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411’s Instant Access 06.28.09: WWE The Bash 2009
Posted by Scott Slimmer on 06.29.2009



Hey kids, I'm Scott, and this is 411's Instant Access: WWE The Bash 2009. 411's Instant Access is the companion piece to 411 Live Pay-Per-View Coverage and features immediate reaction to wrestling pay-per-views. The focus in Instant Access is on first thoughts and initial reactions instead of play-by-play with the goal of providing you with instant access to one two THREE writers' thoughts on the show. That's right, Instant Access will now feature multiple analysts for all WWE pay-per-views. Here's the team for The Bash:

Scott Slimmer, author of Don't Think Twice.
Chris Lansdell, author of A Brace for Impact and If I Could Be Serious For A Moment.
Rob McNew, author of 411's WWE Raw Report and 411's WWE Superstars Report.
• And a very special thank you to Sat, one half of the High Road / Low Road team, for taking time during the show to shop a swank graphic when one of the matches on the card unexpectedly gained a few new participants.


Okay kids, enough with the explanations. Let's get to the wrestling.



ECW Championship Scramble Match
Tommy Dreamer (Champion) vs. Christian vs. Finlay vs. Jack Swagger vs. Mark Henry
Match Result: Tommy Dreamer wins the Scramble Match.
Match Length: 14:49
Match Analysis:
Slimmer: Scramble matches can be quite exciting when properly coordinated and well executed, but they can also be disjointed and sloppy and chaos is allowed to reign. Unfortunately, this match tended towards the later much more than the former. Christian and Swagger were the best two men to start the match, and they continued to display how well they work with each other in the ring. However, the match began to drag a bit when Finlay got involved, and everyone just seemed to be lost once Tommy Dreamer entered the fray. The action did pick up after Mark Henry made his presence felt, and the numerous pinfalls in the last five minutes did help to rebuild some of the excitement that had been lost since the beginning of the match. And hey, as an old school ECW mark, I have to admit that I loved seeing Tommy Dreamer retain the championship. The look of surprise on his face when he heard his music after the match was classic Dreamer. This is almost certainly Dreamer's last run with the ECW Championship, and I'm more than happy to see his reign continue for another month, another week, or even just two more days.
Lansdell: Why did I think Bourne was in this? It would have been even better with him there. I think this came off about as well as it could have, although I don't see where the story goes with Dreamer retaining. Info-nugget: Dreamer joins HHH as the only two people to retain in a Scramble match. That's some lofty company right there. This wasn't amazing or even hectic until the last minute or so, but that last minute was REALLY good. A strong start to the show.
McNew: Despite my problems with various logic gaps in the way these matches are booked this was pretty entertaining. I wasn't expecting a Dreamer victory, but it looks like he's going to walk into Philly as ECW Champion. Nothing mind blowing, but still a fun little match to kick things off.
Match Rating:
Slimmer: **½
Lansdell: ***¼
McNew: **½
Average Match Rating: **¾



Title vs. Mask Match for the Intercontinental Championship
Chris Jericho (Champion) vs. Rey Mysterio
Match Result: Rey Mysterio defeats Chris Jericho with the 619.
Match Length: 15:42
Match Analysis:
Slimmer: Last year, Chris Jericho and Shawn Michaels had one of the greatest feuds of all time, but I'll be damned if Jericho and Rey Mysterio aren't doing just as well this year. The storytelling and psychology may have been a bit stronger in the Michaels / Jericho feud, but the in-ring action and work rate in the Mysterio / Jericho feud was been INSANE. I mean, a DOUBLE springboard moonsault? REALLY? A top rope hurricanrana into a super powerbomb? SERIOUSLY? Their ability to build upon their previous matches, to tell a cohesive in-ring story that flows seamlessly from one match to the next, and to continually find innovative counters to innovative counters harkens back to the classic ECW feud between Rob Van Dam and Jerry Lynn. It's been years since I've seen either Jericho or Mysterio look this good in the ring, and these two guys are spearheading the ascension of the New Smackdown Six.
Lansdell: I'm running out of superlatives to describe the matches these two are having. This was even better than the others, which were all focused on the 619. This was just a good strong match with an exhilarating finishing sequence. Screw that, the last 5 minutes were incredible. There's no way the WWE were going to take the mask off Rey, it's a license to print money. However the possibility was there and it made the match even better. Will this end the feud? I'd say yes, because Jericho had some fun later in the evening and Rey needs to move on. The second mask was something called by many fans but still didn't suffer from that. Just a great match all around. Plus, super powerbomb!
McNew: Match of the night, and a match of the year contender for sure. These guys have amazing chemistry together, and they again showed it improving on their previous two encounters. Even though its been done before I loved the double mask bit.
Match Rating:
Slimmer: ****½
Lansdell: ****¼
McNew: ****½
Average Match Rating: ****½



