The Contentious Ten 07.13.09: The Top Ten WWE Champions
Posted by John Peters on 07.13.2009
411mania’s newest column examines the ten greatest WWE Champions in history. Who’s number one? Hulk Hogan? Bruno Sammartino? Triple H? Or will Batista’s recent two day WWE Title reign earn him the top spot?
Welcome to 411mania's newest wrestling column: The Contentious Ten. I have to say; I am thrilled to be writing for 411, as I've been viewing the site on an almost daily basis since 1996, way back when it was simply 411wrestling. I've been a wrestling fan for nearly twenty years and I'm really interested in wrestling's extensive history and its unique relationship with its fans. In fact, I'm so interested in that relationship that I wrote my Master's thesis on professional wrestling fandom. I also have an unexplainable desire to constantly categorize and rank different aspects of wrestling like champions, yearly events, and matches. So, when I saw that 411mania was looking for a columnist to produce a weekly top ten list, I jumped at the opportunity.
I realize that most top ten lists are usually arbitrary representations of the writer's opinion, and I won't try to convince you that I somehow "know better," or am "more qualified" to voice my opinion than anyone else. My top ten WrestleMania matches will probably not be your top ten WrestleMania matches. However, what I do offer is a fairly extensive knowledge base and a genuine love for the sport. I also, really love debates, and few things spark debates more easily than a top ten list. That's why the column is the "Contentious" Ten; I'm expecting a lot of you will contend with me. Future columns will include your comments and feedback. Now, without further ado, I give you…
The Top Ten WWE Champions
There is no title in the WWE, and I'm inclined to say professional wrestling, that is more prestigious than the WWE Championship. Established in 1963, it has, over time, become the measuring stick by which all other championships are assessed. Since WWE's Night of Champions is just around the corner I thought I'd kick off my first column looking at the ten greatest WWE Champions ever. Please keep in mind that I'm talking about the WWE Title and not the World Heavyweight Title, that's a title for another column.
Honorable Mentions
Kurt Angle
A four time WWF/WWE Champion, Angle headlined two WrestleManias in WWE Title matches. As a champion he consistently put on excellent matches, but most of his title reigns simply filled the time, or he acted as a transitional champion. His reigns were by no means bad, but for someone with so much potential, he never really had an iconic run as champion.
The Undertaker
When it comes to the greatest WWE wrestlers of all time The Undertaker might just top the list, but his reigns as WWF/WWE Champion have all been pretty lackluster. His second reign was his most successful but he spent it wrestling guys like Faarooq and Vader. His other three runs with the belt were either short or fairly uneventful. The Undertaker has been an important champion, but his success transcends the title.
Shawn Michaels
I really went back and forth on whether or not Michaels should make the list. As a performer, he has few peers, and is unquestionably one of the greatest wrestlers in history. However, the list is not about the greatest wrestlers in WWE history, but the greatest WWE Champions. As a WWF Champion Michaels was only pretty good. His first run with the belt was unquestionably a success, but his second ended with him forfeiting the title after a few weeks due to a "severe" knee injury. However, Michaels returned just a few months later fueling the rumors that he faked his injury to avoid returning the job to Bret Hart at WrestleMania 13. His third title reign came as a result of the Montreal screwjob, but due to a legitimately severe back injury he sat out most of the reign. His two bad title reigns drag him down enough to keep him off the list.
Triple H
Triple H just misses the list. As of the writing of this article he's held the WWF/WWE Title eight times, more than anyone else in history, and it is likely that he will be WWE Champion again. The reason why Triple H fails to make the list is that most of his runs with the WWE Title (his first, second, fourth, fifth, seventh and eighth) have been short and uneventful. His third reign was significant because he became the first heel to walk out of WrestleMania the WWF Champion, and his sixth was fairly lengthy. Please don't confuse these criticisms with the typical IWC Triple H hate. It is simply that most of his WWE Title reigns have been mediocre at best when compared to other champions. His reigns as World Heavyweight Champion are another story altogether.
X
"Superstar" Billy Graham
The original "Superstar" just beats out Triple H to take the tenth spot on this list. Billy Graham was a man significantly ahead of his time. While there had been flamboyant wrestlers like Gorgeous George before, professional wrestling had never really seen anything like Billy Graham. With his bleached blond hair, colorful tie-dye outfits, catch phrase laden promos, and bodybuilder physique, Graham became the inspiration for wrestlers like Jesse Ventura and Hulk Hogan. When he first entered the WWWF in 1975 he wrestled the WWWF Champion Bruno Sammartino several times as a rule-breaker, but it wasn't until his second stint in the promotion that he defeated "The Living Legend," with his feet on the ropes for extra leverage, and began his one and only title reign.
Graham's title run was unusual for the WWWF because he was booked as a surprisingly dominant heel champion. All of the previous heels to hold the title had reigns that lasted less than a month, but Graham was WWWF Champion for nearly nine months. During that time Graham defended the title against mostly fan favorites, but started to develop quite a fan following, despite breaking numerous rules, based mostly on his colorful personality. Graham potentially could have gone on to be a very successful baby face champion, but Vince McMahon Sr. had made a promise to Bob Backlund that he would win the championship. Graham lost the WWWF Title to Bob Backlund but did so with a foot on the rope making him the only man to win and lose the belt with his feet on the ropes. Graham would feud with Backlund for several months following the loss, but never won the championship again.
Graham makes the list for three reasons. The first is that he was the longest reigning heel champion in WWE history. It takes a pretty talented performer to hold the title as a rule-breaker as long as Graham did and not turn off fans. The second is that he was a very successful draw as champion. Graham headlined 20 Madison Square Garden shows and sold out 19 of them, making him, percentage wise, the most successful wrestling draw in the history of the arena. Finally, Graham, as mentioned earlier, was the prototype for several other highly successful wrestlers, and countless wrestlers have mimicked his look and his style behind the microphone.
IX
"Macho Man" Randy Savage
While some of the honorable mentions may seem like better choices to fill the ninth spot on this list, Randy Savage takes the spot due to his two very successful reigns as WWF Champion. Unlike most of the WWF Champions before him, Savage spent years working his way up the card, and may have never really been tapped as a potential World Champion had it not been for the epic match he had with Ricky Steamboat at WrestleMania III. A year later he found himself in the final match of a tournament to fill the vacant WWF Title. With the help of Hulk Hogan, Savage defeated Ted DiBiase to capture his first WWF Championship.
Savage would spend the bulk of the next year in an alliance with Hogan, but suspicion and jealousy caused Savage to turn on Hogan. Savage returned to his rule-breaking ways, but lost the title to Hogan at WrestleMania V. This WWF Title reign was unique because it is the only one in the promotion's history to see the champion spend a significant amount of time as both a face and a heel. It was three years before Savage would receive another high profile title shot, and a lot had changed. Savage had lost a career-ending match to the Ultimate Warrior, turned face, married his manager Elizabeth, and got reinstated to feud with Jake Roberts. At WrestleMania VIII Savage battled Ric Flair who had insinuated that he had had a sexual relationship with Elizabeth at one point in the past. Savage won the match and the title with a roll up and a handful of tights. Much of Savage's second reign was spent feuding with Flair, but he also had a high profile match with the Ultimate Warrior at Summer Slam. However, he would lose the WWF Title the next day back to Flair and he would never come close to winning it again.
Savage makes the list because both of his title reigns were accented by high quality matches, and were of significant length, his first lasting more than year and his second lasting five months. The most important aspect of Savage's first championship run was that he acted as a perfect foil to Hulk Hogan. At first he tried to be a hero like him, but his own corruptions drove him to paranoia and violence, and by the end the pairing of the two was like looking at the personifications of good and evil in the ring. Savage's fall from grace, while seemingly fairly standard on the outside, may have been the best wrestling storyline of the 1980s, and it happened while he was champion. His second title reign is the little extra that puts him into the top ten.
VIII
The Rock
Any list of the most popular wrestlers in WWE history would surely include The Rock. He ran neck and neck with "Stone Cold" Steve Austin in terms of mass appeal and marketability during the Attitude Era, and as a result earned seven WWF/WWE Championships during his tenure with the promotion. His first came in the finals of a tournament for the vacant title at the 1998 Survivor Series when he defeated Mankind, turned heel and joined forces with Vince McMahon. He and Mankind would trade the belt four times in the ensuing three months, making The Rock a three time champion by the time WrestleMania XV rolled around and he lost the belt to Steve Austin. The fans couldn't help but cheer The Rock's cocky antics and sing along with his many catch phrases and by the summer of 1999 The Rock was second only to Austin in terms of popularity. He became the main face of the WWF when Austin went down with a neck injury later in the fall.
Around this same time The Rock started to branch out into Hollywood, and hosted Saturday Night Live a few weeks before WrestleMania 2000 where he lost to Triple H in the Fatal Four Way main event. He would win the WWF Title a month later, but would lose it back to Triple H the next month in an Iron Man Match. The Rock won the title for a fifth time in a six man tag at the King of the Ring; this would be his longest title reign, lasting four months before losing it to Kurt Angle. The Rock would win the belt back in time to lose it to Steve Austin in the main event of WrestleMania X-7. He acted as a transitional champion one last time a little more than a year later, being obliterated by Brock Lesnar at Summer Slam 2002.
It may seem odd that The Rock makes the top ten when men like Triple H and Shawn Michaels do not. The fact that The Rock only had one title reign that lasted significantly longer than one month certainly hurts his ranking. However, unlike Triple H and Shawn Michaels, The Rock became a household name, and may very well be the best known (former) pro wrestler in the world outside of Hulk Hogan. Thanks to his level of mainstream marketability he brought a lot of attention to the WWF, and with it a substantial level of prestige to the belt. Although his reigns were short his pursuit of the WWF Title, consumed years of storylines. The Rock was also very successful as both a heel and a face champion, and often had the presence of mind to change hats mid-match depending on the mood of the crowd. The Rock was such a superstar that if he hadn't left for Hollywood he would still surely be on top of the WWE today.
VII
Pedro Morales
Pedro Morales should be an easy pick for anyone trying to make a list of the best WWE Champions. Although he only has one WWWF Title reign to his credit it was a highly significant and lengthy one. Pedro Morales joined the WWWF in 1970, and was an immediate success. His Puerto Rican heritage made him extremely popular in New York due to the large Puerto Rican population. As a baby face he was an ally of WWWF Champion Bruno Sammartino, but when Bruno lost the title to Ivan Koloff and decided he needed a break from wrestling, Morales, due to his popularity, became his obvious successor, and he defeated Koloff a few weeks after Bruno's loss. In a symbolic passing of the torch, Sammartino placed the WWWF Title around Morales's waist. Morales would go on to hold the WWWF Championship for three years, feuding with many of the same men Sammartino had, and took on Sammartino himself in huge event at Shea Stadium. The match ended in a seventy-five minute draw. Morales would eventually lose the title to Stan "The Man" Stasiak, who transitioned it back to Sammartino.
Instead of explaining why Morales is on the list, an explanation of why he's ranked at number seven might be in order. Morales was a great WWWF Champion, but his reign is sandwiched in between Sammartino's two far more successful title reigns. As a result Morales always was second fiddle to Sammartino. He was always the diet-cola to Bruno's regular, a good substitute, but not the real thing. Furthermore, Morales's ethnicity played well in New York, but didn't transition as well to WWWF's other markets. As a result the promotion had to rejoin the NWA in order to bring in better drawing talent. Perhaps if Morales would have had another chance to shine he would have been ranked higher.
VI
John Cena
Of all the names on this list I imagine John Cena may be the most controversial and the most debated. Cena is also the only man on this list to have been WWE Champion exclusively during the modern era of the brand extension. Cena made his WWE debut in 2002 and seemed to be going nowhere until he dressed up like Vanilla Ice on a Halloween episode of SmackDown. Cena dropped the Vanilla Ice costume but kept the white rapper gimmick. With his new attitude laden gimmick Cena's stock as a heel began to rise. During 2003 he was involved in a short program with WWE Champion Brock Lesnar. By the fall of that year he had become a fan favorite by aligning with Kurt Angle in his feud with Lesnar. By his third United States Title reign it was clear that Cena was headed for something bigger and better. He came in second at the 2005 Royal Rumble, but won a tournament earning the WrestleMania 21 WWE Title shot.
