Please…Don’t Hate 5.10.09: Triple H (Part II)
Posted by Julian Bond on 05.10.2009
Don’t call it a comeback…Please Don’t Hate is back and alive kicking. This week I take a look back at another controversial figure currently wrestling today in the form of good ol’ Triple H. Read on for the craziness.
Welcome everyone to Please…Don't Hate, the column which takes a look at some of the most hated on and complained about wrestlers, companies, and topics within the wrestling world. I would like to first thank everyone for their warm welcome for this column's return and for leaving a bunch of good comments. For the sake of not filling up this whole week's column with tons of readers (both past and present), I shall skip the real "Reader Reverb" until I start my new topics in a few weeks. But I did just want to say just one thing about last week's "Hater" comments. I definitely appreciate reading everyone's opinion whenever they love or hate my selected topic, but for those "Cena haters" who constantly state that Cena cannot work a good match (while also claiming that his opponents are the only reason he looks good) need to look at this past week's Last Man Standing bout against Edge at Backlash. People can yell all they want about Cena not being good on the mic or the man just being a "corporate marketing machine", but PLEASE stop saying that he can't work a good match. Edge is an awesome-as-hell worker, but Cena works just as hard as him (cause you know it takes TWO people equally putting in to make a great match) and as a result easily put on one of his best efforts on Sunday without a doubt. So…please…stop.
So getting back to topic, this week I cover the former WWE champ, Triple H. While hated on a bit by fans like last week's topic of Cena, the main difference between the two is that people don't like Trips mainly because of his "family connections" and constant stay at the top of the card. I will break down again why I think that some of the hate is truly in reality unwarranted and revisit what everyone had to say about my comments last year at this time.
F@CK THIS ARTICLE AND F@CK ANYONE WHO COMES ANYWHERE NEAR DEFENDING THE CAREER OF TRIPLE H!!!!!!!
Let's begin by how this guy came from a lame-ass gimmick of a privileged blueblood to the ass-kicker of all ass-kickers, all the while being nothing more than a DECENT in-ring mechanic. That's right; he was in the ear of Vincent Kennedy McMahon, The Kliq, and soon crowbared his way into the family business by banging the boss's daughter. Unlike Shawn Michaels, (who actually had charisma and was entertaining in the main event scene week-to-week, but his indictment is a different story altogether), this guy just doesn't know when to go the f@ck away respectfully. This sniveling shit was in on the Montreal Screwjob, (which he had no place in being in at all), to sitting in on production meetings every goddamn week! It's no accident the guy blew two quads out, I'm sure there is plenty of wear-and-tear when you're down on your knees in front of the promoter all the fuckin' time!
I love the argument that the guy puts over talent. Outside of Cena, Batista, Orton, and his good ol' buddy HBK, someone please tell me who he put over that has had a lasting impact on the industry and was better for it? Booker T – BERRIED, Goldberg – BERRIED, Jericho – BERRIED, RVD – BERRIED, Steiner – uhh…..let's skip that one because he was a shell of himself at that point! The fact remains that this douche is in business for him and those who he buried have their own talents to thank for getting/keeping themselves over.
I'll concede that he has good matches every week, but does anyone remember a FIVE-STAR CLASSIC he had with anyone not named Austin, Rock, Foley, Michaels, or Undertaker? The answer is a resounding "NO". Reason being is that those aforementioned five had that "it" that so many smarks and industry-types seems to refer to, but can never quite define. Meanwhile, Cripple H, (still love that nickname Tom Zenk gave him), seems to chug along with lukewarm promos (The Rock's impressions of them still keep me laughing), lame-ass angles (Katie Vick, anyone?), and matches that follow the same formula.
Does the guy have a place in history? I'm sure he does, but not in the same pantheon as we'll remember Hart, Flair, Hogan, Austin, Rock, etc. The guy has a paint-by-numbers in-ring career, but who he's related to will assure that his pursuits will be seen as epic and eclipse just about everyone who we ever cheered for. I'm near 30-years old, have been a fan/admirer of the business since I was five, and I've never seen a performer stay over by offering so much less than anyone else.
Posted By: thechriseco (Guest) on May 18, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Good pro-HHH propganda. Yet why does he do things like the BURIEL of London and Kendrick?
They come out to help him on time - he doesn't put them over - oh no - SQUASH. Even Hogan wasn't that lame.
HHH - NO BUYS.
Posted By: Rob~! (Guest) on May 18, 2008 at 06:52 PM
I hate the "...well he had to lose a lot to be a 12 time champion" argument because nowadays, the only reason why he even loses the title is so that when he inevitably wins it back, he'll be one step closer to having more title reigns than Flair.
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on May 18, 2008 at 09:01 PM
"For" HHH
Will you people quit your ridiculously narrow minded rhetoric of "he berried this guy, he berried that guy"
HHH DID NOT BOOK FOR WWE.
Goldberg, Jericho, RVD, Steiner were berried because Vince didn't create them. In the exact same way Bret Hart got berried in WCW...Vince was never going to put an outside guy over all his top guys. Sure, all 4 of them eventuallly got a title run but Vince had to put his guys over the top of them first.
This was clearly evidenced by his handling of the Invasion angle and complete burying of WCW...but I guess that must of been HHH's fault as well??
In one breateh you mention HHH as a burier but laud applause on Ric Flair...a guy renowned for holding others down back in the day, a worse backstage politician then HHH.
Hell Austin walked out on his contract a couple times due to creative differences but none hates on him.
The truth of the matter is that HHH has been the best heel for the last decade in any US promotion. His in ring style supports this mentality and is why he excels in certain matches that allow him to cheat and use ol' Sledgy.
Posted By: Stephen (Guest) on May 19, 2008 at 03:10 AM
Good article... I would just like to point out something about the london and Kendrick situation.
Triple H pedigreeing London/Kendrick is no difference than Austin Stunning every talent the WWE had to offer. It plays into his gimmick because Triple H has reputation of being not the nicest guy even when he is fan favorite.
Posted By: Sean (Guest) on May 19, 2008 at 01:09 AM
To be honest all of Triple H's hate seems to be on the internet. I've never heard him get anything less than a great positive ovation since coming back in 2007.
Also lets not forget the reason he's a 12 time champ is because he keeps losing the belt. his longest reign was 10 months when frankly he didn't have much competition who could carry a brand as champ. I mean the champ has to be the top hero or villain of the brand and the main event scene at that point didn't have many people who were near triple H's quality as either.
