Forgotten Favorites 04.30.09: Backlash 1999 - Undertaker vs. Ken Shamrock
Posted by Jim Grimm on 04.30.2009
In the midst of a war between the Corporation and the Ministry, these two squared off at the first installment of Backlash. Could the World's Most Dangerous Man make the Phenom tap out?
Welcome back, wrestling fans. It's time once again to shine a light on the matches that haven't gotten their proper recognition in wrestling history.
Are you thinking that it's about time for a lame introductory paragraph? Then you're in luck!
The evil master of wrestling history, who rules from his titanic towers of evil, takes great joy in robbing his followers of cherished memories. He has even gone so far as to wave his billion-dollar wand on more than one occasion in an attempt to completely erase particular pockets of time. Well, we, the people, have refused to stand for such injustices, and as a result, I have been called upon to right the wrongs of time.
In case you're wondering, yes I have realized that I have the magic golden touch. It is no coincidence that mere days after writing about Edge and Randy Orton both men became World Champions. I am clearly responsible for their recent successes.
For those of you who saw Backlash, I hope you walked away as satisfied as I did. Aside from an excruciatingly long Khali/Santino segment, we had a solid night of wrestling action that featured some great matches. Christian-Swagger was superb, Matt and Jeff did some great stuff together, and I feel like Cena and Edge were able to freshen their act up and pull out all the stops.
With Backlash '09 in the books, this week I want to turn the clock back ten years to take a look at the first Backlash event. Most people remember the night for the WrestleMania rematch between Stone Cold and The Rock, but there was an undercard match that offered some interesting technicality for the Attitude Era.
Who wants great wrestling?
Backlash - April 25, 1999
Undertaker vs. Ken Shamrock
HOW IT WENT DOWN
On March 28, 1999, the fifteenth WrestleMania event was held in Philadelphia. On that night, Steve Austin seemed to finally gain his retribution in the war against Vince McMahon and his Corporation, defeating The Rock for the WWE Championship. But just as McMahon's issues with Austin seemed to be fading, things were just heating up between the WWE owner and Satan. Er, The Undertaker.
On the night after WrestleMania, The Undertaker and his Ministry of Darkness stormed the ring to take WWE Women's Champion Sable hostage. When Taker threatened to destroy Vince's "precious meal ticket," a hesitant Vinnie Mac made his way out to the ring. By the time he realized it was all a set-up in order to lure Vince away from the backstage area, it was too late. Vince ran to the back to discover that his (at this point) green-to-the-screen daughter Stephanie was nowhere to be found.
Witnessing his boss's despair, Corporation member Ken Shamrock pledged to find Stephanie and return her safely to her father. In his match shortly thereafter with Brood/Ministry member Gangrel, Shamrock beat the holy hell out of the vampire dude, repeatedly demanding to know where Stephanie was being held. After Gangrel tapped to the Ankle Lock, red lights began flashing to signify an oncoming bloodbath. But when the lights were returned to normal, a blood-soaked Shamrock had destroyed all three Brood members and had trapped Christian in the Ankle Lock. Since Canadian vampires have a low tolerance to pain, Christian revealed that Stephanie was in the basement of the arena. Shamrock went off on a rampage and, finding Stephanie just where Christian had said, returned her to a gracious Vince McMahon.
Since moving pictures can be more entertaining than words, here's a video recap of Shamrock's one-night-only Lancelot impression. And despite what you see in the video, this was before WWE programming had Stephanie McMahon's name written all over it:
On Raw the following week, Undertaker informed the crowd that there would be a sacrifice that night. Remember that this was during the time that Undertaker drank blood and executed children. Taker suggested in so many words that the sacrifice later that night would be Stephanie McMahon, and this obviously did not sit well with the chairman.
Later on Raw, Ken Shamrock, fresh off of saving the day a week prior, took on the Ministry's Viscera. During the match, the lights went out and the Ministry rushed the ring, brutally attacking Shamrock. Undertaker looked on as his Ministry dragged an unconscious Shamrock backstage and threw him into the trunk of a car before driving off. Afterward, Shane McMahon instructed the Corporation not to go after Shamrock, since this might have all been an elaborate trap of some sort by the Ministry.