At WrestleMania 21 he defeated reigning champion John Bradshaw Layfield with his trademark F-U. A short time later Cena debuted a pimped-out, spinning version of the WWE Title that remains in use to this day. Cena would hold the title for nine months, eventually losing it to Edge who used his "Money in the Bank" privilege against Cena after a grueling Elimination Chamber match. During his first reign a huge portion of the crowd turned against him, and would cheer anyone who challenged him. Undeterred, Cena won the belt back from Edge a few weeks later and would go onto surprisingly retain the belt at WrestleMania 22 in a match against Triple H. While Cena still had a loyal fan base the Cena-haters had grown in number and ferocity. A few months later he lost the WWE Title to Rob Van Dam at the ECW revival show One Night Stand. However, he defeated Edge in a TLC match a few months later to recapture the title. Cena would then go on to have the most successful WWE Title reign since Hulk Hogan's first run with the belt. Cena was champion for 380 days before an injury forced him to surrender the title. He has yet to regain the WWE Title, but it seems highly likely that another reign is not too far off.
There are several good reasons why Cena ranks so high on the list of WWE Champions. Only Bruno Sammartino, Hulk Hogan, Bob Backlund, and Pedro Morales have logged more days as WWE Champion than John Cena, and Cena is only one or two reasonably long title reigns away from passing Morales. The amount of time he has spent as champion is a testament to his marketability and drawing power. Cena has the unusual ability to draw in fans that want to see him win and fans that want to see him lose; fans love him or hate him, but they all react to him. Additionally Cena has managed to stand above the rest of the roster as the poster boy of the modern WWE era. While wrestlers like Triple H, Batista, Edge and Randy Orton are major stars John Cena is the one who has had some moderate success crossing over into the mainstream market, and Cena is the one that is laying the ground work for future wrestlers and wrestling fans.
Coming in at number five on this list is a man who professed to be "the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be," and in terms of technical wrestling skill he certainly can make a case for himself. Bret Hart's five WWF Title reigns were not exactly easy to come by for him. For the better part of his first five years in the promotion he wrestled almost exclusively with Jim Neidhart as the Hart Foundation. He would break out into singles competition in 1991 and captured the Intercontinental Title. He would eventually lose that same title to his brother-in-law Davey Boy Smith in the main event of Summer Slam 1992. However, it was this loss that propelled him to his first WWF Title. Vince McMahon couldn't help but see how popular Hart was with fans all over the world, and a few months later was in a bind. Hogan had left the WWF earlier in the year, and his other main event level talents were either on their way out (Flair), unreliable and a poster boy for steroid abuse (Warrior), or, in Vince's eye, a bit of a has-been (Savage). Left with no ideal alternatives McMahon turned to his most reliable performer, Bret Hart.
Hart won his first WWF Title from Ric Flair at a house show in Saskatchewan, and would hold it until WrestleMania IX where he lost the belt to Yokozuna, who lost the belt immediately to Hulk Hogan. Hart was supposed to have started a summer program with Hogan, but McMahon and Hogan both nixed the plan. It wasn't until WrestleMania X that Hart pinned Yokozuna for his second WWF Title. He would lose the championship to Bob Backlund in controversial fashion and had to wait almost a year before he got a fair title shot. At the 1995 Survivor Series Hart suckered Diesel into a small package and captured the title for a third time. He would hold the championship for a number of months before losing it to Shawn Michaels in the epic Iron Man Match at WrestleMania XII. After his loss he would take a brief hiatus before returning to feud with Steve Austin, during which he would hold the WWF Title for one day. Hart would win his final WWF Championship from the Undertaker at Summer Slam 1997, and lost it to Shawn Michaels in the infamous Montreal screwjob, after which he left the WWF and never returned.
Hart makes the top five for a number of reasons. As a performer he consistently put on stellar matches with anyone he stepped in the ring with. As a Superstar he may very well have been the most internationally popular wrestler that the WWF has ever had. Most importantly though, Bret Hart was the leader of the WWF's "New Generation." When McMahon had nowhere else to turn he went to Hart. When Lex Luger failed to fill the void Hogan left, McMahon turned to Hart. When the Diesel experiment ran its course, the title went back on Hart. I would also argue that the success of Shawn Michaels's first title reign would have been severely undercut had Hart been around to vie for the cheers of the fans. While Hart's legacy will always be tied to the Montreal screw job, he acted as a rock of reliability during a very rough point in WWF history.
IV
Bob Backlund
Bob Backlund might not be one of the first wrestlers to spring to a person's mind when they think about the greatest WWE Champions, but Backlund played a crucial role in the development of the promotion. Backlund, a Division II NCAA Wrestling Champion, joined the WWWF as the very essence of a baby face wrestler in 1977 and almost immediately started battling Billy Graham for the WWWF Title, finally capturing it in February of 1978, kicking off a reign that spanned over five years. Unlike past WWWF Champions Backlund wasn't much of a showman, and wrestled a more scientific, less brawling style, but nonetheless, managed to gain a loyal following. Because the WWWF was a part of the NWA at the time Backlund wrestled in several inter-promotional championship matches taking on NWA champions Harley Race and Ric Flair and AWA Champion Nick Bockwinkel.
He also wrestled NWF Champion Antonio Inoki in Japan where he lost the WWF Championship to him, but won it back a week later (Side note: some claim the title was vacated due to controversy surrounding the title change. Backlund actually walked out with the belt, so I suppose the title was held up after the fact. Pro-Wrestling Illustrated does not recognize the idea that the WWF Title was held up, and neither did Vince McMahon on commentary during the match Backlund had with Bobby Duncum for the supposedly vacant title. Also, Backlund made several appearances as WWF Champion after his rematch with Inoki and before his match with Duncum). However, WWE does not recognize the title switch. Backlund turned back the challenges of numerous opponents including Greg Valentine (who was mistakenly given the belt after a match he lost leading to some controversy), Jimmy Snuka, Pat Paterson, Ken Patera, and a Kung-fu version of Billy Graham.
(You be the judge. Should the title have been held up? This video had imbedding disabled so if you want to see it you'll have to follow the link: Backlund vs Inoki Rematch (phantom title change) )
As the years went on, Backlund's popularity started to decrease, and the new management, Vince McMahon Jr., planned to take the company in a new direction that Backlund would not fit with. The end result was Backlund losing the WWF Title to the Iron Sheik so it could be transferred to Hulk Hogan. Backlund quickly disappeared from the WWF, but would reemerge eight years later. During his second run in the promotion Backlund started out as the same goody-goody character but following a loss to WWF Champion Bret Hart, he snapped unveiling a new psychotic persona. A few months later Backlund achieved what many thought would be impossible and won the WWF Title when Helen Hart through in the towel on behalf of her son who was trapped in the crossface chickenwing. Backlund would only hold the belt for three days and suffered a humiliating eight-second loss to Diesel.
Some might question why Backlund is so high on this list, but the answer to that question is simple. Backlund, like Bret Hart, carried the promotion through what potentially could have been a very rocky period. Bruno Sammartino, who had been the heart of the WWWF since its inception nearly fifteen years prior, was wearing out and Backlund was the perfect mix of wholesomeness, and in ring tenacity that was needed to create another huge star. It was accepted that Backlund couldn't be a replacement for Sammartino, so instead of trying to produce another Bruno clone they let Backlund be himself, and the result was incredibly and perhaps even surprisingly successful.
III
"Stone Cold" Steve Austin
The sound of breaking glass punctuated the entrance of "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, and became a metaphor for the entire Attitude Era. Austin's rise to superstardom started in 1996 when he won the King of the Ring Tournament. The victory propelled Austin in to an epic feud with Bret Hart that resulted in a career-defining match with him at WrestleMania 13. Austin entered the match as the hated rule breaker but left the match the most popular man in the WWF. Austin's career almost came to an end when Owen Hart botched a piledriver and broke his neck at the 1997 Summer Slam. However, Austin remained a fixture on WWF television, giving Vince McMahon his first Stone Cold Stunner, setting up the feud that would consume most of his WWF tenure. Austin would return to the ring at the Survivor Series and would go on to win the 1998 Royal Rumble. At WrestleMania XIV Austin defeated Shawn Michaels for his first WWF Title and officially ushered in the Attitude Era.
Vince McMahon had made it known that he didn't like the idea of Austin as WWF Champion but tried to get him to fall in line. When that didn't work he set a number of corporate opponents against him, including Dude Love, Kane (who got a one day title reign out of his battles with Austin), and the Undertaker. Austin would lose the belt in a match against both Kane and the Undertaker, when both his opponents pinned him at the same time. Austin would rebound by almost winning the 1999 Royal Rumble, losing to Vince McMahon. A month later though, he defeated McMahon in a Steel Cage match to earn a title shot at WrestleMania XV where he defeated the Rock. Austin would trade the belt with the Undertaker and lose it to Mankind in a triple threat match also featuring Triple H. Austin was set to be one of two men challenging Triple H at the 1999 Survivor Series, but finally needed the neck surgery he had put off for years and was written out of the storyline when he was hit with a car just prior to the match. Austin would return almost a year later and eventually found himself back in the title hunt. At WrestleMania X-7 Austin would defeat the Rock for the WWF Title once again, joining up with McMahon in the process. In the fall of 2001 he would lose the belt to Kurt Angle, but won it back a few weeks later, and lost it for the final time to Chris Jericho who unified the WCW and WWF Titles.
Steve Austin ranks third on this list because he was the leader of, and the face of the WWF during its most popular and profitable era. While his time as champion is short compared to a number of other wrestlers on this list his feuds over the title drove years of storyline. His incredible charisma, and his ability to engage in tremendous brawls, and his representation of the "everyman" physically fighting his corrupt boss resulted in him earning legions of fans and arena sellouts all over the country. Soon every wrestler had to have an Austin like edge, and even wrestlers with goofy gimmicks were more controversial. The successfulness of his character is still reflected today every time an evil authority figure holds down a fan favorite.
II
Hulk Hogan
When you say "pro wrestler" to most non-wrestling fans the wrestler they will most likely think of is Hulk Hogan. Hogan, thanks in large part his national exposure in Rocky III, rocketed to the top of the World Wrestling Federation in 1984. Almost immediately upon his return to the WWF he was thrust into a main event story line, saving recently defeated champion Bob Backlund. A few weeks later Hogan found himself in the center of Madison Square Garden staring down the WWF Champion The Iron Sheik as a replacement for the injured Bob Backlund. He dominated the champ, escaping the Camel Clutch en route to hitting his trademark legdrop and winning his first WWF Title. On that day a marketing phenomenon was born.
Hulkamania started running wild, and it was Vince McMahon's vision to bring it to every market in the country. To accomplish this goal McMahon started predatorily buying up promotions and forming an alliance with fledging network MTV in the "Rock 'n' Wrestling Connection." The focal point was Hogan's feud with "Rowdy" Roddy Piper, and it culminated at the first WrestleMania. Hogan would go on to turn back the challenges of numerous opponents, the most significant being Andre the Giant.
At WrestleMania III, in front of one of the largest audiences in wrestling history Hulk Hogan body slammed Andre the Giant and pinned him cleanly in the center of the ring. The match, while not a technical classic is widely cited as the most important match in American wrestling history. Hogan would eventually lose the belt to Andre in highly controversial fashion but would win it back after a year long story arc with Randy Savage. His second reign lasted a year before he passed the proverbial torch to the Ultimate Warrior at WrestleMania VI. A year later Hogan was back on top having defeated Sgt. Slaughter for the WWF Title. He would lose to and win back the title from the Undertaker before the end of the year, but was stripped of the title due to controversy over the switches. He retired at WrestleMania VIII, but returned at WrestleMania IX to beat newly crowned champion, Yokozuna. He would lose the title back to the mammoth sumo and leave the WWF a few months later. Nine years later he would return as a part of the New World Order. After an epic match at WrestleMania X-8, just two months after his return Hogan would defeat Triple H for his final, month long, WWF Title reign.
