The 411 Wrestling Top 5 6.24.09: Week 28 - Great American Bash Matches
Posted by Michael Bauer on 06.24.2009
From legendary battles between Ric Flair and Terry Funk in 1989 and Dusty Rhodes and Ric Flair in 1986, to greatness of Jericho and Michaels last year and the War Games Match, 411's Wrestling Staffers rank their top Great America Bash Matches in the latest edition of the 411 Wrestling Top Five! See which moments made the lists by checking out the full article!
Hello everyone and welcome to 411 Wrestling's Top 5 List. What we are going to is take a topic each week and all the writers here on 411 wrestling will have the ability to give us their Top 5 on said topic, plus up to three honorable mentions. At the end, based on where all these matches rank on people's list, we will create the 411 Wrestling Top 5 list. The scoring is very similar to the Wrestler of the Week as it looks like this:
#1 Choice – 5 points
#2 Choice – 4 points
#3 choice – 3 points
#4 Choice – 2 points
#5 Choice – 1 point
Honorable Mentions will break ties, but get no points.
Also, in the case of a tie, the most votes win, regardless of where it is listed in the individual Top 5. I will also use this rule in the event that one item is mentioned more often, but is one point behind. For example, one second place vote and two Honorable Mentions will defeat simply one first place vote.
So, on to this week's topic…
THE TOP 5 GREAT AMERICAN BASH MATCHES
With the WWE offically changing this weekend's Pay Per View to simply "The Bash", one of the greatest traditions in wrestling has offically been passed over. Started in 1985, Eight of the Seventeen shows took place in Baltimore, Maryland and all of them have created some memorable moments and matches. Orginally a concept of the NWA, it became a WCW event starting in 1991 until their demise. The WWE picked up the Pay Per View names in 2004 and have made it a summer event ever since. The 411 staff was asked to give us their Top 5 matches of the summer spectacular.
So what did our group of writers select? Let's find out…
Aaron Hubbard
HONORABLE MENTIONS
Undertaker Murders Paul Bearer (2004) - One of those bizarre moments that actually left me speechless.
Shawn Micahels Bleeds Buckets (2008) - Significant for being the last intentional blood loss in WWE, and for being the defining moment of what will likely be the last "Great American" Bash.
Rey Mysterio Debuts (1996) - Rey Mysterio made his "big time" debut here against Cruiserweight Champion Dean Malenko, and the Cruiserweight Wrestling would never be the same.
5.Chris Benoit vs. Kevin Sullivan (1996) - There's a LADY! There's a LADY in the men's bathroom. This was just insane to watch live, as it was the first time I'd seen something like that. Sullivan and Benoit beat the everloving crap out of each other in this very memorable match. It might be difficult to watch due to the circumstances surrounding the match and where it eventually led, but MAN. This was awesome.
4.Bobby Lashley vs. John Cena (2007) - For the record, I never thought Bobby Lashley had any amount of measurable talent. Ever. However, WWE was able to build this up as a big time match on a show that hasn't exactly been filled with big time matches, especially since the WWE started using it. Cena carried Lashley to a very good match, the atmosphere was electric, and we got a top rope FU. This would be the last major thing Bobby Lashley did for WWE, but it was sure memorable.
3.Terry Funk vs. Ric Flair (1989) - What a great, great feud. I think this match gets overshadowed by two things: 1) The amazing "I Quit" match these two had later, and 2) the fact that the PPV is always in "Best PPV Ever" talk. While I won't argue that this is better than the "I Quit" match, I definately prefer it. The storytelling is unbeliavable good in this, and twenty minutes fills like ten, in a good way. Try to see the whole show, but definately look for this match.
2.Wargames (1987) - Ah, Wargames. How I miss thee. While the match later became identified with Fall Brawl, the very first one was here and featured Dusty Rhodes, Nikita Koloff, the Road Warriors and Paul Ellering vs. Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard, Lex Luger and JJ Dillion. While later matches of this kind were better, this was still a spectacle itself. Plus, it's the debut of one of the best gimmick matches of all time, and one of WCW's great creations.
1.Dusty Rhodes wins WCW Title (1986) - It's tough to give the defining title match of all Wrestlemanias or all Summer Slams or all Starrcades. But as far as "The Bash" is concerned, this is it for me. Sting-Vader is definately in contention, but I don't think it was handled as well as this. This was a suitable epic blowoff to one of the best feuds (in terms of storyline) ever, Ric Flair vs. Dusty Rhodes. Not only was this their best match together, but it gave Dusty Rhodes his third world title and sent everyone home happy. Plus, it was in a steel cage when steel cage matches actually meant something.