Posted By: Davy (Guest) on May 18, 2008 at 04:34 PM
The whole burrial thing kills me. WWE, while scripted is set up as competition. There eventually has to be a winner. If everyone won ever single match would you still watch? That would be dumb. Politics happens in every career. If HHH found a way to work it to his advantage, well good for him. If it makes you feel better knowing you can't play the corperate politics game so you bitch when someone else does, well whatever makes ya sleep at night. If people are so worried about putting other people over shouldn\'t that make the Brooklyn Brawler the number one wrestler of all time?
Posted By: imskyclad (Guest) on May 19, 2008 at 05:53 AM
Now…once again….time to play "The Game".
My Reasoning For Not Hating On…Triple H
Without even thinking about it, I can on top of my head more specifically name the reasons why people hate HHH:
-Has too much "backstage political power" by being owner Vince McMahon's son-in-law
-Has so many title reigns simply because he's trying to beat Ric Flair's top record as "16-Time Champ"
-Continuously buries younger/underrated talent (present–Paul London/Brian Kendrick, past–Benoit, RVD, Booker T)
-Always main-events, but rarely loses
With this, let's first take care of the pink elephant in the room…it can strongly be determined that most people (i.e. most folks on the net) hate Triple H mainly due to the "special advantage" that he has as being the owner's close son-in-law…period. Sure can claim that it's not really about his family connection, but really about his constant stay at the top, and I say to this…BS. I am beyond tired of people who accuse technical horribly good wrestlers of being on top simply because of a "unique" position they may have. Fans often forget that everything they see on their TV screens are results of a BUSINESS decision and not a "I'm really better than the other person so let me squash them just cause I'm a selfish asshole" move. Triple H is simply good. He's been one of the few in the wrestling world who constantly goes out and puts on a good regular effort no matter what. He's married to the boss' daughter…so what. I swear even if he didn't do the deed, he still be in a similar position he's in today mainly because he's a tired and true proven commodity. Vince knew that HHH was always a hard worker and hell to his own personal credit knows even more now of this very fact since now that HHH's his son-in-law that he is truly down for the cause. For the so-called "work politics" people complain about so much, this stuff happens all of the time in life. Hell I even personally know about it.
In my job as a marketing representative, I consider myself a very hard worker more in the traditional "I'll stay late if I have to and don't take any easy favors" type of way. If I want to help advance myself in hopes of getting a better position, I do things such as take on extra work/projects and establish with my boss my status on a semi-regular basis (and not in a "butt-kissing, sucking-up" manner) in an effort to see how I can help our department even more. Now people may look at this as me simply playing office politics to get ahead, but I look at it as someone who's making the extra concentrated effort to not be chained to my same desk and same position for the rest of my life. Same goes with Triple H and many others. Not to be a hater on the HHH haters, but it sucks that they don't like Triple H based on the fact that they ASSUME that the only reason he's ahead now is because of his McMahon relationship (me talking to my boss every once in awhile) and not because of his actual extra effort (me staying late and taking on extra assignments). Absolutely NO ONE accuses someone like the well-respected Undertaker of playing any "political games" when he asks McMahon to help push some young person more specifically cause he sees potential in them. That's just the same as if someone else who remotely asks their boss for something and then they're automatically accused of kissing their tail and being a suck-up by the other workers who honestly are just fine doing the bare-minimum and in turn are pissed cause they're not getting ahead. So not sounding like a prude or anything, people just need to get over the fact that HHH is married into the company's family. If the man was a plain-as-day shitty wrestler and was getting pushed to the moon for no real reason (as seen before in other wrestling companies, mainly the last years of WCW), only then should one really question why the hell is this occurring. Otherwise, stay of the dude's personal business and focus only on what he brings to the ring.
Now with the "buries younger talent" and "always winning titles" complaints, I'm honestly constantly baffled when I hear this. Any normal, law-obeying wrestling fan should know the basics of faces and heels. Faces are the "good guys" who always are chasing after the bad people, but yet takes a bunch of loses here and there to make their chase for wins even more important. Heels are the "bad guys" (keyword: BAD) who are the one who usually dominates by constantly getting wins on their do-gooder opponents and then when the timing is right, they lose to help get the good guys over in the process. With Triple H's frequent wins then and now (with the majority of them being with him as a heel), the man has done so fitting perfectly into the two established "face" and "heel" roles. Thus that's why he' done what's he's done. He's lost big time when he's lost (Batista, Benoit, Cena, Benjamin, Orton, Hardy) and won big when he finally got the World title strap back. I admitted in my column last year that I despised the idea of HHH back in the day constantly being the World Champ over more "deserving" new faces such as Rob Van Dam and Booker T and also believed that this was the case mainly because of Trips bangin' the boss' daughter. But the more I looked back at his earlier title reigns (2002-2005) and saw how much freakin' heel heat this guy had during those times, I knew that the decision to keep the strap on him for as long as they did wasn't simply a "family-political" move. It was just a "let's fully establish the new World Title and create mega heel-heat in the process" move. As I also mentioned last year too was that even the head WWE writers at the time (read here for article) that while wanting to place the belt on the well-deserved and crazy-over RVD, they saw that the right move in the end was to establish the new "World Heavyweight Championship" (remember at the beginning of the brand split) by having Triple H dominate everyone to make it known that the belt was something worthwhile really based on the fact that everyone just wanted to simply work on getting it off of the super-dickish heel Triple H's waist on a continual basis. Bad guys need to be dominate in order to make the chase after them very watchable to the average viewer and good guys need to look tough in wins, while also losing big time, in order to establish that they're the best. This is the same exact method that happens in ALL of wrestling and people shouldn't be ignorant and turn the blind cheek due to their personal distaste for HHH.