Like Bret Hart, Bob Backlund, and Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan represented an era in professional wrestling. What sets him apart from the rest of the pack is that during his heyday he was without rivals to his top spot. Even successful champions like Randy Savage and the Ultimate Warrior were second in popularity to Hulk Hogan. Hogan's superhero like persona and in-ring ritual (Real American, tearing his shirt, Hulking up, big boot, Leg Drop, and post-match flexing) were perfect for the new, mainstream brand of wrestling, and became the template for countless other wrestlers.
Most importantly, on the back of Hogan's incredible popularity, the World Wrestling Federation expanded from a regional promotion to a national one. Hulk Hogan became a household name, a merchandise-selling machine, and a hero to millions of little Hulksters all over the world. With out a performer the caliber of Hulk Hogan, the WWF probably would have failed in its attempt to go national, there probably never would have been a WrestleMania, and most of us probably wouldn't be going to websites like 411mania to discuss wrestling, as wrestling would have never hit the mainstream market.
I
"The Living Legend" Bruno Sammartino
There can really be no doubt that Bruno Sammartino is the greatest WWE Champion in the history of the promotion. In fact, Sammartino is one of the reasons the World Wide Wrestling Federation was created in the first place. Vince McMahon Sr. and the other promoters of Capitol Wrestling realized the unlimited potential drawing power of Sammartino and decided to make him the focal point of their promotion. According to his book, Sammartino, who had been royally screwed over by McMahon a few years earlier (McMahon intentionally caused him to lose his wrestling license), said he would only return to Capitol Wrestling if he was guaranteed a World Title shot against NWA Champion Buddy Rogers. Rogers happened to favor McMahon's promotion and had become notoriously reluctant to defend his title around the country, so the NWA had him drop the title to Lou Thesz in January 1963. McMahon and company disputed his loss and used this as an excuse to break away from the NWA and still promote Rogers as World Champion. It wasn't until April that Rogers "won" the WWWF Title in a phony tournament. Only a few short weeks later Sammartino obliterated Rogers, making him submit to an over-the-shoulder backbreaker in just under a minute.
Sammartino would go on to have the longest title reign in American pro-wrestling history, defending the WWWF Title against the likes of Gorilla Monsoon, Hans Mortier, Jerry and Luke Graham, Waldo Von Erich, Bill Watts, Killer Kowalski, Mikel Scicluna, and Ivan Koloff among others. He defended the title constantly. In fact, during his eight-year span as champion Bruno traveled mostly around the North Eastern United States, usually only getting one full day at home once every two weeks. He finally lost the WWWF Title to Ivan Koloff on January 18, 1971. He would recapture the title from Stan Stasiak nearly three years later, and would once again dominate the WWWF for a significant amount of time.
It was during this reign that he had perhaps the most significant feud of his career. During a match with Stan Hansen, Sammartino sustained a serious neck injury after a botched body slam. He would be out of action for a few months, but returned, before he was fully healed to decimate Hansen in a wild brawl at Madison Square Garden. Sammartino would eventually lose the WWWF Title to "Superstar" Billy Graham, and continued to wrestle in a more limited capacity following the loss until he grew disenfranchised with the direction his sport had taken under the rule of Vince McMahon Jr. He remains an advocate against McMahon's brand of sports entertainment.
There are several reasons why Bruno Sammartino earns the number one position. His time as WWWF Champion accounts for twenty-four percent, nearly one quarter, of the title's entire history! The next closest is Hulk Hogan at thirteen percent. This alone should be enough to guarantee him the top spot, but in a world of "what have you done for me lately" attitudes and my aforementioned decree that title reign lengths don't necessarily equate to the best champions, some might need more justification.
The fact of the matter is Bruno Sammartino laid a massive foundation for WWE. His Italian heritage, brawling style, everyman persona, and legitimate strength all fueled his massive appeal, leading to his headlining of more than one hundred cards at Madison Square Garden. He was in his day considered a legitimate sports hero. He visited children in the hospital long before there was a Make-a-Wish Foundation, and when he lost his first WWWF Title to Ivan Koloff, the crowd was stunned silent, until they broke into sobs of grief.
Bruno Sammartino's legacy is, whether he likes it or not, the promotion of World Wrestling Entertainment. In the hands of anyone less capable the WWWF most likely would have failed without the backing of the NWA, like it did under Pedro Morales. However, with Bruno leading the way the promotion's title became successful enough to maintain its "World Title" status even when it rejoined the NWA. While he may not have driven merchandise sales or crossover media, he was the very essence of professional wrestling in its largest market. For nearly two decades he acted as the bedrock upon which WWE was built. Had it not been for him there would not have been a viable promotion for Vince McMahon to take national in the 1980s. These facts make Bruno, unquestionably the greatest WWE Champion of all time, and will most likely keep him in the top spot for decades to come.
Well, that does it for me this week, I hope to see you back here next week for the Top Ten Worst WWE Champions.
Did I Fail Epically? Got Comments? You Know You Do!
Seriously, in a column where you show such knowledge of the business how the fuck could you put John Cena in the same class as The Rock, Steve Austin, Bret Hart, Randy Savage, etc.
Has he had great matches? Yes.
Has the E forced people to buy into him? Yes. But putting him over HBK, The UnderTaker, Trips, and Kurt fuckin' Angle is insulting. Cena's contributions to pro wrestling are no where near those of the 4 in your "Honorable Mentions."
Other than that, great column my man!
-Alex
Posted By: Alex Mattis (Guest) on July 12, 2009 at 11:30 PM
I quite pleased that you count The Rock among the top ten WWE champs, but I think you made a mistake when you said that he's a 7 time champ......scartch that, I just checked, you said 7 time WWF/WWE champ, I was afraid you weren't going to count his 2 WCW championships (even though they were won in the WWE Invasion angle).
Also you can point out that The Rock was the last true Undisputed champion, because once he lost the belt to Lesnar, Lesnar went exclusive to SmackDown! and the 2 World titles emerged again.
Posted By: AdamRock (Guest) on July 12, 2009 at 11:31 PM
I would put Hulk Hogan at #1 personally. A lot of people may not like him, but his first title reign cemented the WWF/E's rise to the top.
Posted By: Eric (Guest) on July 12, 2009 at 11:50 PM
You're going to catch hell for Cena being in there, but you acknowledged that fact and offered a strong argument in favor of the most loved and hated member of the WWE Roster.
I hate list columns because, but this one was ballsy and well written/researched. Kudos for that.
Just don't do what the last list guy did and write very similar lists, naming the same matches 10 different times in a matter a a few weeks.
Posted By: Guest#8054 (Guest) on July 12, 2009 at 11:51 PM
I'd switch Cena and Hart.
Posted By: DS (Guest) on July 12, 2009 at 11:51 PM
So John Cena is a better "WWF/E Champion" than Taker, HBK and HHH in the history of the business ?
Two words for YA
EPIC FAIL
Posted By: Epic Failure For John Peters (Guest) on July 12, 2009 at 11:56 PM
Let me guess. You also think Ronnie Garvin was the third greatest NWA Champ ever, right?
Posted By: Brad K. (Guest) on July 12, 2009 at 11:59 PM
Alex Mattis said it perfectly.
You've ruined your good arguments for most of these guys by putting Cena in the top 10 and leaving four guys that are vastly superior to him in any single area of the pro wrestling business.
Angle,Taker,HBK and HHH on ONE Hand are BETTER than Cena.
Posted By: John Peters = FAIL (Guest) on July 12, 2009 at 11:59 PM
Nice column, good work
Posted By: Bobby (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:06 AM
Well, you picked a a doozy for your first list, and after seeing Mr Angle out of the top ten, I was ready to scram bloody murder. But after reading your reasons against his inclusion, and your reasons for those in the top ten, I must say you did an excellent job. Kudos man. And Cena haters, I'm with you, but like it or not, the guy has been the face of the company for years now, and that jean-short wearing motherfucker has to make the top ten.
Posted By: Jay Smith (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Your list = 100% epic fail! Hulk who? Bruno who?
The top 5 WWE Champions should be:
5 Batista
4 Randy Orton
3 Flair
2 HBK
1 HHH
Posted By: HHH Rulz (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:22 AM
Well, you picked a a doozy for your first list, and after seeing Mr Angle out of the top ten, I was ready to scram bloody murder. But after reading your reasons against his inclusion, and your reasons for those in the top ten, I must say you did an excellent job. Kudos man. And Cena haters, I'm with you, but like it or not, the guy has been the face of the company for years now, and that jean-short wearing motherfucker has to make the top ten.
Posted By: Jay Smith (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:09 AM
I'm not a Cena hater but UT has been around longer and has been an actual face of the business and not the reason why peeople don't watch wrestling anymore despite Cenas suppporters claims to otherwise. People love and respect UT and his second reign wasn't just against Faroo
Posted By: Guest#4032 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:33 AM
I don't really like Cena, but he moves merch like hell and, as you pointed out, has logged an awful lot of time as Champ. I probably would have put him lower, but he still would have been on the list.
It will be interesting though, to see how we look back on Cena's run in 10-20 years from now.
Posted By: Hawkeye (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:35 AM
"Your list = 100% epic fail! Hulk who? Bruno who?
The top 5 WWE Champions should be:
5 Batista
4 Randy Orton
3 Flair
2 HBK
1 HHH"
Batista was WWE Champion for one day.
Posted By: Guest#2817 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:35 AM
Ok for all the people bitching about Cena's position on the list,I will give you this. I too think that Angle,HHH,HBK,and Taker are better wrestlers than Cena. BUT,none of those guys except maybe,just maybe HHH could have been looked at during their title reigns as an absoulute WWE CHAMPION,the ultimate top superstar,the one who put asses in seats whether you liked them or not more than John Cena.
Posted By: jonah (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:48 AM
Titles used to mean something back then.
They were the best perfomers,usually the most reliable backstage,AND the biggest draws.
You had to be a perfomer back then and credible to be champ.
Not just get pops and sell merch.
You had to have the ability to make others look good.
Post-Hogan i'd say Bret and Cena for number of title reigns and length as opposed to Austin and Rocky who had are mega media stars but never had LONG "This is the champ mofo" type of reins Bret Hart did and Cena does.
When Bret hart was on a show,the whole fucking show stopped you know this was that top guy in the company.
Now compare that to Jericho's reigns or even Edge's.
To me world champs gotta be the best guy OVERALL in the company.
Not guys like Jeff Hardy....
Posted By: MacDollarz. (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:52 AM
Oh,and no way is Bruno Sammartino the ultimate WWE champion.Good god,put that guy tenth or in honorable mentions.
Posted By: jonah (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:52 AM
Your list = 100% epic fail! Hulk who? Bruno who?
The top 5 WWE Champions should be:
5 Batista
4 Randy Orton
3 Flair
2 HBK
1 HHH
Posted By: HHH Rulz (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:22 AM
What are you, like 12 yrs old???
Posted By: WTF??? (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:52 AM
While Bruno is indeed the undisputed greatest champion that the WWE has ever had, Bob Backlund gets no love? The guy had to not only follow Bruno, but Superstar as well and managed to put together an extremely successful and profitable 6 year run as champion drawing great houses and having matches of the year with Ken Patera, Pat Patterson, and Jimmy Snuka.
Posted By: Patrick Mullin (Registered) on July 13, 2009 at 12:55 AM
As much as I don't like John Cena he does deserve a spot on this list. He's just too high for my liking. I can't imagine ranking him higher than even Kurt Angle who has some very memorable moments behind his title runs.
I knock Cena down a bit because his runs felt too manufactured. All of the great champions tend to lose the belt when the time is right. Cena clung on too long.
Also, I don't care how many years other guys held the title... Austin simply HAS to be number one.
Posted By: Ron Mexico (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:59 AM
Worst I'd say Deisel was the worst.They almost went out of business.
Even Sid was a better choice imo..Deisel character got neutered after they seperated him from HBK and he was never good in the ring and was half the talker he is today.
Really,really almost unbearable.Warrior has got to be up there too..
Its like Flair said,once you put certain guys in the mainevent and put the strap on em they'll get exposed if they dont know how to work or cut great promo's.
Posted By: Macdollarz. (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:59 AM
HHH's 6th reign lasted 2 hours - his 7th lasted 7 months. And his 8th did include WM25. The match itself was pants, but the build-up was impressive.