Julian Bond
HONORABLE MENTIONS
William Regal vs. Finlay (2006) - First of all, I just wanted to say that I'm not trying to front here by pretending that I've watched every single Bash (especially ones in the 80s/early 90s). BUT via DVDs, WWE.com Classics (underrated video library site despite subscription price), and my ordering of some PPVs in the late 90s and 2000s I think that I've seen a good chunk of matches here…at least from the post WWE Attitude era (so sorry Wargames and Dusty Rhodes...I sadly remember Undertaker "killing" Paul Bearer more clearer). So with that, I start with one of the most underrated Bashes I've ever seen with the 2006 edition (which is sadly mostly remembered for the dud that was Undertaker vs. Big Show… in a Punjabi Prison!!), in a horribly stiff technical match-up between then-stable mates Finlay and William Regal in an US title bout, which was originally planned to be a Triple Threat until the 3rd competitor Bobby Lashley couldn't compete that night. Thank goodness for that or we wouldn't have had this.
London/Kendrick vs. The Pitbulls (2006) - Another mention from 2006 is with this sick WWE Tag Team title opener with the up-and-coming champs in London and Kendrick versus the makeshift team of other known high-flyers, Kid Kash and Jamie Noble (the short-lived "Pitbulls"). This was one of the most exciting openers I've ever seen on PPV and definitely in Bash history.
Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero (2005) - Sure this was part of the whole "Dominic Custody Battle" storyline that A LOT of people hated, but this match here between the two long-time rivals was arguably one of their best encounters ever.
5.Jeff Hardy vs. Umaga (2007) - When I was watching this match, I honestly didn't really expect too much out of it because despite the goodness of matches provided by both Umaga and Hardy. But this bout here honestly restored my faith, at least little bit at the time, about the Intercontinental Championship. This match here was short, sweet, and to the point, and was one of the best IC title defenses I've ever seen. To see Hardy try so hard to beat Umaga at every turn only to have Umaga give him one of the most devastating array of attacks I've ever seen in a finish of a match NOT involving weapons of any sort or any apparent DQs was a sight to behold.
4.Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels (2008) - This match between the two bitter rivals here to me was kind of underrated in comparison to their other much better bouts at Unforgiven (Unsanctioned Match) and No Mercy (Ladder Match) that same year. As expected, the bout here contained some great trademark action from both Jericho and Michaels, but what pushed it over the edge and made it special was the conclusion. Jericho had turned heel "old school HBK-style" by throwing his former idol Michaels through the Jericho-tron 2000 TV screen…face first! So when it seemed that Michaels had maybe won the match here, Jericho started wailing on his "injured" eye UFC-style to stop the match via blood loss. Not a popular ending, but excellent storytelling all throughout.
3. Ric Flair vs. Terry Funk (1989) - Honestly can't say that I saw this PPV live when I was like 7 (!), but watching it later on via the power of Ric Flair DVDs, I can say that it's one hell of match-up. I personally found that the mismatch of Flair's technical style paired with Funk's more rough-n-tough brawling was awesome to watch. Liked their "I Quit" bout a bit better, but this was definitely one of the best I've seen during any of the Bashs.
2. Randy Savage vs. DDP (1997) - I was just getting into my now "semi-religious" wrestling viewing around this time and was a year shy of viewing this live. But though the power of Internet and recently again on the new Macho Man DVD, I got to see this wild brawl that was almost picture perfect for the event. DDP and Savage (nWo period) were in a crazy long feud and this was another good chapter of it. DDP practically beat the living crap out of Savage for the majority of the match that was "Falls Count Anywhere" and as a result produced like crazy looking spots like DDP throwing coals from a BBQ in Savage's face to DDP bodyslamming Macho Man through a freakin' picnic table. Wasn't the greatest technical masterpiece, but was a great basic and very fun match with a good summertime feeling.
1. Booker T vs. Chris Benoit (1998) - Simply put, the Booker T vs. Chris Benoit "Best of 7" series is one of the key reasons why I watch and appreciate good wrestling so much today. Shortly after a basic match for the TV title between the two that resulted in a time-limit draw, Benoit and Booker decided to go at in a best of seven match series. For weeks, the two put on clinic after clinic of awesome to great matches that had me so addicted to the screen to watch the same two performers continue to fight one another over and over again. After the series tied, it was decided that the "final" match would be at that year's Bash. So at the same semi-weird PPV where the Giant (aka Big Show) walked to the ring for a match smoking a real cigarette and when the nWo's Bret Hart and Hulk Hogan strangely teamed up for a tag match, Benoit and Booker torn the house down, in my personal opinion, in one of the best PPV openers ever. Near perfect, hard-hitting match-up.
Jeremy Thomas
HONORABLE MENTIONS
The Jersey Triad (DDP & Kanyon) vs. Chris Benoit & Perry Saturn (1999) - I always loved the Jersey Triad and in the days when WCW was going downhill, they were one of the things still worth watching. This was the second to last match on the show and easily the best match as the two teams battled for almost twenty minutes before Kanyon pinned Benoit to retain the Tag Team Titles.