The reason for taking Shamrock out of the picture became a little clearer later when the Ministry came out for their sacrifice. Instead of Stephanie, Undertaker had abducted Ryan Shamrock, the sister of the World's Most Dangerous Man. Ryan wasn't who Taker had in mind, but the Deadman claimed to see Stephanie when he looked into Ryan's eyes. Check out the evil in the video below:
One week later, the Ministry was having some issues with Jeff Jarrett and Owen Hart. During a match that pitted Jarrett and Hart against the Acolytes, the entire Ministry rushed the ring to administer a beatdown. The Undertaker claimed that if he couldn't have Stephanie, he'd settle for Debra instead. But before any inappropriate zombie molestation could take place, Ken Shamrock hurried out with a baseball bat in hand, clearing the Ministry out of the ring. But Taker made sure to remind Shamrock that he still had his sister, and that he could find her in the boiler room of the arena.
When Shamrock made it to the boiler room, he found the bizarre Mankind comforting his sister. But the family reunion didn't last long, as the Ministry soon appeared and jumped both Shamrock and Foley. For the second week in a row, Shamrock was beaten senseless and dragged off by the Ministry. Not long after that, Shamrock was tied up to the Undertaker's symbol at ringside, about to be made "one with the darkness." With the Ministry crowding around, Taker changed his mind and decided that, due to revealing information to Shamrock, Christian should be sacrificed instead. That didn't sit well with the other Brood members, who were suddenly engaged in a brawl with the Ministry. During the confusion, Shamrock managed to untie himself and join the brawl, fighting off the Ministry while Undertaker made his escape.
Soon after, Shamrock was out in the ring again and demanded that Undertaker confront him face to face. Taker obliged, and when Shamrock seemed to have the upper hand, the Ministry rushed in to take him down. Fellow Corporation members Triple H and the Big Bossman then came into play, pulling Shamrock out of the ring and seemingly away from harm... until Shane McMahon gave them the order to administer their own beatdown to Shamrock. Kenny's time in the Corporation was apparently up.
The following week on Raw, Shamrock was a man on his own. During a tag team match between the Acolytes and the recently Ministry-departed Brood, Shamrock interfered with a baseball bat, giving the Acolytes a piece of his mind. Later that night, Shamrock defeated his former tag team partner as well as former fellow Corporate team member in the Big Bossman.
And so with both the Ministry and Corporation at his throat, Ken Shamrock was doing everything he could just to survive. With McMahon's ingratitude and the Ministry's torment of his family, it's easy to see how Ken Shamrock could have been driven a bit off the deep end. But the World's Most Dangerous Man got his chance for revenge at Backlash when he stepped into the ring for a singles match against the Phenom, The Undertaker.
WHY IT SHOULD BE REMEMBERED
Nowadays it isn't such a big deal to see Undertaker bust out some submission moves. Hell, he closed WrestleMania XXIV by making Edge tap out to the Devil's Triangle. But The Undertaker of 2009 is a whole lot different from the one fans were used to ten years ago. This Backlash match against Ken Shamrock was one of the rare times Taker showed the wrestling potential that existed beneath the Deadman gimmick. Instead of the impact-heavy, dominating offense that was usually a hallmark of Undertaker's matches, fans were treated to a slow-paced, methodically-executed struggle between two grapplers. The '99 Ministry Taker was easily his character's most demonic incarnation, but he had become much more humanized in the ring at this point. JR comments in the match that he'd never heard Taker scream in agony as he did when Shamrock had locked in his submissions, and it was true. Looking back on this match now, especially at Shamrock's counters, you can see the flashes of greatness that Taker would later achieve in the ring with Kurt Angle. One has to wonder that if WWE really tapped into this style of match at the time if we would have been having the classics of '01-'03 a hell of a lot sooner.
I don't want anyone to think that I'm saying Ken Shamrock is or was as good as Kurt Angle. Angle's in an inhuman league of his own considering the absurd things his body is capable of. But looking at this Backlash match, it's hard not to think about the Angle-Taker confrontations on SmackDown just a few years afterward. And going from that, it's hard not to think about how much better the quality of Taker's matches became after his de-deadifying in 2000. Could Undertaker have been having great technical encounters even before then? Based on this match against Shamrock, my answer is yes. He could have. But since it was the Attitude Era, and technical wrestling wasn't exactly the top priority, it's understandable why it didn't work out that way. Hell, the Backlash match gets "BOR-ING!" chants during some of the submissions.
Submission wrestling was a rare occurrence during the Attitude Era
There are a couple of other things that I think are proven by this match. First: Ken Shamrock could've made it in a WWE main event. That doesn't necessarily mean he would've been a good WWE Champion, but it does mean he certainly could have been a legitimate contender. Backlash shows that Undertaker seemed to believe in him (based on his selling) and by the match's end the crowd was hot and into it. Second: Shamrock's two year run should've come two years later. The athletic skills of Ken Shamrock were wasted in the character-heavy Attitude Era. Just imagine what could've been if he was on the same roster as Angle, Benoit, Guerrero, and Mysterio. Shamrock's '97-'99 skills alone would've produced great matches against these guys, but imagine what he might've learned in the process of wrestling them. Shamrock was a great wrestler who might've been even greater if he had been allowed to really learn and explore.