Posted By: that guy (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 01:04 AM
lol do a top ten TNA champs(obviously include NWA title reigns).
That shit should be interesting.
I'd actually put JJ and Joe before angle.
Cuz JJ dominated from show number 2 to like 2006 non stop mainevents and title reigns..
People forget TNA was the Jeff Jarrett and AJ Styles show until they hit Spike TV...
Overall JJ had some of the best runs as champ this decade.
Joe becuz he held it for a dcent amount of time and he had great matches and walked awat with the title at KOTM..
Angle is the first TNA champ and has held it 3 times each for like six months a peice and has been the focus of TNA since he stepped in the ring for them...
Sting's most recent run was epic..
Worst TNA champ is Abyss becuz of the booking around it and the length.
I'd say Foley second worst but neither that bad.TNA hasnt had an unbearable title reign yet IMO and their champs (for all titles)are pretty solid 90 percent of the time..
Posted By: MacDollarz. (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 01:09 AM
My best was Bruno Sammartino a close 2nd was a tie from Bret or Hogan.
Posted By: Dean Chan (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 01:15 AM
That egotistical fag HHH should not be in the top 10. I don't care how many title reigns he politics his way into.
Posted By: The Great Smartass (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 01:18 AM
Easily an attempt to show off one's wrestling knowledge and history as well as try to spark some major discussion here in the comments. And I like how the comments about Cena only range from 2002-2005. Way to put a lot of effort in to that one!
Posted By: Jay-C (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 01:19 AM
LOL at having Cena on the list
Posted By: GD (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 01:27 AM
Epic fail. Putting Cena over the Undertaker, HHH, and the Rock is a joke. Plain and simple. Putting Moarles on the list at all is pretty stupid too. You might as well have put Stasiak on the list. Pretty dumb im humble opinion.
Posted By: Joe (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 01:57 AM
I have to wonder if you didn't just put Cena on their to ruffle feathers. I can't see him being better than HHH. Admittedly, Preparation H is married to the bosses daughter; which in any business, assures a prominent position within the company. Having said that, the man has held the title numerous times and put on some pretty damned good matches. I don't think Cena is even in the same league as some of the others you ranked him above. Give him another 5 yrs or more, and maybe he'd garner a spot above Macho Man and the others. To be honest, I'd almost have to put JBL ahead of Cena, simply for the duration of his 2004 title reign.
Posted By: Guest#0278 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 02:22 AM
GREAT COLUMN, the editor use great arguments to convey his message on why he thinks the list makes sense. However, is just his opinion and everyone is entitle to his/her opinion as long it makes sense. Great Article. Here is my list, I'm not going to rationalize my list, is only logical why i chose this wrestlers.
1) Hulk Hogan (is only obvious)
2) Bret Hitman Hart (my favorite wrestler, but even I have to admit Hogan is better)
3) Stone Cold (dude yes he was popular, his popularity transended his title wins)
4)HBK (Great wrestler, I do not think he is better than bret, but HBK SHOULD MAKE THE LIST and he deserves it)
5) The Rock ( the greatest entertainer
Posted By: REBEL (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 02:38 AM
TO CONTINUE FROM PREVIOUSLY and to conclude
hogan, bret hart, stone cold,hbk, rock,savage,warrior, undertaker,diesel, bruno.. and
list 100) HHH THE LOOSER, HE SUX, DAM HE IS A HYPOCRITE
Posted By: REBEL (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 02:45 AM
Man, seeing that Austin vs Kane video from the attitude era really got me sad. I miss those years of Pro Wrestling. I fucking hate Aging why cant we all just stay in our primes Hell If they still had Austin Feuding with Mcmahon I wouldn't complain those were the best years.
Posted By: chubs (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 02:48 AM
I don't like Cena but he belongs above Taker, Angle, and the others. People forget that Taker's reigns have been marginal and mostly only acted as thank-yous for his loyalty. Shawn's first reign was a complete failure. Ratings and house shows continued to tank, and the male half of the crowd turned on him by the end of the reign. He was Cena before there even was a Cena. The E just had the good sense to run with it unlike now. His only significant reign was with DX and that was only to transition to Austin. Angle's in the same boat, his only meaningful reign was used to get Brock over. Bret also bombed the first time out. His only important reign was with the Hart Foundation, and that was to get Austin over. Even Vince never seemed to have faith in him, always jumping onto to guys like Diesel or Luger as his next big thing. I mean, he lost the belt to freaking Backlund who then proceeded to get squashed by Diesel. That's kind of indicative of his legacy as champ, unfortunately.
Like it or not, each decade has had "its" champion in WWE. 60s/70s was Bruno. 80s was Hogan. 90s was Austin. And 00s is Cena. He's not the draw any of those guys were all things considered but he's this generations star.
Posted By: Guest#2744 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 02:49 AM
Cena should be on the list. He moves merchandise even when he doesn't have a title and he gets a strong crowd reaction, which is what you want. That is the kind of charisma you want - the kind that gets kids buying.
A similar thing can be said of Jeff Hardy, although his title reign was nothing to write about. Neither need a title to sell stuff.
Triple H sells merchandise, but that is with the backing of being constantly in the title picture.
I like the Undertaker, but counting his title reigns against the length of his career I have to admit he has been a transitional champion. He has been important to the company but he hasn't been the one to carry it.
Posted By: Guest#5237 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 02:50 AM
Good job putting Backlund in the top 5.
Posted By: L I A M (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 02:58 AM
"BUT,none of those guys except maybe,just maybe HHH could have been looked at during their title reigns as an absoulute WWE CHAMPION,the ultimate top superstar,the one who put asses in seats whether you liked them or not more than John Cena."
You weren't a wrestling fan in 1996 were you?
Also, your argument is flawed - how can the WWE champion be the absolute, ultimate top superstar when there's a second (much nicer looking) world title in the company?
Posted By: Quimby (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 03:29 AM
How about Michaels' last reign, where he didn't even defend the title except for the match in which he lost it?
Posted By: MissyNEVERWearssocksWithShoes (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 03:30 AM
One more thing...for those who are getting pissy about Cena being on the list...just the fact that he held the title for 380 days in an era where it bounces around like a stoned cheerleader at a frat party should count for something, even if just from a kayfabe perspective.
Posted By: MissyNEVERWearssocksWithShoes (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 03:42 AM
You guys are hilarious. First of all great, column and an enjoyable read. In a scripted business, the only thing you can really measure a great champion with is the amount of asses he puts in the seats. If he has a lengthy title reign that means people are coming to see him. With that being said, here is my list:
1. Bruno Sammartino - Sold out MSG more times in a row than any other performer in the history of the promotion.
2. Steve Austin - Saved the promotion during one of it's darkest periods and helped launch pro wrestling into the stratusphere in the late 90's.
3. Hulk Hogan - Did the exact same thing as Austin, but in the 80's. The only reason I ranked Austin higher is because made the company more money during his run. Plus Hogan would have been a midcard level joke heel in the 90's, where as Austin probably could have worked back in the 80's too, but he would have been a heel.
4. The Rock - I know Bob Backlund was champion for an ungodly number of year, but nobody outside of smart mark wrestling fans have a clue who Bob Backlund is. The Rock on the other hand has trascended the wrestling industry and is a household name. The Rock had to carry the ball when Austin went down to injury (people freaked out about that back in the day) and did a damn good job. He put over a new star on his way out the door in his last run, thus showing he had a smart mind for business.
5. Bret Hart - He was in the unenviable position of champion right after the whole steroid debacle of the early 90's and it's a huge credit to him the promotion didn't go out of business during that time. During Bret's runs, the WWE came back from the depths of collapse and was virged to skyrocket back into the mainstream right after he left the promotion in 1997. My favorite was his 1997 heel run, just because it was good entertainment and the people started realizing that as well. That's what laid the ground work for people to start watching the product again.
Now, as far your complains go.
John Cena - Whether you like him or not, Cena is synonymous with WWE in this era. He's had lengthy title reigns and remains the face of the promotion. He belongs on the list smart marks.
I would take Macho out, move Superstar up, and put HHH at 10. HBK was one of the worst drawing champions in history and he refused to put people over.
Just my take smart marks
Posted By: Guest#3757 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 03:43 AM
Okay I think you can safely skip what HHH rulz said lol. Hasn't been watching wrestling more than 5 years guaranteed.
That was risky putting Cena in there, especially at number 6! Got to give you credit for doing it though. It's not a popularity contest, it's about the great WWE/WWF champions. And let's face it, 385 days or whatever has earned him a spot in the top 10. I'm sure you'll catch a lot of heat for Cena, but hey, you can't always be 100% conservative with everything.
Cool list, great videos, I enjoyed it quite a bit.
Posted By: cowboysmb3dw28 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 03:58 AM
What a joke to rank people that were semi-relevant 30 years ago to the more talented champions of recent years. Nobody alive today remembers Randy Savage or Bruno Sammertino. Hulk Hogan can't even wrestle and I never even heard of Bob Backlund.
Here's the most epic, most unbiased all-time Top Ten greatest champions in this thread so far:
10 CM Punk
9 Eddie Guerrero
8 Stone Cold
7 Undertaker
6 HBK
5 Batista
4 Orton
3 Edge
2 Cena
1 HHH
Posted By: Jake (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 04:45 AM
Great Column!
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 05:55 AM
Great job with the new column. I agree with putting John Cena up there.. and your list isn't bad overall. I'd have put Hogan first, Austin second, and Bruno third.. but it's all the same really.
Kudos on the column, looking forward to more!
Posted By: Blackbird 13 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 06:51 AM
Can't argue with your list. You explained why guys are on the list perfectly.
Posted By: Deathpool (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 07:28 AM
Great Column my man! Don't worry about the wrist-lock obsessed smarks, Cena deserves to be top ten without question. I feel Bret could have been at #4 instead of Bob, but other than that, perfect. Nice to see Bret get the recognition he so truly deserves
Posted By: Great Column! (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 07:32 AM
Thanks for trying but I was done when I saw Cena ranked over Dwayne Johnson and Randy Savage. You guys got to get together...these backwards opinions are getting out of hand around here.
LOL@Rock being neck for neck with Stone Cold in 1999. No..he superceded Austin's popularity in 1999 because the fans were openly booing Austin leading to Survivor Series '99.
Posted By: Erik (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 07:43 AM
1. Hulk Hogan- Nobody else is even close IMHO.
2. Austin
3. Bret Hart
4. The Rock
5. HHH
6th and rising- John Cena
10 years from now Cena will likely be #3.
Posted By: aaron (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 07:50 AM
"John Cena - Whether you like him or not, Cena is synonymous with WWE in this era. He's had lengthy title reigns and remains the face of the promotion. He belongs on the list smart marks."
Yes, but this era is dull and bland compared to years past. The WWF title matches at PPVs in the 80s/90s were attached to wonderful stories i.e. Andre turning on Hogan, the Mega Powers exploding, Hulkamania vs Warrior Wildness, the REAL World's Champion, Austin vs McMahon, Foley's ultimate dream, Harts vs USA etc.
Nowadays titles are very undervalued and stories move along to sell PPVs, and don't have time to mature.
The Rock, Steve Austin, Hogan, Savage, HBK, Triple H et all had at least one memorable run (HBK 1996), career defining fued (Rock/Triple H), or classic, classic angle (Mega-Powers).
However, every WWE champion in the current era has given us nothing but repetitive, mindless sludge. (However, we have had some great World Champions).
Posted By: Loki (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 07:58 AM
I'm not a HHH fan, but he probably deserved to be top ten. My real beef is with Backlund though, boring as hell and the ring and seemed like a guy who the WWF just didn't have any other options so the said EEhhh leave the belt on Backlund. His mid 90's run as Mr. Backlund was the only point he was watchable.
Posted By: Guest#1090 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 08:13 AM
Seriously, in a column where you show such knowledge of the business how the fuck could you put John Cena in the same class as The Rock, Steve Austin, Bret Hart, Randy Savage, etc.
Has he had great matches? Yes.
Has the E forced people to buy into him? Yes. But putting him over HBK, The UnderTaker, Trips, and Kurt fuckin' Angle is insulting. Cena's contributions to pro wrestling are no where near those of the 4 in your "Honorable Mentions."
Other than that, great column my man!