No Disqualification Match
The Great Khali vs. Dolph Ziggler
Match Result: Dolph Ziggler defeats The Great Khali after Kane grabbed a steel chair and gave Khali the old government mule treatment.
Match Length: 5:00
Match Analysis:
Slimmer: I love Dolph Ziggler. I really do. He's smart, sexy, and powerful, and I thought he was finally going to be the man to show the world that the Great Khali is not a man to idolize and certainly not a man to love. The no disqualification stipulation essentially leveled the playing field and gave Ziggler a fighting chance, and I actually do believe that Ziggler and Khali could have put on a passable match on their own if given the chance. Most of Khali's high-profile pay-per-view matches have been against fairly weighty Superstars such as Batista, The Undertaker, and Kane, so watching him deal with a smaller but certainly tenacious opponent was a nice change of pace. And then we returned to our regularly scheduled program when Kane introduced Khali to the business end of a steel chair. But at least my boy got the win.
Lansdell: Well this one was a surprise. I mean it was pretty clear with the no DQ option that Ziggler was going to win via some chair-swinging bonanza action, but I never imagined Kane would be involved. Haven't we been punished with that feud twice already? At least Ziggler gets the "win" and looks really good doing it. I mean REALLY good. This kid has a future... IF he doesn't call out Cena. (Slimmer's Note: Stay away from my man, you Canadian rat bastard. Shouldn't one of them new Hart kids be more your style?)
McNew: Glad to see Dolph get the win even if it was in the cheapest way possible. Not sure why anyone would want to subject us to the second installment of a Khali-Kane feud, or what beef he had with Khali to begin with, but nothing Kane ever does makes any sense.
Match Rating:
Slimmer:
Lansdell: **½
McNew: ¾*
Average Match Rating:



Unified Tag Team Championship Match
Carlito Colon & Primo Colon (Champions) vs. Ted DiBiase & Cody Rhodes vs. Rated Y2J
Match Result: Edge defeats Carlito with the Spear.
Match Analysis:
Slimmer: Seeing Teddy Long take the stage and unexpectedly change the complexion of a tag team championship match brought back fond memories of Armageddon 2006, but unfortunately Teddy stopped short of adding ladders into the recipe for this match. I was looking forward to seeing if the Colons and Legacy could take their game to another level after finally being given a pay-per-view match, but the impromptu addition of Edge & Jericho meant that this match was really just a vehicle for moving the Unified Tag Team Championships over to Smackdown. The in-ring action was certainly capable, but I found that I spent most of the match just waiting for Edge & Jericho's inevitable involvement. However, that being said, I'm more than happy to see four more championship belts added to the collection of the New Smackdown Six. CM Punk, Jeff Hardy, Chris Jericho, Rey Mysterio, Edge, and John Morrison have been gold over the past few months, those six men now hold six championship belts. I've got a feeling that the feud between Punk and Hardy will continue for at least another month, so I'd love to see Mysterio & Morrison team up to give Edge & Jericho a run for their money… and the Unified Tag Team Championships.
Lansdell: You have to wonder, with the addition of Edge and Jericho, if someone on one of the other teams did a Bad Thing. Whatever happened, it did two things: gave the match a story of Edge and Jericho being shut out by the other two teams, and added some spice to what otherwise would have been a very boring match, if the action we saw between the Colons and Legacy was any indication. The thing is, what happens now? Edge and Jericho are so far above the tag belts that I can't see them being long-term champs, and don't they hate each other? I just don't know who they hotshot them to. The match itself just wasn't that good, but it wasn't bad either.
McNew: Well no one saw that coming, now did they? Fun match with a great little story being told of the Colons and Priceless refusing to tag in Jericho or Edge. Rated Y2J is born, and the best part is now they can appear on all three shows.
Match Rating:
Slimmer: **
Lansdell: **
McNew: **¼
Average Match Rating: **


