411's Instant Access 08.23.09: WWE SummerSlam 2009
Posted by Scott Slimmer on 08.23.2009
Go big or go home... or in Jeff Hardy's case, do both.
Hey kids, I'm Scott, and this is 411's Instant Access: WWE SummerSlam 2009. 411's Instant Access is the companion piece to 411 Live Pay-Per-View Coverage and features immediate reaction to wrestling pay-per-views. The focus in Instant Access is on first thoughts and initial reactions instead of play-by-play with the goal of providing you with instant access to onetwo THREE writers' thoughts on the show. That's right, Instant Access will now feature multiple analysts for all WWE pay-per-views. Here's the team for SummerSlam:
Okay kids, enough with the explanations. Let's get to the wrestling.
Intercontinental Championship Match Rey Mysterio (Champion) vs. Dolph Ziggler Match Result: Rey Mysterio defeats Dolph Ziggler with a top rope hurricanrana. Match Length: 12:22 Match Analysis: Slimmer: I really expected Dolph Ziggler to pick up the win and pick up the gold, but I'm also more than happy to see Rey Mysterio's title reign continue for another month. Mysterio has been on fire on pay-per-view this year, and once again he was spectacular in this match. Seriously, with all due respect to Christopher Daniels, Mysterio may have just hit the best… moonsault… ever… But while Mysterio may have been the star of this match, Ziggler certainly wasn't far behind. He looked good in the ring, and much to my surprise, he even got a nice little "Let's Go Ziggler!" chant from the crowd. Ziggler's stock is definitely on the rise, and there doesn't seem to be anywhere for him to go that doesn't involve the Intercontinental Championship. So look for this feud to continue for at least three more weeks, and look for Ziggler to be wearing gold sooner rather than later. Lansdell: Rey Mysterio is seemingly close to the Jericho level, having great matches with everyone. Again here he and Ziggler put on a great show of counters, strong offence and resilience. The result, however...well, it reeks of politics. Rey doesn't want to drop the belt so quickly, so Ziggler suffers as a result. He did look good in defeat but I think that midcard title could do wonders for him. McNew: Always a solid choice for the opener to go with Rey to get the crowd riled up. This was no different. Even though it was your pretty standard Rey match that's all you want in that spot. Not sure if they can squeeze another one out of this one after Rey wins two months in a row, but I'd still like to see Ziggler get a run with that belt soon. Crowd seemed to be behind him a bit tonight. Good signs for Dolph. Match Rating: Slimmer: ***½ Lansdell: ***½ McNew: *** Average Match Rating: ***¼
MVP vs. Jack Swagger Match Result: MVP defeats Jack Swagger with the Playmaker. Match Length: 6:20 Match Analysis: Slimmer: I suppose this was a solid enough match, but at the same time it felt more than a bit underwhelming. The promos leading up to this match were quite good and really showcased the heat between MVP and Swagger, but that heat failed to come across in the ring. For the most part, MVP and Swagger just seemed to be going through the motions without taking the time to remember to tell a story. This match certainly didn't seem to resolve anything between MVP and Swagger, but this is the kind of feud that could rather easily go unresolved without anyone really noticing. So MVP and Swagger could easily continue their feud for another month, but Swagger could also easily transition to a feud with Kofi Kingston for the Intercontinental Championship. Lansdell: This has been one of the least-cared-about feuds on TV. They put so little effort into building it, and even less effort into making the Raw fans care about Swagger. MVP WAS over, now...not so much. The match was OK, but it was really hurt by the fans just not caring at all. McNew: This felt like pretty much your standard 10 PM EST Raw match. Minus the commercial break. I don't figure they're done with each other yet, and since the big shows like SummerSlam are usually about the faces going over this one is no surprise. Perfectly acceptable undercard match. Match Rating: Slimmer: **½ Lansdell: **¼ McNew: **½ Average Match Rating: **½
