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Ask 411 Wrestling 5.06.09: Bret Hart and Blading, Apter Mags, the PWI 500, Finishers and More!
Posted by Mathew Sforcina on 05.06.2009



Welcome to this edition of Ask 411 Wrestling! I'm Mathew Sforcina, the guy who promised a super edition this week and was regretting it all week. But that's ok, sleep is for the weak.

That said, before we get into the nitty gritty, I promised to answer all questions. Unless I have a good reason not to answer them in this column, like I've answered them already or it's a personal question (guys asking me about training and Indy feds), I'll put it in. I'm sorry if you find them stupid, but someone wants to know, and I'm gonna do my best to answer them.

Anyway, enough of that, let's get on with the xxxxxxxxxxxhhh1 PW2.0. Soon. hhh2xxxxxxxxxxxxx show!



Backtalking



Chris Walker: Oh, was there another one? Ok.

*looks him up*

Eh, nothing special. Certainly I've never heard of the guy, but then at the time there were a lot of young, muscular kids looking for a break, not all of them could make it. Those who wrote in about him tended to agree, looked good, nothing great in the ring. He's managing strip clubs in Tampa nowadays, apparently.

Stevie over Kurt and Bruno/Victoria over everyone: As I said at the start, that wasn't the best person from each state, but the first that came to mind/first I found on Wiki/OWW. So naturally I went to Victoria and Stevie first, since I worship one and mark for the other. Of course Kurt is better than Stevie in almost every way, but I'm still a mark for Stevie. And it was hailing from, not legit birthplaces.

Old School: Yes, Taker's been using the move for ages. But it was associated with his Dead Man persona, and when he began to reuse it after a lengthy lack of it, since he was Bike Taker, he called out Old School, and that's how the name stuck. The fact that it's Older than it's been called is neither here or there.

Drawn Out Fall: Manu asked for clarification on Mick Foley's second HITC bump. He felt that the cage slowly giving way wouldn't be entertaining. Well I can't respond to that, except that there's probably a difference between Mick going through without any resistance and the roof fighting it. Maybe not a slow, 30 second fall, but Mick clearly expected the roof to provide SOME resistance to slow him down.

Mr. Wrestling: OK, I'll cop to this one, on the basis that it's really confusing to have Mr. Wrestling II wrestling as Mr. Wrestling and him have a partner whom he calls Mr. Wrestling II who's also dubbed Mr. Wrestling III by the magazines to ‘avoid confusion'.

Stevie Corino's sites clearly go out of their way to claim he is the official Mr. Wrestling III. So technically that's correct in that there was two IIs, one of whom was I but really II. And since this II who claimed he was I has no email, it's hard for me to check with him. I'd have to send a letter for goodness sake…

Starrcade 97: As stated by various people (from Hogan himself down to guys like Scott Norton who have nothing to gain from lying), Hogan was pushing for Sting to basically destroy him in 3 minutes, no-sell everything then make Hogan tap out like a little girl. Which probably would have gone over a bit better.

Why just Daniels?: Hell if I know. Maybe Chris isn't the best name to be using right now?

Chandler???: To recap, whenever I write something that's sarcastic, I put in a picture of Chandler to signify the sarcasm. If I'm being half-sarcastic, then it's a half Chandler. I use Chandler since he's the most well known Sarcastic character around.

Although maybe the joke is wearing out. But then, that implies it wasn't warn out to begin with.

A couple of other housekeeping things: I don't mind you ending kind words with blah blah blah, I know what you mean, but I'm also cool with you just getting straight to the questions. Unless you say "I hate you, you suck, here's my questions:" I take it as read you at least tolerate me.

Your Turn, Smart Guy…



Sage gave us such a good answer, I'm going to repost it.

WWE Championship - No Way Out 2009; Triple H pinned Undertaker to win the SmackDown! Elimination Chamber Match, with Edge being the champion going into the match.

World Heavyweight Championship - Here's the most recent of this type of change: WrestleMania 25! John Cena pinned Big Show to win a Triple Threat Match, with Edge (once again) being the champion going into the match. Poor Edge.

ECW Championship - Unforgiven 2008; Matt Hardy pinned The Miz to become the final Interim Champion in the ECW Championship Scramble match, with Mark Henry being the champion going into the match.

Intercontinental Champion - This is the only one I've researched that I'm not entirely sure on, but I think this spot belongs to Chyna, who pinned Trish Stratus in a mixed tag match at SummerSlam 2000; teaming with Eddie Guerrero against current champ Val Venis and Trish, the IC Title was awarded to whomever scored the fall.

United States Championship - Mr. Kennedy won it in a Triple Threat Match by pinning Bobby Lashley on the episode of SmackDown that aired on September 1, 2006; the champion going into the match was Finlay.

Women's Championship - In a rare move that saw WWE acknowledge a house show title change, Mickie James defeated Victoria at a live event in Paris on April 24, 2007 in a Triple Threat Match; the champion, Melina, was granted an immediate rematch by then-Executive Assistant Jonathan Coachman, which she won (making Mickie James the shortest-reigning Women's Champion in history).

Divas Champion - Since there was no Divas Champion prior to the match, Michelle McCool takes this spot for defeating Natalya at Great American Bash 2008 and becoming the first Divas Champ. (Technically, Natalya WASN'T a title holder going into the match, so it counts!)

WWE Tag Team Championships - Great American Bash 2008 also saw Curt Hawkins and Zack Ryder win their first titles by winning a Fatal Four Way for the titles via pinfall on Jesse; the opposing teams were Jesse and Festus, Finlay and Hornswoggle, and current champions John Morrison and The Miz.

World Tag Team Championships - The Hurricane and Rosey hold this spot by winning a Tag Team Turmoil match at Backlash 2005, defeating La Resistance to capture the gold; La Resistance was the next-to-last team to enter the match and defeated then-champions William Regal and Tajiri to eliminate them.


Well done.

Who am I? A former World Champion, who's gone under a different name at the beginning of his Wrestling career, and wore a mask for a while at a later point. He's feuded with some greats of this business like Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan and… Jim Ross (well, feud is a bit strong….). He's worked for 3 major companies, and is a contender in the all time Quickest Firings in History awards for one stint. He's still active in the industry, although not on-screen at the moment. A man who's managed champions, been an authority figure, and is somewhat controversial. Who am I?

Questions, Questions, Who's Got The Questions?



Mark gets bumped up thanks to the topic at hand.

Was that the voice of Jerry Lawler in the "commercial" with Vince McMahon? Also, wasn't that video made in 1990?



Yes, that's Jerry Lawler, years before he joined the company, but there's a reason for this. This version, which everyone has seen now, was the version that was an Easter Egg on the Shawn Michaels DVD set. The original, which I couldn't find a copy of online, featured Vince McMahon and Jesse Ventura, so when they wanted to reuse it, they had to redub it with Lawler, given Jesse's extra payments using his original voice would entail.

Rob S. pops up again, with more blood!

I was reading Bret Hart's book and read about his epic match with Austin back at Wrestlemania 13, and that Bret decided to blade for Austin without anyone else knowing about it in advance. Bret also admitted to doing this other times throughout his career in the WWF. I was wondering if there is any kind of specific punishment and/or heat on wrestlers if they go against this policy on a consistent basis.

Well, since no-one ever did it continuously it's hard to say. Bret at least had the smarts to only do it one every couple of years and lie about it. Flair got fined for WM VIII against Savage, so I would assume that it'd be financial. Depushing would be overdoing it unless WWF was getting in severe trouble with the law over it or something.

I also thought about how blading became so commonplace during the Attitude Era that I began to think about whether or not this was decided upon by the wrestlers or by the bookers. It seemed like wrestlers such as Austin, HHH, and Taker were showing color on a consistent basis at pay per views, and even on a few Raw's and Smackdowns. Do you know if wrestlers with seniority are/were allowed to pick and choose when they want to show color, if it is done in circumstances that would make it seem fitting (cage matches, hell in a cell, etc.)?

That would be the bookers. If you up the ante on the violence and appeal to teenagers, you need blood to make it look realistic/grab attention. It's not like Austin liked losing blood, it's just that Russo's booking style drove you towards copious amounts of blood. Not as much as CZW, sure, but lots of blading never the less. If you get hit with a chair during Attitude, you'd probably blade, as you were told to be the bookers.

Shawn wonders if he's crazy.

