Brooklyn Brawlin' 5.13.09: Who's the Greatest Intercontinental Champion of All Time?
Posted by Dan Torkel on 05.13.2009
Who's the Greatest Intercontinental Champion of All Time?
Greetings to another beautiful day in Brooklyn. A strange combination of events led to the main idea of this week's column. First there was 411's "This week's Top 5" forum about the best IC Title matches, and then there was WWE 24/7's presentation of the "History of the IC Title" DVD that recently came out. Of course, growing up in the 80's, I bore witness to the best generation of that title. One of my earliest memories as a wrestling fan was watching Macho Man Randy Savage cheat like a bastard to retain in the rematch with Tito Santana while my mom yelled at my dad for showing me the match because Savage had cut a gory blade job. I was at the inaugural Summerslam in 1988 to see Ultimate Warrior dethrone Honky Tonk Man in 30 second, and some of my favorite matches ever are for the IC Title.
Before we get ahead of ourselves, let review the last week and preview the upcoming WWE ppv: Judgment Day. A few weeks back I wrote about how excited I was about Smackdown and boy what a great gift that draft was to Friday nights. John Morrison is getting a push and displaying crisp great moves against Shelton and then Haas (who have apparently joined back together). Book TWGTT vs. Morrison and Rey NOW! Jeff/ Edge and CM Punk/Umaga are moving along well towards their ppv matches, and Rey/Jericho for the IC Title should be added as well.
Judgment Day Preview – My full predictions will be in this week's roundtable, but my quickie picks tell me that this is a foreshadowing for the summer and the Extreme Rules ppv in June. Extreme Rules allows for feuds to continue and end in gimmick matches. By that logic, I think both Punk and Cena lose setting up rematches, and I expect Triple H to return and "accidentally" cost Batista his title chance. Edge and Hardy could also be done again the following month with a TLC stipulation. So basically, I expect nothing to be settled.
Watching the History of the IC Title on 24/7 the other day, I had the chance to re-watch Macho Man vs. Ricky Steamboat for what must have been the 50th time. Turning it on figuring that this time, after all the times I would be uninterested, I sat glued to the screen giggling like I did 22 years ago, as they traded near falls, top rope moves and arm drags. When it was over, I called my dad and we talked about that was one of our favorite matches to watch together. Simply said, it remains a top 5 candidate for the greatest matches in North American wrestling history. The show skipped to the infamous HTM defeat of the Dragon on Superstars, and then the Warrior's demolishing of HTM 15 months later. The DVD manages to touch on almost all the great IC Champs, leaving me wondering…
WHO IS THE GREATEST INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPION EVER…
Here is the list of the Top 10 candidates for the honor of top IC Champ in no particular order –
- Pedro Morales & Magnificent Muraco– When Morales won the title on 12/8/80 it was more than just the IC Title that he won. Morales became the first Triple Crown holder in WWE history, (there wouldn't be another until Bret Hart became WWE Champ twelve years later in late 1992). Morales was as over as any wrestler in the company especially in the WWE's home turf of MSG in New York where the Latino crowd would always gear up for their hero. Morales's first reign as IC Champion lasted 6 months before he was defeated by the Magnificent Muraco. 5 months later, Morales regained the strap fueling his and Muraco's feud all over the country. It would be over a year before Muraco finally chased down and defeated Pedro once and for all in January of 1983. On a list of all time hated heels, the Magnificent Don Muraco has to appear close to the top. Before drifting into steroid parody as "The Rock" in the mid to late 80's, Muraco was one of the major heels of the early 80's chasing Pedro Morales up and down the US and winning the IC Title twice. In probably the defining moment of his career, Muraco was splashed off the top of the steel cage in MSG by Superfly Jimmy Snuka. What many don't realize is Muraco WON that match! Muraco's feud with the fiery Latino Morales led to him feuding with and the IC Title to another Latino star, Tito Santana.
- Tito Santana – One of my personal favorites ever, Santana was much more than the JTTS he became in the 1990's. At his peak, he was probably the second biggest face to Hulk Hogan in the company. Santana was one the great baby faces of the kayfabe era, taking long and brutal beatings, before making his comebacks. He was all around great wrestler using the Figure 4, and also his patented Flying Forearm to get victories. After Tito won his first IC Title in early 1984, he began a tremendous feud with fellow Figure 4 user Greg Valentine. Valentine took the belt, injuring Santana's leg in the process and after months of rehab and surgery, Tito came back to regain the belt in a steel cage match right after the first Wrestlemania in 1985. He would hold the belt till early 1986 when a badass cocky heel named Randy Savage took it from him in Boston Garden with the help of a foreign object.