WWE Women's Championship Match
Melina (Champion) vs. Michelle McCool
Match Result: Michelle McCool defeats Melina with the Faith Breaker.
Match Analysis:
Slimmer: Yes, okay, maybe Melina and Michelle McCool are two of the more competent Divas in WWE at the moment. But they're still a LONG way from the glory days of Trish Stratus, Lita, Victoria, Molly Holly, and Gail Kim, and matches like the one we saw tonight don't deserve to be on pay-per-view. Much like the Khali / Ziggler match, this match would have been just fine on any edition of Smackdown. But asking me to pay forty bucks for a short, sloppy match? Um, no. However, on the bright side, Michelle McCool does become the first Diva to hold both the Women's Championship and the Divas Championship. This may not seem all too exciting in and of itself, but keep in mind that there's a certain spunky Diva over on Raw who has her mind set on defeating Maryse and thus also being able to list both the Women's Championship and the Divas Championship on her resume. And really, if the Smackdown Women's Champion and the Raw Women's Champion were the only two Divas in history to have won both belts, wouldn't it only make sense for the two of them to settle the score and battle it out for the title of top Diva? And wouldn't that mean that we'd get to see the one-and-only Mickie James on both Raw and Smackdown? And wouldn't that make use all very happy? I rest my case.
Lansdell: A couple of people found this match sloppy, but I can't agree. I thought it was one of the best women's matches in some time in WWE. There was a ton of physicality, some good wrestling and plenty of passion involved, and they even pulled off some fun spots. Sure it was no classic, but it was not as bad as I feared. I just hope they keep the belt off useless models.
McNew: Meh, McCool is about as interesting as a Saturday Morning program on the Food Network, and Melina had been the least visible champion I can ever remember. Also I'm sure AJ Styles got a chuckle out of watching that god awful Styles Clash to finish things.
Match Rating:
Slimmer:
Lansdell: **
McNew: ½*
Average Match Rating:



World Heavyweight Championship Match
CM Punk (Champion) vs. Jeff Hardy
Match Result: Jeff Hardy defeats CM Punk via disqualification.
Match Length: 14:54
Match Analysis:
Slimmer: Ah, the Dusty Finish. The fiendish foe of wrestling fans all over the world and, after tonight, the mortal enemy of fat emo chicks everywhere. I'm more than a bit conflicted about the booking of this match, because it seems to have been both good and bad all at the same time. I mean, the subtle ways that Punk continues to turn heel almost in spite of himself are really fun to watch, but seriously, a Dusty Finish followed by a DQ in a pay-per-view match is the very definition of bullshit. Anyway, you can almost guarantee that this feud will continue, because Jeff Hardy cannot let this injustice stand, and because all of the other legitimate title contenders on Smackdown are currently busy trying to bring tag team wrestling back from the dead.
Lansdell: I'm not sure how to rate this match. It started off really well and Punk worked a great match as the heel in control. Hardy, as always, worked a very solid face-in-peril. The false finish was well done as it had me swearing loudly at my TV until I saw what the ref was doing. Then it got silly. Punk getting his eye hurt was fine, but if the kick was meant to be ambiguous then Hardy was too far away from the ref. I presume we'll get some sort of gimmick rematch at Night of Champions, which is fine by me as long as it make sense.
McNew: Some people are going to bitch about the DQ finish on Pay Per View, but I think it is absolutely fantastic booking to continue the slow burn towards Punk's full on heel turn. Punk continued to sell the eye the entire time, and never gave us any indication that he was faking. However your initial reaction is that he was faking so for that the fans are slowly turning on him. Hardy's attack afterward, and the crowds reaction even further plays into this because Punk will be able to call the fans out for cheering him. Just a great job all around.
Match Rating:
Slimmer: ***½
Lansdell: ***
McNew: ***¼
Average Match Rating: ***¼



John Cena vs. The Miz
Match Result: John Cena defeats The Miz with the STFU.
Match Analysis:
Slimmer: I was honestly a bit concerned that this match was going to last a mere three seconds a make the ECW Championship Match from WrestleMania 24 look like a back-and-forth classic, so I was pleasantly surprised that The Miz was allowed the chance to showcase a respectable amount of offense. Sure, we all knew that Cena was going to get the win sooner or later, but at least Miz wasn't made to look completely incompetent in the process. I'm not sure there's any need for Miz to continue to pester Cena, but I do hope that he maintains the visibility that this feud has afforded him. And given the immense size of Miz's ego, you have to assume that the fact he isn't wearing championship gold is Jamaican him crazy…
Lansdell: Fuck you Cena. Fuck you WWE. You had a perfect chance to elevate Miz without hurting anyone, and you chickened out. You could have had Cena win without crushing Miz and making him look bad, and you failed. You could have done any number of things, but you had to put Cena over with ease and send Miz back to the midcard with his tail between his legs, dangling where his nuts used to be before you cut them off and sautéed them in extra virgin olive oil and served them to Super Cena with a nice sweet onion reduction over pilau rice. Damn it! I mean the match wasn't bad, Cena got to show off that he CAN wrestle while Miz got in a little offence without cheating, but GOD DAMN IT Cena is allowed to lose sometimes!
McNew: And the IWC explodes. Everyone is going to say Miz got buried, and I can't totally disagree. I do think that the match came off as more of a squash than they had hoped because they were getting pressed for time, but it was still pretty bad. I don't think this means that Miz will be jobbing to Goldust though until he is eventually released. In reality the entire story has been similar to Lesnar and Cena from 2003, and I think Cena came out from that okay. The follow up will be what's important here.
Match Rating:
Slimmer: **
Lansdell: **¼
McNew:
Average Match Rating: **