-Alex
Posted By: Alex Mattis (Guest) on July 12, 2009 at 11:30 PM
I totally agree because we were NEVER forced to buy into Rock, Austin, Savage, Taker and Trips. No way bcoz DEY WERE COOLZ WRESTLAZ. Those guys never got a push at all, they had to fight there way to the top, unlike John Cena, who has clearly had no struggles in his career at all no way.
Posted By: ATTITUDE ERA WAZ DA BEST!!! (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 08:45 AM
Excellent column, a fine addition to the world of 411.
Posted By: The Stealer (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 09:07 AM
Great column. The wrestling section on 411 has been without a Top Ten for too long.
I admit, at first I was mad that Angle and Taker weren't higher up, but you offered legitimate explanation, and I agreed with it.
Looking forward to future columns, and hoping you ignore the Cena haters.
Posted By: ZeroVX (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 09:13 AM
I would put Hulk Hogan at #1 personally. A lot of people may not like him, but his first title reign cemented the WWF/E's rise to the top.
Posted By: Eric (Guest
fuck you and hogan. i am 40+ have watched wrestling since 1974 ive seen era on top of era. that being said i had rather watch a 4 hr marathon of cena promos and matches than anything to do with hogan. cena vs talent has decent to excellent matches hogan sucks with everyone. case in point cena vs michaels are some great matches, the only way shawn could make it watchable with hogan is to oversale like an roh rookie
Posted By: hogan sux his fans swallow (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 09:34 AM
this article has no blown out of proportion sympathy for eddie guerrero?
Posted By: Guest#2498 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 09:44 AM
Your list = 100% epic fail! Hulk who? Bruno who?
The top 5 WWE Champions should be:
5 Batista
4 Randy Orton
3 Flair
2 HBK
1 HHH
Posted By: HHH Rulz (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:22 AM
You are obviously a 10 year old kid if that is honestly your top 5. When I started watching wrestling 35 years ago I went into the history of the sport to see what I missed so many years before. I bought books and old magazines to read up on wrestling history. I could have only dreamed to see some of those earlier champs in action. I also remember when a Championship meant something. The title belt was proudly worn around the champions waist - not carried by hand and dragging on the floor or tucked down the front of someones tights.
Posted By: Guest#0857 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 10:19 AM
"What a joke to rank people that were semi-relevant 30 years ago to the more talented champions of recent years. Nobody alive today remembers Randy Savage or Bruno Sammertino. Hulk Hogan can't even wrestle and I never even heard of Bob Backlund.
Here's the most epic, most unbiased all-time Top Ten greatest champions in this thread so far:
10 CM Punk
9 Eddie Guerrero
8 Stone Cold
7 Undertaker
6 HBK
5 Batista
4 Orton
3 Edge
2 Cena
1 HHH
Posted By: Jake (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 04:45 AM"
Just reading this kid's comment has made me dumber. His head is so far up his ass, he only sees the shit that vince feeds him now. Please, for the love of God, give up your "fanhood" of professional wrestling. Gymnastics would be a better suit for you until you hit puberty... No one remembers Savage? Ha... Hogan can't wrestle, no argument there but putting "Ball-Tasta" on the list is quite insulting to the world of wrestling as a whole... BTW LOL at Punk. Give him 5 years and MAYBE we can discuss him holding a belt in a relevant way... When said idiot removes said head from said ass, he will then be exposed to the real world of wrestling and respect the ones that laid the foundation of which our present-day performers enjoy...
Posted By: MP Moore (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 10:22 AM
Great article. Very well written and certainly hard to argue with the choices. Thank you John Peters, I will be looking forward to future articles.
Posted By: PDM (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 10:22 AM
I stopped reading when Kurt FREAKIN' Angle only got an honorable mention.
Fail.
Posted By: poffo316 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 10:25 AM
What a joke to rank people that were semi-relevant 30 years ago to the more talented champions of recent years. Nobody alive today remembers Randy Savage or Bruno Sammertino. Hulk Hogan can't even wrestle and I never even heard of Bob Backlund.
Here's the most epic, most unbiased all-time Top Ten greatest champions in this thread so far:
10 CM Punk
9 Eddie Guerrero
8 Stone Cold
7 Undertaker
6 HBK
5 Batista
4 Orton
3 Edge
2 Cena
1 HHH
Posted By: Jake (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 04:45 AM
The moment i saw HHH as ur No.1 choice, pretty much negates everything u said earlier.
Posted By: Guest#6670 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 10:35 AM
His lengthy title reign aside, can you really call bruno the best when he only really toured the northeast and not the country and then world as champion? How many defenses has he had out of the northeastern region during those thousands of days as champion? I feel like taking the title to the next level automatically makes you a better champion...as does the amount of money you draw as champion......inflation included bruno doesnt hold up.
Posted By: Guest#0973 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 10:42 AM
Bruno was a champ at a time when there was a lack of options. The number two guy was Pedro freaking Martinez. Hogan was champ when Savage, Steamboat, Dibiase, Perfect, etc., were in the company. Austin was top dog over Rock, Taker, Foley, Angle, and HHH. Bruno should be no higher than third.
Posted By: Guest#7389 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 10:42 AM
While I put in a submission for a list-like column (not a top 10) that Larry didn't read, I'm pretty sure (not saying it was or wasn't better than this or anything) I have to admit, this was very well put together, and I enjoyed it.
Most of these guys probably skipped the part where you mention the criteria for being a good champion means that they had to HAVE THE BELT (or be feuding over it) TO BE CONSIDERED, HENCE JOHN CENA'S PLACEMENT OVER TAKER/HHH/HBK.
Oh well, can't win them all over.
Great read, keep it up.
Posted By: Empire Of Ownage (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 10:43 AM
I think this may be one of the best written columns in the history of 411. I know it is the best from the last two years. Great job!
Posted By: Guest#9271 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 10:47 AM
much respect for this list.
i appreciate the nod to historical significance instead of rehashing a list of the usual suspects.
when's the last time pedro morales, bruno samartino or bob backlund made a top 10 for anything on 411?
as for the melonhead who says he never even heard of bob backlund, that's like saying you love the nfl but have never heard of jim brown.
know your history people. there was life before 1995.
Posted By: memphis b-rad (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 11:03 AM
JBL shoudla gotten some Honorable Mention. As he basically changed his whole persona and gimmick based on his win. AND he had a good run, regardless of what some of the "Smarks" think.
Posted By: AG Awesome (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 11:10 AM
What a joke to rank people that were semi-relevant 30 years ago to the more talented champions of recent years. Nobody alive today remembers Randy Savage or Bruno Sammertino. Hulk Hogan can't even wrestle and I never even heard of Bob Backlund.
Here's the most epic, most unbiased all-time Top Ten greatest champions in this thread so far:
10 CM Punk
9 Eddie Guerrero
8 Stone Cold
7 Undertaker
6 HBK
5 Batista
4 Orton
3 Edge
2 Cena
1 HHH
Posted By: Jake (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 04:45 AM
You'll have to excuse Jakey boy here. I'm guessing he's 12 and has only been watching wrestling for a year or two now.
Posted By: Zipper (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Your a tool and a babyface mark.
Posted By: F5 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 11:16 AM
I notice quite a few people didn't actually look at the list, or any of the reasons why he picked people, all they did was scan to see if Cena got mentioned and went on a typical whinge.
Great column, I disagree with a couple of them but only enough to say I disagree, not that the column was crap because of it
Posted By: Guest#1023 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 11:17 AM
What a joke to rank people that were semi-relevant 30 years ago to the more talented champions of recent years. Nobody alive today remembers Randy Savage or Bruno Sammertino. Hulk Hogan can't even wrestle and I never even heard of Bob Backlund.
Here's the most epic, most unbiased all-time Top Ten greatest champions in this thread so far:
10 CM Punk
9 Eddie Guerrero
8 Stone Cold
7 Undertaker
6 HBK
5 Batista
4 Orton
3 Edge
2 Cena
1 HHH
Posted By: Jake (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 04:45 AM
Wow another babyface mark.
Posted By: F5 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Good column, God bless the Jake kid in the comments section who thinks nobody is alive to remember Randy Savage. And ranked CM Punk even though he never held the belt.
My 10:
1.Hulk Hogan
2. Steve Austin
3. Bruno Sammartino
4. HHH
5. John Cena
6. Bret Hart
7. The Rock
8. Backlund
9. Randy Savage
10.Ric Flair
Posted By: Guest#2997 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Backlund shouldnt be on the list. Hogan, the man that influenced 75% of the current fans to watch pro wrestling, should be number 1.
Posted By: Picone44 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Good list...I only have one argument. First let me start by saying you said great champions and you are absolutely right to make it that way. In ring performancese don't really mean the same thing. So I think that Bret Hart being in the top ten is kind of pushing...even more so than Cena. Cena was CLEARLY the driving force of the BUSINESS of mainstream professional wrestling for most of the last 5 years. Bret, I always thought, got the run as much to do with who was NOT there as his talent. I just don' thtink if Savage and Hogan had stayed he would have been evne a main eventer. I think that the industry changed around him and that Shawn Michaels EASILY outshines him. HHH too. I really dig the older guys being on here...especially Morales as I never knew much about him and learned something...good article I just think HHH at least should be ahead of Bret.
Posted By: The Get some kid (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 11:44 AM
i love how all the smarks are butthurt about Cena being on the list. Face it Undertaker is not a good champion, he is a great wrestler but if he wins the title the company runs out of steam for bookinbg Taker. HBK was a terrible WWE champion, his first reign is only memorable for the match where he won the title, his second might as well not exist, and his third reign was only notable because of the screwjob and him losing the belt to Austin. The Rock had 7 title reignsthat altogether dont even have the same length a Cena's third reign. Kurt Angle at this point is more important for his run with the TNA belt than anything he did with the WWE title. I'll go a step further with this, when Cena held the beld his character changed from rapper to "The Champ". When your whole gimmick is basicly being the champion you probably rank pretty high on the list of best WWE champions
Posted By: J.J.T (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 11:46 AM
This column is a complete joke. First of all to have John Cena on the front page picture linking to this article and in the article itself is an insult to every halfway decent WWE champion in history, not to mention the inclusion of the bastardised version of the WWE championship on the front page picture is equally insulting. It would possibly be more forgivable if the rankings weren't so laughable, but they are so this column is a complete waste of space.
Posted By: Guest#9997 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Here's my problem with people talking about how Cena is the man of his era because he held the title for long so.
Cena has no competition. Hulk Hogan was great but he always had Randy Savage or Ultimate Warrior right there with him whom the fans were hungry to see hold the title. Bret Hart was the face of the WWE for a while but it didn't take long for him to have to share the spotlight with Shawn Michaels. Steve Austin got huge and along came The Rock. As soon as Austin was hurt Rock had the share the stage with Triple H.
Who does John Cena have? The person that got hot when he did was Batista but thanks to multiple brands they can each have a World title and live in their own little worlds.
The other answer is Triple H but it seems like Hunter and Cena are doing a pretty good job of being injured when the other one is on top. Or Hunter is occupying himself with DX. The last few months have been the only real sustained period of time where both guys are on the same brand and wrestling exclusively as singles competitors looking for the WWE title.
Cena has had long title reigns but haven't they felt forced? Less than halfway through Cena's first long title reign fans almost completely turned on him. Him dropping the title boosted ratings.
I don't buy the "love him or hate him he makes fans react" line. If that was cool then the WWE wouldn't have tried to ignore the boos for so long or have the announcers basically say the fans were wrong for booing Cena. It's only recently that they finally relented and bought into that cliche love/hate garbage.
A great WWE Champ should be measured in his great matches, his great opponents, putting butts in seats and gettings fans to cheer for you to retain/drop the title based on if you're a face/heel.
A long title reign isn't impressive if you're a face and the longer your reign lasts the more the fans hate you. Just ask Diesel.
Cena had some solid match and the fans were very much behind him when his reigns started but he puttered off. That's why I'd rank him around 9 or 10. But he's simply not in the same class as Bret Hart, The Rock, Kurt Angle or even Triple H.