Just for trivia, Shamrock was actually in talks with WWE in '02 about coming back to work a program with Kurt Angle, but both sides were unable to reach an agreement. Sometimes life just isn't fair for wrestling fans.
WHY IT ISN'T REMEMBERED
I had to go back and meticulously read the results for every Raw around this time period in order to confidently write this article. Why? Because things were fucking confusing! When you think back to the Corporation/Ministry/Corporate Ministry super-angle of those couple of months, can you clearly recall who were the faces and heels at all times? Or who was even on whose side? While Vince McMahon was clearly the heel when leading the Corporate charge against Stone Cold Steve Austin, at the same time he was defending his family from the Satanic attacks of The Undertaker. A heel vs. heel match that I did not mention last week as a successful execution of the dynamic was Undertaker and Big Bossman's HIAC match at WrestleMania XV. We had two heels (one of which was nowhere close to the other's level of heat) squaring off in an amazing waste of the stipulation match of WWE, a match where the only semblance of a build was Taker's feud with the Bossman's bossman. It did not work because the Ministry vs. Corporation feud was, as I said, fucking confusing.
And if the lack of clarity during the Ministry-Corporation feud wasn't confusing enough, the two groups MERGED within two months. And it wasn't as if they'd found some sort of middle ground and made peace with each other. Instead, it was revealed that they were in on it together all along. That Undertaker's oft-praised Higher Power had been Vince McMahon all along. That Stephanie's kidnapping and the McMahon family torment had been staged all along. If I'm remembering correctly, the reason given for this elaborately staged lie was to fool Steve Austin and to take away his WWE Title, although the Ministry-Corporation stuff was going on before Austin reclaimed the belt at WM XV. Even after researching all of this stuff I still can't get Russo's booking straight.
Of course, the Corporate Ministry angle made perfect sense!
Anyway, my point here is that Undertaker vs. Ken Shamrock was a victim of a mindnumbing storyline that went on for a couple of months too long. Backlash was pre-conspiracy revelation, but post-Corporate Shamrock. This means that at the time we were still under the assumption that Taker and McMahon were really in some sort of spiritual demon war, where neither side was clearly defined as either face or heel. And on top of that, Shamrock had been kicked out of the Corporation just before Backlash, despite the fact that he was the one who "saved" Stephanie. So to put it simply: Shamrock fought a guy who was in a staged blood feud with the guy who had recently kicked Shamrock out of his stable, even though Shamrock had just gone out of his way to "rescue" the last guy's daughter. Who is the face? Who is the heel? Why did McMahon toy with Shamrock and kick him out of the group, even though he was the only one who stood up for him? And aside from revenge for his sister, why would Shamrock even fight Taker, considering he'd be doing Vince a favor? Like I said, things were fucking confusing.
This match could have been significant and well-remembered had things turned out differently for Ken Shamrock. But once The World's Most Dangerous Man lost his IC Title, left the Corporation, and returned to his babyface ways, the dude sort of lost his place in storylines. After a short run in the Union, a never-ending feud with Steve Blackman, and an inconclusive program with Chris Jericho, Shamrock was done with WWE. His ring work was consistently on and entertaining, but WWE never seemed to get behind him once they moved him out of the Corporation. Looking back on his career in the E, most people will first remember his matches with The Rock or winning the King of the Ring in '98. You might even say the most important moment in Shamrock's wrestling career was when he wasn't even wrestling at all, but when he officiated the Hart-Austin classic at WM 13. It's a shame, because I really think Shamrock had something to offer in the WWE main event scene. At the time I thought his showing against Taker at Backlash was going to lead to a strong babyface push to the main event, but apparently it wasn't meant to be.
WILL IT BE REMEMBERED?
By WWE? Probably not. This match is virtually worthless to wrestling history as far as WWE concerns itself, considering there's really no need to revisit Undertaker's peak of evil or any of Shamrock's career. Unless there's another Taker DVD on the horizon and they're searching for random matches just for the sake of previously-unreleased material, I don't think this match has a great shot at DVD release. I've never even seen a Backlash '99 DVD release, but based on the feedback from you guys here I wouldn't be surprised if it had a UK release. And since that's a bit of a drive from Baltimore, I don't think I'll be getting my hands on any copies.