- Macho Man Randy Savage - Another one of the great of all time was Macho Man, who perfected the cocky heel routine in the mid 80's, capping off his extravagance which already included shiny robes with the beautiful and seemingly virtuous Miss Elizabeth in his corner. Savage debuted out of Memphis and quickly gained steam by scoring several count out victories over WWE Champion Hulk Hogan. His successful main event feud (money wise, not title wise) made him an obvious choice to go over Santana for the IC Title. For 13 months, Randy Savage reigned as IC Champ facing the best competition the company had to offer. He and Santana had several rematches, where Macho somehow always managed to retain the gold and sneak away. He even drew the ire of the Living Legend, Bruno Sammartino who came out of retirement to assist Santana against Savage and Adrian Adonis. He switched his attention after to George the Animal Steele, whom he defeated at Wrestlemania 2. Steele was infatuated with Elizabeth which made the psychotic champion even nastier to deal with. After several matches ending in count outs and DQ's, the final match in the feud occurred on SNME in a lumberjack match where Savage dropped the elbow to finally put the Animal down. But Savage and the IC Title are synonymous with one challenger and particularly one match: Ricky "the Dragon" Steamboat, and Wrestlemania III. On an episode of SNME, Savage got himself DQ'ed in an IC Title defense and then took the opportunity to use the steel ring bell to crush Steamboat's larynx. After months of rehab Steamboat returned and the two had what is still considered a top 5 all-time match in front of 93,000 fans. The end result was a new Intercontinental Champion.
- Honky Tonk Man – If, like many women, you judge greatness in terms of duration than the Honky Tonk Man is truly the greatest IC Champ of all time. 15 months! An Elvis impersonator with a perchance for annoying the crap out of fans, HTM shocked the wrestling world when he hooked the ropes and pinned Ricky Steamboat on an episode of Superstars. What began was the reign of terror in the IC division. His won/loss record was far from spotless in the year and a half Honky ruled. He lost nearly every major match either by walking out and getting counted out, or by intentionally getting himself DQ'ed. Never did he win a match based on his pure ability. His biggest feud came against the former champ, Randy Savage, now freshly turned face. Honky eyed Elizabeth, always a no-no with Savage and they embarked on a classic feud in late 1987. Though Savage never reclaimed the gold, that feud sparked the union of the Mega-Powers, and Macho's ascension to the WWE Title at Wrestlemania IV. Honky would continue on and feud with Brutus "the Barber" Beefcake throughout 1988, again saving his title via DQ at WM, before Beefcake was injured prior to the inaugural Summerslam. There Honky made the biggest mistake of his career, issuing an open challenge to anyone in the back. 30 seconds later, Ultimate Warrior was the NEW IC Champion!
- Mr. Perfect, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Razor Ramon, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, The Rock, Triple H, Jeff Hardy, Jeff Jarrett, Edge, etc. If I were to go through a list of the top candidates, I'd be here all night. Almost every major star who has gone on to become a long time WWE main stay, with World Titles on their resume, has started with the IC Title. It once served as the legitimizing title. If you could reign successfully as the IC Champion, you could be World Champion, no doubt about it. The classic case for this, and whom I believe to be the greatest IC Champ ever, is the Macho Man Randy Savage. He was hated, reviled, loved, respected, had talent like few others, and could put on 4 star matches in his sleep. His match at WM III is still the greatest IC Title match ever, better than the Ladder matches of Razor and Shawn, better than the Benoit/Jericho classics, better than Davey Boy and Bret, and yes, even better than Piper/Mountie.
With Rey Mysterio and 7-time Champion Chris Jericho feuding over the belt on Smackdown and heading towards a ppv match, one can only hope more big days are ahead for the once prominent title. With the cast of young up and coming talent on SD, there no reason another Macho Man, Bret, or Shawn cannot stem from the likes of John Morrison, or CM Punk.
Till next time, enjoy Judgment Day, and have fun storming the castle.
It's Bret. I can't remember a time that the IC belt felt as important as when he had it and was having four star matches with everyone they put him with.
Posted By: Jay (Guest) on May 13, 2009 at 08:36 PM
Good choice, Macho Man was the greatest IC champion ever.
Though Jericho has got to be up there when he retires....
Posted By: OH YEAH (Guest) on May 13, 2009 at 09:02 PM
I'd say it would have to be HTM, longest reigning IC Champ EVAH!!!!
Posted By: Guest1228 (Guest) on May 13, 2009 at 09:35 PM
its tough but bret hart is my dude so i'd agree he elevated the title in ways not seen since macho
Posted By: tazz (Guest) on May 13, 2009 at 09:52 PM
Ultimate Warrior is the only option here
Posted By: Guest#6552 (Guest) on May 13, 2009 at 10:08 PM
I'd love to say my personal favorite Curt Hennig, but I have to give it to Bret. Even more so than Savage, I believe he was the guy who made the Intercontinental title seem like the realistic steppingstone to the WWF Championship, as it was a difference of only two and a half months between his last IC title reign and first WWF title reign. He also had a long and distinguished 2nd run as Intercontinental Champion, and delivered two out of the three greatest IC title matches in history, his title victory over Hennig, and his title loss to Davey Boy Smith. I really think Bret did more to elevate that championship more so than anyone else and it showed more so than it did with anyone else.