Three Stages of Hell Match for the WWE Championship
Randy Orton (Champion) vs. Triple H
Match Result: Randy Orton defeats Triple H in the Stretcher Match.
Match Length: 22:27
Match Analysis:
Slimmer: The problem with giving away a free Last Man Standing Match just six days before a forty dollar Three Stages of Hell Match is that you REALLY need to find a way to make the pay-per-view match seem like it was worth forty dollars more than the television match. And that just didn't happen tonight. The Stretcher Match finale was certainly passable as Stretcher Matches go, but the first two Stages of Hell were nothing more than brief speed bumps on the way to Stage Three. And seriously WWE, we get it, Randy Orton has flunkies that like to kiss his ass and help him win matches. Now can we PLEASE all move on with our lives? After DiBiase & Rhodes returned to the fold near the end of the match, I was praying that Triple H's salvation would come not from a sledgehammer but rather from a swift and sudden chorus of Sweet Chin Music. Needless to say, I was sorely disappointed. But come one, DX vs. Legacy? I'd watch it.
Lansdell: I have to hand it to WWE. I really thought HHH was going to walk away with this one. Not limp away, since he stopped selling for the last 5 minutes of the match. Legacy helping and Orton winning is fine, but DAMN did Legacy really have to stay stationary for 3-5 minutes after the hammer shots? I mean what the hell is in that hammer? Is it coated with chloroform or something? I'd like to think this feud is over but I don't see how it can be until there's a clean win for one of them. I could have done without the unoriginal "intentional DQ to improve my position" thing, but it worked in the context of the match and would have worked even better had HHH continued to sell the leg. In all fairness it's not easy to remember that with everything else you have to think about, but at his level it should be more consistent. They had some nice spots throughout the match and it wasn't the snorefest that their Mania match was, but I still don't want to see these guys fight again without a third party involved.
McNew: I liked the booking early because it was unconventional. Trips getting intentionally disqualified just so he could take control and get a quick pin in falls count anywhere made a lot of sense, and worked to get to the stretcher match which is where we all knew it was headed anyway. As for the stretcher match it was pretty decent if we hadn't seen the exact same match for free on Monday Night. Again somehow Orton manages to retain despite looking like a total chump, and HHH still reigns supreme in the end. To top it off, the feud STILL isn't over.
Match Rating:
Slimmer: ***
Lansdell: **¾
McNew: **
Average Match Rating: **½


Final Thoughts

Match of the Night:
Slimmer: Chris Jericho vs. Rey Mysterio (****½)
When the best feud in the promotion is showcased in a match with both the best storytelling AND the best in-ring action on the card, there's simply nothing you can do but call it the Match of the Night.
Lansdell: Chris Jericho vs. Rey Mysterio (****¼)
Not even close. These 2 put on a match to top their others, and Jericho continues to be the best part of WWE. All of this without a world title. Some people just don't need a belt to be awesome, and by keeping Jericho in the upper midcard you allow him to elevate that part of the card while hopefully building others.
McNew: Chris Jericho vs. Rey Mysterio (****½)
For all the reasons listed above. Just a tremendous fast paced match. Great story telling, great spots, great action. The match was damn near perfect.

Trash of the Night:
Slimmer: The Great Khali vs. Dolph Ziggler (*½)
There was nothing all too terribly bad about this match, but it was really designed to spotlight the return of Kane rather than to be an actual match. That kind of bait-and-switch tactic if fine on a weekly television show, but we deserve more on pay-per-view.
Lansdell: Long-time IA readers will know that I don't always give this "award" to the worst match, but to the one that pissed me off most. No contest this month. (**¼)
McNew: Melina vs. Michelle McCool (½*)
It's a diva's match in which the least over diva in the company becomes the first in history to capture both titles by botching her finisher. Yeah, easy pick.

Final Analysis:
Slimmer: Sometimes, one great match really is enough to carry an entire show. Unfortunately, that job becomes a bit tougher when the match in question is the second of eight on the card. However, given the fact that I'll remember Jericho / Mysterio for years to come and the fact that none of the other seven matches were actually bad, I think it's safe to say that I'll remember this show fondly.
Lansdell: Yeah, OK. A strong PPV for the most part, not as good as TNA's effort this month but still good. Some questionable booking decisions and at least one thing that makes me want to Google plane tickets to Connecticut, but ultimately I was entertained for three hours. That's getting harder to do.
McNew: As has been the norm it was a tale of two shows. The Smackdown stuff was off the charts great from both a booking perspective, and a wrestling perspective. Once we got to the Raw matches at the end though it came to a screeching halt. Still since Smackdown dominated the show, and they had the good stuff its an easy thumbs up. Just stop watching after Punk-Hardy.