Posted By: Ron Mexico (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:02 PM
I usually hate these "Top Ten" lists but this was researched well, consistent and you argued your points well. My only real disagreement would be not having Hulk at #1 - while Bruno is undoubtedly a legend and should be at #2, Hulk should top this list by a million miles. He is the ULTIMATE WWE Champion really. I mean, how many times did he defend or win that belt at Wrestlemania? He is synonomous with the title.
Posted By: Guest#1241 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:04 PM
HHH definitely should've been in the top 10, an argument could've been made for the Rock being one of the honorable mentions, since his popularity and dominance was never dependant on the title. This being 411 though, I should probably just be glad Chris Benoit wasn't #1.
Posted By: Gothmad (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:08 PM
I don't believe most of the readers here understand the purpose of this column, which is to list wrestlers as champions, not as overall performers. Yes, HBK and UT were very good performers, but for the most part, their championship reigns were non-distinct, either in terms of quality (UT, Rock) or in terms of drawing power (HBK). All of the wrestlers listed in the top 10 list have been important champions in their own right. That is why I don't have much of a beef with Cena's inclusion, as he is a draw (whether the ICW likes it or not). The only major complaint is that Hogan should be # 1. More than anybody else today, Hogan has defined modern wrestling. Along with Vince's promotional skills, Hogan established the WWF as a national promotion, and became the viable top guy to have for network, cable and PPV television exposure.
Posted By: Michael L (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:11 PM
A lot of people on this site are John Cena dick riders. Hilarious. Cena #6 right now I am ROTFLMFAO!!
Posted By: technicalwrestlersrule (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:13 PM
To be fair even tho Taker is a legend hes never had a great title reign so him not been in the top 10 makes sense, theres no way HHH shouldnt be in the top 10 tho, his reign in 2000 is one of the best of all time.
Posted By: jbardo (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Got to love these people who are livid Taker is not in the list ahead of Cena.. seriously Taker has had 4 title runs all generally very short and none of them were partically important or vital in carrying the company... they were more like goodwill gestures.
Cena dominated the wwe title scene for 3 years and was the key figure in the transition from getting over the attitude era to moving into the PG friendly era.... sure most of us are not fans of the PG era however Cena has drawn in a whole other generation of fans. He is the HULK HOGAN of this era.
I'd of put HHH in the list because his runns in 1999/2000 were the peak of success from a creative and fiancial stand point plus his work rate was off the charts during his 3rd run.
My top 10
1) Hogan
2) Bruno
3) Hart
4) Austin
5) HBK
6) The Rock
7) John Cena
8) HHH
9) Kurt Angle
10)Brock Lesnar
Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but HBK would def be on my list. He had so many classics as champ in 1996..
Posted By: Doakes (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Adjusted for inflation, you do realize Bruno headlining MSG like a hundred or so times is as big a feat as most modern Wrestlemanias? WWE has trouble selling out MSG today let alone in the '60s and '70s when wrestling was still a regional act. The later Shea Stadium match against Larry Zbyszko was one of the biggest drawing shows in wrestling's history until it became commonplace for wrestling supercards to draw around 30,000 in the late '90s. Bruno wasn't on top for so long because of a lack of options. He was on top for so long because people continued to pay to see him wrestle. Same as with Hogan. There wasn't really a number two guy because there was no need for one. The 90s was the era that added multiple guys at the top of the card which is why so many are used to it now.
Posted By: Guest#2585 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Great column, everybody's got their opinion. Mine will always be that Stone Cold is number 1.
Posted By: MBD (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:52 PM
great column. wellthought out and explained. the only beef i have is your placement of bob backlund...too high. key in building the 'e, and yes, a great title run, but better than bret hart? column was so good, though, that i'm willing to let it slip. :-)
oh, and to those who made their own list and did not include one wrestler pre-2000 (jake, hhh rulz), you honestly have no clue. do you even realize that if it were not for wrestlers like sammartino, hogan, graham, backlund, morales, etc, wrestling wouldn't be what it is today? if you've never heard of these guys when you are not wrestling fans. go rent a vintage dvd, enjoy, and learn something.
Posted By: quilombo (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 12:53 PM
The Rock doesn't belong in the top ten. don't get me wrong, I am a huge Rock fan and think he is underrated when it comes to the best workers overall BUT he only had one title reign that comes close to being memorable (Survivor Series 1998 to January 1999) - and that's basically it. he just spent more time fighting FOR the belt then actually being the champ and defending it.
Posted By: guy incognito (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 01:03 PM
Anyone who doesn't think or accept the fact that Hulk Hogan is the greatest WWF champion in history is just an ignorant mark who doesn't understand the business of wrestling.
Posted By: Joe Mastronardo (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 01:07 PM
The Real top 10
10. Billy Graham
9. John Cena
8. Shawn Michaels
7. Randy Savage
6. HHH
5. Bret Hart
4. The Rock
3. Bruno Sammartino
2. Steve Austin
1. Hulk Hogan
Posted By: Shark Boy (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 01:25 PM
Top 10 greatest.
1) Stan Stasiak
2) Batista
3) Andre
4) Jericho
5) Ivan Koloff
6) Diesel
7) Ultimate Warrior
8) SID
9) RVD
10) JBL
Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 01:35 PM
Anyone who doesn't think or accept the fact that Hulk Hogan is the greatest WWF champion in history is just an ignorant mark who doesn't understand the business of wrestling.
Posted By: Joe Mastronardo (Guest
bwahahahaha damn man that is some funny shit. the only thing funnier is you on your knees giving hogan a knobjob
Posted By: Guest#7044 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 02:00 PM
I think there is a sense of historical awe with the old school guys that gives their title runs a larger sense of importance now that the WWE title is booked in such an ADD friendly fashion. Bruno Sammartino was the absolute center of the WW(W)F for fifteen years as both the top guy and the champion which just isn't how the promotion works anymore. A booking strategy like that isn't feasible with fifteen ppvs a year and six hours of TV every week. Overexposure necesitates that the belt has to be shifted around more frequently to keep some sense of freshness, which consequently devalues the title. This leaves all of the "great" champions in the past along with the era of tradition.
The closest thing to such a champion in recent history was, in fact, John Cena who managed to become the first centerpiece of the WWE since Steve Austin's heel turn and demotion. Cena's year long title reign injected a sense of stability that was needed, and had he not been injured it could have been a chance to elevate the prestige of the title once more. I'm not a huge fan of Cena's actual ring-work, but I do think another strong run for him would be good for the title. Hopefully enough fresh challengers emerge by then to keep the defenses interesting and we finally get out of this endless Orton/HHH situation.
Posted By: Beard Money (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 02:13 PM
I'm sorry. I'm sure it's a great article, but I lost track of the whole thing once I laid my eyes on Miss Elizabeth in her white dress and gloves. Wow.
Posted By: John (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 02:14 PM
Actually you lost me before I even clicked on this article.
Having John Cena's picture is not good advertisement for your column.
But, I read anyway.
To see UT and HBK as "Honorable Mentions" while, John Cena gets in the list is unbelievable and a complete joke.
John Cena does nothing for the belt, or with the belt.
-Unless you count making it look like a watch that they sell at a gas station on the bad side of Detroit, behind bullet proof glass, of course.
I won't be reading this article anymore.
Because the lack of basic logic.
I also despise Cena and the PG-WWE.
Posted By: DHX (Registered) on July 13, 2009 at 02:46 PM
The fact that 90% of the comments here are related John Cena, just show the impact he has on the wrestling world.
Posted By: MMFF (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 02:51 PM
1)Hulk Hogan
2)Bruno Sammartino
3)Steve Austin
4)Bret Hart
5)Bob Backlund
6)Pedro Morales
7)The Rock
8)Triple H
9)Macho Man Randy Savage
10)Billy Graham
I Think most people will be able to agree with my list. Very Good article though and a good read. Im not angry over Cena being included but I will have to wait and see how histroy will judge him. I think HHH deserves a spot on the list, politics or no politics.
Posted By: Noel Edmonds (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 03:07 PM
Great column! You explained the list's reasoning very well.
Posted By: JDW (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 03:23 PM
" don't believe most of the readers here understand the purpose of this column, which is to list wrestlers as champions, not as overall performers. "
Oh my God...someone actually GOT the point of the article. :) If it were about the best wrestlers to be the champion, then yeah, the list would look totally different. I mean, is John Cena a better worker than, say, Eddie Guerrero was? No, and even the most diehard Cena mark can't argue that. However, Guerrero was a complete bomb as champion, largely because he had no viable contenders besides Angle. How many times did we see Danny Basham for God's sake compete for the title on Smackdown!, or one of the Dudleys?
Posted By: MissyNEVERWearssocksWithShoes (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 03:34 PM
The best WWE Champion was my daddy, Vincent Kennedy Mcmahon!
Posted By: Stephanie Mcmahon (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 03:34 PM
This is somewhat simple:
5) Pedro Morales
4)john Cena
3)Undertaker
2)Batista
1)HHH
end of comments
Posted By: Jake's dad (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 03:39 PM
This column has no business at 411! It is well-reasoned, opinionated--but not for the sake of being controversial--every choice has logical support. It is overwhelmingly grammatically correct. It is supported by evidence. You didn't use expletives either, reflecting a mature writing skill.
This is my favorite column ever at 411.
Posted By: BDC (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 03:58 PM
I don't agree with all of your choices, but I love how you wrote this and make a very good argument for each man. You certainly anticipated all the potential criticisms that you might get for your choices, but I can certainly see how you arrived at your conclusions.
Great column!
Posted By: nwa88 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 03:58 PM
As cool as it is to be knowledgeable about 70s wrestling and champions, they are just not as significant as those who came afterward for the most part. It is downright ridiculous to put sammartino higher than Hogan. Hogan is the icon of wrestling. Without him, the WWF title would probably not be in existence anymore and if it was, it would only be a regional belt. Also, to include Pedro Morales but leave out the Undertaker and HBK is crazy as well. Even at that time, Pedro Morales was seen as a weak champion. When Jim Cornette did the NWA invasion angle back in 98, he made a joke about Morales wrestling Harley Race and said does anyone honestly believe that Morales would stand a snowballs chance in hell against a real champion like Harley Race? Undertaker and HBK are both WWF poster boys. Both have had great championship moments. They should probably be on the list. Pedro should definitely not be on the list.
Posted By: jerry (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 04:03 PM
I'm no John Cena fan by any means (although I admit I drove by the mall to see how many people came out when he had an autograph signing - it was a LONG LINE), but I think the choices were pretty accurate. Love him or hate him, his 3rd reign lasted 380 days (yes, I wikied). There isn't an active wrestler on the roster who's matched that.
Awesome column.
Posted By: Don (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 04:13 PM
The Rock is VIII ?!? well everyone VII and above have been a heel except for the obvious... cough*VI*cough.
Posted By: guest1228 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 04:20 PM
Good list, people may not want to admit it but Cena unlike the others listed below him were not the face of the company. Or in the case of Rock and HBK played second fiddle to more popular stars. Rock was bigger than the title after his second reign, and was used just to elevate the next champ (Angle, HHH, Mankind and Lesnar). Or just to remind people who the top dog was ie Austin
Posted By: K. Bett (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 04:31 PM
Where is Mankind? Several of the guys on this list are under the theme of "carried the torch at a rough time" or "started a new era of success". Mankind's title win over The Rock, which Eric Bischoff famously spoiled on Nitro, turned the Monday Night Wars and ultimately led to the WWF's biggest boom period and the fall of WCW. I could make a strong case that it was the single most influential title change in wrestling history. Based on the criteria used he deserves a place here far more than The Rock. Great job overall on this list.
As for Cena, you can argue he sells tickets and merch. You can also argue that despite being booked as the dominant top face for five years he STILL only gets 30-70% approval from crowds. Those who boo aren't buying his merch, so the "all reactions are good" argument fails. He is the only wrestler in history to be kept on top despite such shaky support. Years of sagging ratings don't support the "as long as they react he's a success" theory. Cena has NEVER drawn the interest of casual fans. His movies were flops and he has no music career.
He's on top simply because Vince trusts him, and that's not the mark of a top champion. He can work given the right opponent, and his heel promos were great. But he was never champ until he became the caricature Vince insists on keeping him, seemingly forever. A character that never evolves combined with the five moves of doom and an endless push equals a failure as champion. No love/hate, just boredom and a desire to see what else is on.