Feedback! (or, Proof That The World Knows I Exist!)
i remember this...i thought we were gonna get a 5 minute piece of shit match but boy was i wrong....
Posted By: Guest#9610
It well exceeded my expectations too. I was afraid they were going to waste the big Rated RKO confrontation in a short throwaway TV match but thankfully Edge and Orton brought their A-game and were given time to do something special.
Definitely agree it should have been RKO-explodes at Mania that year.
As usual, there were a glutton of guys left off the card who could have filled those two other spots for Money in the Bank.
And think, if Edge had gone over (that would've been MY booking), then the next year against Undertaker he TRULY would have been able to claim he was undefeated as well, rather than having to sidestep history a little bit by claiming he'd never REALLY been beat at Mania (stretchered out of Money in Bank - fairly weak all round).
Actually, dare say someone who understands WRESTLING in the creative team probably suggested that at the time, and someone who specializes in SOAP OPERAS probably shot it down.
I'd like to say WWE will 'live and learn' - but who'd I be kidding?
Posted By: Jared
I was not a happy camper when Edge and Orton got thrown into MITB. Remember too that this was the first year they moved the number of participants from six to eight, which has made the match feel a bit crowded ever since. Your idea of booking a truly undefeated Edge would've worked out quite well, but it (shockingly) did not occur to WWE at the time.
Right on about everything! They've had a couple of good matches, if you also include their IC Title feud back in 2004.
But I was always under the impression Edge wasn't 100% around WM23, which is why he was shuffled out of the $itB match so early. That would help to explain why these guys didn't get a singles blow-off at 'Mania.
Posted By: Sam!
I didn't go into it last week, but Edge broke his jaw in his MITB qualifying match against RVD. I'm not aware of any other injuries he had, but it's possible. And yeah, I think this was the reason he was taken out of the MITB match so early in.
This is the match that made Edge my favourite wrestler and i sure as hell remember it.
And it sucks cause at least one of (if not both) of these dudes should have won at mania this year.
Posted By: Guest#5311
Cena walking out with the title wasn't so bad because you knew another Edge title reign was likely right around the corner. But Orton had been away from the WWE Title for a while, and his current reign would mean a hell of a lot more right now if it had begun in the final moments of WrestleMania.
F U Jim Grimm! You know you wanted DX back together in 06' too! You were no different than any one else back then. Don't even try to front playa!
Posted By: Aho
I would prefer you request I adjust my attitude, Aho. Can't have that language here if the kids are going to buy my t-shirts. And yeah, I too was fooled by the warm fuzzy feelings of nostalgia at first, but it quickly became clear what a terrible mistake had been made.
I love this column. Great work again. I actually missed this RAW so I never saw the blowoff for RatedRKO and had truly forgotten about it, even though I was anticipating their upcoming fued.
Kennedy screwed that by becoming injured, but given his recent status, I guess that was a blessing in disguise. Also, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Cena/Michaels got an hour long match because Orton had done some stupid shit on tour. Edge was also apparently having injury problems around WM23...
It's possible I'm really wrong though, hah.
Posted By: Banz
Thanks, Banz. About Kennedy, it was more bad luck than anything that screwed him. Initially they had projected him to be out of action for several weeks longer than he actually needed, and so they immediately rushed into taking the MITB contract away. Even now this still seems like an unnecessary move to me, considering the contract is supposedly good for an entire year. The MITB would've added that much more intrigue to the dude's eventual return to the ring. And I'm not sure about Orton's bad behavior, but I wouldn't rule it out. And like I said above, Edge had a broken jaw.
Good to see someone finally remind us about this match. Its been one of my fav tv match
Posted By: smackdown02-03rockd
A great match. One that I'd say is on par with the 'rockd'-ness of SmackDown in '02 and '03.
"This match should have happened at WrestleMania 23"
I may be wrong, but wasn't Edge injured in the weeks leading up to Wrestlemania 23? I seem to remember there being some worries about whether he'd even be able to wrestle in the MITB match.
Posted By: Adam
The only injury I'm aware of was suffered in his MITB qualifier against RVD. This means that they'd already decided to put Edge (and presumably Orton) into the MITB match before he was injured. If they hadn't booked MITB that way, Edge would've never had that match with RVD and the injury would've never occurred. Oh, and we'd have had a Rated RKO WrestleMania blowoff. Moral of the story: RVD>Fate.
While I do not and would not ever wish injury upon a wrestler, HHH's quad tear at NYR 2007 was really a blessing for the Raw main event. Instead of Rated RKO being buried, they could claim to have ended DX - which was their original goal. Instead of returning HHH the favour for WM22, Cena got to go over HBK at WM23 and solidify his position as THE man. And of course Shawn really came into his own once he was done with DX.