Londrick vs. Kid Kash & Jamie Noble (2006) - One of the forgotten matches, this was sort of lost in the recent annals of the Bash because Kash was released a few months later and tag team wrestling was pretty much dead in the 'E at the time. I really enjoyed it and it was one of many really good Londrick matches while they were champions.
Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero (2005) - This match tends to get looked down upon for the crappy story that inspired the feud, that of who the father of Rey Rey's son Dominik really was. That certainly hurt things, but I still always thought this was an underrated match that deserved more love than it got.
5.Booker T vs. Chris Benoit (1998) - This was the eighth and final match of a best of seven series between Benoit and Booker to determine the number one contender to Fit Finley's TV Title (the seventh match was thrown out due to being a DQ win for Booker). This series was absolutely some of the best wrestling that took place that year. The two took each other on in the opening match of the show, showcasing some seriously impressive wrestling skills until Booker T won via a Missile Dropkick to win the series and go on to beat Finlay later in the show for the title. This is a match I'll always remember for being some fantastic work at a time when WCW was starting to fall apart.
4.Sting vs. Big Van Vader (1992) - This was the match that made Vader's name. Sting had just come off wins against Lex Luger and Cactus Jack and found himself face-to-face with the big man who had been alternating between WCW and NJPW before coming over to WCW full-time. Sting started off hot here before Vader took over with an avalanche. This match was done pretty much to establish a new major feud for the Stinger, and it succeeded in making the huge guy a major star. Sting lost after hitting his head on the ring post during a Stinger Splash and then eating the power bomb, making Vader the WCW World Heavyweight Champion and sealing his fame. Great stuff here.
3.Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels (2008) - Was it the best match of the insanely good Jericho/Michaels feud of last year? Nope, not at all. But that's hardly a condemnation, and the story of the match was exceptional as HBK and Y2J went solidly back and forth for a while until Lance Cade down and distracted Shawn, allowing Jericho to try a comeback. Shawn held in there still until his eye got busted open, after which Jericho just went straight after the injury and Shawn refused to say die until the ref stopped the match and awarded it to Jericho. This would lead to bigger and better things of course, but that's far from saying there was anything bad about this.
2.Dusty Rhodes vs. Ric Flair (1986) - It was tough for me to figure out which was getting the number one spot and which would be relegated to number two, and either of the two possibilities could have ended up in the number one spot. In the end, while I love this match, it just doesn't quite have the luster for me of the number one pick. Nonetheless the match in which Dusty got his big win over Flair to take the NWA Heavyweight Title was a fantastic affair which saw the two long-time enemies go mano e mano within the confines of a steel cage. Dusty getting the big win was a great moment and it's hard not to love this match.
1.Terry Funk vs. Ric Flair (1989) - I can't help it; I just love Funk vs. Flair, and could watch their matches together forever. Like Aaron said, this wasn't quite as good as their I Quit match four months later. It's still one of the classic matches on a card that is must-see in every sense of the word. The emotion these two sold was amazing, the brawling was unbelievable and this was an example of wrestling psychology at its finest. If you don't know this match folks, you need to because it's just absolutely fantastic.
Larry Csonka
HONORABLE MENTIONS
Booker T vs. Chris Benoit (1998) - I was a big fan of their series of matches, and this was the culmination.
WCW World Title: Sting vs. Big Van Vader (w/Harley Race) (1992) - Sting and Vader were to me, a perfect template of how to work the big man vs. little man formula. I can pop in almost any of their matches, and know I will enjoy what I watch.
NWA World Heavyweight Title: Ric Flair vs. Terry Funk (w/Gary Hart) (1989) - I am more partial to the I QUIT match, but this is also a damn fine match. Funk, like bruiser Brody, was one of the few guys that could get Flair out of his comfort zone, but still make it work.
5. World TV Title: Sting (w/Eddie Gilbert) vs. The Great Muta (w/Gary Hart) (1989) - Sting makes another appearance on the list for, as this is one of my favorite matches he has with Muta. I wish that people that do nothing but shit on Sting because he works for TNA and because he never worked for WWE would go back and look at his body of work, because this match is a great one. This is the second match from 1989 on my list, what a great show.
4. Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels (2008) - The Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels feud was such a great part of 2008, and they were a great par of last year's GREAT AMERICAN BASH PPV. I understand the WWE going PG, but I for one want some ruthless kick ass action with some blood, since, you know, blood feuds tend to require that. But hey, that's just me…
3. U.S. Title: Lex Luger vs. Ricky Steamboat (1989) - Most people will not believe it, but yes, Lex Luger had a better match on the 1989 card than Flair, Funk, Muta and or Sting. Not by much mind you, but right here is one of Lex Luger's very best matches, against a great man, Ricky Steamboat. For as much shit as Lex Luger takes for being a "Bad Worker", he did step up when in there with the great ones, and wasn't carried. Show Lex some love people, he wasn't that bad.