I remember back when wrestling was still good and somewhat unpredictable; I use to watch it every time it played, even Saturday mornings. Am I the only who remembers Goldberg having a "locker room" interview with "Mean" Gene almost every week on WCW Worldwide? This was well before he spoke on Nitro, which was said to be the first time. I remember him showing no affiliation with any one by stating names of wrestlers he would go thru to get to the top, Hogan, Sting, Flair, etc. If that's not strange enough, the match between Hogan and him was announced on Worldwide, not only weeks before, but multiple times before it was announced on Nitro. How did WCW screw up so bad, did they think people didn't watch on Saturday mornings?

Well, I looked through DDT Digest's 98 Results Page and didn't find any mention of Goldberg/Mean Gene promos. Hogan/Goldberg also couldn't have been pre-announced, it wasn't booked at all until a couple weeks before hand as a dark non-title match before it got moved to the show and bumped up to Title status. Nor could I find any such interviews on the web. Readers?

There was a match on RAW in the late 90's when Shawn Michaels returned from injury, I think, to do commentary for a Jesse James Armstrong match. They ended up fighting at the end. What match was that?

I couldn't find any match on Raw in the 90's fitting that description. Readers?

Hawkeye wants to talk bias.

I've heard it said that PWI and the Wrestler, and whatever other Apter mags, had a clear pro-WCW bias. I've heard theories that WCW may have even had input on them. Is there any direct link known between the Apter magazines and WCW, other than Apter hosting the PWI Report on Crockett shows back in the day?

No, no direct connection was ever proven that they owned or had an input into the running of the magazine. Not having grown up with the magazines I can't tell you from experience if they were biased or not. There is no factual, hard evidence to support the claim.

There is a certain amount of circumstantial evidence, Bill's TV segment, Ric Flair's Wrestler Of The Decade award etc. And perhaps some of the readers will claim bias in the comments section. But again, no direct, factual link has been proven, to my knowledge at least.

If so (and even if that isn't the case), isn't it odd Malenko was listed #1 in the PWI 500 in 97? As a Malenko fan, I was pleased as hell, but isn't it like if Finley or Shelton Benjamin was listed #1 today? Off all the past winners, with the possible exception of RVD in 2002, they were arguably the biggest name in wrestling at the time. As great as his ring work, Malenko was in no way the biggest name in the world at that time.

Yeah, that one kinda bugs me as well. But the logic was that Dean had a heck of a year in 1997, winning the US title, having great match after great match, and in a year when your world champions were Hulk Hogan and Lex Luger for WCW, and WWF appeared to be in a downward spiral/screwing people over, Dean's pure steady year won the day.

Dean had the best year of his career in 1997, and since it was a smooth ride compared to everyone else's bumpy one, he coasted into the top spot. Position on the card is only part of the package (even though as US champ he was supposedly high up).

Hugo asks about a lucha movie.

I like your column keep up the good work. I'm trying to figure out the name of a wrestling movie that went straight to DVD. On the cover a dude that I'm assuming is a Lucha wrestler had a mask on and i think i saw on there case that Rey Mysterio appeared in it. Do you have any idea what the name of this movie is?

You're almost certainly talking about El Mascarado Massacre, a.k.a Wrestlemanic. A short bio of the film from IMDB…

On their way to Caba San Lucas, the cast and crew of a low-budget porn film get lost and come upon "La Sangre De Dios", a ghost town with a spine-tingling legend about an insane Mexican wrestler. The leader of the pack and first time director, Alphonse, likes the town's gritty appearance and decides it would be the perfect setting for his film. The crew positions the camera and snaps on the lights. When Alphonse yells "Action!", it arouses the famous and now insane Luchador, "El Mascarado" (The Masked Man), who begins a game of his own. One by one, the cast and crew are snatched, beaten and dragged to a bloody death. The few left alive must figure out how to beat the wrestler at his own deadly game, or die trying.

The Rey Mysterio on the cover is not, in fact, the Rey Mysterio who is currently YOUR WWE Intercontinental Champion, but rather the original Rey Mysterio, his uncle, who plays the bad guy in this horror film. It has a myspace page here.

From horror films to classic feuds. Jay?

How did the Austin Idol-Tommy Rich vs. Lawler feud win? If seen the feud up to the part of the infamous hair match in Memphis, but I have no idea how the feud concluded.

The feud continued for a couple of months after the Hair V Hair match, with the final match involving all three men and thus being the true end of the feud being a Scaffold match between Jerry Lawler and Bill Dundee taking on Idol and Rich, 15th of June, 1987, shown on TV 5 days later. Here's some edited highlights.




So the end of the feud was Rich ‘injuring' his arm, and then leaving the region to head to AWA and a face turn.

A week later Rich was replaced by Brickhouse Brown in a normal tag match, which ended up with Brown attacking everyone and thus starting a new chapter in the territory.

Jackson asks about terminology.

When were wrestling terms such as "marks" and "kayfabe" coined and by who?

Both terms date back to the travelling carnival days, back when Wrestling was part of the show, seeing if anyone could last 3 rounds with The Crusher and so forth. But the specific origins are a little harder to pin down.

For mark, some say when an operator of a scam spotted a real sucker, he would mark his back with a piece of chalk, thus literally ‘marking' the ‘mark'. Others say it comes from the idea of ‘hitting the mark' successfully, the scam was aimed at the vulnerable sucker, and when it worked, it hit the ‘mark.'

Kayfabe meant different things at different times. The word itself is believed to originate from the word ‘fake' being inverted and turned into Carny, a unique speak designed to convey information without letting those outside the carnival know (normally because it involved relieving you of your money). The oldest/most reliable usage in carnivals was that it was yelled to signal trouble.

And just for shits and giggles, do you prefer kangaroo or koala meat mate?

You can't eat Koalas. Kangaroos on the other hand are very nice, especially marinated. So Roo meat by default.

Joshua wants to back up a bit (even when he sent it he was backing up).

Why is Mike Adamle hated on by WWE? I didn't think that Adamle was a bad GM of RAW. Ok, so his first night on TV he calls Jeff Hardy Jeff Harvey, but so what? There's many onscreen talent that make mistakes on live TV. Let me name some:

Lillian Garcia- When she first starting doing announcing she would screw something up every week. I can't remember anything in particular, but I remember every time she would screw up me and my friends would roll our eyes and wonder where The Fink was.

Jim Ross- I've heard JR screw up a lot on live TV. Calling wrestlers by wrong names, miscalling a move, he's done it.

Michael Cole- How about giving away the results to the main event of Wrestlemania 15? This is from his Wikipedia page: "…while telling fans to tune into the Home Shopping Network after the show to buy WWF related items, he accidentally gave away the winner of the main event between the Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin by saying that the "new WWF Champion Stone Cold Steve Austin" would be a guest on the show"

So why does Adamle have to get buried on TV from John Cena and Stephanie McMahon? Who did he piss off in the back?


He got buried on TV because the fans turned on him. And the fans turned on him because he showed no signs of improvement and he came in as an outsider who was unwanted. Yes, calling him Jeff Harvey was silly, but it wasn't a killing blow. But week after week of mistakes, without seemingly any improvement, didn't help.

I'll agree that he didn't exactly get a warm reception from the get go, but he didn't seem to try to improve, as opposed to say Mike Hogewood who is at least making attempts to improve his knowledge and style.

So the fans hated him. And, in a rarity, Vince and the WWE agreed with the fans. Mike didn't set their world on fire, hence why he got released eventually, it didn't work out. Mike just wasn't cut out for Wrestling, apparently.

A mediocre Botchamania is still better than most of the other crap out there.



Mike asks a question I have a hard time answering.

Great column, read it every week, blah blah blah.

My question is. How many different theme songs have been used where the wrestler themselves were doing the singing? I'm not talking about a theme like Hacksaw's or Carlito's, where it's one word or one sentence over an instrument track, but more along the lines of HBK's theme, JYD using "Grab them Cakes", or the Rougeau's using "All-American Boys".


Let's see… Booker T used his WWE Originals song for a bit, Cena's had two themes that he sung, Jeff Hardy used one of his songs in TNA, R-Truth has his theme (that's crossed companies!), Honky Tonk Man obviously, The Roadie Jesse James/Jeff Jarrett had "With My Baby Tonight", Road Dogg and K-Kwik did a duet for their tag team, Lillian Garcia uses one of her songs as an entrance theme… That's all off the top of my head. Anyone else add to it?

Leonard asks about the WWE Encyclopaedia.

I noticed Chris Kanyon and Mike Sanders got snubbed from the WWE Encyclopaedia. I assume this is due to them Suing WWE with the independent contractors dispute and Raven only got in because he's a 26 time hardcore champion. Can you think of any other WWE wrestlers that got the snub? I can't. Even Katie Vick is in there!