Unified Tag Team Championship Match Chris Jericho & The Big Show (Champions) vs. Cryme Tyme Match Result: Chris Jericho defeats JTG after Big Show hit JTG with the Knockout Punch. Match Length: 9:41 Match Analysis: Slimmer: I didn't really expect Cryme Tyme to win this match, and if I'm being honest, I also didn't expect them to look as good as they did. Yes, they lost the match, but they looked great in the process. JTG flew around the ring and kept up with Chris Jericho throughout the match, but it was Shad Gaspard that impressed me the most. Shad did a great job of focusing on his size and strength when he was in the ring with the smaller Chris Jericho and then transitioning to a focus on his speed and agility when he was in the ring with the larger Big Show. That kind of innate awareness of in-ring psychology is a huge plus for any wrestler and bodes well for Shad's future. However, for the moment, I would assume that Jericho & Big Show are going to move on to a new set of challengers, so Cryme Tyme will just have to bide their time and wait for their next shot at the gold. Lansdell: Well, let me start by pointing out that new JeriShow music is better than old JeriShow music. This match was also better than it should have been, with even the parts with Show in control not dragging too much. Yes Jericho did his normal awesome work but Cryme Tyme had a lot to do with the pacing and success of this match, especially JTG. That boy will go far. As is often the case with tag teams of dominant singles guys, I can't really see another team who can take the titles from JeriShow, unless DX want them. Therefore I hope Cryme Tyme gets a rematch and wins the belts to ice the push. McNew: I'm beginning to wonder if Cryme Tyme, the longest tenured proper tag team in WWE, will ever actually be Tag Team Champions. I didn't think they'd win here, so I'm not complaining. Just thinking out loud. Match was quite good, as Chris Jericho again proves he is what he says he is. The Best in the World at what he does. Match Rating: Slimmer: *** Lansdell: *** McNew: ***¼ Average Match Rating: ***
The Great Khali vs. Kane Match Result: Kane defeats The Great Khali with a running DDT. Match Length: 5:54 Match Analysis: Slimmer: Okay, confession time. I've never seen Khali / Kane from WrestleMania 23. I mean, I watched the show. I saw Michaels / Cena and Taker / Batista and MITB III. But no joke, I was literally in the bathroom for the entirety of the Khali / Kane match. And so in some ways, this was a fresh match for me. And as strange as it may sound, I was actually impressed. Now look, I'm not saying this was a great match. Hell, I'm not even saying it was a good match. I'm just saying that it was a lot like the recent G. I. Joe movie in that it sucked far less than I had anticipated. And for that reason alone, I sort of enjoyed it. Khali actually looked better than he has in quite some time, and Kane seemed uncharacteristically motivated. But there is no earthly reason for this feud to continue, so let's hope Khali and Kane go their separate ways. Unless, of course, Khali wants and eye for an eye and decides to kidnap and torture Kane's brother… Lansdell: I honestly expected this to be ass wrapped in a light ass pastry and deep-fried in ass until golden brown, served on a bed of ass with ass sauce. As it happens, they held the ass sauce and served it on a bed of "Wait, this isn't horrible!" Now I'll admit this wasn't a technical classic of epic proportions or even a hard-hitting slugfest, but both men worked their socks off and I liked the finish sequence. Does that mean it gets a good rating? Well, if I thought this was the end of the feud I MIGHT go a little higher but... McNew: Well that was all kinds of awful. Not sure why I would have expected anything less. I don't know who thought we were clamoring for the rematch of their epic WrestleMania 23 encounter, but I guess Kane had to get his win back. Meh. Match Rating: Slimmer: ** Lansdell: *½ McNew: DUD Average Match Rating: *¼
D-Generation X vs. Legacy Match Result: Shawn Michaels defeats Cody Rhodes with Sweet Chin Music. Match Length: 19:56 Match Analysis: Slimmer: I know how this story goes. I've seen it all before. DX wins a match, and people start bitching and moaning about how DX are playing politics and trying to hold on to their spot and holding down the younger talent. So fine. Go ahead. Bitch and moan if you want. But know that if you do, then you are a freaking moron. Yes, Legacy lost this match, but that means nothing compared to the fact that they looked spectacular in the process. Not only did Rhodes & DiBiase get the chance to really show what they had in the ring, but the booking allowed them to look as though they really had DX's number. In fact, when you look back on the match, it almost seems as though Legacy was the better team and that DX's win was a bit of fluke. And because Legacy looked so good for so much of the match, I would be shocked if this feud didn't continue for at least another month. Because another month's worth of matches this good could launch Legacy into the stratosphere