Lastly…I ask…please haters…GET THE HELL OVER the "London-Kendrick pedigree" incident…for the love of God. I watched the same exact moment live on that random-ass Raw episode and I honestly forgot about it until I kept seeing everyone and their mama bring it up on a regular basis. This is how I saw this seemingly simple moment…HHH was a face, he was being harassed by Mr. McMahon (storyline-wise) for awhile and was extremely pissed that he was booked in a handicap match, so when he was jumped by 3 guys altogether at the conclusion of the match London and Kendrick came out to help, so after they helped their "friend"…HHH suddenly pedigrees both guys in an (in my opinion) assumed attempt at showing that he doesn't "need" any help and is still extremely pissed at McMahon's actions. Now we can go on for days on if this action really was a cocky way of HHH showing his dominance by "burying" the former tag team champs or if it was a silly attempt at putting over HHH's character, but the fact is…WHY DOES IT MATTER SO MUCH??? I am the BIGGEST London/Kendrick fan and was one of the first to be pissed when their push was derailed, but I thought at the time of this "Triple H/London & Kendrick Pedigree-Gate incident" that it was a semi-funny random moment with HHH being unreasonably pissed at the wrong people. Then I read people's comments about being at mad at Triple H for "ending the career pushes' of the two", while I just sat there and thought "it isn't that serious". Let me count real quick the faces who have done the same EXACT thing to other random lower-card faces before in the past….Undertaker….Shawn Michaels…the Rock…uh…and oh yea….STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN. Just because we like London/Kendrick much better than all of the other "jobbers" to suffer the same fate shouldn't go away from the fact. But again, like for the above example of "backstage politics", haters just seem to nitpick HHH just because they can. He's not any worst than anyone else who's supposedly "squashed" people before. And with all of the other people he's put over, it's definitely sure as hell not his fault if they are able to succeed on their own after the fact. For the other people he has been accused of "burying", it is not his fault that things didn't go differently. It wasn't HHH who said "Booker T sucks…let's put him in a big Wrestlemania title match and then not push him afterwards". It wasn't him who stated "Orton's first title reign should have been cut short cause he sucks". HHH may know the booker closer than everyone does (mainly due to him being one those there the longest), but it doesn't automatically mean that he's a puppet master of everyone's direction. As for the others that HHH has actually put over, people STILL bitch about this as well. Folks shouldn't get mad because Maven and Shelton Benjamin weren't pushed properly after getting the big wins and they also shouldn't get all bend out of shape when a talent DOES go over as a result (Orton, Batista, Cena, Benoit) and then turn around and accuse of Trips doing so just to "become even more powerful" (which to me…doesn't make any sense).
In comparison to Cena, I'm a little bit more frustrated with haters on HHH because the man is actually without a doubt really good in the ring. The man has proved this time and time and time again. He is the ultimate professional when it comes to doing his thing in the ring and he seems to always try to improve in some kind of way. Proof of this is with his flawless reaction during his feud with Orton when his real-life wife Stephanie McMahon was DDT'd by Orton (the man never looked so vulnerable in all of the years I've seen him on TV), along with his constant ability to pull out great matches when he's prompted to (as with his feud with Jeff Hardy and recent Elimination Chamber match). Again, haters can just hate on him for not being that good and for taking up space in the main event. But PLEASE I beg of you to stop hating on him simply because of his wife and as a result, his close relationship with the boss. It's pretty crappy that because the man fell in love with someone who's a high-up in the business that his work is now looked unreasonably closer due to the constant suspicions of him getting an unfair advantage over other talent. HHH is good. It's not because of his marriage, not because of Vince McMahon, and not because of any imagined "backstage politicking". The man is simply just that good in the ring.
Good Reasons to Love….Triple H
Triple H vs. Jeff Hardy feud promo (surprisingly very good bout and feud)
HHH vs. Orton promo for Mania' 25 (match sucked…but build-up was excellent, particularly w/Stephanie McMahon)
Smackdown Elimination Chamber @ No Way Out 2009 (the ending w/Taker and HHH was definitely sick to watch)
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Pretty good defense. I've always argued that HHH's Pedigree to London/Kendrick wasn't any worse than what Austin did on a regular basis.
Posted By: Justin (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 12:41 AM
So basically your argument is that Trip's marriage to Steph doesn't matter, and that nothing that happens is HHH's fault, because he has no booking power. Oh, and that your talking to your boss is somehow equivalent to HHH becoming his boss' son in law.
HHH worked hard to get to this point, no one doubts that. But frankly, alot of guys have worked as hard as he did and crashed out of the business anyway. A large part of how HHH got to where he is is connections, both the Kliq & Steph. Even the biggest HHH mark will be hard-pressed to say he's anything special on the mic, or in the ring. If HBK hadn't been pushing for him backstage, would he have gotten past the midcard?
HHH is a solid worker. However, he does need to be up against a better worker to get into the **** level. I bring this up mostly because someone who can 'pull out great matches when prompted' wouldn't have stunk up the main event of Wrestlemania so badly. Also, the Elimination Chamber he was involved in was clearly inferior to the RAW Chamber on the same PPV. Lastly, his reaction to Steph getting RKO'd was ridiculous. When a video is turned into a GIF and distributed on the internet, it generally isn't because of the 'great acting'.
Take the Booker T feud. Heel champion vs. popular babyface. Heel champion dominates the baby, makes a number of border-line racist comments, and still goes over clean at the biggest show of the year? Bad guys need to be dominant, but in the end we all want evil to lose. Name any other heel champion the bookers would do that for.
To use a more recent example, how does Orton getting the strap at Backlash better for anyone other than HHH than his winning it at WM?
HHH is a good worker, a proven main eventer, and a great asset to the WWE. However, it would be foolish to believe that a former member of a group devoted to keeping the top guys on top (the Kliq) and a man who is married to the boss' daughter wouldn't be pulling some strings backstage. Frankly, the fact that he has to keep himself on top means his having to keep some people out of the top card, and I'm guessing the lack of established main event talent in the WWE right now is partly down to HHH.
Mostly for that reason I believe that HHH does more bad for the company than good.
Posted By: Vordeo (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 01:26 AM
Back in 2000 he was the man, 01 along with Austin as the Two Man Power Trip, he powered along in Evolution *skip a few years* and he lost to Cena at WM22 and did a few good things so the hate wasnt evident at this time. All along I've not taken on the "He's banging Steph" line and all those others up until this year....
Only bit of proof I need to dislike him now was that fucking disgrace known as Wrestlemania 25 where he bitched out Orton more than any other wrestler mentioned. Also the crowd started WALKING OUT as soon as the 3 was counted! Ever since that HHH can go to hell for that abismal display.
This shouldnt be please dont hate, since Wrestlemania 25....
- The crowd walked out during the supposed "conquering" of WWE's uber heel
- At Backlash the crowd burried the shit out of him with a "Na Na Na Na Goodbye" sing-a-long then even started a PLEASE RETIRE chant.
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 02:09 AM
Triple H fucking sucks. End of story. I want to nail him to the fucking cross.