Not having read the damm thing it's hard for me to say with 100% conviction. (If I had seen it I'd probably have bought it to use as a source.) But yes, I would assume that they got snubbed because of the lawsuit (neither man having official WWE title reigns helps there, assuming that they don't count WCW US Title reigns in the WWE US titlee history in the book). Hell, they also included Chris Benoit, so Kanyon and Sanders are clearly lawsuit related.

Also after watching the improv Cage match on Raw a few weeks ago I began to wonder why HHH wasn't DQ'd for the sledgehammer shot by the Referee? Was he told by Stephanie that was what would happen? I assume so because that's the only way the storyline makes sense. Which brings me to the follow-up question of when they Switched from the Blue Cage to the Chainlink cage they use now. The lastest I Remember the Blue Cage being used is the Bret Hart/Sid title change on Raw in 1997. I can't recall the first match using the newer cage (excluding HITC)

This would be the HHH/Cody match, March 16th. Two options, one, the ref was told, as you suggested. Two, when the cage was lowered, the ref just assumed that it was a confirmed cage match and thus anything goes. If HHH had just brought the thing in and hit Cody, you wouldn't assume the match had been changed to a no-DQ match, but the cage lowering does indicate a change.

As for the blue cage, (this has been answered before I think), they switched over because the blue cage was a bitch to work with. It was hard and unforgiving, although it was easier to climb up and over on, of course. The first WWF match to feature the new steel mesh cage (which was, theoretically, softer and easier to take bumps into), was Mankind/Dude Love V Triple H, Summerslam 1997. The Blue Bars style would make another appearance, sort of, at the St. Valentine's Day Massacre card on Valentine's Day 99, when Austin beat McMahon in the steel cage which looked for all the world like the Blue Cage painted black.

Marvin calls in from Mars.

Regarding finishers...

How do wrestlers go about coming up with their signature finisher? Does it rest solely on the individual wrestler? Management? A combination of both? Has anyone that's worked their way up through the "minors" ever been asked to change their finisher for whatever reason once they made it to WWE/WCW TV? Also, what if someone wants to use a finisher that was made famous by someone before him. Let's say someone comes up in about 5 years and wants to use the Stunner, would it be customary for him to clear it with Austin first or would it be fine if he just had the OK from management?


It's a combo of both. The wrestler will be asked what they can do, they'll show some moves, management will then suggest/work with them to pick one. Paul London springs to mind as a guy told to change his finisher who refused. CM Punk changed his voluntarily. Colt would have been the best test case, if he had ever won a damm match.

Well, unless someone comes in who's a dead ringer/related to/trained by Austin, no-one is using the Stunner while Austin's around. After he's gone, they'll give it out with less hesitation, but today, if someone really wanted it and if it fit, they'd check with Austin first, yes.

Speaking of the Stunner, I remember watching a DDP match a long time ago and when he attempted his Diamond Cutter (which I believe was basically what the RKO is now) the other guy fell to his knees and it ended up looking exactly like the Stunner. The announcer then stated that the other guy smartly "blocked" the Diamond Cutter. Do you think this was WCW's way of kinda mocking the Stunner and showing that it was an ineffective move?

Not really, it was probably more just a cover-up for a botch. Without a video/reference it's hard to say. But WCW mocking WWF, never say never.

Regarding life-long faces/heels...

Steamboat's rant against Jericho last month regarding how he never turned on the fans made me think about the following:

1) Has anyone who's debuted in the last 20 years stayed a heel/face during their entire career? (I guess we would have to set a minimum for their tenure, let's go with 5+ years)


Steamboat for face, Rick Rude for heel. Everyone else big has turned at some point, but since they both debuted outside your time frame, no, no-one has stayed on one side for that sort of time frame recently.

2) Does anyone have on record which wrestler has turned more times than anyone else? Off the top of my head I would think Big Show and Jericho would be on the top of the list.

Jerry Lawler. He had to turn every week when he entered Memphis and when he left it.

Big Show on a major scale though.

My Damm Opinion



Ren wants my opinion, and the staff's, but since I'm lazy he just gets mine.

I know that you are the guy that finds out the little known facts about wrestling in your column, but I want to know your opinion, or better yet the opinion of the staff at 411.

As we all know the WWF/E has a reputation of changing wrestlers names or give them gimmicks. (Dusty with the polka dots jumps to my head.) While I was never a fan of Hogan I realize that he was great on the mic & people loved him, but let's face it in the ring it was the same thing EVERY night. The Rock LOVED him thought he was extremely entertaining, but "The People's Elbow" hardly a devastating manoeuvre ( or Electrifying for that matter)

What I want to know is Who is the most over wrestler with either the least talent or stupidest gimmick?

Personally I would have to think that Honky Tonk Man was ok at best in the ring, annoying to listen to & yet he had a phenomenal run with the I-C title. Maybe it is just by bias.

I realize that Ultimate Warrior would come in there somewhere too, but at least he brought something. The body the look the finisher looked like it would do damage (and apparently did)


Least Talented guy to ever get over? Sid. Guy got further on looks than anyone else ever. Luger at least showed flashes of competency, Sid just had the look an a weird sort of charisma. Which is not to say he's a bad guy or anything, but he's just not talented.

Stupidest Gimmick? The Undertaker is the usual default answer here, but I'll say IRS. Guy was fairly well hated for being a wrestling accountant.

Marvin had another question.

If you could make a dream Survivor Series match (4 vs. 4, heel team vs. face team) consisiting of wrestlers that have passed, who would be in it? You can include one Manager that's passed for each side as well.

Owen Hart, Yokozuna, Mr. Perfect and Brian Pillman w/ Sensational Sherri V
Big Bossman, Eddie Guerrero, Bam Bam Bigelow and Mike Awesome w/ Miss Elizabeth

"The Justin" also wants my opinion.

Hey man, love the column. This past weekend I attended the Northeast Wrestling show in Bristol, CT. In my eyes NEW seems to be one of the premier indy feds out there with a great blend of established stars and young talent. They seem to do a good job of booking mainstream talent like Kurt Angle, Jerry Lawler, Booker T, Mick Foley, Velvet Sky, Kevin Nash, and of course Ric Flair. The latter 2 of course appearing on the show this past weekend. Ric Flair came on last and made his appearnce at the very end and put over NEW and its young talent. He proclaimed that NEW had a locker full of guys that can/will make it to the big time and be stars someday. The segment continued with Jimmy Hart coming out with NEW regular Brian Anthony who was dubbed the "next big thing" in wrestling. Anthony took part in a beatdown of Flair that ended with Flair chopping him and throwin him out of the ring to give him the big rub. After that Flair dragged Jimmy Hart into the ring and locked him in the Figure 4.Anthony certainly appears to have the look and skills to be in TNA or WWE someday.

Now my question to you is based on what Flair said, do you know any indy talent on the indy scene that isn't in ROH or has been exposed to any large audience that you see can make it to the WWE or TNA someday? Also if you;ve heard of Brian Anthony do you think he has the potential as well? Some 411 feedback on the potential of "no name" local indepdent guys anywhere making it to national TV would be nice since it's always a treat to go to independent shows to see the possible "stars of tomorrow". Thanks!


Well, expect more about this topic on 411 in the near future. Brian Anthony I haven't heard much about, to be honest.

It's hard for me to judge American Indy talent well, but what I can do is list 5 people on the Aussie Wrestling Scene who could do well, in my (totally biased) opinion.

Powerhouse Theo: I've wrestled the guy several times, and for the length of time that he's been in the business, he's superb. Strong, fit, his size may count against him (he's built like Rhyno, stocky but short), but if he ever got overseas, whooboy.

Aurora: This is a hard one for me to judge since I LOVE her gimmick. But any woman as tough as her that looks like she does would do well, provided she was allowed to be that. If you mess with the gimmick, you lose out.

Kyote: Kyote is a rare breed, a big fat guy who you want to cheer for. He can work heel, but in my mind he's best as the big friendly giant role.

Steve Ravenous: Steve pretty much has a total package, he just needs a chance.

Mark Williamson: Admittedly, saying a manager could do well in TNA or WWE is kinda silly these days. But Mark is just one of those guys you want to punch, and is very quick witted.

And lastly, Joshua wants to get to know me.

Hey man, I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that 'Ask411' is the best thing on 411mania.com. I was wondering if we, the readers, could find out more about you. I've got some "either or" type questions below. Out of the two, just pick which one you like the best.

1. Champions that wear their belt around their waist to the ring OR champions that wear their belt on their shoulder.


Around their waist. It's a belt, wear it as such. Of course, I can't follow my own orders since I'm a fat bastard, but whatever, it's meant to be around the waist, wear it there.

2. Divas or Knockouts

Divas until such time as Victoria signs with TNA. But that's just inertia really, they're all mostly beautiful and all mostly talented.