for good. Lansdell: I believe my esteemed colleagues may be on LSD. The match was good, not great, and I'll agree that DX gave the kids a lot. However, the surprise of that factor doesn't make the match a whole lot better. There wasn't really anything here that made the match feel special, they just worked a standard match. If anything I'd say that Legacy seemed almost lost with so much time to put offence in, and didn't have enough to fill it. Or more likely, they got stage fright and couldn't think of anything to do with it. As veterans HHH and HBK should have talked them through that and to an extent they did, but not enough to make it a stellar match. I hope the feud isn't over because on the strength of that, I think they can do better next month with less pressure and more experience under their belts. I'm not for one second calling this a bad match, because it was very good and did wonders for Legacy, I just don't think it was THAT good. McNew: The main fear going into this match was everyone thinking Legacy was going to get Spirit Squaded. Those fears proved unfounded. While DX came out victorious as expected it came with great resistance. Great job by all involved in a shockingly good match. Legacy leaves SummerSlam in much better shape than they entered, and that's all you can ask. Match Rating: Slimmer: **** Lansdell: ***½ McNew: ****¼ Average Match Rating: ****
ECW Championship Match Christian (Champion) vs. William Regal Match Result: Christian defeats William Regal with the Kill Switch. Match Length: 0:06 (yes, that's right, six freaking seconds) Match Analysis: Slimmer: Well, that was… um… Chavotastic. What the hell was the point? And yes, smart ass, I do know that the point was to put over Regal's little stable of beasts, but isn't that why ECW has a weekly television program? And would that post-match beat-down have been any less effective if it had been preceded by an eight minute match? I think not. But maybe I should reserve judgment until SummerSlam is over. I mean, if this match means that Hardy / Punk gets a little more time, then I won't complain. But if it means that Orton / Cena gets a little more time, then I might not be as forgiving. Lansdell: Hey WWE? You know that time you spent showing off all your celeb buddies who came because they got tickets free in their baskets at the Teen Choice awards? And all that time you spent with Nancy O'Dell? Yeah, it could have gone here. Kozlov and Jackson are beasts though. I really don't get why they had to do this on PPV, but I guess...wait, no I don't guess. It sucked and I really wanted to see that match. McNew: Obviously they were running short on time, so Regal gets caught in a fluke and they'll probably do it on ECW in a week or two. If time is a concern I'd much prefer them go this route, and just do the match later. By comparison this happened at The Bash with Cena and Miz, and they had a 4 minute match that did nothing but make Miz look like a fool because it was booked like an actual match and they didn't have time to stretch it out. Match Rating: Slimmer: DUD Lansdell: DUD McNew: DUD Average Match Rating: DUD
WWE Championship Match Randy Orton (Champion) vs. John Cena Match Result: Randy Orton defeats John Cena with the RKO. Match Length: 19:19… ish (I stopped my clock after the first disqualification and then again after the rope-assisted three count. So the actual time is probably closer to 21:00.) Match Analysis: Slimmer: So I was ready to go off on a rant about how the problem with Randy Orton is that he has a gimmick that is usually reserved for far less talented in-ring performers. I was ready to discuss what a shame it is that Randy Orton is being held back by being forced into a slow, plodding, boring in-ring style. I was ready to examine how telling it is that Orton can still generate some level of support from the fans despite his crippling gimmick. And then all of that fine, fine analysis was rendered completely moot by one of the most inexplicable series of booking decisions that I've ever seen. I mean, okay, we've seen the disqualification – restart – count out – restart series in the past (hey Shawn, Vader says hi!), but then we moved on to Classic Dusty Finish #7 when the match was restarted after the rope-assisted three count. So yeah, that was all strange. But things really went to a whole new level of bizarre with the maybe shoot / maybe work run-in. I agree with McNew that the run-in was most likely a work, but it looked great. In fact, it was so convincing that I'm sure the IWC will be arguing it's legitimacy for the next 24 hours at the very least. But at any rate, Cena is surely going to be unhappy