2. Wargames (1987) - Ric Flair, Lex Luger, Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard, & JJ Dillon vs. Dusty Rhodes, Nikita Koloff, Road Warrior Hawk, Road Warrior Animal, & Paul Ellering waging FUCKING WAR on each other to an insane degree. War Games was such a part of my growing up an NWA fan. The Horsemen, the coolest bad guys against The Road Warriors and Precious Paul, my man back in the day Dusty Rhodes and the former nemesis Nikita Koloff. Besides this OWNING to an insane degree, the best part of this was the constant fear that Nikita would turn on the good guys, but then he got in there, and all was well, SHIT WAS ON! Dear God I miss War Games.
1. Dusty Rhodes Wins NWA Title (1986) - I grew up an NWA fan, as I watched that more than anything else. When I was a young lad, Dusty Rhodes was just the shit. He was a guy that sounded cool, would take the worst beat downs but some how, he would always come back and show that he could win. He battled the odds constantly, and as a young kid made me believe that anything was possible.
After all of the shit the Horsemen put him through, Dusty and Flair would battle on July 26th on 1986 in the steel cage. And this was the night that Dusty would win his third NWA World Title, live the American Dream, and hell, he was just the shit. Making lists like this make me miss the old days…
Ryan Byers
HONORABLE MENTIONS
Rick Steiner & Missy Hyatt vs. Arn Anderson & Paul E. Dangerously in a Steel Cage Match (1991) - One of the things that I realized in preparing for this column is that, honestly, there AREN'T that many awesome Great American Bash matches . . . so I may as well give an HM nod to this one, which was memorable for being outright bizarre if nothing else, especially when you consider the fact that it go to go on last in 1991.
Chris Benoit vs. Kevin Sullivan in a Falls Count Anywhere Match (1996) - I couldn't put this in my Top 5 because it was a shorter, undercard match, but I will eat my hat if you can find me a mid-90's WCW fan who doesn't remember the brutal bouts that these two had at the time, including their regular trips in to the ladies' restroom.
Dean Malenko vs. Rey Misterio, Jr. for the WCW Cruiserweight Title (1996) - This has some historical significance because it was Rey Rey's debut with one of the "big two" in the United States, but, even if you brush that aside, it's a legitimate ****+ match. The scary thing is that they had a rematch the next night on Nitro which may have been even better.
5.Randy Savage vs. Diamond Dallas Page in a Falls Count Anywhere Match (1997) - Let's face it, the glory days of the Bash were in the 1980's, with the decades of the 90's and the 00's largely being skippable. However, this match is a notable exception. Despite the fact that it got a reputation as the company that never put new faces over, WCW during the height of its popularity legitimately turned Diamond Dallas Page in to one of the five most popular wrestlers in the country. People forget just how over DDP was at his peak because of how he was treated in the later years of his career. His popularity was in large part a result of his super-heated feud with Randy Savage, and the Great American Bash played host to the no holds barred rematch of their first encounter. Page more than proved his worth in this bout, and the Macho Man showed that he still remembered some tricks from the wild brawls that were commonplace in the Memphis wrestling territories where he first gained notoriety.
4.The Midnight Express vs. The Fantastics for the NWA United States Tag Team Championship (1988) - Everybody loves and raves about the feud between the Midnight Express and the Rock 'n' Roll Express, but most people forget that a close second to the work done by the Midnights and the Rock 'n' Rolls was the work done by the Midnights and the Fantastics. Their rivalry began in Bill Watts' Mid-South Wrestling, but it carried over to Jim Crockett Promotions, leading to their highest profile bout at Bash '88. It's a fifteen minute thrill ride that is not to be missed.
3.The Roadwarriors, Nikita Koloff, Dusty Rhodes, & Paul Ellering vs. Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, Lex Luger, Tully Blanchard, & JJ Dillon in a War Games Match (1987) - Do you remember the first time that you fell in love? A lot of professional wrestling fans remember the 1987 Great American Bash as the first time that they fell in love . . . not with a member of the opposite sex but rather with a gimmick match. War Games made its debut at the Bash twenty-two years ago, and, though later versions of the match were probably better overall bouts, this one was still awesome and set the bar for subsequent contests quite high. When a match develops such a following that people are still clamoring for its return a decade after it was last seen, you know that you've got a significant match on your hands . . . and its first incarnation definitely deserves to be celebrated.
2.Ric Flair vs. Ricky Morton in a Steel Cage Match for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship (1986) - I know some people who aren't too high on this match because they didn't think that Morton, as a "tag team guy," had a legitimate chance of walking out of the cage with the championship. It is true that, realistically, he might not have had that great of a chance. However, if you throw that aside and watch the match without the context of the men's positions on the roster, it . . . is . . . AWESOME. In the mid-1980's, Morton could do a better job of selling a beating than anybody on the planet. Meanwhile, Flair knew how to be an absolutely devious SOB, a man capable of making any opponent's life a living hell with his less than sporting tactics. Put the two men together and it was a combination for unbridled in-ring success. The only thing preventing it from being remembered as an all-time classic is the fact that it wasn't the culmination of a major championship program and was instead a one-off title shot for a man who did not normally compete in main events.