3. Intercontinental Championship or United States Championship

The US belt, actually, but only in the here and now sense. The IC title is in a desperate need of a visual redo. Overall the IC, I guess really is my answer, but the US belt in terms of the look.

4. Wrestlemania 3 Main Event or Wrestlemania 6 Main Event

Hogan/Andre, no question.

5. DX (Triple H, X-Pac, The Outlaws, Chyna) or Evolution

I guess I have to go with DX, since I'm not a fan of Batista and I liked The Outlaws and Chyna at the time.

6. The Freebirds or The Road Warriors

The Warriors. Just don't ask me to wrestle them.

7. WWF Attitude Era or Original ECW

Every logical part of me says ECW, but I have to go with WWF since that was what brought me in.

8. WWE or TNA

WWE since TNA seem intent on shooting themselves in the foot all the time.

9. NWA or AWA

NWA. Tully Blanchard for the win.

10. Ric Flair or Harley Race

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

11. Dustin Rhodes or Cody Rhodes

Goldust. Zelda's overrated anyway.

12. Wrestlemania or Starrcade

I give to you my all time favourite moment in Wrestling to answer your question.



Victoria's my goddess and all, but you can see Trish litterally get ten times hotter before your eyes, it's amazing.

13. Shawn Michaels or Bret Hart

They're both great in one way and horrible in another, but I guess… Shawn.

14. Awesome Kong or Bertha Faye

Will anyone ever take Faye there? Kong obviously.

15. Hulk Hogan or Steve Austin

Austin. His matches were better.

16. Texas Roughhouse JBL or Million Dollar Man JBL

The second one, since that gave us Announcer JBL.

17. Vince McMahon or Eric Bischoff

Vince, although I respect both men a great deal.

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HHH vs. Mankind/Dude Love at Summerslam 97 used the blue-bar cage, not the chain-link cage. One of the more famous instances in Mick Foley's first book is him talking about the hardest blow he ever took in his career was Chyna slamming its door into his head.

Posted By: Patrick Mullin (Guest)  on May 05, 2009 at 11:25 PM

 
 
Before ECW relaunched in 2006, there was a special WWE vs. ECW show in which The Big Show switched from Raw to ECW. Was this The Big Show's choice to which to ECW or was it the creative team's choice?

Posted By: Ray A (Guest)  on May 05, 2009 at 11:32 PM

 
 
I recall reading that Test was considered to win the ECW Title at the now infamous December to Dismember 2006 PPV. This got me wondering, was Test ever considered to win any other World Title?

Posted By: Ren (Guest)  on May 05, 2009 at 11:36 PM

 
 
Whammy!~

Posted By: JB (Guest)  on May 05, 2009 at 11:36 PM

 
 
when do you think the ECW title began to lose it's credibility?

Posted By: Ben (Guest)  on May 05, 2009 at 11:37 PM

 
 
Chandler's your universal face of sarcasm? I think it's time to watch more TV.

Posted By: Gospel X (Guest)  on May 05, 2009 at 11:37 PM

 
 
how many times has a world title changed hands in the opening match on smackdown and raw.

Posted By: robert a (Guest)  on May 05, 2009 at 11:38 PM

 
 
is it true that andre the giant actually fell asleep during a match?

Posted By: Guest#9677 (Guest)  on May 05, 2009 at 11:39 PM

 
 
who came up with the eugene character?

Posted By: Guest#9888 (Guest)  on May 05, 2009 at 11:40 PM

 
 
who else was considered to take donald trump's side in the battle of the billionaires match at wm23?

Posted By: billy bill bill (Guest)  on May 05, 2009 at 11:42 PM

 
 
To Shawn, RE Worldwide-
I remember Goldberg talking on worldwide, too. But, nothing about Goldberg/Hogan being announced. If you live in/near Atlanta, maybe you remember a regional only promo for the dark match?


Posted By: dingo (Guest)  on May 05, 2009 at 11:45 PM

 
 
Zelda overrated?

Surely you jest.


Posted By: Guest#8839 (Guest)  on May 05, 2009 at 11:46 PM

 
 
The blue bar style cage was also used in a tag match the night after WM XIV (when the Outlaws joined DX), as well as Rock-Mankind-Shamrock at Breakdown in Sep. 98. They were certainly using the mesh cage by 2000, and probably somewhere in '99.

Posted By: Guest#6811 (Guest)  on May 05, 2009 at 11:46 PM

 
 
A more recent use of the cage was Rebellion 2001. Edge and Christian have an IC(I think) match. It was used because the holes of the cage are bigger, and Edge pulled Christian's legs through the bars, tied his boots together and escaped while Christian was trapped.

Posted By: Cyrith (Guest)  on May 05, 2009 at 11:51 PM

 
 
did jericho really come up with the money in the bank concept

Posted By: bob dick (Guest)  on May 05, 2009 at 11:51 PM

 
 
I believe Edge and Christian also used the blue cage (painted black) at Rebellion 2001. I'd guess that's the last time that cage was used.

Posted By: Ron Mexico (Guest)  on May 05, 2009 at 11:54 PM

 
 
The Mankind-Triple H match at Summerslam 97 wasn't in a mesh cage!!

Posted By: Bob (Guest)  on May 05, 2009 at 11:58 PM

 
 
Awesome work as usual but I expect nothing less from a fellow Aussie!

I marked out seeing a mention of Mark Williamson as I went to school with him and used to talk wrestling way back in the day. I'd love to see him make it but he's the opposite to Superstar Billy Graham... 20 years too late unfortunately! He would have made a mint in the '80's.

Anyway to answer your query to us readers

1. Around their waist... but for the larger gentleman like yourself I'd love to see a belt extender as part of a gimmick haha

2. Divas or Knockouts

Divas... Maryse is my future wife

3. Too tough to call if you include lineage... but here and now US Title as more has been done with it in WWE times

4. WM3 easily

5. Evolution... better theme, better manager by far, better result of elevation (HBK was already main event, HHH became main event but Billy Gunn singles pushes???

6. Road Warriors

7. Attitude Era Austin and Rock > anything ECW ever did

8. WWE. Still the big dance by far and TNA just refuse to be smart and differentiate themselves like they so easily could.

9. NWA - The Four Horseman did it for me
10. WOOOOOOO indeed

11. Goldust thus far... BookDust FTW

12. WrestleMania easily

13. Shawn Michaels hands down. Better on the mic, better in the ring and a whole lot less whambulance.... these days anyway :)

14. KONG... if the right bet was on the table I'd do it hahaha

15. Austin by a wide margin

16. I liked the APA, but $$$ JBL was just soooo good on the mic

17. Vince McMahon or Eric Bischoff

Vince as the whole Eric/Flair thing still hurts my brain to this day. Flair is a wrestling deity... treat him as such


Posted By: Pidgeo (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 12:06 AM

 
 
dusty rhodes

Posted By: Fluffy 2009 (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 12:07 AM

 
 
Rude WAS a face in ECW. (the "masked man" vs. Shane Douglas angle...of course he'd turn heel and join Douglas later on)

As for singers of their own theme tunes...The Mountie/The Quebecers, and how soon we forget JIVE SOUL BRO (Slick)? Hillbilly Jim (Don't Go Messin' With A Country Boy)? Koko B. Ware (twice, Piledriver and Bird, Bird, Bird)?


Posted By: James (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 12:19 AM

 
 
Oh, and the original Blow Away commercial had some other announcer (no one I recognized by voice, so no, not Jesse-related at all). Vince and Jerry did the Slammy version.

Posted By: James (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 12:20 AM

 
 
About someone staying face or heel, to the best of my knowledge Rey Mysterio JR. has only ever been a face. I'm not sure about all his work in Mexico, but I can't ever recall him being a heel in the U.S.

Posted By: Last_Rider (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 12:29 AM

 
 
when rude went to ECW for a short time, he was a face. He debuted on the barely legal ppv and came out to beat down shane douglas, who had major heat at the time to due breaking gary wolfe's neck. this was kinda short lived and all, but he was a definite face, at least for this night.

Posted By: Guest#3912 (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 12:35 AM

 
 
Vince Russo

Posted By: Guest#6437 (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 12:39 AM

 
 
Biggest omission from the WWE Encyclopedia, Rodney Mack! Seriously, you gotta back the Mack. I was thoroughly disappointed when I didn't see him in there. I enjoyed his white boy challenges. No idea why he was left out. Kanyon didn't do too much, so I can see why. He was really just in the background during the Invasion angle and nothing more. But I guess for completeness, he should've still be in. I don't even know who Mike Sanders is, so I won't comment on that.