Posted By: John Preston (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 02:12 AM
HHH SUX, NOPE I GIVE HIM NO CREDIT,HMMM LET ME SEE WHY? First, hmmm if I am HHH ill get to the top by kissing guy's ass, like the kliq, hmm i'll suck up to these bastards and walk over people. Then, MR. HHH imagines himself sucking up to Vince's ass,(by the way HHH was the first member of Vince's kiss my ass club) so I could walk over other wreslers and reach the top and by the way he inputs his 2 cents and helping screw Bret Hart over because he belives Bret will take the title to WCW (by the way Bret is not a hypocrite like HHH, I see MOST LIKELY HHH on being capable of doing something so callous). Then I'll suck up even more and marry the boss is daughter took keep my top spot. Ill give HHH CREDIT NOW, after sucking so many guys d*@#?, finally he becomes a man and finally does a girl instead of doing guys. This guy suck ass and d!@? to reach the top. HHH SUCKS, AT LEAST HIS COUNTERPARTS r way better than him. Scott Hall rules, Kevin Nash a great story teller, HBK great wreslter, and HHH a suck up hypocrite bastard who destroys people's life to be on top. Bret Hart rules.
Posted By: REBEL (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 02:34 AM
I do believe that Triple H should be a main eventer, however, while he may be a good ring worker, he is not a great one. Look no further than the most recent Wrestlemania. Or a number of other Wrestlemanias. Here is my life experience - hard work means nothing by itself - it is results that the boss likes. Hard work is what it takes to get there. For some, hard work still doesn't get great results.
This is THE show of the year, when everybody pulls out all the stops.
As for his long title reign earlier in the decade, the points made are arguable. A long title reign with many wins does show the desirability of the belt. The holder does not need such resounding wins. Hard fought matches that elevate both (need to build that weak card, remember?) wrestlers, with the heel eventually cheating to keep his precious title would do that job without weakening the rest of the main event scene.
In no way does the title holding heel need to plow through the rest of the roster to make the title look desirable.
The Booker T storyline was written wrong if he was to lose. If you are going the race angle, the heel has to lose. Continual poor booking choices in regards to Triple H make it look like he is using his marriage.
Then again, what is the reason that he keeps holding the title now? Unlike 2002-2005, there are many established main eventers on both brands. I've heard the crowds and while he gets a good pop, he doesn't get the biggest ones.
The truest test is how many title reigns he has left. Triple H is soon to be 40. Given his injuries and age, the belt shouldn't be put on him much anymore - he should only be an occasional transitional champ at this point. This point has been made about HBK and the Undertaker. Because the time remaining in his career is limited, the focus must be on the future.
Posted By: Guest#5138 (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 02:46 AM
If you write on why we should not hate HHH and then follow it with not hating TNA, you may want to write about why we should not hate your column.
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 02:56 AM
HHH "really good" in the ring ? You think that because the guy always win clean and nevenr loss clear.
HHH is slow, there are many restholds during his matches, his sequences are previsibles, etc.
Posted By: Jin Kazama (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 04:43 AM
The main reason that i can see with trips is that at a certain point a wrestler will be over with the fans no title needed. This is true for HBK Taker Jericho Foley Sting Funk Flair just to name a few. While HHH is over with the fans for the most part he makes himself identified only by if he has the belt. While this was fine when he was a few years younger and Vince was keeping some midcarders down as he is now almost 40 and should be getting into the nontitle or transitional range. While I know that some say he is good for the title as a stable figure with it I think that by not deciding to seperate himself for the title he may actually have missed the legend status he so desperately craves. While everything cant be laid at HHH feet being the talent he is he could say let the younger guys run with it and fued with up and comers and other legends and be able to justify all those title reigns. After he did that for a while even the most jaded HHH hater would enjoy seeing him come back and go after the title again but only as a transitional champ at this point in his career. While i never been a huge fan of HHH i believe some critisism would stop if he only removed himself for the everyweek title contention.
Posted By: UnKl HonKi (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 04:54 AM
Some performers bring on alot of heat needed to be great performers, but I believe HHH brings a different kind of heat to the ring that I havent seen anyone talk about yet. And that is the kind of heat that makes you just simply stop watching. I did. And I'm sure im not alone. Look at the ratings Reason: the same ol crap from the triple h show. Maybe ppl dont like him because he's not as entertaining as mega stars like austin, rock, flair, yet he gets star treatment for some reason. hmmm..Not too hard to put 2 and 2 together. Hell, when i go to the venues and he comes out, its concession time. Triple H is the Lindsey Lohan of the business..if ppl would ignore him long enough, maybe he'd go away. This is my opinion so go suck on that.
Posted By: Son-in-law (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 05:39 AM
Good defence, I've always thought that HHH has been looked at far too harshly. As you say he's far from alone when it comes to burying people or holding people back.
A this point though, everyone's already decided to either hate him or not and it's about time everyone jsut agreed to disagree.
Posted By: Flagg (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 08:42 AM
I don't understand this column. If people wanna hate someone, then as long as they give good reasons why, don't you think that's their perogative?
Posted By: Bubba (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 09:14 AM
All of the good things you say about HHH in this column - they apply tenfold to HBK. Shawn is better than HHH in EVERY way (face or heel). But since 2002, we haven't seen Shawn hog the main event. We haven't seen him dominate most of his feuds and opponents. He's main-evented when Vince needed him and put over who he's needed to. He's only had one World Title reign that lasted a few weeks.
This is exactly what HHH needs to do. Everyone knows HHH is a good wrestler but the fact is there is nothing to justify his position at the top of the card. He's not their biggest money maker, he doesn't generate the biggest heat (face or heel), he doesn't generate the biggest PPV buys or ratings. Of course he still has a role to play in the company but it should be similar to what HBK does. Let Cena, Edge, Orton, Jeff Hardy etc. main event and bring in the crowds whilst HHH, HBK and Undertaker light up the undercard.
Posted By: jobbers (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 09:42 AM
"As I also mentioned last year too was that even the head WWE writers at the time (read here for article) that while wanting to place the belt on the well-deserved and crazy-over RVD, they saw that the right move in the end was to establish the new "World Heavyweight Championship" (remember at the beginning of the brand split) by having Triple H dominate everyone to make it known that the belt was something worthwhile really based on the fact that everyone just wanted to simply work on getting it off of the super-dickish heel Triple H's waist on a continual basis. Bad guys need to be dominate in order to make the chase after them very watchable to the average viewer and good guys need to look tough in wins, while also losing big time, in order to establish that they're the best. This is the same exact method that happens in ALL of wrestling and people shouldn't be ignorant and turn the blind cheek due to their personal distaste for HHH"
Hey idiot did you see the ratings durring these times he took raw from ratimgs in the mid 5's to the mid threes. Who exactly did he loose the belt to? Goldberg, only for a short run so he could win it back.