1.Ric Flair vs. Terry Funk for the NWA World Heavyweight Title (1989) - Flair/Funk '89 is a feud that should be the stuff of legend. However, it's often overlooked because it just happened to take place in the same year as the absolutely classic Flair/Steamboat feud. Fortunately, 411's Top 5 has managed to cast some light on this somewhat-forgotten classic series of the matches. The "I Quit" match between the two men got a lot of play when we counted down the top five gimmick matches and the top five free TV matches. Though it wasn't quite as good as the Clash rematch, the non-gimmicked Flair/Funk encounter from Bash '89 is still an awe inspiring battle the likes of which few cards have seen. If you haven't seen it yet because you've been too busy tracking down other matches from the same year, you owe it to yourself to change that immediately.
Can someone please explain the point of this column to me? You mention points at the beginning but there is usually not a recap at the end with what the consensus was. Instead, it just reads like a bunch of wrestling nerds spouting off for no reason.
Posted By: ODog (Guest) on June 23, 2009 at 11:25 PM
Honorable Mention: Flair-Morton '86
5. Benoit-Sullivan '96
4. Dusty-Flair '86
3. War Games I '87
2. Midnight Exp.-Southern Boys '90
1. Flair-Funk '89
Posted By: DocSarpolis (Guest) on June 23, 2009 at 11:43 PM
Why does no one remember Benoit vs Guerrero for the US Title in 2004? That was an epic match!
Posted By: Beki (Guest) on June 23, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Not a single mention of JBL vs. Eddie Guerrero in 2004's Texas Bull Rope Match for the WWE Title. It was a great match, that not only saw the beginning of the rise of JBL, but it was one of Eddie's last featured WWE title PPV bouts. Yet, everyone must drool over the Pitbulls vs. London/Kendrick? I didn't know that had any significance whatsoever on the history of the Great American Bash. It was more or less forgotten about the next day. Good list all around, but please get some variety in these lists. They almost all read the same with Jericho/HBK being #4 one too many times. JBL/Eddie-2004-rememeber it.
Posted By: JUSTINW (Guest) on June 23, 2009 at 11:50 PM
"Can someone please explain the point of this column to me? You mention points at the beginning but there is usually not a recap at the end with what the consensus was. Instead, it just reads like a bunch of wrestling nerds spouting off for no reason."
I was wondering this too. The old columns used to recap, but the past few have not... kinda sucks and makes it all pointless lol
Posted By: Randy (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 01:02 AM
Why does no one remember Benoit vs Guerrero for the US Title in 2004? That was an epic match!
Posted By: Beki (Guest) on June 23, 2009 at 11:46 PM
^^^
1. That match happened in 2003 WWE didn't use GAB until 2004.
2. The match your thinking of happened at Vengeance 2003
Posted By: ErvGotti85 (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 01:12 AM
The NWA Bash was it, after that forget it.
"Dusty Rhodes wins WCW Title" - come on man, it's the NWA title. Sheesh.
Posted By: Dr Phil (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 01:13 AM
"Why does no one remember Benoit vs Guerrero for the US Title in 2004? That was an epic match!"
I'm pretty sure that was Vengeance in 2003.
Glad to see HBK/Jericho from last year getting some love. A lot of folks seemed down on that finish when it went down.
Posted By: AJP (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 01:26 AM
1 Flair vs. Rhodes 86
2 Wargames 87
3 Flair vs Funk 89
4 Steamboat vs. Luger 89
5 Midnights vs. Fantastics 88
Also I believe Benoit vs. Eddy is from Vengeance 03.
Posted By: Hawk316 (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 02:08 AM
Can someone please explain the point of this column to me? You mention points at the beginning but there is usually not a recap at the end with what the consensus was. Instead, it just reads like a bunch of wrestling nerds spouting off for no reason.
Posted By: ODog (Guest) on June 23, 2009 at 11:25 PM
Well there is the up coming PPV and all . . . that could be a reason. Just saying.
As for how it reads, you just described all special interest websites. You don't have to love it, but that is much of the internet. People with a common interest spouting off about that interest.
Posted By: Guest#0973 (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 02:18 AM
No one mentioned Benoit v JBL in 2004? This shit is so rigged. Freakin liberals!
Posted By: Guest#0061 (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 02:19 AM
Who is this Benoit guy everyone keeps saying? I thought it over and combed the history on WWE.com and I just don't see him.
Posted By: Kayfabe 24/7 (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 03:22 AM
"Can someone please explain the point of this column to me?"
It is to list all the writer's Top 5 lists in various categories. Usually, it is to either spark discussion, introduce newer fans to stuff they can seek out that they might enjoy, or just to remember great things from the past.
It is also one of the most read columns on the site, so that is a pretty big point of the column too. A lot of people seem to like it. You know, that's what columns are for.