Posted By: Shockmaster (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 04:34 PM
best wwe champion
1.batista - his 8 days reign was better than hogan, rock and austin combined
2. diesel
3. ultimate warrior
4. yokozuna
5. sgt slaughter
Posted By: jake's grandpa (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 04:35 PM
I think people have confused greatest champion with most talented wrestler to have held the belt. Otherwise flair, rvd and angle would all be way higher...
as for worst...
in no particular order
slaughter
vince
stasiak
kane
diesel
sid
iron sheik
big show
batista
and then probably one from warrior, jbl, yoko, andre or edge (king of the hotshot)
Posted By: Jonberg (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 04:36 PM
Is it just me or is hit honorable mentions better than his # 10-6?
Posted By: BobZ (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 04:37 PM
I would take Bruno Sammartino completely off the list, move everyone up one spot, and give HHH number 10. Sammartino doesn't want to be associated with WWE, so don't include him.
Also; he's extremely over-rated.
Posted By: Cactus (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 05:12 PM
For the most part this list is on point.
Posted By: Dwayne (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 05:36 PM
I never think of Undertaker when I think of great champs. He has his own little niche of the WWE, and stays popular without the belt.
Frankly, the belt looks weird on him. Kudos to not including him.
Plus, he sucks at wrestling. I dont know why the IWC has recently fallen in love with him.
Posted By: Guest#0927 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 05:56 PM
FAIL!
Cena over Taker & HBK, c'mon!
Posted By: The Anvil (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 06:04 PM
Great column my man.
Really, REALLY great.
You show a knowledge for the buisness.
Now, normally I post in the comments to point out things about the author.
But this is for the retards (Not all of you, mind you) who are posting the comments.
Granted. When someone writes a list, it's a given that people will disagree.
But don't go on here and fucking bashing him because you dont agree.
Dont call him a bad writer, and just plain fucking dumb because you disagree with him.
That shows such amounts of immaturity it makes me want to give you a bottle of milk.
You disagree? Say what your list will be.
Dont just be like. Fuck Cena! HBK IS LYKE SEW MUCH COOLER.
He's a better wrestler, sure.
How long did HBK hold the title?
Compared to Cena?
Did HBK get THOUSANDS of kids to tune on to watch the WWE.
Yeah, didn't think so.
The honerable mentions just happened to be around and champions in the ATTITUDE ERA.
You can just put everyone who happened to hold the title in the golden era of wrestling on the list.
You can't.
Back when Cena won the title for the first time, I dont care how much anyone denies this, you ALL were cheering for him.
Every single one of you wanted him to win so badly.
He has single handedly garnered so much main-stream attention towards children it's crazy.
He deserves to be on that list as much as anyone else.
As for that.
Thank you for placing Sammartino ahead of Hogan.
Both great champions, but you can't deny that Sammartino was the better CHAMPION.
Posted By: Mike (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 06:23 PM
where's kane?
Posted By: kane (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 06:56 PM
What a joke to rank people that were semi-relevant 30 years ago to the more talented champions of recent years. Nobody alive today remembers Randy Savage or Bruno Sammertino. Hulk Hogan can't even wrestle and I never even heard of Bob Backlund.
Here's the most epic, most unbiased all-time Top Ten greatest champions in this thread so far:
10 CM Punk
9 Eddie Guerrero
8 Stone Cold
7 Undertaker
6 HBK
5 Batista
4 Orton
3 Edge
2 Cena
1 HHH
Posted By: Jake (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 04:45 AM
Mr. Jake, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone at 411wrestling is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Posted By: Martin Lawrence (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 08:50 PM
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The Rock is VIII ?!? well everyone VII and above have been a heel except for the obvious... cough*VI*cough.
Posted By: guest1228 (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 04:20 PM
"
*cough* You forgot about late 2002, you know, when he was feuding with Brock Lesnar and actually got over? *cough* Have some Robotussin...that cough sounds bad.
Posted By: MissyNEVERWearssocksWithShoes (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 08:55 PM
10.Frank Gotch
9. George Hackenschmit
8. Ed "Strangler Lewis
7. Abraham Lincoln (Wrestled a damn bear, I saw it)
6. Dick the Bruiser
5. Lou Thesz
4. Kiler Kowalski
3. Buddy Rogers
2. CM Punk
1. Batista
Posted By: Jake's Great Grandpa (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 09:00 PM
"Back when Cena won the title for the first time, I dont care how much anyone denies this, you ALL were cheering for him."
Careful...the truth generally isn't accepted here. Fact is, when Cena turned heel he was *very* over. Even after he returned to being a face, he was still an IWC darling for a while, until the WWE neutered his promos. Also, remember the IWC generally hates those who become too popular. We all look back at the Rock fondly, but how many people remember how asshats like Hyatte and that racist moron Eric S (not even going to give him the respect of trying to spell his last name correctly) dogged him out and put down anybody who liked him? Same thing will happen with Cena.
Posted By: MissyNEVERWearssocksWithShoes (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 09:03 PM
Great, well-researched column!
You just know that if Cena had not been included, there would have been an equal number of comments saying, "I can't stand the guy, but how can you leave out Cena? The man had a 380 day reign, which is forever in the modern era!" Basically, you can't please everybody; and when it comes to internet wrestling fans, you can't please ANYbody! : )
It's crazy to say Cena doesn't have any competition for the top spot. Mysterio is insanely popular. So is Jeff Hardy. HBK is beloved by almost everyone. Batista is the REAL Superman when he's able to gain some steam and not go down with injury. Then, oh yeah, there's the guy who we all know loves to be in the main event, and has the--ahem--domestic pull to make that happen.
It's also apparent that people are missing the point of the column. You're focusing too much on the individual wrestler, and not his title reign. Example: Angle is certainly a better wrestler, and probably a better entertainer, than Cena. But his title reigns were never anything to write home about. Meanwhile, Cena has had great feuds and matches with Umaga and Edge and HBK and Orton.
And it IS a mistake to sleep on his in-ring skills, might I add. Seems like every year smarks have to say, "Yeah, he had that one MOTYC with fill-in-the-blank (Umaga, Edge, HBK), but other than that he sucks!" Okay, how many MOTYCs has your favorite wrestler had in the past five years?
Posted By: Sam! (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 09:03 PM
I hate the wrestling world we live in when "selling merch" to stupid 10 year old kids is a reason for someone being one of the greatest champs of ALL TIME! I'm not a massive Cena hater, but come on....merchandise isn't what makes a good champion, and halfway through his impressive 9 month title reign, he was repeatedly shit all over, booed and heckled with "you can't wrestle"....i don't understand what made that so successful if people were absolutely sick of him that they erupted for Edge killing his reign and the ratings boosting......
Your reasoning for Cena may be what's great for modern retail sales...but unfortunately, THAT ISN'T WHAT WRESTLING IS
Posted By: Erik (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 09:11 PM
You say 2 of HBK's 3 "lackluster" title reigns brought him down on your list, while you call BOTH of Savages' titles reigns "very successful". You call his second reign successful? He had ONE title defense on PPV and HE LOST!!! Via countout to Warrior, but still he LOST. I love Savage, but I certainly wouldnt call his second reign VERY successful. On the other hand, you look at HBK and the WWF at the time of his reigns. Who was in the WWF at those times that he didn't beat? Diesel, Bulldog, Owen, Vader, Sid, Bret, Undertaker, Yoko. The only guy he didn't beat was Austin. Though HBK's second reign may have been short, how can you PENALIZE a guy for winning the title more than once even IF one of those reigns were short. By that rationale, you should consider Ahmed Johnson a better intercontinental champion than Shawn Michaels because HBK’s second and third reign were forfeited. And we all know that isn’t true. Or maybe Ken Shamrock a better IC champ than Razor Ramon because Razor’s third reign was very short. Come on. Even if a guy has a short, less than stellar reign as champion – that should only ADD to his legacy since he was able to get the title once again and prove he is the best. Not to mention that you have BOB BACKLUND on your list. Talk about one of the WORST and SHORTEST title reigns in history, this guy has to take the cake. If by your scoring model, the worse a title reign is the lower the overall score is, then Bob Backlund doesn’t even make Honorable Mention. His first reign would be all but nullified after his horrible second reign. Hogan’s fourth reign, too, lasted, what, 4 days? Now I’m not saying Hogan or Backlund or Savage shouldn’t be on the list, but you can’t dock HBK (or anyone for that matter) for having a “poor” multiple reign. If that was their only reign (ala Slaughter, Sid) ok that’s fine, but to penalize a guy for taking THAT belt more than once is ridiculous, and also does not ring consistent throughout your article. I know this is your first article, but please God do a little more thinking before posting anything else like this again. To make matters worse, you start out by trying to push this article as something more than an opinion piece while it’s laden with inconsistencies and inequalities. Poor first effort.
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 09:21 PM
I'm the guy that criticized the writer for penalizing for poor multiple reigns. My two cents is that what determines a good champion is:
1) Did they beat the best wrestlers in the WWF at the time of their reign? Or did they only beat "some" of the best wrestlers?
2) Did they hold the title a long amount of time? While it normally is better to have a lengthy reign, it is not always better then multiple reigns that overtime makes the answer to Q#1 "YES". In other words, the amount of time they held the belt is important.
3) Did they WIN their title defenses? Or did they GET BY or RETAIN the title because of a countout, DQ, time limit draw, etc.
The best champions beat ALL of their competition. They do it for a good amount of time and the WIN their matches. Holding the belt is one thing, defending it successfully is another. Everyone falls off the horse once in a while, the best ones get back on and ride it to the top again. IMO with all things considered the 3 best WWF Champion of all time would look like this:
Honorable mention
Stone Cold
3. Bret Hart
2. Shawn Michaels
1. Hulk Hogan
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 09:30 PM
Having John Cena on this list is a disgrace and an insult to the other wrestlers listed.
Posted By: Y2G (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Ric Flair Who?
Posted By: POTTS (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 11:04 PM
"The best champions beat ALL of their competition. They do it for a good amount of time and the WIN their matches. Holding the belt is one thing, defending it successfully is another."
This means Ric Flair was a horrible champion, if that is what you believe
Posted By: Shawn S Lealos (Registered) on July 14, 2009 at 01:08 AM
top 10 wwe champions of all tiME
10. RANDY SAVAGE
9. EDGE
8. BRET HART
7. BRUNO SAMMARTINO
6. KURT ANGLE
5. RANDY ORTON
4. THE ROCK
3. HULK HOGAN
2. TRIPLE H
1. STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN
Posted By: donnie (Guest) on July 14, 2009 at 02:23 AM
It is so obvious that you dinosaurs are jealous because my opinion is far more accurate than any of yours despite my young age. I've seen some clips of old WWE (or WWF or whatever they were called) matches with Randy Savage and Pedro Martinez. It looks crappy and boring and the arenas look completely dark like a graveyard. I can't even sit thru 3 minutes of that boring crap. Your disrespect for today's generation is pathetic but the truth is we're far more intelligent than you guys. Your clouded opinions on wrestling is as relevant as a fleet of obsolete early 90's rental cars that should have been replaced 10 years ago.
Failure to recognize HHH as the #1 all-time great in the biz = senile
Posted By: Jake (Guest) on July 14, 2009 at 02:57 AM
Very well done list.
Would switch Hogan and Bruno from just how Hogan elevated the whole business, but again well done.
Also like how you distinguished Champion from Wrestler. Looking back we can already see Cena deserves to be on the list more than the honorable mentions. You are right how Cena gets a reaction one way or another and has done a lot of his best work as champion (versus Michaels and Undertaker). Angle is good but the limited effect of his defection to TNA shows his limitations as a draw.
Triple H is the only one I have trouble leaving off but was a distinct third fiddle during the attitude era, is good but not overwhelming now.
Perhaps instead of Pedro?
Posted By: Save.Us_Y2J (Guest) on July 14, 2009 at 04:14 AM
How could you NOT put HBK or Taker in your Top 10, and then turn around and rank Bret Hart as high as 5 on your list?!?!
"Hart makes the top five for a number of reasons. As a performer he consistently put on stellar matches with anyone he stepped in the ring with."