Also do you remember when the most sucessful times in wrestling were? When Big time face's like hogan and austin were champs, not when heel's like flair and HHH. If he would have done the right thing for the business and put over RVD back then the company would have been much better of for it.
"Let me count real quick the faces who have done the same EXACT thing to other random lower-card faces before in the past….Undertaker….Shawn Michaels…the Rock…uh…and oh yea….STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN."
Undertaker:has lost clean to guys like angle,lesner, and kali IN HIS DEBUT MATCH
Shawn: Has lost clean to everyone the company has asked him to in the past few years (angle,cena,taker,kali) he put orton over also
Austin: put HHH over countless times lost clean to angle and rock at the height if his popularity
Rock: Where do I begin, The guy was the biggest and most over star ever and put over everyone Austin,foley,hhh,shamrock,angle,jericho,lesner,goldberg,HURRICANE!!!!, batista, and orton
he even made oponents he won from look lie stars MR. ASS, Val Venus
Most importantly though none of these guys ever monopolisedthe top spot to make themselves look invincible. Stop tring to back up HHH by making stupid ass comments to try to make yourself look smart. You sound like a complete asshole.
Posted By: guest6701 (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 09:43 AM
When HHH wants to he can put on a really good match, plus I'd say he eats, sleeps and breathes the wrestling business. He really loves the business. However...
... he suffers from main event-itis, where gods-forbid he ever put himself in a spot where he's made to look like a bitch. Even as a heel he still has to find a way to come out of a feud looking like a winner.
Not to mention that he isn't very charismatic, no matter how much he wishes he could control a crowd like The Rock or Austin could. He's boring and for the last few years you have to admit he's held onto his spot not because of his incredible promos and unpredictable matches but because he's giving Steph anal.
Posted By: Zingy (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 09:49 AM
Can someone please come up with a list of matches from the last 5 years where HHH lost clean, to a finisher, no interference, no six man tag or throwaway tag matches that mean nothing, a one on one match where HHH loses flat on his back with a 3 count to a finisher.
I bet you cannot even find 5 since the turn of the century. (Orton has never beaten him clean, Jeff only won by fluke roll up) I can only think of big Dave and Umaga whilst Cena and Benoit tapped him out.
Feel free to list examples and prove me wrong, but i bet you cannot.
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 10:22 AM
"HHH brings a different kind of heat to the ring that I havent seen anyone talk about yet. And that is the kind of heat that makes you just simply stop watching"
agreed.
Posted By: mank (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 11:13 AM
I agree with Vordeo. The point is this...He's not as good as a wrestler as people think and he can get extremely boring. This leads us to him main eventing Mania on a regular basis even if he does the job...Why does he have to keep main eventing ? The HHH-Orton feud which started out good went downhill pretty quickly. I woulda loved to have seen Orton-Cena with Orton going over as these 2 are the new Generation now...and him going over Orton ?? Really ?? Way to put over the new Generation...and if you want to talk about history HHH was the one who came up with the screwjob idea. I've been the biggest Bret fan, but I've always felt that Shawn was the idiot(pill junkie) who was just the idiot, HHH was the okay worker who was and is extremely conniving to get to where he is as can be seen from his attachments with the Clique all the way to marrying the boss' daughter. I remember reading in about 96' where Hall said that the Clique would take over the wrestling world. It's now happened...
Posted By: Guest#2415 (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM
My hate for Triple H is not because of his marriage to Stephanie because I've hated the guy ever since he was in the corporate ministry.I hate the fact that since he returned from injury in 2007 he hasnt been much help in making stars other than making sure hes in every main event and gets the title every so many months.I'll give it to him the guy is talented but pushing near 40 I think the guy could afford to lose a little more as well as be in PPV undercards like he did that one year at Summerslam against Eugene.
Posted By: The Gold Standard (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM
GAME OVER? YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT I'M OVER!!!........'nuff said.
Posted By: Body Donna Zip (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 01:06 PM
You forgot to mention that HHH ALWAYS USES THE SAME MOVES IN ALL OF HIS MATCHES AND HE ONLY PREFERS TO PUT OVER HIS FRIENDS INSTEAD OF THOSE WHO DESERVE TO BE PUSHED. Who has he put over? Jeff, Cena and Orton are the only ones I can think of!
Posted By: Chris (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 01:36 PM
The reason there was nobody else that could carry the company in 2002-2005 was because of the way Invasion was scripted and because of the silly idea that a company must put over its homegrown talents over everybody else's.
This may have made sense in the territory days, but by this point Vince owned all the territories. It only weakened his own promotion, because he lacked a strong stable of main event talent.
It is also a given in any type of story that you are only as strong as your competition. When you beat a guy, you do look stronger than him. However, if you squash everybody, it only makes the roster look like a bunch of weak punks. Now, how strong a wrestler is the champion if that was his only competition.
The article also mentions booking, that a face gets less wins and a heel more.
By booking logic, the heel losses at the end (and therefore has no title). The heel wins the free matches, often by underhanded means. The face and heel split the PPVs, with the heel losing the penultimate match.
Good prevails, this is very old and accepted wrestling matches.
By this logic - the same family of logic brought up by the article - Booker T and RVD should have won in the end. Period.
Also, look at the McMahon-Orton feud. If the heel is to win (per article) - the ORTON SHOULD HAVE WON AT WRESTLEMANIA 25. In losing, by all rights the feud is over. He did not get the title he was always chasing. Triple H gets his revenge. There is nothing left to fight for.
No, at that stage Orton should have won in front of a dead crowd. Instead, Triple H wins. Sure Orton wins at Backlash, but as said having that match never made any sense.
The only way Orton losing made sense would have been the case of a double switch. The crowds leading to Wrestlemania clearly were ready to cheer Orton, but the WWE doesn't really like the crowds to dictate the course of a wrestler's career.
Here is the difference between winning at Wrestlemania and winning at Backlash. Everybody, even many casual fans, watches Wrestlemania. Backlash is small. This makes it look like somebody wanted Triple H to get the win in front of the big crowd, cementing the image of the dominant wrestler.
Unless those inconsistencies are explained, Triple H always looks like he is using his marriage.
This is on top of lackluster performances in recent PPVs. Where is the good ring worker then? When was his last **** match? Of the group of HBK, Triple H, and the Undertaker which had the least watchable match from Koslov?