Posted By: Shawn S Lealos (Registered) on June 24, 2009 at 03:49 AM
Yes, we usually do have an overall Top 5, but when you only have 5 people making an opinion, it makes that part of it really hard to do and really pointless.
Posted By: Tower of Bauer (Registered) on June 24, 2009 at 07:12 AM
"Ric Flair vs. Dusty Rhodes. Not only was this their best match together ... "
Huh?
Really?
They've probably wrestled each other over 500 times between 1979 and 1988, and this one is the best. Ever.
Riiiiiight.
Posted By: Huh?? (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 10:28 AM
in 2004, It was Cena vs RVD vs Booker T vs Rene Dupre for the US title.
Posted By: Guest#2278 (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 12:02 PM
"...Yet, everyone must drool over the Pitbulls vs. London/Kendrick?..."
Posted By: JUSTINW (Guest) on June 23, 2009 at 11:50 PM
Only two of the five mentioned it, and it was only as an honorable mention.
Posted By: Eric von Erich (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Top 5 GAB matches:
1. WarGames w/Dillon (Bash '87)
2. Flair vs Funk (Bash '89)
3. Sting/Nikita vs Blanchard/Anderson (Bash '88)
4. Flair vs Rhodes (Bash '86)
5. Benoit vs Sullivan (Bash '96) Lady in the men's bathroom, what was she doing in there?
Honorable Mention no particular order:
Malenko vs Mysterio (Bash '96)
Fantastics vs Mid Night Express (Bash '88)
WarGames (Bash '89)
Sting vs Muta (Bash '89)
Steamboat vs Luger (Bash '89)
Sting vs Flair (Bash '90)
Williams/Gordy vs Windham/Rhodes (Bash '92)
If you don't like my list, well its my opinion, not yours. Thats the "Truth" deal with it.
Posted By: The Truth (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Stop putting up lists in the comments section. No one cares about them at all. It has nothing to do with liking or disliking your opinion, it has to do with not giving a crap about your list.
Ditto for Wrestler of the Week columns. We click the columns to see what the writers say, not what you guys think of the topic.
Posted By: Lanoit (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 01:11 PM
Can someone please explain the point of this column to me?"
It is to list all the writer's Top 5 lists in various categories. Usually, it is to either spark discussion, introduce newer fans to stuff they can seek out that they might enjoy, or just to remember great things from the past.
It is also one of the most read columns on the site, so that is a pretty big point of the column too. A lot of people seem to like it. You know, that's what columns are for.
Posted By: Shawn S Lealos (Registered
i think what he means there fagalos is the column used to be recaped listing the winning top 5.
Posted By: Guest#5763 (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 01:34 PM
They've probably wrestled each other over 500 times between 1979 and 1988, and this one is the best. Ever.
Riiiiiight.
Posted By: Huh?? (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 10:28 AM
Matches at George Washington High School, in front of 150 people, don't mean shit to most people. This why you only see high profile matches being considered.
Posted By: Duh! (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 01:45 PM
"Ric Flair vs. Dusty Rhodes. Not only was this their best match together ... "
Huh?
Really?
They've probably wrestled each other over 500 times between 1979 and 1988, and this one is the best. Ever.
Riiiiiight.
Posted By: Huh??
*****
Simple. Screwjob finishes, hour-long draws, and Dusty Rhodes in general tend to make for average at best matches.
This one had drama, didn't go to long, and had a clean finish. Win.
Posted By: Chief Runs With Beer (Registered) on June 24, 2009 at 02:12 PM
LOL at Aaron Hubbard for being a tool and having Cena vs Lashley on his list over all the great matches he had to choose from.... how does this guy work for this website???
Posted By: kevin (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 02:41 PM
Stop putting up lists in the comments section. No one cares about them at all. It has nothing to do with liking or disliking your opinion, it has to do with not giving a crap about your list.
Ditto for Wrestler of the Week columns. We click the columns to see what the writers say, not what you guys think of the topic.
Posted By: Lanoit (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 01:11 PM
Shut up you communist/facist. No one cares what you think or have to say. The people are entitled to their opinion and that's what counts, not your whinny attitude. So the rest of the free world a favor and keep your communist/facist opinion to yourself or move to North Korea, China, Russia, or any Arab country, it might suit you better.
Posted By: Rockin' in the Free World (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 02:43 PM
I started watching WCW in 1990 and then rented NWA PPV tapes to get caught up. I think missing the build to these events limits my appreciation for the story telling.
That said, I have never seen a Dusty Rhodes match worth more than one star on its own merits, not counting Wargames. Are you guys very nostalgic when putting Dusty/Flair so high, or am I missing something?
For my money Sting/Vader was the best. Amazing match, made a top star, and my mark jaw hit the floor when Sting lost clean to one of the most vicious power bombs I've ever seen.
