, (Brock, Goldberg anyone) never made him any less in my eyes. As a wrestling fan I really misses him.
1.Hogan vs Earthquake (Summerslam 90 I think) - In the lead up to this, earthquake had broken Hogans ribs with his sit down squash move. During the match he squashed him over and over, Hogan hulked up, won the match and I was freeking out like a 7 year old girl on acid. So thank you John Tenta (RIP), you and Hogan made me love wrestling.
Posted By: Rich (Guest) on May 01, 2009 at 07:34 AM
You wrote:
"we asked the 411 Staff to give us their Top 5 moments that made them a fan of Pro Wrestling or kept them from shitting away their fandom of the entertainment!
Did you mean shifting away their fandom? I think I prefer what you said.
Posted By: Rich (Guest) on May 01, 2009 at 07:38 AM
Hon Mention:
Owen Hart and late 80's Stampede
Discovering ECW
80's wrestling mags (the only way at the time for me to know about Flair, Road Warriors, Von Erich's, etc)
5.The mid to late 80's WWF tag team scene
4.WWE DVD's and YouTube (finally getting to see matches I had previously only read about got me back into wrestling)
3.The emergence of Bret Hart as a singles star, 1991
2.The Monday Night Wars--the NWO, Austin, et al
1. The build to Wrestlemania 2 (Funny, right? But it was the hype surrounding this event that first got me hooked)
Posted By: vegaswilde (Guest) on May 01, 2009 at 02:53 PM