Verdict:
Slimmer: ***
Lansdell: ***½
McNew: ***½
Average Verdict: ***¼


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The divas match was a great match and Im sorry if some are too blind to realize we aren't going to get matches like the days of Victoria and Molly, so make due with what you get. It was fantastic and congrats to Michelle McCool if though she wont get the credit she deserves due to who shes dating

Posted By: Sam (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 01:04 AM

 
 
This act of HHH losing then beating the shit out of Orton is really boring, can we please just move on!

Orton/Cena PLEASE!


Posted By: Brad (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 01:07 AM

 
 
im sorry to all of those who r complaining theres no way in his first pay per view match since coming to raw that te miz should bet john cena u havete companys biggest star losing to a guy who hasnt ben a sngles wrestler in aout 2years a hasnt held in singles title either beat a gut that a mutiple time champion get rel then if he beats cena with him being the best they have to offer how does he lse to anybody after this its not his time he needs to go through the kofis and mvps of th world beforehe can evn think about beating a guy like john cena on a pay per view

Posted By: richard (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 01:32 AM

 
 
The Diva's match was solid. Mccool and Melina showcased some perfectly acceptable wrestling, but as usual the IWC can never give credit where it due. On the plus side however, the analysis of the PPV was pretty straightforward and solid. I especially liked the way you guys played up how the WWE Championship match was stale and Landsell's criticism of WWE for burying the Miz was right on point.

Posted By: Dwayne (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 01:38 AM

 
 
"It was fantastic and congrats to Michelle McCool if though she wont get the credit she deserves due to who shes dating"

She gets bashed because she actually has a negative amount of charisma. It was pitiful to hear JR go on about her making history as the crowd just sat there not making a sound.

It's quite fitting she won both of her titles at The Bash and was recieved with complete apathy both times.


Posted By: Guest#5005 (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 01:45 AM

 
 
Heaven forbid HHH not close out the PPV... Seriously he loses the match and his music plays for TEN FUCKING MINUTES!!

Posted By: Guest#9793 (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 01:50 AM

 
 
im sorry to all of those who r complaining theres no way in his first pay per view match since coming to raw that te miz should bet john cena u havete companys biggest star losing to a guy who hasnt ben a sngles wrestler in aout 2years a hasnt held in singles title either beat a gut that a mutiple time champion get rel then if he beats cena with him being the best they have to offer how does he lse to anybody after this its not his time he needs to go through the kofis and mvps of th world beforehe can evn think about beating a guy like john cena on a pay per view

Posted By: richard (Guest) on June 29, 2009 at 01:32 AM

It wasn't really that he didnt win, it was that it was basically a squash. I wouldn't have had a problem had Miz looked at least a little competitive, but he got in 3 or 4 moves. Cena came off as a smug asshole IMO, and like he didnt think Miz was a threat at all. Thats not the way to elevate your talent.


Posted By: Bobby (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 02:03 AM

 
 
Slimmer, you think Ziggler is sexy? ...yeah...

Posted By: Marty (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 02:11 AM

 
 
people believing that cena was and should of been beaten by the miz are slightly jaded/ridiculous...thats like saying billy gunn should of beat the rock at no way out...its absurd and idiotic from both a wrestling and business standpoint

Posted By: b (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 02:17 AM

 
 
"Cena came off as a smug asshole IMO, and like he didnt think Miz was a threat at all. Thats not the way to elevate your talent."

They need to play this up actually. Have Cena keep being a cocky a-hole brushing off Miz for weeks... then have Miz pull a surprise 1-on-1 victory (ala 123 Kid v. Razor). Then turn Cena heel as he goes berserk on Miz, and the refs, and JR and everyone who brings it up.


Posted By: ForREAL (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 02:22 AM

 
 
I hope you guys continue to review shows like this, I love getting more then one perspective.

Personally I thought the womens match was good. Their punches and kicks were strong, there was psychology, and basically I was entertained while they were out there. I personally hope to see more of them.

As far as The Miz situation goes, McNew nailed it when he said "its the follow up that matters". There was no way Miz was going to win and little reason he shouldive. The WWE can definately shape the aftermath into a push for The Miz and it's likely what is going to happen. There is no reason to swear or freak out, The Miz just got reality checked and he's now going to come back better then ever.