But I do agree with the article that this match should have happened at WM23. Edge and Randy were above MITB and deserved a feud-ending match on the biggest show of the year.
Posted By: jobbers
The matches between Cena and HBK during that time were excellent stuff, way better than what we would've gotten out of a Cena-HHH feud. Cena's WM 23 match with Shawn was far superior to his outing against HHH a year prior in my estimation.
I think Orton was in the doghouse too around that time, which is why he was jobbing out. They didn't have the match until after Backlash because Orton was sent home from Raw, which is why Cena/HBK got an hour.
Thinking back on it, it's crazy how Orton quickly shot up the card after he got his act together, he quickly became the uber-heel that he is now.
Posted By: D-Man
Orton is a completely different man now when compared to Rated RKO. At the time I commented to a buddy of mine that Orton had ended up just like his old man, only getting over by latching onto and supporting a stronger heel, that he had become the Ace to Edge's HotRod. Just a couple of years later and Orton has completely proven me wrong, becoming the uber-heel you describe. My hat's off to Randy. There was a time when nobody thought he was ever going to come out of that post-face-turn slump.
This is a better match then the 2004 match, which had a good final 10 minutes but the opening 15 was pretty boring with too many Orton chinlocks.
Posted By: jbardo
Thankfully Orton has learned to not rely on the Chinlock so much these days. However, there was a time ...
i think every mark on here just messed themselves
Posted By: Guest#5786
You say "every" like you know how many people named Mark read this thing. And what would make them lose control of their bodily functions? Geez, Guest#5786...
I remember three or four excellent 1-on-1 matches between these two (Vengeance '04, the Raw rematch thereto, etc.) They work together really, really well. Too bad they're the two best heels the company has had in a decade and probably won't be working against each other again in the foreseeable future.
Posted By: KanyonKreist
Eventually, according to Sam Cooke, change is gonna come. And I believe him. Edge, Orton, and Jericho are the top three heels in WWE right now. Edge and Jericho have more than proven themselves in the past as efficient babyfaces, and Orton has had his moments of face greatness here and there. Edge and Orton have been working as heels for several years now, just about as long as guys like Batista and John Cena have been standing up as the good guys. Eventually they're going to want to freshen things up, and one or two of these guys is going to undergo a change. But none of this is going to happen until the kids stop chanting for Cena, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
"Just like a Taz Facebook post, DX had finally crossed the line."
Okay, I literally spit reading that. Well done.
The WWF Championship match at Royal Rumble 2001 between Kurt Angle and Triple H was heel/heel and it was pretty good. Granted, Hunter was quasi-face but, like Orton, that was more anti-Angle than pro-Game. And Austin's run-in to set up No Way Out definitely solidified HHHs heel status.
Posted By: neverAcquiesce
I can't believe I forgot about that since I used to be such a huge mark for Angle, but you're damn right. Great heel vs. heel match. A great Rumble card overall actually.
I am so glad to hear some DX hate; I couldn't agree more with your assessment of their horrid reign during 2006. As a long-time hater of HBK (and, to a much lesser degree, HHH), the last thing I wanted to see every week was the burial of young guys by these two, and the constant main events against the McMahons. But at least we got this match as a result... Good read, man.
Posted By: Guest#6900
Ah, 2006. I'll be happy if I never see another Handicap match again. But until HHH retires, I don't think I'll get my wish.
Speaking of heel vs heel matches, I started to get into wrestling in 1992 and one of the first PPVs I saw was Summerslam 1992. There was a heel vs heel match between HBK and Rick Martel(fighting over Sherri) and I thought it was really well done. Agree that more heel vs heel would be good. I wouldn't mind seeing Edge vs Y2J sometime this year.
Posted By: showster
Edge vs. Jericho would be mighty interesting. I'm curious to see who would get more face heat out of the two if they ran a straight heel vs. heel program.
I like hot ham and cheese
Posted By: cutesy mcbuttons
Oh, Cutesy.
They're holding hands in that last picture
Posted By: Lexi
Upon further investigation, it would seem that Edge and Randall are indeed sharing a moment together in said photograph. No further information exists at this time regarding the extent of their intimacy in early 2007.
I quite liked the Lesnar vs Big Show heel vs heel match at SS02.