Slow, deliberate talking with heavy breathing does not make a great promo. It isn't terrible, but struggles to be good and never touches great. Standing slightly hunched over, head and body shaking are not rage, only comic in a bad way.
Hate, no. Kind of bored - yes.
Posted By: Guest#3992 (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 01:49 PM
HHH RULES!!!
End. Of. Story.
Posted By: H H H #1 (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 02:37 PM
he'll never get close to flair's real number of 22 championships..he's a no talent, no torch passing asshole that makes hogan look like a company man
Posted By: dude (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 02:59 PM
Typical show:
HHH comes out, makes fun of everybody, makes them look like a joke, hugs his title, then wrestles 3 guys at once and WINS!! for the LAST 10 YEARS!!!
Yawn. Made Booker & RVD look like crap, burned us out on handicap matches, smirked his way thru a million main events, and we're supposed to CHEER him? This guy is a better smirker than Bush. Even when he put over Jeff Hardy he made it look like a fluke. We definitely need a break. Take your time coming back, Paul. All this from a consistently average (orange) wrestler. Don't forget the lecture he gave the entire locker room a few years ago on how to work(that included Benoit, Eddie, & Flair).
On the plus side, he put over Cena, Dave, Jeff, and Shelton.(& HBK-har har)
It's like defending O.J. Nice try.
Posted By: fishstix68 (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 03:33 PM
People,
I think the reason why HHH gets the special treatment is because of one reason. He's the only wrestler, not named McMahon who will never ever ever work for the competitor. When Edge's contract expires, he (though unlikely) could go to TNA for the right money (just like Angle). The same could be true for anybody on the roster. He's not leaving to be a full time movie star (read Rock). He'll never go to ROH or decide to pursue his music career (read Jeff Hardy). If Shane was as good and dedicated, he too would be in the same situation. If I run a company, I don't want to build up an employee to the point where he can negotiate me out of money or go to my competitor. When the guy is family, there is more security (though nothing is impossible)
Plu, HHH is a good wrestler. Not the best, but still, he can work a great match, talk on the mic and get the crown to react.
I can't fault WWE for pushing him. He's not my favorite, but if I was Vince, HHH would always be my top guy.
Posted By: Raunchy Ron (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 04:55 PM
In a creatvie meeting some said that HHH should do the job to Angle and put the title on Kurt.
HHH"The fans will never buy Angle as a champ, he's to small"
Patterson"How bout we have Kurt shoot on you and we see who wins?"
HHH"....." Silent
Later that event HHH did the job.
Posted By: UcantCLA (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 04:58 PM
The only reason i read this column was because I hate cripple H so much and I knew ppl would be all over this moron Julian Bond for writing this crap because if God told me "write a column to make HHH look great or get cancer" I would just be slinging snot, because I wouldnt be able to find anything great about him while being honest. He is just a good wrestler and good wrestlers are a dime a dozen. If he was so good, then he would have made it in WCW. The only thing good about this article is the comments.. I thought a reporter was supposed to be unbiased and objectional. I would bet the boss is having doubts about this HHH wanabee..though I doubt he would ever admit it.... thanks for stinking up the place.....wheres Chris Hyatte when u need him?
Posted By: lol guy (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 06:02 PM
I mean, come on........reality knocking, do you mind opening your freakin' mind? He HIMSELF even said, and I quote, "it wasn't a BAD business decision to marry the bosses daughter.". HUH? Hey, I don't have a problem with him doing what was best for his career, and please, to suggest he is sitting in meetings that NO OTHER WRESTLER on the roster is allowed to join isn't an obvious sign of "special treatment", at least call it as it is. He's like the teachers pet. Period.
Posted By: Mike (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 07:12 PM
Please don't compare Undertaker to Triple H.
Undertaker is an 18 year vet. 6 time world champion. He was World champion for a week in 1991, about 5 months in 1997, about 2 months in 1999, two months in 2002, one month in 2007, & 1 month in 2008. Notice the space in between title reigns? No hogging titles!
Triple H debuted around May 1995. It is now May 2009. That's 14 years. He won his first world title around August or September 1999. Soon after he married Steph. He is now a 13 time world champion. He has mainevented or atleast been in a World Title match at Wrestlemania 2000, WM 18, WM 19, WM 20, WM 21, WM 22, WM 24, & WM 25. The only reason he didn't Mainevent WM 23 was because he was injured. WM 17 was the only other Mania he didn't mainevent since his reign of terror began. Who was he facing that year? Undertaker. So since his initial title reign he has Main evented 8 of 10 Manias. Undertaker has been in more Manias than anyone else (17). He has Mainevented 3.
Don't try & compare them by saying they both always win either. What's the difference between Undertaker & Triple H? See Undertaker vs. Shelton Benjamin. Then see Triple H vs. Booker T., RVD, etc. What's the difference? How they win. Shelton put a beat down on Undertaker & he had to make a comeback to win. Triple H just stomped them.
If you want to drink the kool-aid fine. Just don't compare Undertaker to Triple H. There's a reason one is highly respected & one is not.
Posted By: Taker > HHH (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 07:52 PM
I'll say this, at first I hated hhh for all the RIGHT reasons, for him as a heel. I'll just go to ONE of MANY reasons why I don't like him now......do u remember the time about a yr or so ago I think in an opening show promo when HHH was in the ring and benjamin and I think MVP were on the ramp-way then he proceded to "describe" to them like they were rookies how a promo works, this is what I say, this is what you should say, amongst other things. I can't remember everything but I remember being upset after he finished. Other things and this is RECENTLY, I don't remember how but his match against Jeff Hardy turned into a triple-threat with Edge taking the fall instead of him to lose the title, him destroying orton at WM 25, then needing an rko PLUS a punt to lose the title at backlash. As much heat as he had in 99-2000, he has completely lost it now, the guy can still wrestle but the majority are seriously tired of him and it showed at backlash. One more thing, I would have to disagree that triple h is not a factor when it comes to booking, did you catch the e:60 piece on espn about vince mcmahon and wwe, the cameras went into the room where they were discussing what would happen on smackdown and triple h was right there in the room and I'm pretty sure he wasn't just spectating.
Posted By: cj (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 08:29 PM
If people are so worried about putting other people over shouldn\'t that make the Brooklyn Brawler the number one wrestler of all time?
Posted By: imskyclad (Guest) on May 19, 2008 at 05:53 AM
^ awesome, about says it all.
Posted By: Jake (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 08:49 PM
Cheers to Taker > HHH, he has it right on the money.