Posted By: quattre777 (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 12:40 AM

 
 
some douchey wrestler named Shawn sings his own music.

Posted By: Guest#4529 (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 12:42 AM

 
 
Kanyon is a former WWF Tag team Champion with DDP. Yes, WWF!

Posted By: Mike (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 12:45 AM

 
 
Who am I?

Vince Russo. Former WCW champion, wrote for WWF magazine as Vic Venom (career in wrestling, not necessarily wrestling career), feuded with Flair (beat him and shaved his head if I remember correctly), Hogan (shot on him pretty hardcore at a PPV), and Jim Ross (See fellow "Powers That Be" writer Ed Ferrara's Oklahoma). He worked for WWF, WCW, and TNA, and got fired almost instantly after a return to WWE.

He now books for TNA, after leading the S.E.X. stable (which formed after a stint in a mask), which included X-Division champion Sonny Siaki.

Oh yeah, and he's somewhat controversial, given the frequent "Fire Russo" chants whenever TNA does something particularly stupid.


Posted By: Raptor (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 12:58 AM

 
 
Vince Russo

Who am I? A former World Champion (WCW World Heavyweight Champion), who's gone under a different name (Vic Venom) at the beginning of his Wrestling career, and wore a mask for a while at a later point (Mr. Wrestling III in NWA-TNA, late 2002). He's feuded with some greats of this business like Ric Flair (took control of David Flair and turned him against Ric), Hulk Hogan (Bash at the Beach screw job in 2000) and… Jim Ross (well, feud is a bit strong….)(invented the Oklahoma character). He's worked for 3 major companies (WWE/WCW/TNA), and is a contender in the all time Quickest Firings in History awards for one stint (was only with WWE for two weeks in the summer of 2002, allegedly getting himself fired by requested to reboot the entire WCW invasion). He's still active in the industry, although not on-screen at the moment (TNA creative team). A man who's managed champions (AJ Styles, NWA World Champion; various members of the New Blood in WCW), been an authority figure (TNA director of authority), and is somewhat controversial (claimed, along with Ed Ferrera, to be the driving force behind the WWF Attitude Era). Who am I?


Posted By: James Malfitano (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 01:02 AM

 
 
"no, no-one has stayed on one side for that sort of time frame recently."

Now I maybe wrong by a couple of months but, a little Diva named Maria has been face since her debut.


Posted By: ~k~ (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 01:17 AM

 
 
I gotta agree with you about Kyote - one of the best big men I have ever seen. A thousand times more talented then that load Massive Q.

Posted By: Shane (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 01:52 AM

 
 
Vinny Ru himself

Posted By: MachoMaddness (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 01:54 AM

 
 
In his brief ECW tenure, Rick Rude was a face before turning heel then leaving ECW to manage DX. So Steamboat is still the only one to ever not turn in that time frame

Posted By: guest (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 02:00 AM

 
 
Vince wouldn't allow WWF wrestlers to pose for photos or do interviews for the Apter mags because he felt they were competition to his WWF Magazine. When WCW started their own magazine, the Apter group published it. So there's your connection.

Posted By: subtlefuge (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 02:00 AM

 
 
With regards to the question from last week, the answer given mentions the IC Title change from SS 2000. But the most recent such IC title change happened at Summerslam 2008, when Santino became IC champion when Beth Phoenix pinned Mickie James and Kofi Kingston was the champ going into the match.

Posted By: Neeraj Angal (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 02:02 AM

 
 
Hey Jackson - koala tastes a bit like platypus but it's not as gamey as echidna. Goes great with XXXX.

Posted By: Chilly McFreeze (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 02:10 AM

 
 
Amen to Kyote, saw him at a PWAQ show in December last year where he won the belt, very impressed. Plus: BIG dude.

Posted By: y2jdingo (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 02:19 AM

 
 
"About someone staying face or heel, to the best of my knowledge Rey Mysterio JR. has only ever been a face. I'm not sure about all his work in Mexico, but I can't ever recall him being a heel in the U.S."

Posted By: Last_Rider (Guest) on May 06, 2009 at 12:29 AM

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I recall Rey turning heel (and back perhaps more than once) in the retarded Russo era WCW


Posted By: t-money (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 03:01 AM

 
 
dude that chandler joke will never wear out that is timeless comedy right there

Posted By: SAVE THE CHANDLER (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 03:11 AM

 
 
You are Vince Russo author of suck crappy fiction books as Forgiven and Roap Opera

Posted By: Greg (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 03:56 AM

 
 
Tito Santana has never been a heel.

Posted By: JackTor...S (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 04:47 AM

 
 
>"There was a match on RAW in the late 90's when Shawn Michaels returned from injury, I think, to do commentary for a Jesse James Armstrong match. They ended up fighting at the end. What match was that?

I couldn't find any match on Raw in the 90's fitting that description. Readers?"

That was from an In Your House Event circa 1995. It was Someone vs Jeff Jarrett, with The Roadie (later The Road Dogg).


Posted By: Guest#5646 (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 05:50 AM

 
 
Who are you?

You are Vince Russo.

SWERVE HEEL TURN!!!! You are actually Paul Roma


Posted By: It is always Paul Roma (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 06:21 AM

 
 
for a short while jericho sang his own theme tune. I think it was "King of my world". It was also awful.

Posted By: Tomithy (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 06:37 AM

 
 
The Million Dollar Man sang, or should that be performed, his own theme.

Posted By: Stuart (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 07:18 AM

 
 
Who am I? A former World Champion, who's gone under a different name at the beginning of his Wrestling career, and wore a mask for a while at a later point. He's feuded with some greats of this business like Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan and… Jim Ross (well, feud is a bit strong….). He's worked for 3 major companies, and is a contender in the all time Quickest Firings in History awards for one stint. He's still active in the industry, although not on-screen at the moment. A man who's managed champions, been an authority figure, and is somewhat controversial. Who am I?

This one is easy. It's Paul Roma.


Posted By: Beat you to it! (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 07:33 AM

 
 
RUSSO!!!

Posted By: Guest#8623 (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 07:37 AM

 
 
As far as the songs go, Michael Hayes sang Boys are Back in Town & Badstreet USA. Hall of Famer Koko B Ware sang Piledriver. Honky Tonk Man sang Honky Tonk Man & Hunka Hunak Honkey Love.

Posted By: Guest#5761 (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 08:07 AM

 
 
Sanders never appeared in the WWF/E as far as I know. Course I stopped watching in late-'02. So if he did appear then, I guess I am S.O.L...and you know what that means.

Posted By: Guest#4032 (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 08:29 AM

 
 
About someone staying face or heel, to the best of my knowledge Rey Mysterio JR. has only ever been a face. I'm not sure about all his work in Mexico, but I can't ever recall him being a heel in the U.S.

Posted By: Last_Rider (Guest) on May 06, 2009 at 12:29 AM

Rey was a heel in WCW when he joined the Filthy Animals (Konnan, etc)


Posted By: Marksman (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 08:36 AM

 
 
To Dingo
Thanks for the comment Goldberg interviews. I stay in GA but not Atl. Maybe the matc with Hogan was announced in some areas and not others. It wasn't even like a big promotion thing, it was just something that was dubbed before commercial breaks or something like that. During that time I was familiar witht he terms dark match.

I can't believe no one remembers the S. Michaels/Jesse James angle. I think it was when he return from the beating outside the club. On his ring entrance video, I think they use to show him dancing on the annouce table with the headset on, that's 's from that same night. C'mon, I know there is at least one HBk fan that remembers?


Posted By: Shawn aka Nature Boy (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 08:44 AM

 
 
One more thing: DK Encyclopedias as a rule are not completely thorough. Awesome but not perfect. Their DC Comics encyc. is a GREAT read, but doesn't include everyone.

Posted By: James (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 08:48 AM

 
 
SO if you're a goldberg "mark"(for example), that means you think that the goldberg character was entirely real?

You see, you're wrong. a "mark" is a wrestling fan, nothing more. The IWC tried to change it to make themselves seem smart, but failed


Posted By: Guest#1227 (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 08:48 AM

 
 
The answer to Bret vs *insert any wrestler here* is ALWAYS BRET

That is all


Posted By: mikey (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 08:52 AM

 
 
What the fuck was the point in Abe ‘Knuckleball' Schwartz?

Posted By: Chungles (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 08:54 AM

 
 
When it concerns a person staying heel I believe Robert Rood has not been a face during his time in TNA

Posted By: Terry (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 08:58 AM

 
 
In addition to Rick Rude being a babyface in ECW, he was also a babyface in 1984, when he split from Jimmy Hart's family. ALSO, in 1994, he started a feud against heel Vader. Even though Rude was out of action before they could have a match (at Slamboree), it was pretty clear that Rude was the babyface.