Posted By: RB
From what I remember, Lesnar was being booked more and more as a face following his HIAC with Taker at No Mercy. He was constantly defying Heyman's orders and standing up for himself, which led to Heyman stabbing him in the back at Survivor Series. Character affiliations aside, I agree that it was a good match worth revisiting. Lesnar was one of the few guys who could pull out consistently entertaining matches with Big Show.
you forgot to mention that this match was supposed to happen on the RAW before backlash, but cena and shawn went for an hour long match and orton was sent home for the hotel incident
Posted By: Guest#0297
I did cover just about all of that, just not Orton's behavioral problems.
Wasn't this feud shortened mainly because Batista got injured, so they moved Edge to SD and made him champion? If so, that's the big culprit.
Posted By: JLAJRC
Undertaker and Kennedy both went down with injuries. Since they apparently didn't want to put the belt on Batista, Edge won Kennedy's MITB contract and then jumped to SD to cash in on a weakened Undertaker.
F U Jim Grimm! You know you wanted DX back together in 06' too! You were no different than any one else back then. Don't even try to front playa!
Posted By: Aho
Start smacking yourself for this was an awesome overview of these two and their chimpionship rise to stardom again(well for edge that is...)
Keep it PG 13 ya dumbass bastard! LOL
Posted By: guest1228
Thank you, Guest1228. At least someone realizes my need to cater to children and milk their parents of all their money.
i didn't watch the raw when orton and edge had that match and i finally got to see it when i watched the edge dvd and it is a brillant match that i would of loved to seen live. whats your thoughts on the edge dvd Jim?
Posted By: Craig J
The Edge DVD, like most of the E's career DVDs, reeks of awesomeness. And no, I don't get paid to say that, but yes, I am willing to take money if anyone from WWE is reading this.
Really they could've thrown any matches on that DVD and I would've gone nuts over it just because I'm a huge Edge mark. But the Decade of Decadence release, although way too light on E&C greatness, is well worth its price tag. It gets a little Taker-heavy on the third disc, but each match is damn entertaining.
I admire your disdain for Damn DX.
Posted By: Propagandhi
Not a great time in Raw history by any means. At least during their segments.
I was going through some old tapes last week and came upon another heel/heel match and one that was quite significant for other reasons as well: Stone Cold Steve Austin -vs- Hunter Hearst-Helmsley from In Your House: Buried Alive in October 1996. Austin was just coming into his own and was getting some face pops here and there but was really only cheered in this match because Hunter was such an arrogant ass.
Plus, in addition to being heel versus heel, it was the first televised (that I can recall) meeting of two men who would, just two years later, become huge stars for the company and headline PPVs together a year after that.
And it was a good match on top of all that.
Posted By: neverAcquiesce
I completely forgot about this one too. I haven't seen it in quite a while, so I guess I'm going to YouTube once I finish this article. This is definitely a possibility for a future column. Good call!
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That'll do it for this week. Kind of a lengthy go-round this week but I guess it's necessary when explaining Russo's booking. Until next time, everybody try to stay safe and out of Mexico.
How about the Last Ride match between Taker and Kennedy at Armageddon 2006 for Forgotten Favourites ?
Posted By: Paul (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 12:14 AM
THANK YOU X 1000!!!!! I have always loved this match since I ordered the PPV and purchased the VHS! It has always been a guilty pleasure of mine to see Shamrock and Undertaker tear it up. Your article reeks of greatness this week.
Posted By: B~Rad73 (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 12:20 AM
How about Taka Michinokou defending his light heavyweight championship against El Pantera at No Way Out 1998?
Posted By: Guest#7250 (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 01:28 AM
Hey jim! great article again! I particularly liked the part where you took off all your clothes really slowly and stared right into the camera!
Keep up the good work. Wrestling r teh awesomez
Posted By: AllUrBaseRBelong2Me (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 01:56 AM
Ministry Undertaker was fucking awesome!
Posted By: Guest#0565 (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 02:02 AM
Yep - it's out in the UK in a tagged classics pack with St. Valentine's Day Massacre.
Posted By: Sepulchasm (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 02:05 AM
Great article,I actually watched this match the night I read this article.I think one of the next forgotten favorites should be CM Punk vs. Elijah Burke from Judgement Day 2007.It was 15+ minutes of a great match.Look forward to reading the next forgotten favorite.Keep up the good work.
Posted By: Guest#8564 (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 02:31 AM
"Eventually they're going to want to freshen things up, and one or two of these guys is going to undergo a change. But none of this is going to happen until the kids stop chanting for Cena, so I wouldn't hold my breath."
I couldnt agree more, people always say Cena and Batista need to freshen up their act which they do. However, people arent tired of Orton and Edge as heels because they have both evolved since this match, both are probably at their peak in terms of heel-dom.