Posted By: Shockmaster (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 02:53 PM
"i think what he means there fagalos is the column used to be recaped listing the winning top 5.
Posted By: Guest#5763 (Guest)"
Actually, his exact words were "Instead, it just reads like a bunch of wrestling nerds spouting off for no reason" which - you know - means he does not mean what you think he means.
This is the only Top 5 on the site with a "winner", so it really is just a bonus extra for the column, not the entire purpose of the column.
Thanks for reading, friend!
Posted By: Shawn S Lealos (Registered) on June 24, 2009 at 02:54 PM
Julian Bond had no business writing for this piece, seeing as he's apparently never watched any of the classic NWA Great American Bash matches.
Seriously... Jeff Hardy vs. Umaga over War Games? Over Flair / Rhodes? Over Flair / Morton? Over Sting's first world title victory?
While I would agree that some WWE-era Bash matches might be worthy of the list, Julian's is utter garbage and displays a lack of historical knowledge.
Posted By: Scott B (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 03:50 PM
"Shut up you communist/facist. No one cares what you think or have to say. The people are entitled to their opinion and that's what counts, not your whinny attitude. So the rest of the free world a favor and keep your communist/facist opinion to yourself or move to North Korea, China, Russia, or any Arab country, it might suit you better."
Posted By: Rockin' in the Free World (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 02:43 PM
Huh, so the people are entitled to their opinion, as long as it's not a communist or fascist opinion. I see.
Posted By: Eric von Erich (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 04:00 PM
Haha, Mr. von Erich has a point. This isn't the "opinions" section, it's the "comments" section. So comment on the article and move on. No one cares what "Rockin in the Free World's" top 5 includes.
Posted By: Lanoit (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 04:52 PM
Stop putting up lists in the comments section. No one cares about them at all. It has nothing to do with liking or disliking your opinion, it has to do with not giving a crap about your list.
Ditto for Wrestler of the Week columns. We click the columns to see what the writers say, not what you guys think of the topic.
Posted By: Lanoit (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 01:11 PM
Angry.Little.Man
Posted By: Guest#6299 (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 05:21 PM
I dont understand the personal crushes the wrestling community has with Wargames. IMO It was one of the shittest concept matches ever and TNA's Lethal Lockdown does it WAY better
Posted By: Guest#9938 (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 07:55 PM
Nice promo there by the Dream, back when being a two time World Champion actually meant something.
Posted By: Tadano (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 08:13 PM
Actually, while everyone complains about people's opinions, I (and the other writers) do like to see people's opinions and we encourage anyone who has an opinions to post it.
Posted By: Tower of Bauer (Registered) on June 24, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Here's the REAL top 5
Honorable mention: War Games II (Bash '87), Flair vs. Luger (Bash '88), War Games (Bash '89), Doom vs. Rock 'n' Roll Express (bash '90), Benoit vs. Sullivan (Bash '96), Malenko vs. Rey (Bash '96)
5. Sting vs. Flair Bash '90
4. Sting vs. Muta Bash '89
3. Flair vs Funk Bash '89
2. Sting vs. Vader Bash '92
1. War Games I Bash '87
Posted By: Shark Boy (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 10:39 PM
yeah, I agree -- the I Quit Match between Flair and Funk is very good, but the GAB 1989 batch is better. The I Quit Match seems more like a worked match (with Terry Funk almost playing tweener kinda role with his "I'll shake your hand" stuff and actually doing it, where you can FEEL the hatred between them at GAB 1989. I would place their match at GAB 1989 at #1 on my list though, with Luger/Steamboat from the same show at #2.
Posted By: nwa88 (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Also, Savage / DDP match at GAB 1997 is pretty forgettable. I remember watching it live and being VERY disappointed after their excellent match at Spring Stampede.
Posted By: nwa88 (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 10:48 PM
To summarize the column, I threw the results into a spreadsheet and the results are:
Honorable Mention: Randy Savage vs. DDP (1997)
Honorable Mention: Ric Flair vs. Ricky Morton (1986)
5th Place: Booker T vs. Chris Benoit (1998)
4th Place: Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels (2008)
3rd Place: Wargames (1987)
2nd Place: Dusty Rhodes vs Ric Flair (1986)
1st Place: Terry Funk vs. Ric Flair (1989)
Posted By: Stephen (Guest) on June 25, 2009 at 09:38 AM
Stop putting up lists in the comments section. No one cares about them at all. It has nothing to do with liking or disliking your opinion, it has to do with not giving a crap about your list.
Ditto for Wrestler of the Week columns. We click the columns to see what the writers say, not what you guys think of the topic.
Shut up you communist/facist. No one cares what you think or have to say. The people are entitled to their opinion and that's what counts, not your whinny attitude. So the rest of the free world a favor and keep your communist/facist opinion to yourself or move to North Korea, China, Russia, or any Arab country, it might suit you better.