Posted By: Nick M. (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Seems to me that there are more haters than lovers of ol Hunter Hearst Hitler and rightly so
the wanker puts himself over way too much at the expense of others ... bout time ol Huntard the Retard had a chat with 'taker on how to be over without FUCKIN over your fellow workers !!
Posted By: HHH Hater (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Triple H is an overrated worker. He's a decent technical wrestler at best. Most of his best matches are gimmick matches.
Posted By: hhh overrated (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 10:39 PM
I never liked HHH since i started returning to wrestling in 2000. That said, I thought he was entertaining in 2000 as the uber heel. Of cos, it helps when you have the Rock to play off of. However, since he's become face, he's become insufferably boring. The complaints and rants i have in mind have all been expressed by most of the comments posted. He is stale as a good guy. If WWE insist on keeping him in the main event, do us a favor: turn him heel. again. The reason they don't want to turn him is probably becos he would fade into the background of super heels at the company now. (Edge, Orton, Y2J)
It doesn't look good for HHH. As a face, he's stale (and he's no cena, and i hate cena). As a heel, he's inferior to the existing lot in terms of skill and generating heat) You can defend him all you want, but in view of the fact that face or heel he's gonna suck, if HHH wasn't a McMahon, he'd be out of a job.
Posted By: Heel (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 10:47 PM
I'm not a registered user but a frequent visitor on this site. I did write the first post in the Reader Reverb before the second bullshit article defending this asshole was written. The posts coming to his defense following the first article weren't very valid which made my scathing review of HHH's career even more true. Fast forward to the second article, not much has changed except for the fact the entire world (except Julian Bond) sees this asshole's career for what it really is.
As much as people mock/ridicule/question the direction or opinions of the IWC, it's refreshing to see a general EDUCATED consensus. I forget which DVD it was, but on one of them there's a story where Michael P.S. Hayes says in his own special way "YOU CAN'T BULLSHIT THE FANS"! No truer words have been spoken. These words ring true every single time I watch a career retrospective video package of Triple H. The Fed would like for all of us to believe that when the book closes on Cripple H's in-ring career, we'll look upon those years feeling very fortunate that we witnessed a once-in-a-lifetime performer. I'll look back on those years always asking "What could've been for all the other capable performers of that era if they just had a chance?" Sure they got a paycheck to feed their families and perform on the biggest stage (albeit on less of a platform), but this industry deserved more. That, my friends, is the saddest part of all of this.
Posted By: thechriseco (Guest) on May 10, 2009 at 11:04 PM
HHH may have some sort of a special advantage being married to Stephanie, But Vince is a business man and if he were to conclude the best thing for his business would be for HHH to not be on top, he would not be. As is said time and time again, the final decision on any storyline is with Vince McMahon.
To me, the only way a face can truly be "buried" is to go out and not just lose matches, but lose them cleanly to heels.
The company can give a wrestler a good storyline, and push him to the roof. But that westler has to get over with the fans no matter what the other wrestlers involved are doing. Who CARES if HHH wins the match, the real question is how the other guy looked in the match. Did the fans react well to him? Did he get good pops? Did Trip sell his moves? If the answer to those questions are yes, then HHH put him over.
"HHH is a solid worker. However, he does need to be up against a better worker to get into the **** level. I bring this up mostly because someone who can 'pull out great matches when prompted' wouldn't have stunk up the main event of Wrestlemania so badly"
I didn't see WM25 but I agree with the above. I don't think HHH is in the class of a Ric Flair as far as the ability to carry a match with a so-so worker, but I also think his work rate has gone up because of his association with Flair. (I don't think it was by chance Vince put Flair with Evolution when he came on board.)
Politics may have gotten him his spot, but the abaility to put butts in the seats is what enables him to keep his spot.
Posted By: Storm (Guest) on May 11, 2009 at 01:55 AM
If people are so worried about putting other people over shouldn\'t that make the Brooklyn Brawler the number one wrestler of all time?
Posted By: imskyclad (Guest) on May 19, 2008 at 05:53 AM
A weak argument, because it takes it to the extreme.
Nobody is saying Triple H should lose clean all the time. However it is good for the company and even the way his career is perceived to put over up and coming talent.
It is necessary for the future of the company, Triple H doesn't have enough years ahead of him as a credible champion. It also makes him look better, because you only look as good as your "comepetion". Beating the junior varsity only make a guy look like a bully, not strong.
In fact many other multiple champions have been complemented for putting over other talent at some point in their careers.
The point is not only to lose, but how the match itself makes each one look competitive.
Quote:
HHH may have some sort of a special advantage being married to Stephanie, But Vince is a business man and if he were to conclude the best thing for his business would be for HHH to not be on top, he would not be. As is said time and time again, the final decision on any storyline is with Vince McMahon.
To me, the only way a face can truly be "buried" is to go out and not just lose matches, but lose them cleanly to heels.
Posted By: Storm (Guest) on May 11, 2009 at 01:55 AM
The present economy aside, business men make bad decisions all the time. They even stick with them. This is as true of wrestling as Fortune 500 companies. Back in the territory days, many promotions did stick with the wrong champion too long and lose business or go under.
It is also the nature of humanity to be willfully blind. People don't see things because they don't want to see things. Look at it this way, ratings have gone down since Triple H has been on top.
And during Triple H's heel run in 2002-2005, everybody did lose cleanly to him. IIRC, things didn't really change since then.
Posted By: Guest#8191 (Guest) on May 11, 2009 at 03:51 AM
I hat e Triple H because he is extremely, EXTREMELY boring. His mathces all blend into one, and his promos are, IMO, bad. He's either tyring to be a comedian, and doing a fucking bad job of it, or he's being all serious, in which case he's trying to find as many ways to rephrase "I am the best" as he can.
I can't honestly say I've ever enjoyed a Triple H match that didn't involve a Texan, and was only ever remotely entertained by one of his promos (DX Nation).
So you say "Please Don't Hate Triple H", and I say, "Sorry, but I have no choice"
Posted By: Quimby (Guest) on May 11, 2009 at 07:37 AM
HBK Likes HHH , so I like him too .
You can all hate , but you cannot appreciate .
HHH Is a legend , whether he deserved it or not is in doubt .
Austin beat his wife , Hogan wants to kill his wife , The Rock sold out , Bret Hart whines like a pussy for something that happened 12 yrs ago , but no , HHH is the worst . WHY ? Because he married STephanie ? If HBK Had been the one to marry Steph , no one would be debating this right now .
HHH Is not the best , but he is good enough to be a top guy . He has gained a LOT from the marriage , titles , main events , .... but he has also lost a lot of respect . Maybe he married her because he LOVED her ? JUst maybe ?