As a side note though, I am praying that after two years of HHH bullcrap involvement that we get Orton-Cena 1-1 at Wrestlemania and a glorious double turn that would make the internet explode.
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 04:27 AM
Edge was certainly injured in the run-up to WM23, because if you remember he didn't wrestle at all from that RVD match right the way to mania. He was always stirring the shit up between the other MITB participants, so they would fight amongst themselves leaving him (storyline-wise) fresh.
Posted By: Quinny (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 08:08 AM
"Where to, Stephanie?!?!" Greatest line on a wrestling broadcast ever. Even if, by that point, we had to suffer through the mind-numbingly illogical Corporate Ministry. Still, Satanic, bearded Undertaker was beyond awesome. Having been raised in a strict Christian household it felt like forbidden fruit that I was destined to love.
Russo could, and did, turn out a lot of crap (he's got his own WrestleCrap wing, don't he?) but when he and Vinnie Mac worked together they could come up with some damn captivating television. It didn't often make sense, and could contradcit itself from week-to-week, but damn if I wasn't on my couch at 8pm (or was it still 7:57 at that time?) every Monday.
And, once again, the UK bogarts all the good shit.
Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 09:42 AM
Have we covered Taka vs HHH for the WWF Title yet? BEST.MATCH.EVER.
Wrestling went downhill after Taka didn't win the title!
Posted By: Kyle (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 11:17 AM
I had never thought Taker had taken steroids until I saw that photo. Holy crap, that guy is jacked.
Posted By: Guest#3702 (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 11:50 AM
This match seems to have mixed feelings from people, i remember it been pretty good tho some find it a bit boring & im sure the crowd is pretty dead.
Still i gotta agree that ministry Taker was really cool, his matches wernt the best back then but the carracter was insane.
Posted By: jbardo (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 12:23 PM
I'm sorry but I just can't figure out why people think the single most boring character of the Attitude era was so great. Are you just basing it on the pictures of him, or what? The guy gained about 50 pounds and proceeded to drop a big fat turd in the ring and on the mic every single chance he got.
Then he left for six months, and Biker Taker was fresh for a month or two upon his return before we were right back where we left off with him, burying guys who needed the rub. I don't think he was ever remotely interesting until he met up with Angle in 2006.
Posted By: The REAL MP (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 01:08 PM
Man...every week you continue to make me go "Holy Shit...no he didn't bring that match back from the grave!!!"...in a good way of course. Dude...seriously keep up the good work! Definitely keeping me on my toes for my future column ideas!!
Posted By: Julian Bond (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 01:37 PM
I don't think he was ever remotely interesting until he met up with Angle in 2006.
In terms of ring work i agree with that, the last 3 years has easily been the most consistantrun hes had as far as good matches go.
Posted By: jbardo (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 01:54 PM
i rememberwatching Shamrock vs. Taker on VHS.I actually thought Shamrock was going to win...that is until he tried to Tombstone Taker and we all know if your name is not Kane you can't Tombstone Taker.
Posted By: The Gold Standard (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 02:36 PM
great article...thank you for giving their match a shout out...i own the vhs copy of backlash...it was a great match that far exceeded expectations and showed some of undertakers untapped talent...its sad though...after matches like this...you cant help but wonder how many other wrestlers are being held down by wwe.? i would have loved to see angle/shamrock....or shamrock/ benoit.....even shamrock/jericho...
Posted By: Guest#0420 (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 02:41 PM
@The REAL MP
Workrate-wise, yes, Taker was never *that great* prior to '06 or so (unless Bret, Shawn, or Kurt was standing across from him). Ten years ago I would never have expected something like WrestleMania XXV to come out of the Dead Man.
Buuuuuuuuttt, his satanic character was fucking awesome. The look, the followers, the music (fuck all y'all, I totally dug the rock version), Satantaker was what Attitude was all about.
Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 04:18 PM
When i was 10 i fucking loved this undertaker... Not sure why. Kinda worrying if I think about it.
Posted By: Tomithy (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 04:44 PM
thank you for liking my work. you should see the submissions I practice on michelle.
Posted By: the undertaker (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 04:44 PM
still waiting for Bret vs. 123 Kid, WWF Championship match from monday night raw.
Posted By: Guest#3907 (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 04:46 PM
This match was fucking great. Backlash 99, next to No Mercy, was probably the best pay per view from that year.
Posted By: CharlesBronson (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 05:35 PM
I always thought Shamrock was underrated. Sure, the guy might have had the personality of an ironing board, but he was a pretty good wrestler. The fact that he could legitimately kick some serious ass and have even big tough guys pissing their pants like babies is cool too.