However, Marvin's question specifically asked if anyone who had "debuted within the last 20 years" had gone without turning, so Rude would not qualify for that anyway.

A few 80s guys who were never heels: Jim Brunzell, Brian Blair, Tito Santana, Greg Gagne, and Magnum TA. Possibly Rocky Johnson too.

You would have a very hard time identifying anyone who had not been a babyface at one time or another. Good luck with that. And you may or may not want to recognize situations in which an American babyface wrestler ends up performing like a heel in Japan or another foreign country. (I think the term is "rough gaijin" for a babyface playing heel while visiting Japan.)


Posted By: HMFiles (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 09:05 AM

 
 
When were wrestling terms such as "marks" and "kayfabe" coined and by who?

Answeres directly from Al Snow.

Mark - Your right with the carnival thing, they would have a person working near the gate simply to peak at peoples wallets when they paid, if they saw cash they would mark them with chalk or dirt to let the carnies know to target them and not the people with no money to squeeze out.

Kayfabe was simply a code word for "there is a mark around, don't talk business". Once you heard it you would stop talking about working your match or go into character to sell the show.


Posted By: Curtis (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 09:09 AM

 
 
I'm gonna go with Vince Russo, thought not sure about the mask, maybe the helmet counts from when he was concussed? Anyway...

1. Champions that wear their belt around their waist to the ring OR champions that wear their belt on their shoulder.

I prefer over the shoulder, as it allows everyone to see it and it just gives that feeling of importance to see gold draped over the shoulder.

2. Divas or Knockouts

Much like you with Victoria, unless Lita goes to TNA, I'm going with Divas

3. Intercontinental Championship or United States Championship
IC Belt, as it's the only title I've ever seen change hands live

4. Wrestlemania 3 Main Event or Wrestlemania 6 Main Event

Not a huge fan of either, but I'd choose 3 for historical reasons

5. DX (Triple H, X-Pac, The Outlaws, Chyna) or Evolution

I enjoyed both, but the DX Theme was just a hair better then Evolution is a Mystery

6. The Freebirds or The Road Warriors

The Warriors. Never saw the Birds wrestle

7. WWF Attitude Era or Original ECW

WWF, the money maker

8. WWE or TNA

WWE, though I'd like to see TNA climb the ladder to a higher number 2

9. NWA or AWA

NWA.

10. Ric Flair or Harley Race

Be Fair to Flair

11. Dustin Rhodes or Cody Rhodes

Goldust wins it

12. Wrestlemania or Starrcade

Wrestlemania, was never a big WCW fan

13. Shawn Michaels or Bret Hart

HBK, greatest wrestler ever

14. Awesome Kong or Bertha Faye

Obviously Kong... how about Aja Kong or Awesome Kong?

15. Hulk Hogan or Steve Austin

Austin. Seen both, and Austin's pops seemed much bigger

16. Texas Roughhouse JBL or Million Dollar Man JBL

MDM JBL... In JBL we trust!

17. Vince McMahon or Eric Bischoff

Vince


Posted By: Jamie (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 09:21 AM

 
 
I have a "either or" new title belts or old title belts?
spinner or winged eagle?
current IC or hbk, razor IC?
current US or wcw US


Posted By: Matty V (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 09:23 AM

 
 
Kanyon was WWF World Tag Team Champion with DDP, while also holding the WCW U.S. Title, back in August 2001. So it's surprising he didn't make it into the encylopedia.

Posted By: RocknRave (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 09:47 AM

 
 
Mankind vs HHH at summerslam 97 did not use the mesh cage but rather the blue one painted black

Posted By: AOD (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 09:47 AM

 
 
Chyna also won the Intercontinental Championship at No Mercy 1999 by pinning Double J

Posted By: Derek (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 09:58 AM

 
 
Yeah, the last bar cage match Rebellion 2001. They also used it at Rebellion 1999 which also occured well after the mesh cage was introduced. As for regularly televised matches, the last cage match would be Austin/McMahon at St Valentine's Day Massacre, even though the blue bar version did appear at Unforgiven that year in the dreaded Kennel From Hell. No idea what the first mesh cage match in '99 was.

Chandler the most sarcastic character around? Randal Graves would like a word with you.


Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 10:06 AM

 
 
Doug Furnas and Phil Lafon were not included in the WWE Encyclopedia

Posted By: Bill (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 10:07 AM

 
 
Rick Rude has been face a few times. Notably in Savioldi's ICW, and ECW in early 1997.I don't even think he portrayed a heel until he touched down in the CWA in 1984 with the first family.

Posted By: ButchReedMark (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 10:08 AM

 
 
Botchamania guy needs to work on his subtitling skills.

Posted By: demOcratic (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 10:42 AM

 
 
Relating to Austin's finisher: WCW also tried to undermine the coolness of the stunner by having Disco Inferno use it.

Posted By: demOcratic (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 10:46 AM

 
 
I don't believe Tully Blanchard ever wrestled as a face. Rey Mysterio was something of a tweener under Russo around the Filthy Animal time period, but never went full-on "call the fans idiots then cheat like hell" heel.

Slick used "Jive Soul Bro" as his entrance music, mostly when accompanying Akeem, since Akeem could do his horrible white guy dance to it. Strike Force sang on "Girls in Cars". Hillbilly Jim sang "Don't Go Messin' With a Country Boy". PG-13 rapped the entrance for the entire Nation of Domination. Rapmaster PN News laso rapped his own entrance.


Posted By: saneiac (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 11:05 AM

 
 
For wrestlers who sing their own theme tune...

has no one said Ted Dibiasi yet? OK, it's not quite singing, but he goes the entire song...


Posted By: Ray Church (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 11:06 AM

 
 
Just to the dude who thinks the answer is Roma.

- to the best of my knowledge, he started his career as Paul Roma
- Did he wear a mask? Not that I remember...
- Never feuded with Flair (teamed with him, though)
- Never feuded with Hogan
- Never feuded with Jim Ross
- I can't find anything about him being fired quickly
- Only worked for two major companies (WCW and WWE/F)
- Never a manager, to my knowledge
- Never an authority figure
- BUT - he is still involved in the business (a wrestling school in Connecticut)

Pretty sure it's Russo, like the other guys said


Posted By: Ray Church (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 11:17 AM

 
 
that wasn't mediocre, that was a botchamania botch!

Posted By: Guest#2828 (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 11:37 AM

 
 
The "Blue Cage" Is still in use today.. Of course you now know it as the Punjabi Prison cage. And now you know the rest of the story

Posted By: Horhay (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 12:01 PM

 
 
My ultimate Survivor Series match would be Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Davey Boy Smith, and Owen Hart vs Bam Bam Bigelow, Brian Pillman, Curt Hennig, and Rick Rude.

Posted By: Cactus (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 12:08 PM

 
 
Now that you mention it, "kayfabe" does sound like a carny/pig latin way of backwards-speaking the word "fake." Huh.

Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 12:32 PM

 
 
"Does anyone have on record which wrestler has turned more times than anyone else? Off the top of my head I would think Big Show and Jericho would be on the top of the list."

Luger has to be up there too, at least moreso than Show.


Posted By: McLovin (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 12:34 PM

 
 
Tully Blanchard had been a face in 1983 when the Sheepherders attacked his dad, turning Tully into a babyface to rescue him.

And when he wrestled Shane Douglas in ECW around 1994, I guess you might call Blanchard the babyface and Douglas the heel. (Since when did ECW ever have "real" babyfaces anyway?)

But he certainly spent 99% of the rest of his career as a heel.


Posted By: HMFiles (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 12:34 PM

 
 
-The Michaels/Roadie interaction prolly occured sometime during the summer of '95 when HBK had a mini-feud with Jarrett.

-The term "mark" is used under a range of definitions now. It's still used under its original premise to describe the paying customer there to be entertained. But we jaded smarts have co-opted the term for our own use such as, "I'm such a Michaels mark." It shows off your fandom to one degree or another while openly embracing a once-negative term.


Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 12:42 PM

 
 
Has Jeff Hardy ever been a heel?

Posted By: massive (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 01:09 PM

 
 
The original voice for the Blow Away Diet Video was Jimmy Hart

Posted By: Merwyn (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 01:11 PM

 
 
In regards to the heel/face question asked..

Jeff Hardy - I believe Jeff Hardy has remained a face everywhere he has been since his debut. Obviously Matt has done the heel thing, but I don't think Jeff ever has. And also you forgot Rey Mysterio. Even the filthy animal faction in WCW were pretty much faces at the time. I don't think he's ever been a heel either.