Posted By: Patrick Mullin (Guest) on May 13, 2009 at 10:09 PM
honky tonk man-not the greatest in ring technician. the length of his reign has little to do with greatness.it was the fact herelished the ic title and made sure he did ABSOLUTELY everything to retain the belt.
Posted By: rey (Guest) on May 13, 2009 at 10:15 PM
perfect and hart.
those two elevated the ic title to a level on par with the wwf title. you looked forward to the ic match when they were on the card.
Posted By: jd (Guest) on May 13, 2009 at 10:19 PM
"Rowdy" Roddy "Motherfucking" Piper. Hands down.
Posted By: EZMark (Guest) on May 13, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Slight correction on Tito: He didn't use the Figure Four at the start of his feud with Valentine. After Valentine took the I-C strap from Santana, he jumped him and injured his knee by locking in the figure four.
During his rehab, Santana vowed revenge and began practicing his own version of the Figure Four to combat Valentine when he returned at full strength.
Posted By: Jason S (Guest) on May 13, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Smarks will say Hart or Perfect.
However based on elevation, memorable moments and great matches Warrior all the way. (Warrior squashin Honky, Warrior/Rude rivalry, taking it the main event of WM6)
Warrior headlined WM6 as IC champ, no one apart from him got the belt to that status.
Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest) on May 13, 2009 at 10:42 PM
Curt Hennig all the way. He picked up the strap when Warrior vacated, which put the importance of the IC belt in a hole...but Mr. Perfect took it an ran becomming the top talent in the company and in my opinion he made Bret Hart a legitimate singles superstar in the classic Summerlam match where he put him over, which was so great that in my mind it even tops Savage/Steamboat, which had the added benefit of occuring at Wrestlemania 3.
Posted By: Ronny (Guest) on May 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM
For the record Jerich is an 8 time champ, not 7. I beleive the next closest is Jarret with 6. Sadly though if you add up all Jericho's reigns you don't even get a year, which is too bad. I kind of miss the days of super long reigns.
Anyone else besides me miss the old school design from the IC title by the way? The new one just doesn't hold up. I miss the glory days of the "WWF Intercontinental Heavyweight Champion" with a desing so cool even WCW aped it a few years later for the United States title.
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on May 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM
What about Pat Patterson? He won that grueling tournament in Rio...
Posted By: It's Pat! (Guest) on May 13, 2009 at 10:51 PM
"Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig.
Posted By: Nick M. (Guest) on May 13, 2009 at 10:53 PM
"honky tonk man-not the greatest in ring technician. the length of his reign has little to do with greatness.it was the fact he relished the ic title and made sure he did ABSOLUTELY everything to retain the belt."
What this guy said. Honky didn't have great matches but he made the title seem like the most important thing in the world. Because of that everybody remembers the Warrior squashing him. HTM's title reign was one of the best booked title reigns ever imo. HTM was also my first ever favorite wrestler.
Posted By: Guest#9592 (Guest) on May 13, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Santino. Nothing beat the honk-a-meter.
On a more serious note my vote goes to Mr. Perfect.
Posted By: Bucksinnc (Guest) on May 13, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Honky Tonk Man, no question from me.
I always remembered the Ultimate Warrior/Ravishing Rick Rude feud for the belt. Not the best ever, but it always just sticks out in my memory, especially that awesome cheat by Bobby the brain holding down the Warrior's legs so Rude could win the title.
Posted By: Omni (Guest) on May 13, 2009 at 11:17 PM
I'd pick Bret Hart. The guy was perfect for the role of "Workhorse Midcard Champion to Counteract More Marketable World Champions". In other words, people may have come to the shows for Hogan and Warrior, but usually, Bret's match was the best one.
Posted By: Chief Runs With Beer (Guest) on May 14, 2009 at 12:26 AM
i agree perfect but what about piper and rude.
Posted By: Guest#5529 (Guest) on May 14, 2009 at 12:32 AM
either savage or honky tonk man. they were the only ic champs who could draw money while being the ic champ. people wanted to kill honky and savage was the first one who made the belt the stepping stone to the world title.
Posted By: Guest#8522 (Guest) on May 14, 2009 at 08:16 AM
Steam vs Savage IC title match is HIGHLY over rated. I mean the IC title changed hands via interference by George Steele, and it was a very boring match.
Posted By: Juan (Guest) on May 14, 2009 at 09:14 AM
Savage without question.
I'll spare you the joke about Savage artificially elevating the title by regularly referring to himself as the "Intercontinental Heavyweight Champion OF THE WORLD."