In the end , some will always hate Hunter , some will always love him , that is the way the business works . Unless you know him in personal life , it's not right to judge him .
I like HHH for the stuff he does in the ring , and i love him in DX , Yes , he needs to step out of the main event and put people over , but i'm not sure he ever will . He does seem to have an ego , but who am i to judge him ?
NOBODY'S Perfect .
Posted By: HBK LOver (Guest) on May 11, 2009 at 07:39 AM
IT'S TIIIIMMME TOOO PLAAAAY THE GAAAAME!
Posted By: Chico (Guest) on May 11, 2009 at 12:40 PM
HBK Lover,
Triple H has stepped out of the main event and put people over. Batista, Cena, Hardy, Orton. In case you forgot, he's currently "recovering" from the Orton attack, he hasn't been on tv, and Orton is Champ.
Posted By: Chico (Guest) on May 11, 2009 at 01:59 PM
HHH Is a legend , whether he deserved it or not is in doubt .
Austin beat his wife , Hogan wants to kill his wife , The Rock sold out , Bret Hart whines like a pussy for something that happened 12 yrs ago , but no , HHH is the worst . WHY ? Because he married STephanie ? If HBK Had been the one to marry Steph , no one would be debating this right now .
HHH Is not the best , but he is good enough to be a top guy . He has gained a LOT from the marriage , titles , main events , .... but he has also lost a lot of respect . Maybe he married her because he LOVED her ? JUst maybe ?
In the end , some will always hate Hunter , some will always love him , that is the way the business works . Unless you know him in personal life , it's not right to judge him .
I like HHH for the stuff he does in the ring , and i love him in DX , Yes , he needs to step out of the main event and put people over , but i'm not sure he ever will . He does seem to have an ego , but who am i to judge him ?
NOBODY'S Perfect .
Posted By: HBK LOver (Guest) on May 11, 2009 at 07:39 AM
Bad examples and a strawman.
Nobody says that Triple H doesn't love Stephanie. People say that he goes way to far in using the marriage to further his career as a wrestler. You yourself acknowledge that he gains from his marriage.
If this is true, it is sort of backward of Triple H. By standing to inherit part of he company and by having the connection to buy restricted stock, he gains far more by having a strong company. He would continue to rake it in after leaving an on screen role.
Austin, Hogan, Rock, Brett - none of those things listed have anything to do with their in ring career. Each became a legend and earned their top spots on their own. The crowds certainly loved them.
Triple H could not have catapulted wrestling to main stream success like Hogan, Austin, or the Rock. Nor be as loved by them. He could not have made a national company from the territory days like Hogan. And he has never been the ring technician like Brett.
None of their personal lives takes away from what they did in the ring. And we all know that Hogan doesn't really want to kill his wife, he was venting.
If HBK married Stephanie, there would be complaining, given his antics in the Kliq days. However, few would argue his ability in the ring, on the mic, and ability to turn it up for the biggest shows. Given the lack of main event hogging and the fact that he has lost to everybody, there would be less reason to complain.
The things you list as Triple H's faults, that you are willing to overlook, are exactly why people hate him. It isn't just being less than perfect, it is that we must endure his flaws with extra camera time.
Posted By: Guest#2919 (Guest) on May 11, 2009 at 02:28 PM
First, the word is DOMINANT. Dominate is a verb. This must be the tenth time I've seen you type that.
Yet again the "Cena can work" argument cites a gimmick match. When he can do a straight match without the Five Moves of Doom you can make a case.
Now to HHH. If nepotism and/or politics is the issue, why did we all love the guy until early 2002? By all accounts he got with Steph in 1999 and it was no secret. The HHHate coincided with him beating Jericho at Wrestlemania, and the main gripe besides the booking of the angle was Hunter coming back from injury far too soon and having a lousy match, which it was by main event standards for the show of the year.
Julian you say he fit perfectly in the two established face and heel roles. The fact is he still acts like a heel even when a face, because he can't play a babyface convincingly. But that's more a correction than a gripe.
"He's lost big time when he's lost" A rollup loss to Jeff Hardy isn't losing big. Never lost to Orton once without a built in excuse. Beat him clean, barely loses last man standing as his THIRD match that night. Wins clean at Mania, loses in a six man tag.
Your case about him building the title is a farce. They killed RVD and Booker's cred to keep the title on an established guy who didn't need it? That makes no sense. Infinitely worse, he got the title by Bischoff HANDING IT TO HIM. If they cared about a title's importance why would they start by making it look worthless? He wanted to wear Flair's title belt, nothing more.
I always hated Goldberg and even I thought the end to the Summerslam elimination chamber match was one of the worst atrocities ever, equal to the Finger Poke of Doom. And it's the second example of beating a drawing guy despite being injured.
I don't hate HHH for any offscreen reason. After a decade on top he's just stale. If The Rock had never left I think most of the IWC would be sick of him by now as well. Even Hogan's fans waned by the ten year mark. But we are doomed to HUNTOR main events until he elects to hang it up, and that's at the expense of anyone on Raw trying to break through.
Currently, they won't go one damn hour without airing the HHH/Orton 3 minute highlight package so we always know where Poochie is. Does ANYONE doubt he will end Randy's reign? Stale stale stale.
Posted By: Shockmaster (Guest) on May 11, 2009 at 04:02 PM
The Triple H debate will never end.
Posted By: Chico (Guest) on May 11, 2009 at 04:32 PM
And during Triple H's heel run in 2002-2005, everybody did lose cleanly to him. IIRC, things didn't really change since then.
Posted By: Guest#8191 (Guest) on May 11, 2009 at 03:51 AM
i don't know who this guy is, but i like how he thinks.
Posted By: Csonkamaniac III (Guest) on May 12, 2009 at 01:03 AM
I watched Unforgiven 2008 and was presented with further evidence of HHH the burier. He was in the Scramble match, came out as the 5th guy and totally destroyed the 4 individuals in the ring. The Brian Kendrick, who was getting a good push till then, prob ate 3 pedigrees (i lost count). HHH didn't take any offense from any one baring a crash into the steel steps. If tat isn't holding back talent, i dunno wat is.Im not saying he should have dropped the strap then to the newbies, but at least freaking let them get some offense in.... Dear Mr Column writer, go back and watch Unforgiven 2009 objectively. And tell me again, tat HHH puts talent over
Posted By: Heel (Guest) on May 12, 2009 at 07:57 AM
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