On the other hand, I think Ministry Taker is overrated as hell. I've always preferred the gray-gloved, spooky Undertaker from when he first joined the WWF when he would be powered by the urn. It might sound cartoony nowadays but that Undertaker was damn cool.
Posted By: Zingy (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 06:01 PM
Thanks so much for this... Ive seen this match get flack for being slow and boring but its probably my fav none Rocky/Ken Shamrock match out there.
Posted By: Chad (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 06:51 PM
I remember at the time everyone was shitting all over this match, but I loved it. The spectacle of seeing someone break down Taker like Shamrock did coupled with that fucking Chokeslam-to-Armbar counter (this should've got 3 stars on that alone) just made this match for me. I would've loved to see how Ken would've made out if he'd just stayed around for a few months longer as opposed to leaving before the Radicals arrived.
Posted By: AJP (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 07:18 PM
For the commenters with doubts about Undertaker's technical ability, I recommend his pre-WWF work. In specific, check out Mean Mark vs. Brian Pillman.
It's a short match, and not exactly a classic by any means, but its an indicator of Undertaker's exceptional mobility for his large build.
It may have helped that he was wrestling against Brian Pillman. It may *not* have helped that he had been using the dreaded/ridiculous "heart punch" as his finisher up to that point.
Also, I get a kick out of that awesome-ass riff at the beginning of his intro video. Plus, when he points directly at the camera, you KNOW he means business!
Not suggesting that Undertaker is a technical master or anything, but certainly capable given his size.
I enjoy these articles -- great work!
Posted By: CanadianCrippler (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 07:32 PM
one thing forgotten about UT/Shamrock is that it was the first time that UT was referred to by the name "Mark" as Shamrock called out "Mark", stating that UT is a human who had taken his character too far. Only one other time in memory has Mark been referred .. and that was with his wife Sara on Smackdown... and UT didn't seem happy about that.
Posted By: sdmcc (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 07:34 PM
I don't know, we'll have to agree to disagree. I wasn't just talking about workrate though. There wasn't a single memorable promo Taker gave during that time period, although to be honest his character didn't call for it. But that didn't stop him from talking A LOT, and being really, really boring when he did.
In an era when we were thoroughly spoiled by Rock, Austin, Foley, and even Triple H and Kane at times, I just never wanted to see the Undertaker on my screen. I groaned nearly every time his music hit, although I do agree that it was pretty kick ass music. I'm not giving the whole character a pass based on that though.
Posted By: The REAL MP (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 07:58 PM
Vintage Russo >.
Posted By: Banz (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 09:06 PM
Man, quality stuff. Especially clever writing this week too. I appreciate these obscure gems from the Attitude era, as I have actually forgotten a lot of them, despite having been way into the wrestling scene at the time... but then, I was pretty busy with my own backyard Uncensored Wrestling Xperience fed too... much like half the people who read this site. I was head booker, and since it was the Attitude era and I was an impressionable teenager, we had some noticeably Russo-esque angles going on; we must've had half a dozen drive-off abductions and two or three anonymous vehicular assaults. God, I sure hope I'm exaggerating...
Posted By: KanyonKreist (Guest) on April 30, 2009 at 10:50 PM
GREAT Article, I look forward to this every week! Always gives me stuff to pull out of my collection and watch.
As for this match, I thought it was really good (*** 1/4) that was really hindered by a DEAD crowd. If this match were held today, it would get a much bigger reaction. But in the high-flying, spot fest filled 98-00 Attitude era it didnt fit it well. Taker and Shamrock's submission wrestling and constant reversals were great to see. I enjoyed the ending with Shamrock trying to put down Taker with Taker's move only to have it come back to end him.
Again, GREAT article! Cant wait to see what's next.
Here is one - Survivor Series 2004 - Christian vs. Shelton Benjamin for the IC Title.
Posted By: Smack2k (Guest) on May 01, 2009 at 03:33 PM
How about Austin Regal strap match from Smackdown December 01 that match ruled.
Posted By: Greg (Guest) on May 02, 2009 at 03:32 AM
wow Backlash 99 is a great ppv when you back at it. i've always had a guilty pleasure to watching this matchso thanks for bringing back some memories.
Heres a few matches you could use as forgotton favourites
RVD vs Test Extreme Rules from 2006
Jeff Hardy vs Chris Jericho No Way Out 03
Austin's team vs Bischoff's Team from Survivor Series 03
John Cena vs Big Show vs Kurt Angle No Way Out 03
Kurt Angle vs John Cena No Mercy 03
Once again thanks for the column
Posted By: Craig J (Guest) on May 04, 2009 at 10:48 AM
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