During his run as IC champ, Savage was arguably the best worker in the promotion AND the best interview in the promotion. Hit up youtube for his interviews from 1985-1987 if you've never seen them. That, combined with having one of the longest reigns with the belt and arguably the best match for the belt on unarguably the grandest stage in the history of the business has to put him over the top.
On a side note, Savage was so over as IC champ that he actually developed his fanbase as a HEEL and carried them over into his face run. The pop for Savage during his entrance at WMIII is telling; he crushed the larynyx of the #2 face in the company and STILL got popped for. Jesse Ventura: "Yeah, well... Detroit... they LIKE the Macho Man here in Detroit." :)
Posted By: ICD (Guest) on May 14, 2009 at 10:54 AM
At the risk of doing more shameless Savage bandwagoneering, he was so over during and after the feud with Steamboat that they HAD to turn him face simply because he would have been cheered over any face you could have put him in the ring with at that point EXCEPT for Hogan!
Look at the roster at the time! Hogan was on top and Piper had just retired. Steamboat was wildly over, but that support was partially as a result of Savage's efforts to get him over.
I can't overstate the significance of the larynx-crushing incident. It was unprecedented as the most heelish act in the WWF(E) before that time. Savage followed it up with a HILARIOUSLY over-the-top interview ("Did they take the hot dog to the hospital, huh? Put some mustard on him and get him all set up for the champion? I AM SO PROUD OF MYSELF!"), and this was when Vince, Jesse and Bruno were selling the fact that Steamboat might DIE from the injuries to his throat. And Savage was STILL getting popped for! This is a case where the WWE had to turn him face to keep him from turning the faces heel by proxy!
Posted By: ICD (Guest) on May 14, 2009 at 03:27 PM
A-Train
Posted By: Martin Lawrence (Guest) on May 14, 2009 at 04:26 PM
rikishi
Posted By: Guest#6425 (Guest) on May 14, 2009 at 06:46 PM
Who's the greatest Intercontinental Champion of all time you ask?
"Remember this. Nobody beats Mr. Perfect...........NOBODY"!!
Posted By: Dwayne (Guest) on May 15, 2009 at 12:14 AM
Ok. Top ten candidates. and you list over 15 and say etc. Whats the point of this then?
Posted By: Bobby Truth (Guest) on May 15, 2009 at 01:20 AM
Bret Hart, without a doubt. I agree with the previous posters who said he elevated it as never before. Also, look at the matches he put on for that title! Mr. Perfect, British Bulldog, etc.
Posted By: Easy (Guest) on May 15, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Here is my list(narrowed to 5), in order.
5: Chris Jericho - the sheer number of wins puts him in the running.
4: Honkey Tonk Man - he made that title an extension of himself. His reign is legendary, but the matches themselves were disappointing.
3: Mr. Perfect - His matches were clinics and he wore that title with pride and it mattered.
2: Randy Savage - Ricky "The Dragon Steamboat" match. Also,he treated that title as if it was the greatest accomplishment in the world.
1: Bret Hart - That title was not just a stepping stone for Bret. He gave prestige to it and the IC title really mattered. It was almost always(until recently) the step before becoming a World Champion. Bret personified this more than anyone else. That is why he gets my pick. The Best There Is, The Best There Was and The Best there Ever Will Be! Add Greatest Intercontinental Champion to his moniker.
Posted By: AndreFan (Registered) on May 15, 2009 at 11:01 PM
From 1986 to 1988 the IC Was the title to watch. Hogan had a tight hold on the world title, so the IC belt was it. Tito, Savage, Steamboat, and HTM made that belt. A few years later, Bret and Perfect re-defined it once again.
It seems the IC title goes thru stages of staleness, then every couple years 2 or 3 athletes elevate it once again. I think we are on the verge of another elevation period with SD. Rey, Jericho, Shelton, & Morrison can bring new importance to the IC Title scene which is long overdue.
I'm a Jericho mark, but IMO, no two ppl did more for the title than HTM and later Bret Hart.
Posted By: Skiddy (Guest) on May 17, 2009 at 01:41 PM
What kind of a ridiculous world is it when guys like Jeff Jarret, Jeff Hardy, and Edge can go on from the IC title to win world titles... but Mr. Perfect had to settle for being the IC champ and nothing more. Shows how stacked the WWF was during his tenure.
For me it's a contest between Bret and Perfect as to whom carried the title with the most prestige. To me, they both sum up exactly what an IC champ should be, a master at the technical aspects of wrestling, young, athletic, and over with the fans.
Mr. Perfect, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Razor Ramon, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, The Rock, Triple H, Jeff Hardy, Jeff Jarrett, Edge,
Posted By: nwa88 (Guest) on May 18, 2009 at 07:43 PM
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