Posted By: Skiddy (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 01:41 PM

 
 
I think the WCW Apter thing had more to do with WCW giving Apter more access to Wrestlers and photo shoots than WWF did. WWF had mainstream publicity so WCW kinda used Apter mags as its public relations tool.

Posted By: Guest#7558 (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 02:04 PM

 
 
summerslam 97 wasn't the intro to the mesh cage. Trips and Mankind did battle in the big blue cage, my friend. i guaran-damn-tee it.

Posted By: Guest#0389 (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 02:13 PM

 
 
"Has Jeff Hardy ever been a heel?"

Well, right before he left the WWE, on a RAW, I remember him turning on and attacking Shawn Michaels. Hardy ended up getting his butt kicked. But soon after that he was gone, so don't know if it was ever intended to be a heel turn.


Posted By: HeyYo (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 02:29 PM

 
 
The Hardys were heels together with Gangrel as the New Brood.

Posted By: saneiac (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 02:36 PM

 
 
Ultimate Warrior (WWF & WCW) has never turned heel

Posted By: mby2j (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 03:21 PM

 
 
IRS as worst gimmick? Shawn Stasiak's run as Meat challenges!

Posted By: Rod Oracheski (Registered)  on May 06, 2009 at 03:51 PM

 
 
I've not long read Bret Hart's book and I am pretty sure that he mentions Vince banning blade jobs because they were having trouble with the steroid scandal and people campaigning against violence on tv and he mentions a couple of times where he and his opponent agree to do a blade spot but make it look legit to avoid getting fined.

Posted By: DaveJuk (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 03:52 PM

 
 
There is a Shawn Michaels shoot on YouTube. Its kinda old seems between 99 - 01. Anyway, he talks about telling Vince that the Blue bar cage sucks, and asks for a better one where he can take better bumps onto. Vince then put together the fence cage.

AND HOLY SHIT about the Michael Cole saying Austin, the new WWE champ, will be on HSN. I remember that happening. And believing it did, but after not hearing about it for so long; i started to think it didnt really happen.


Posted By: NickNitr0 (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 04:29 PM

 
 
RE:Face/Heel turns.

The Ultimate warrior was always a face was he not? Unless he was heel in wcw?


Posted By: Jigsaw (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 04:31 PM

 
 
1. Champions that wear their belt around their waist to the ring OR champions that wear their belt on their shoulder.

Paul Roma

2. Divas or Knockouts

Paul Roma

3. Intercontinental Championship or United States Championship

Paul Roma

4. Wrestlemania 3 Main Event or Wrestlemania 6 Main Event

I prefer WrestleMania 26's main event of Paul Roma vs. Chavo Guerrero

5. DX (Triple H, X-Pac, The Outlaws, Chyna) or Evolution

Four Horsemen of the Roma Era

6. The Freebirds or The Road Warriors

Young Stallions

7. WWF Attitude Era or Original ECW

WWF - They had Roma

8. WWE or TNA

Paul Roma

9. NWA or AWA

NWA for the great performance of Paul Roma during the main event of Starcade 83.

10. Ric Flair or Harley Race

Ric Flair wishes he were Paul Roma

11. Dustin Rhodes or Cody Rhodes

The little known Paul Roma-Rhodes

12. Wrestlemania or Starrcade

Wrestlemania

13. Shawn Michaels or Bret Hart

Paul Roma, greatest wrestler ever

14. Awesome Kong or Bertha Faye

Who cares, they both want to be Paul Roma

15. Hulk Hogan or Steve Austin

Paul Roma > Both


Posted By: Truthiness (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 04:44 PM

 
 
Greg Valentine was never a face.

Posted By: rafiki (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 04:46 PM

 
 
"

I recall reading that Test was considered to win the ECW Title at the now infamous December to Dismember 2006 PPV. This got me wondering, was Test ever considered to win any other World Title? "

Maybe not the WWE Title (which would've logically been the next step during his angle with Steph and Hunter) but I do remember talk during the Invasion angle where he was slated to win the WCW Title with Shane McMahon as his manager or something like that. My memory's hazy and I might be confusing it with something else but I'm 96.34% sure.


Posted By: His Bubbliness (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 04:48 PM

 
 
"What the fuck was the point in Abe ‘Knuckleball' Schwartz? "

Just a dig at the baseball strike.


Posted By: His Bubbliness (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 04:50 PM

 
 
"What's a smart mark? Is that a mark with a high IQ?"

And don't get me started on the oxymoron on the so called wrestling term "smart"


Posted By: koala (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 05:25 PM

 
 
-I don't remember any WCW bias in the Apter mags. I was WWF-only in my early days and bought tons of em for their Fed coverage.

-The Michaels interview about the blue cage being brutal is from his From The Vault DVD. It was about seeing the Hell in a Cell in '97 and being happy it was mesh (and that it had a top). Like I said, the mesh cage didn't come into play until 1999, and it's possible that the fact that they started hanging it from the rafters on that frame as opposed to setting it up before its use was a reason, though the brutality of the bars was no doubt the main reason.

I do have an aesthetic question: when did WWE start putting both sets of ring steps on the same side (opposite of the hard camera) as opposed to opposite corners of the ring? For that matter, when did they switch to company-wide silver steps and ringposts? I just started watching regularly again last year and prior to that it was black for Raw and silver for SmackDown.


Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 05:35 PM

 
 
What the fuck was the point in Abe ‘Knuckleball' Schwartz?

Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on May 06, 2009 at 08:54 AM

Because the strike was going on in MLB at the time and they decided to mock it. On a side note he kinda looked like a member of the Baseball Furies from the Warriors


Posted By: da juice (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 06:20 PM

 
 
I did notice for some reason that Luther Reigns was left out of the Encyclopedia. I had heared that he left on good terms so I have no clue as to why he is not in. That's too bad because I thought he was really good.

Posted By: Ryan (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 06:21 PM

 
 
I seem to remember those WorldWide interviews with Goldberg too in his early days. But I think they were regional drop-ins for local shows as I seem to remember him talking about going to places like Fargo and Sioux Falls.

To me it always seemed like PWI and WCW were working together just for the fact that WCW acknowledged their presence and allowed Apter on the air to present WCW with their year-end awards.

As for the WWE Encyclopedia, there is a wealth of people left out. By my count (and those of others who posted on reviews on Amazon) there are at least 40 omissions. Some of them seem awfully petty but when short-lived gimmicks like Jim Young, Big Man Steel and Michael Bollea get entries then there’s every right to be picky. Some of the more noteable omissions include Sean O’Haire, Mordecai, Ultimo Dragon, Public Enemy, Furnas & Lafon, Ernest Miller and Rico, among many others.

As for the heels/faces question, Rey Mysterio was definitely a heel during Russo’s run of terror in WCW as a member of the Filthy Animals. Jeff Hardy was also a heel in the New Brood with his brother and Gangrel. Rick Rude was also definitely heading to face territory in WCW to feud with Vader before he destroyed his back.


Posted By: Mark (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 06:36 PM

 
 
Jeff Hardy was a heel when The Hardy Boys joined up with Gangrel the form the New Brood

Posted By: Vince (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 07:28 PM

 
 
Ultimate Warrior had been a heel in Memphis and MidSouth, back when he and Sting were The Blade Runners. Then, he arrived in World Class as heel The Dingo Warrior. That only lasted a few months before he was betrayed by (I believe) Buzz Sawyer and Matt Borne.

Greg Valentine had been a face a few times throughout his career. He was "Babyface Nelson" around 1972. He was a face in MidAtlantic in 1983 when Slater & Orton turned on him. And he was a face in the WWF for most of 1991 by splitting from Jimmy Hart.


Posted By: HMFiles (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 07:32 PM

 
 
Kanyon IS in the WWE book. He is noted in the World Tag Team title history.

Also I would choose WM6 main evenn over WM3 any day of the week... Yes they are both HUGE moments but WM3 obviously has the edge... but Warrior/Hogan was the first ever major babyface v babyface match. Also the match is 1,000,000 times better and just executed far better.


Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 07:57 PM

 
 
Just to the dude who thinks the answer is Roma.

- to the best of my knowledge, he started his career as Paul Roma
- Did he wear a mask? Not that I remember...
- Never feuded with Flair (teamed with him, though)
- Never feuded with Hogan
- Never feuded with Jim Ross
- I can't find anything about him being fired quickly
- Only worked for two major companies (WCW and WWE/F)
- Never a manager, to my knowledge
- Never an authority figure
- BUT - he is still involved in the business (a wrestling school in Connecticut)

Pretty sure it's Russo, like the other guys said

Posted By: Ray Church (Guest) on May 06, 2009 at 11:17 AM

Shut your Mouth. You know nothing of Roma's awesomeness


Posted By: Norman (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 08:04 PM

 
 
Rick Rude was a babyface in ECW until he turned on Dreamer and co.