More like he consistently put on the SAME match with anyone he stepped in the ring with.
"As a Superstar he may very well have been the most internationally popular wrestler that the WWF has ever had."
How the hell do you figure that? Because he had American AND Canadian fans?!?!
"Most importantly though, Bret Hart was the leader of the WWF's "New Generation.""
Once again I fail to see how you came to that decision.
I would've easily moved Bret much further down the list, included Taker and HBK on the list to replace Morales and Backlund. But other than that, good list with pretty solid information as well. No MAJOR gripes except for the fellating of Bret Hart and the horrible omissions of Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker.
Also, a minor gripe. Your intro mentions how your list is by no means definitive, but then you go on to say Bruno is unquestionably Number One. Small nitpick there, and also keep in mind that Hogan was WWF Champion in it's original glory days, when the WWF was national and becoming international, Bruno was champ when it was more of a territorial championship. That, for me, makes Hogan the greatest WWF Champion of all-time. Just my opinion there.
Good first effort though.
Posted By: Trent (Guest) on July 14, 2009 at 08:47 AM
10.Frank Gotch
9. George Hackenschmit
8. Ed "Strangler Lewis
7. Abraham Lincoln (Wrestled a damn bear, I saw it)
6. Dick the Bruiser
5. Lou Thesz
4. Kiler Kowalski
3. Buddy Rogers
2. CM Punk
1. Batista
Posted By: Jake's Great Grandpa (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 09:00 PM
LOL. That kid's a turd, hope his mommy grounds him and takes away his computer privillages so he can't embarras himself any further.
Posted By: Guest#9890 (Guest) on July 14, 2009 at 10:32 AM
Just to clarify,my Top 10 would've been...
10) Mankind/Mick Foley
9) John Cena
8) Bret "The Hitman" Hart
7) The Undertaker
6) "Macho Man" Randy Savage
5) The Rock
4) Triple H
3) Shawn Michaels
2) "Stone Cold" Steve Austin
1) Hulk Hogan
With honorable mentions going to Bruno, Backlund, and Graham for setting the groundwork for the greatness of the WWF/WWE Title, and then to Randy Orton whose mark on the WWF Title is still under construction.
Posted By: Trent (Guest) on July 14, 2009 at 11:54 AM
some of the comments, especially the "unbiased" variety, are truly sad. after i read thru, i almost think half of you are drones...
EVERY list should include...
10 - the open spot left for Randy Orton
9 - Chris Jericho the first unified champion and a major player for over two or three eras
8 - Shawn Michaels has truly been a showstopper and a main eventer over numerous years
7 - Edge quick rise through the ranks right to the top. Heel and Face champion bc of the ability to play a dynamic character
6 - Bret Hart same sort of list as Edge minus the dynamic character part. But his in ring work is almost perfect. Also could have had many more runs if there werent personal issues with management
5 - Kurt Angle so versitle bc of his talents and accomplishments. at times he wasn't the most liked, but always seemed to have the crowd, eventho it might have been against him.
4 - The Rock most def electrifying. best on mic performances. Face and Heel champ, and did great with both
3 - Bruno Sammartino basically the reason there is THE CHAMP. he did things great, while others were par at best. he held the belt a total of 11 years... crazy
2 - Hulk Hogan made his mark as more than just a wrestler, maybe even more than a champ for a certain period of time. he really was an icon, while dominating the wwf of the 1980s
1 - Stone Cold Steve Austin im not the biggest fan of sc (what?). the man did have 'IT' though, and really put on a show. especially when he had the belt. never knew what was coming next from him. Absolutely made SCSA great!
Exclude Flair from the list, simply bc he made is mark in nwa/wcw, not as an E champ. Exclude HHH as well, only bc he had an inside track the whole time, and hes probably going to be a champ time and time over just bc of that fact. Almost DQ's him. Exclude the Warrior, only a single time champ where the climax of his title reign was the night he won it.
Guys you can argue about are Morales, Backlund, Cena, Taker, and possibly H.
I wish I was a smart mark.
Posted By: fallenhardforROH (Registered) on July 14, 2009 at 03:19 PM
Good argument for Cena to be in the list ahead of guys like HBK, Taker & Trips, as it's a list of who did best with the WWF/E belt, not their whole legacy to the company.
At the end of the day, Cena has had some of the longest reigns in recent times, had compelling feuds with good workers (HHH, Orton, HBK, Edge) and not so good workers (Umaga, Khali) and really seemed an immovable champion in that time - for all I want the likes of Edge & Jericho to bury him - that's just me.
Cena wouldn't come close to a Top 10 Most Greatest WWF/E wrestlers, and would fall behind the likes of HBK, Trips, Taker there. Ballsy choice, well argued. I salute you.
Posted By: Chris Crowing (Guest) on July 14, 2009 at 04:00 PM
It is so obvious that you dinosaurs are jealous because my opinion is far more accurate than any of yours despite my young age. I've seen some clips of old WWE (or WWF or whatever they were called) matches with Randy Savage and Pedro Martinez. It looks crappy and boring and the arenas look completely dark like a graveyard. I can't even sit thru 3 minutes of that boring crap. Your disrespect for today's generation is pathetic but the truth is we're far more intelligent than you guys. Your clouded opinions on wrestling is as relevant as a fleet of obsolete early 90's rental cars that should have been replaced 10 years ago.
Failure to recognize HHH as the #1 all-time great in the biz = senile
Posted By: Jake (Guest) on July 14, 2009 at 02:57 AM
You're trying too hard.
Posted By: Captian Sassypants (Guest) on July 14, 2009 at 05:12 PM
I know there's been a million comments on here, but I'm sure Mr. Peters is pouring over each one since this is the first article he's written.
First, amazing article. If you have any doubts about that, just check out that you have 130+ comments already, not bashing you, but just arguing your list. Just really starting the conversation on this subject (which most people should admit they really didn't care a lot about before reading this) is quite an amazing feat.
Secondly, I think you're list is pretty much bang on. The people who are writing about HBK, Taker or Flair clearly didn't read your whole article to get that it was about who the best champions were, and anyone who knows anything about those three know the first two had their best runs sans title and Flair was WWE champion for two seconds before bolting back to Atlanta.
I can't believe anyone would ever try to argue Macho Man's place here, since his run between WM4 and 5 is still the best title storyline of all time, and his Mania win over Flair is still one of the all time best matches.
That all goes double for John Cena. Love him or hate him, his impact on the championship has been staggering. It would be the equivilant of all the Flair fans in the 80's pissing on the kids who loved Hulk Hogan because he sucked so much. Cena may not be for you, but there's no doubt his legacy as champion is hefty.
I 100% agree with not including HHH, simply because his runs with the World Heavyweight Championship were much better (again, I don't think people really read your full article and got that you're ONLY talking about the WWE Championship and not the Big Gold Belt)
Personally I'd put Bret higher then Backlund since Bret probably had a tougher time getting over the lugs he was saddled with then the vastly superior storytellers of Backlund's day, but realistically their impact was so similar that it doesn't really matter.
As for the #1 spot, my heart will always have Stone Cold in there. But like Backlund and Hart, the impact that Bruno, Austin and Hogan had were so similar that they are more or less tied for the top three and their placement doesn't really matter.
For me Stone Cold was just a katharsis for having endured so many years of wrestling being some side show. His reign as champion helped make wrestling "cool" and there are very few people who could ever claim that.
On the flipside, it can be argued that Hogan's last few championship runs actually helped to wreck all the good work he had done. From the trainwreck that was Wrestlemania 9 to his comeback tour as champion, he's definately put a taint on his legacy to the point where he can't possibly be number one in a list like this.
Finally a knowledgable writer, I can't wait to see what you write next.
Posted By: JP (Guest) on July 14, 2009 at 06:28 PM
Not one mention of the man that unified the titles? Shame on you, but I'm from Canada, what the hell do I know about NASCAR?
Posted By: Squid Vicious (Registered) on July 14, 2009 at 06:42 PM
The fact that 90% of the comments here are related John Cena, just show the impact he has on the wrestling world.
Posted By: MMFF (Guest) on July 13, 2009 at 02:51 PM
Not quite. If he listed Iron Shiek as #1. There would be nothing but Shiek comment.
Posted By: Guest#0815 (Guest) on July 14, 2009 at 09:12 PM
Good list, I think John Cena is a little high. To those idiots who say Bruno isn't number 1, you can borrow my crow bar to pry your heads out of you ass. HHH is number 1? Bruno didn't marry the boss' daughter to get an eight year title reign, he did it with talent, and he has more talent and class in his little finger than these roided up stiffs of today have in their whole bodies.
Posted By: Joey Nic (Guest) on July 14, 2009 at 09:53 PM
"Not one mention of the man that unified the titles? Shame on you, but I'm from Canada, what the hell do I know about NASCAR?
Posted By: Squid Vicious (Registered) on July 14, 2009 at 06:42 PM"
Me too.... Too bad Chris Jericho isn't even originally from Canada, though....
Posted By: I Cried (Guest) on July 14, 2009 at 11:18 PM
To the youngsters bitching about "old guys" like Bruno, Backlund, Superstar, and even Hogan, those were the guys that got us into the 90's. Those four carried the company for 25 years. I like your list. I hate Cena but he has his place on the list. I would have put him lower but that is just because I hate watching him myself. I don't know about your top two. I probably would have switched those two up just because Hogan's reigns were on the national level and Bruno was basically just the northeast. But Good opening column.
Posted By: BK (Guest) on July 15, 2009 at 06:12 PM
Hey you forgot about me!
Posted By: KANE (Guest) on July 16, 2009 at 07:57 PM
Great column, well written and researched and you sure got the debate you were after. 142 comments and counting. I look forward to the next one.
Everyone has their own top ten list, most can't see past John Cena's lack of wrestling ability and will always think that Undertaker's reigns were superior despite the fact that they clearly weren't.
And whoever put CM Punk at number 10, I don't think he's ever held the WWE title, he clearly stated that this was the WWE title only, and the World Heavyweight will be another day - my guess for that one will be Triple H.
My guess for the worst champs top 3.
1. Vince McMahon.
2. Diesel.
3. Sid.
Posted By: Well done (Guest) on July 17, 2009 at 09:49 AM
Cena should NOT be above the rock EVER.
Posted By: jokeman (Guest) on July 20, 2009 at 09:55 AM
Gotta love them Cena marks uh Cena had the belt a year that means he was great (I seriously nearly spit out laughing reading that argument.) I'm notw offically calling JBL the greatest smackdown champion of all time because on smackdown JBL held the title longer then anyone else in having it for a full year. Cena is a draw during a weak period of business no one cares in the mainstream about the business anymore because MMA and other sports have caught on fire and no one cares about wrestling except when a celeberty like Trump, Mayweather, or even Seth Green show up and its used as a joke. Bret Hart by the way did a lot of talk shows when he was champion too and his title reigns didn't last a year because there weren't three different brands going on and people wanted to see change. The comparison of Cena to other champions is just hilarious.
Posted By: Guest#2763 (Guest) on July 20, 2009 at 02:51 PM
I have been a wrestling fan since 1974 and still watch from time to time. I appreciate the young wrestlers and think some do a very good job. However, for those younger guys writing commments(I'm 44), please appreciate the effect that Bob Backlund had on the WWF/E.
Before PPV and wrestlemania, wrestling relied on house shows to create revenue. I live in DC, and the places to go in the area were the Capital Centre or the Baltimore Civiv Center. The Cap Center held about 19000 and the Civic Center about 14000. I went to about 15 shows over the course of his title reign, and all were all sell-outs. Whether he was going against Jimmy Snuka, Big John Studd, or one of the Moondogs(yes the Civic Center was sold out for a Backlund-Moondog Spot Main Event on a SATURDAY in 1981).
So as far as putting fannies in the seats, he did it. I don't know how he did it, but he did. Yes towards the end, it was obvious a change was needed, but during his heydey, he was the best. Not the most charasmatic, or best built. But he made wrestling look and feel "real." And as you can see with this new crop of wrestlers, that's hard to do.
Couple of other notes: As much as I dislike HHH, he should be on the list and not Cena. I open myself to all hate mail and criticism.
Posted By: dc fan (Guest) on November 02, 2009 at 12:31 PM