I agree that Rey vs. Jericho was absolutley amazing. I'm glad you guys enjoyed the match as much as I did. I also agree that Triple H vs. Orton was way to much of the same old crap. So much of the match felt like De ja vu to me. I just sat bored waiting for the match to end.


Posted By: Danespina (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 02:24 AM

 
 
Yep. Was a decent ppv with one great match in Jericho/Rey that was marred by the Miz/Cena match ending. Five minutes longer of credible Miz offence and ditch the "buried" theatrics after the finish is all it would have taken to elevate Miz as opposed to the polar opposite effect it had.
That's what pisses me off. The fact that you could have had the same finish, with the same effect for Cena, with the fans at the venue having the same pop and done something positive with just those simple things.


Posted By: Guest#8016 (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 03:00 AM

 
 
"In reality the entire story has been similar to Lesnar and Cena from 2003, and I think Cena came out from that okay."

Yes, but didn't Cena get high profile wins in a tournament to get his shot at Brock (pinning the Undertaker?), then take Brock to his limit at Backlash?

Not really the same at all, is it?


Posted By: Quimby (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 04:12 AM

 
 
While I agree that The Miz kind of got buried here, and the cooking jokes were pretty funny, I think Lansdell is completely ignoring the fact that Cena has been losing just as much as he's been winning lately, so to imply he never loses is a bit, well, totally incorrect.

Posted By: SeanAltly (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 04:15 AM

 
 
Fuck you Cena? Sayind fuck you to WWE makes sense. I just don't think Cena has that much pull back stage. Is this not planned before hand? So Miz looking bad just seems like it was the plan from the beginning. Miz didn't need to win but he needed to look like a threat to Cena

Posted By: Guest#2188 (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 04:33 AM

 
 
I'm thinking Jericho/Edge as tag champs could be a bad move for Smackdown given the 'tag champs can defend on any brand' rule. Hope this is fairly short term, it reaks of Raw realising they've no actual talent and finding a way to get Jericho and Edge back.

Posted By: Chrisskoyles (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 05:54 AM

 
 
Im disgusted that McCool won the Womens Title before Mickie won the Divas Title. Mickie deserved to go down in history more so than Undertaker's girlfriend. I'm bummed...

Posted By: Sandro (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 05:57 AM

 
 
You wouldn't have had Hulk Hogan lose to the Honky Tonk Man...so you won't have John Cena lose to the Miz.

Posted By: DeeRayMoore (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 07:18 AM

 
 
ppv was ok but Jericho-Rey was fantastic, 2nd only to Taker-HBK for moty for me.

Also Jericho + Edge = Gold.


Posted By: jbardo (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 07:37 AM

 
 
i thought they were going conclude the boring and forever dragging feud b/w orton and hhh at the bash? an iron man match will put people to death.

Posted By: Guest#9833 (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 07:52 AM

 
 
So am I the only one that payed attention to the announcing on last weeks raw?!

They clearly mentioned whoever holds the Unified Tag titles can defend them on ALL three brands. I think this is a way for Edge and Jericho to get onto Raw more often.


Posted By: AG Awesome (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 08:48 AM

 
 
They need to play this up actually. Have Cena keep being a cocky a-hole brushing off Miz for weeks... then have Miz pull a surprise 1-on-1 victory (ala 123 Kid v. Razor). Then turn Cena heel as he goes berserk on Miz, and the refs, and JR and everyone who brings it up.

Posted By: ForREAL (Guest) on June 29, 2009 at 02:22 AM


Exactly. Honestly, would make it sense for Cena to act any other way? Absolutley not because since Miz has debuted what has he really done that would make Cena concerned? Cena should act cocky and he's incredibly interesting when he is. Wasn't that what everyone was bitching about for years?

I personally think the aftermath really should have Miz doing something major to piss off Cena. I'm not sure what but as long as they don't make it somewhat original it should be great to see these two have a long feud. It's more refreshing than the idea of Cena/Orton. Orton is so stale it would be unbearable to watch them feud.


Posted By: Guest#8291 (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 09:14 AM

 
 
Why do the tag title, women's title, & Miz/Cena not have the times listed??

Posted By: matrix1004 (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 09:20 AM

 
 
Why can't HHH and Batista both have long term injuries at the same time.... Orton has turned into such a joke over the last few months... hear I was thinking he was gonna be the next Stone Cold when he returned as a total badass cold head punter.

I think it is time to end 'Legacy' its been completely botched. Rhodes and Dibase are nothing more than generic lackeys. Orton seems to get the shit kicked out of every week anyway.... they are useless.

Jericho Edge tandum will be epic which obviously will lead to a feud between the ego's.

I smell a Edge and Christian reunion in the next few months.


Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 09:31 AM

 
 
I have to chime in and say that after Orton retained his championship TRIPLE H'S MUSIC SHOULD NOT CLOSE OUT THE SHOW!!! So freaking stupid that bit.

Posted By: Ryan (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 09:31 AM

 
 
I don't think anyone REALLY thinks Miz should have beaten Cena. But he could have put up a good fight and had a few close calls. Remember Cena's first match in those lame lime green tights against Angle, he took Angle (who was strong at the time) to the limit. No reason Miz couldn't have done that same thing last night. At least looked like he belonged in the same ring, instead, Miz looked like he belonged in OVW!

Posted By: Guest#0121 (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 09:34 AM

 
 
Nice to know WWE is keeping status quo by making The (Great American) Bash (At The Beach) the WORST SHOW OF THE YEAR YET AGAIN

Posted By: Curry Fan (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 09:42 AM

 
 
Its so fucking ridiculous to have HHH's music play to end the show after he lost the match! What the hell were they thinking?

Posted By: Jim (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 09:45 AM

 
 
The HHH/Orton ending pretty much confirms a Summerslam finish to this fued. AHHH!!! I smell a hugh swerve coming.

Also, Punk goes completely heel at either NOC next month or at SS in August.

I firmly predict that "controversy out of left field" takes place at SS.


Posted By: Guest#0534 (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 10:13 AM

 
 
i dont care what anybody says, if shawn taker at mania got 5 stars, y2j and mysterio should have too, because they had the better match, its just that everyone loves to suck shawns dick apparently

Posted By: nic (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 10:16 AM

 
 
"In reality the entire story has been similar to Lesnar and Cena from 2003, and I think Cena came out from that okay."

WHAT? do you not remember Cena beating Undertaker and Chris Benoit just to get a shot at Brock? No, Cena was a FAR bigger star than Miz at the time, what are you smoking?


Posted By: nic (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 10:25 AM

 
 
geek alert... but is this the first stretcher match where they've had to get the damn thing up the ramp ? probably not... wouldn't have made any difference to a shite ppv - y2j v 619 saves the day

Posted By: dj_bollocks (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 10:48 AM

 
 
"I don't think anyone REALLY thinks Miz should have beaten Cena. But he could have put up a good fight and had a few close calls. Remember Cena's first match in those lame lime green tights against Angle, he took Angle (who was strong at the time) to the limit. No reason Miz couldn't have done that same thing last night. At least looked like he belonged in the same ring, instead, Miz looked like he belonged in OVW!"

Come on guys, this isn't the end of the storyline. The WWE is likely going to continue the storyline tonight, and it's probably going to involve the fact that The Miz got squashed. I think the WWE is about to prepare The Miz'a rocky montage over the next couple months and end with him looking like a star.


Posted By: Danespina (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 11:18 AM

 
 
"i dont care what anybody says, if shawn taker at mania got 5 stars, y2j and mysterio should have too, because they had the better match, its just that everyone loves to suck shawns dick apparently"

No, it's because that match was really, really good.


Posted By: Jesus (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 11:21 AM

 
 
Fucking trolls, did you order the damn thing last night?

Listen... I do agree with the writer's rating but this Bash was no way bad...

Low Spots:

Miz/Cena
HHH/Orton

Commentary: I just think that Miz and Cena had no wrestling chemistry (dont they work on their match prior to the big event)... HHH/Orton lacked pacing (they were rushed) and for the kind of match lacked blood. Blood was the critical element missing from the 3 stages of Hell. RAW tonight will be a huge indicator of how things go.

Even the Divas had a better match that the two main events... I am sure that Vince and staff will examine this PPV carefully because there was a WHOLE lot of good came out of this PPV.


MOTYC pits an old school encounter which brought us lucky fans a LionHeart Jericho vs a ECW Rey Misterio Jr

Yes I used those names because the quality of wrestling was something I had not seen since their ECW days (I have the WCW match and it sucked Monkey Balls compared to this match)... We had double moonsaults, a mid air springboard Code Breaker, insane sequences (Jericho ALMOST KILLS Misterio with a waist lock airplane spin into the outside wall).

That my friends is Wrestling.


Posted By: tstrike (Registered)  on June 29, 2009 at 11:53 AM

 
 
The Rey-Y2J match is an instant classic. It told a story of Jericho wanting 619's mask and it also had fast-paced technical wrestling. If you missed this match, you are missing history because this was 5 stars, not that 4 1/4 star Undertaker-HBK match at 'Mania 25.

Posted By: Bojanglez374 (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 12:15 PM

 
 
"i dont care what anybody says, if shawn taker at mania got 5 stars, y2j and mysterio should have too, because they had the better match, its just that everyone loves to suck shawns dick apparently"

No, it's because that match was really, really good.