Posted By: Rockin' in the Free World (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 02:43 PM
Posted By: Lanoit (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 01:11 PM
Huh, so the people are entitled to their opinion, as long as it's not a communist or fascist opinion. I see.
Posted By: Eric von Erich (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 04:00 PM
Haha, Mr. von Erich has a point. This isn't the "opinions" section, it's the "comments" section. So comment on the article and move on. No one cares what "Rockin in the Free World's" top 5 includes.
Posted By: Lanoit (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 04:52 PM
You both sound like hypocrites, Lanoit and Eric Von Erich. The point the guy is trying to make is, in the free world your entitled to your opinion and can share it while in areas under communist and facist regimes you are not allowed to speak your mind or heaven forbid you will be prosecuted. Now, maybe you guys might like living in those standards, but I do not and I have fought and served for the wonderful USA in the Army for the past 7 years and have not regreted it at all. Like it or leave it, that is if you are from here or a free country at all for that matter. You take your basic freedoms for granite, that you have not earned, now try lacing my boots and earn the right and know how it feel to give citizens like yourself the freedoms you have everyday. As for the listings... no bad, but this is what I would do, just to piss the two: Lanoit and Eric Von Erich off,
1. WarGames1 (Bash '87)
2. Flair vs Funk (Bash '89)
3. Sting vs Vader (Bash '92)
4. Sting vs Flair (Bash '90)
5. Sting/Nikita vs Blanchard/Anderson (Bash '88)
Land of the free and home of the brave. I know I can say that, but can the two of you, Lanoit and Eric Von Erich or are the both of you gutless cowards. Give the Rockin' in the Free World a break for expressing his free opinion, that your 21 year old ass no child left behind can comprehend. Graduate school attend higher learning and then know what your talking about before you just run your mouth like jackasses. Peace I'm out.
Posted By: Proud to be a Soldier/American (Guest) on June 25, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Stop putting up lists in the comments section. No one cares about them at all. It has nothing to do with liking or disliking your opinion, it has to do with not giving a crap about your list.
Ditto for Wrestler of the Week columns. We click the columns to see what the writers say, not what you guys think of the topic.
Posted By: Lanoit (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 01:11 PM
"Shut up you communist/facist. No one cares what you think or have to say. The people are entitled to their opinion and that's what counts, not your whinny attitude. So the rest of the free world a favor and keep your communist/facist opinion to yourself or move to North Korea, China, Russia, or any Arab country, it might suit you better."
Posted By: Rockin' in the Free World (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 02:43 PM
Huh, so the people are entitled to their opinion, as long as it's not a communist or fascist opinion. I see.
Posted By: Eric von Erich (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 04:00 PM
Haha, Mr. von Erich has a point. This isn't the "opinions" section, it's the "comments" section. So comment on the article and move on. No one cares what "Rockin in the Free World's" top 5 includes.
Posted By: Lanoit (Guest) on June 24, 2009 at 04:52 PM
Ignore the posts above, they are from the same person posing as two different people. Plus, it looks like they never finished school thanks to the no child left behind act. They try and flame a guy for speaking his opinion and tell others to not share their opinions, but they(Lanoit and Eric Von Erich) share their opinions. The word hypocrite comes to mind. Do as we say not as we do. Sounds like a facist or communist to me or atleast how the leaders from those parts of the globe run their countries. Now for the both of you, grow up finish school and know what your talking about because you look and sound like assholes, just for the sake of being assholes. Go back to school and graduate. As for what the soldier said, great. Thanks for serving and giving us the right to speak our minds in America.
The Bash has always been a decent event, but it depends on your taste in wrestling to determine good matches. Some like WWE product and pick only WWE matches, forgetting that it was an NWA/WCW even long before the WWE ripped it off. Strange how Vince hated WCW so much he brought back one of their PPV names. Oh well, the NWA in my opinion had far better matches then Bash events of today, but thats my opinion and if you don't like it, then don't read what I have to say.
Posted By: Freedom Fighter (Guest) on June 25, 2009 at 12:52 PM
First off any WWE bash matches doont count in my book. This ppv is a NWA/WCW show
honorable mention=its not a match ,the brawl after the flair /funk match from 89 with Flair /Sting vs Funk /Muta. to quote Flair.we're just gettin started ,because i am gonna dog you until i wear your Texas ass out! WOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
another honorable mention. For those who remember, The Bash was at one time a tour not just a ppv. IN 88 they had the tower of doom triple cage match on the ppv. ABout a month later they had another one at a houseshow which was ten times better than the first. THis one had the 4 horsemen and Kevin Sullivan ( ithink) vs THe Garvins , The road Warriors and someone else. This one was better cuz they were brawling all over the place.
And yes the 89 show was one of the best ppvs ive ever seen. If you havent seen this show try and see it . It has my fave Road Warrior interview where Animal says...Freebirds! Samoans! We get through with you ,we're going for family members!
Posted By: Guest#3306 (Guest) on June 25, 2009 at 03:12 PM