Posted By: Chris (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 08:25 PM

 
 
how many times has a world title changed hands in the opening match on smackdown and raw.

Posted By: robert a (Guest) on May 05, 2009 at 11:38 PM




is it true that andre the giant actually fell asleep during a match?

Posted By: Guest#9677 (Guest) on May 05, 2009 at 11:39 PM




who came up with the eugene character?

Posted By: Guest#9888 (Guest) on May 05, 2009 at 11:40 PM




who else was considered to take donald trump's side in the battle of the billionaires match at wm23?

Posted By: billy bill bill (Guest) on May 05, 2009 at 11:42 PM

Who the fuck are you guys asking these questions to??


Posted By: Some people are sooooooo dumb! (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 09:39 PM

 
 
Chandler is the most famouse sarcastic person???

WTF?

You guys in Australia need to get some more TV Channels!!


Posted By: Seriously? (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 09:56 PM

 
 
"I give to you my all time favourite moment in Wrestling to answer your question."

TRISH TURNING HEEL IS YOUR FAVOURITE MOMENT EVVVVEER??!


wHAAAAAAAAAATTTtttt???!!11!!



For real?


Posted By: Blah09 (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 10:01 PM

 
 
I can't believe you forgot about the FREEBIRDS!!!!!!

They sang: "BADSTREET U.S.A."!!!!!!!


"Bad Street, Atlanta G-A"
"Baddest Street in the whole U.S.A."!

oh and you also forgot,
Slick,KoKo B. Ware, Strike Force(Girls in cars anyone?),JYD,Hillbilly Jim

Those are all forgivable, but to miss The FREEBIRDS?!??!?

If it weren't for the FREEBIRDS, wrestlers would still be coming out to the sounds of squeeky ceiling fans and old women belching!!


Posted By: Neighbor of the Beast (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 10:17 PM

 
 
How can you forget my masterpiece of singing my theme?

Posted By: Jillian Hall (Guest)  on May 06, 2009 at 11:15 PM

 
 
I still don't think omissions in the Encyclopedia are strictly political, as much as smarks like to believe it. I mean, look who DID make it in(BENOIT...Nailz got a section too, also I think Alundra/Madusa was there, as were other so-called bridge burners. And no one really got buried)

I think DK just didn't/couldn't do everyone. They do it for their comic book encyclopedias too (which are still awesome, as I said)


Posted By: James (Guest)  on May 07, 2009 at 09:05 AM

 
 
The IC Title changed at summerslam 08 in the Beth Santion vs Kofi Mickie match Beth pinned Mickie giving Santino the title so that would be the last time the IC title change hands with out the champion being pinned

Posted By: Greg (Guest)  on May 07, 2009 at 10:28 AM

 
 
You are Jeff Jarret.

Who am I? A former World Champion. Yep

who's gone under a different name at the beginning of his Wrestling career. Jeff Leonard

and wore a mask for a while at a later point. Blue Blazer

He's feuded with some greats of this business like Ric Flair
Wanted to join the 4 horsemen

Hulk Hogan
Bash at the Beach 200

and… Jim Ross (well, feud is a bit strong….) Mad at Ross because he was Austin's main man

He's worked for 3 major companies
WWE WCW TNA

and is a contender in the all time
Yeah he owns the company


Quickest Firings in History awards for one stint.
Fired publicly when Vince bought WCW

He's still active in the industry, although not on-screen at the moment. Maybe if was asked two months ago

A man who's managed champions No clue

, been an authority figure
Owner ,
and is somewhat controversial
Hogan screwjob. Who am I?


Posted By: Vince (Guest)  on May 07, 2009 at 01:12 PM

 
 
Ricky Steamboat was actually a heel at one point in the early 80s. Read a worked interview with him in an old Apter mag, from back in the 80s and he was totally working a heel foreigner/kung fu artist gimmick.

Posted By: Dan Bizzle (Guest)  on May 07, 2009 at 02:17 PM

 
 
Bret also bladed in the I-C title match against Piper at WMVIII when he wasn't supposed to. He told Vince that he was busted hard way after Piper bulldogged him.

Posted By: Wat up (Guest)  on May 07, 2009 at 06:48 PM

 
 
Ricky Steamboat was actually a heel at one point in the early 80s. Read a worked interview with him in an old Apter mag, from back in the 80s and he was totally working a heel foreigner/kung fu artist gimmick.

Posted By: Dan Bizzle (Guest) on May 07, 2009 at 02:17 PM

I really really really doubt that one.

Steamboat was a high-profile star in MidAtlantic since 1977, straight through to 1985, when he jumped to the WWF. It's not like he spent a year under the radar playing heel somewhere.

Everything I have ever heard, seen, or read (until today) indicated that he was never a heel.

I would bet a week of lunches that a heel turn (and then a face turn back, presumably) did not happen.

Steamboat himself has commented several times (since his retirement in 94) that he never played heel during his whole career, even once. Granted, wrestlers' memories are notoriously unreliable when it comes to details, but you'd expect Steamboat to remember if he never played heel, ever.

Anyone else able to corroborate this?


Posted By: HMFiles (Guest)  on May 07, 2009 at 11:40 PM

 
 
To the best of my knowledge, this is the deal on the Apter mags. Up to 1985, WWF allowed "interviews" with their wrestlers to appear in PWI and its sister publications. But about then, Vince decided to publish WWF Magazine and withdrew any cooperation. Before internet and with dirt sheets in their infancy, the Apter mags (in reality the Stanley Weston mags) were a legit source of info (albeit kayfabe) so without access to WWF, the mags focused more heavily on the NWA and the AWA. They even ran angles through the mags that were resolved in NWA rings and put out a special mag for the Great American Bash tour. In the PWI Top 10, Ric Flair was almost always ranked ahead of Hulk Hogan, with the semi-shoot explanation being that Flair defended his title at house shows almost every night, while Hogan's appearances were more sporadic. Bill Apter was also allowed at NWA events as a ringside photographer, a right not extended to him by the WWF. Apter also appeared on NWA programming frequently with the "Apter Report". Given these factors, it did appear that the Apter mags leaned quite heavily towards the NWA, but this was probably because the NWA used them as a vehicle for publicity while the WWF just created their own.

Posted By: APinOz (Guest)  on May 08, 2009 at 10:58 AM

 
 
Dorothy Spornac wrote the book on sarcasm, Chandler Bing just studied it well.

Sage is the man!

Pretty sure "With my Baby Tonight" was never used as actual theme music

Old school/Blue cage was used at SS 97 (c'mon now buddy...what are you on?)

Lance Storm says that he stopped using the super kick in wwf because it was hbk's move


Posted By: guest (Guest)  on May 09, 2009 at 02:26 AM

 
 
"The answer to Bret vs *insert any wrestler here* is ALWAYS BRET

That is all

Posted By: mikey (Guest) on May 06, 2009 at 08:52 AM" - STRAIGHT-THE FUCK-UP

I too remember Mysterio as a heel

Paul Roma 4 life

Jim Powers for life as well!!!

People who started watching wrestling in the WWF Attitude era have NO BUSINESS writing this column!


Posted By: Guest#5621 (Guest)  on May 09, 2009 at 03:03 AM

 
 
People who started watching wrestling in the WWF Attitude era have NO BUSINESS writing this column!

Posted By: Guest#5621 (Guest) on May 09, 2009 at 03:03 AM

I agree. You need to have a little bit more than 10-15 years worth of knowledge.

It's so obvious because 75% of the answers are either opinion answers or they start "having not grown up with/watched/seen/etc."

Plus, if you never even seen or read an Apter mag, then how did you get your info in the 80's(even if some of the info was bad).

Like I said, when you have a guy from Australia writing a column w/ a lot of questions based around an American Company you are going to have to take a lot of these answers with a grain of salt.

I mean, how can you even talk about the territories when you never even attended ANY of their shows or watched ANY of their television???

YouTube and the Internet can only give you so much!


Posted By: I agree (Guest)  on May 09, 2009 at 02:34 PM

 
 
1) Has anyone who's debuted in the last 20 years stayed a heel/face during their entire career? (I guess we would have to set a minimum for their tenure, let's go with 5+ years)

Steamboat for face, Rick Rude for heel. Everyone else big has turned at some point, but since they both debuted outside your time frame, no, no-one has stayed on one side for that sort of time frame recently...


what bout rey mysterio


Posted By: fraleyight (Guest)  on May 09, 2009 at 04:55 PM

 


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