I feel you, Jesus, I won't even lie and say it was a bad match because it was great, but I still think this match was better IMHO, I don't really do ratings because I couldn't possibly zero in on everything only seeing a match once, so I'll wait until I've watched it a few more times, but as of now I do feel like it's the better match, not saying HBK and Taker wasn't a classic because I feel it is, but still...


Posted By: nic (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 12:15 PM

 
 
I marked out a little bitch when Jericho hit the mid-air codebreaker.

Posted By: Guest#2135 (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 01:13 PM

 
 
I always liked HHH. and maybe its because i stopped watching in mid 2002 and started watching again in mid 2007 that i never "realized" the whole problem with him. Being always on top and a burned out character probably never affected me because i had a 5 year break from him. But holy shit, i see where people are coming from with all the HHHate. I cant stand seeing him at all anymore. I hope he gets punted again 2nite, and when he returns in a month, he gets punted again. Fuck HHH.

Posted By: NickNitr0 (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 01:21 PM

 
 
Can anyone else get a title shot??

Posted By: FMX (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 01:33 PM

 
 
Four and a half stars to Jericho-Misterio? Are you out of your already clearly warped minds? It was match of the night, yes, but a mop sliding off a railing would be match of the night on that crap show. Three stars, tops. That show was what free WWE television should look like, NOT a $40 pay per view. Please, you can try to think. You can. Don't give up.

Posted By: Lucius (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 02:04 PM

 
 
Four and a half stars to Jericho-Misterio? Are you out of your already clearly warped minds? It was match of the night, yes, but a mop sliding off a railing would be match of the night on that crap show. Three stars, tops

-------------


3 stars? sucks to be you.


Posted By: jbardo (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 03:12 PM

 
 
"I don't think anyone REALLY thinks Miz should have beaten Cena. But he could have put up a good fight and had a few close calls. Remember Cena's first match in those lame lime green tights against Angle, he took Angle (who was strong at the time) to the limit. No reason Miz couldn't have done that same thing last night. At least looked like he belonged in the same ring, instead, Miz looked like he belonged in OVW!"

Come on guys, this isn't the end of the storyline. The WWE is likely going to continue the storyline tonight, and it's probably going to involve the fact that The Miz got squashed. I think the WWE is about to prepare The Miz'a rocky montage over the next couple months and end with him looking like a star.

Riiiiggghhttt...cause WWE is known for their excellent storyline continuity.


Posted By: Guest#6104 (Guest)  on June 29, 2009 at 03:22 PM

 
 
Jericho/Mysterio was Match of the Night, Rated-Y2J's birth is another plus for the New SmackDown Six, Miz vs Cena could've had Miz win to put him over.

Posted By: Brian B. (Guest)  on June 30, 2009 at 12:17 AM

 
 
Smackdown hasn't been this good since 2002, and just proves that Raw's A-show status is bs. And I think everyone has to admit that Rey has stepped up his game last year - from his awesome performance at No Way Out to his feud with Jericho, I could easily get into a feud with him vs Punk for the title. With Smackdown main-events like Punk, Hardy, Rey, Edge, Jericho, Morrison (it's coming!), and maybe the Hart Dynasty, Raw looks so crap (Cena/Orton/HHH/Big Show yawn). And you know something's wrong when the IWC love Mark Henry beating the WWE Champion...

Posted By: AH (Guest)  on June 30, 2009 at 11:56 AM

 
 
The review was good for the most part, until it came to the Divas side of things. Lansdell was right and the other two geeks weren't; the Divas match was as good and as competitive a match, especially one coming from the Divas. I find it so stupid for most reviewers to underestimate Divas these days; after Trish and Lita retired the only thing they've done in Divas match reviews was b!tch and moan about the old days and never really give the current girls a chance at all. Total BS. The match was a Divas Match of the Year candidate, and for those two geeks to say that it sucked is very, very hypocritical. Suck it, you fools.

As for the rest of the PPV, I'm going to have to agree that SD shined in this one, and that Y2J vs Mysterio was truly an outstanding battle. A very good way to cap off one of the best rivalries so far this year.

How many times do we have to see HHH vs Orton? This is what, the 999th time we see this already? Give us something fresh, WWE!


Posted By: +Xtreme the Enigma+ (Guest)  on July 01, 2009 at 04:12 AM

 
 
Those of you bitching about the people saying Michelle/Melina wasn't great, I got news for you- It wasn't.


Just because YOU have lowered your expectations of the Diva matches, doesn't mean we all have. Why should we tolerate bad womens matches when other companies put on great ones?


Posted By: Tim (Guest)  on July 02, 2009 at 11:51 AM

 


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