that he lost under such dubious circumstances, so look for this feud to continue at least until Breaking Point. Which sort of begs the question… does Randy Orton even have a submission finisher? Lansdell: I have a feeling that I am one of a very small group of people who didn't hate this match. Sure Lillian fucked everything up, and sure the action was slow, but I liked the story they were telling and the finish with the worked ring invasion was good. What? Of course it was a work, if a real fan ever made it that far Cena would have kicked his face in, and they for sure would not have shown security taking him up the ramp. I am hearing rumours it was Joe Hennig or Brett DiBiase, but time will tell. I'll give them points for creativity even if the execution suffered. Of course we'll get a rematch and I expect Cena wins at Breaking Point, but by then it will be almost 2 full years since he was champ so we can't complain too much. McNew: I'm totally at a loss how to rate this match. It was very good until the TNAesque finish, but then it became an epic train wreck. From the amazing Lillian botch, to the false finishes, to the fan run in which I think was a very well executed work. Just plain odd. If this is truly Lillian's last night she went out as only she can. Somewhere Vince Russo watched this and said, "Damn that was confusing." Match Rating: Slimmer: ** Lansdell: **½ McNew: **½ Average Match Rating: **¼
TLC Match for the World Heavyweight Championship Jeff Hardy (Champion) vs. CM Punk Match Result: CM Punk retrieves the belt to win the match. Match Length: 21:31 Match Analysis: Slimmer: The beauty of this match was that it was all about brutality instead of overly complicated, intricate spots. Yes, of course there were big spots, but they never seemed contrived or telegraphed. And in between the big spots, there were moments of glorious brutality, most of which involved chairs being hurtled at an alarmingly high velocity. But in many ways this match was all about the absolutely EPIC Swanton Bomb spot at the end. The images of Jeff Hardy perched high above the crowd will be staples on highlight reels for years to come, and watching Jeff refuse medical attention in order to continue the match was a nice homage to Mankind's similarly valiant effort in his classic Hell in a Cell match against the Undertaker. And speaking of the Dead Man, it seems as if he's returned just in time to fill the Smackdown main event face void created by Jeff Hardy's imminent departure. And the thought of CM Punk vs. The Undertaker in a submission match at next month's Breaking Point makes me… very happy… Lansdell: I'm really torn here. I'm obviously happy that Punk is once again champion, and I'm looking forward to the program with Taker. Rather, I'm looking forward to seeing how they avoid making Punk look stupid against Taker. However, this was far from the best TLC match I've seen. There was no psychology at all, with neither man going to work on any body part to prevent climbing, and even the mini-story of Jeff going for a lot of high-risk didn't really play out as the main story of the match. I think the ending would have worked better had Punk got the title while Jeff was strapped to the stretcher, sort of a "See what living in the moment gets you?", and Jeff crawling back in only to take a tame (by his standards) bump off the ladder was anti-climactic. That said they did some great stuff here, even if they didn't sell half of it for long enough, and it was pulse-pounding. McNew: Absolutely amazing. Everything you could ask for in one of these matches. The bar was set high for these two but they cleared it with ease. Jeff pulled out all the stops in what looks to be his swan song. Punk regains the World Title, and immediately moves to what should be a great program with Taker. In a world where HBK and Taker didn't happen this would hands down be the match of the year. Match Rating: Slimmer: ****½ Lansdell: ***¾ McNew: ****¾ Average Match Rating: ****¼
Final Thoughts
Match of the Night: Slimmer: Jeff Hardy vs. CM Punk (****)
I just sort of assumed that this was going to be the Match of the Night, and the only point when I began to doubt that assumption was when D-Generation X and Legacy far exceeded my expectations for their match. But never fear, Jeff Hardy and CM Punk delivered in every way possible, including one spot for the history books. Lansdell: Jeff Hardy vs. CM Punk (***¾)
Not what I was hoping for, but still very good and enough to take home the honours this month. McNew: Jeff Hardy vs. CM Punk (****¾)
Can't say much more than I already did. They pulled out all the stops and gave us the first true "Holy Shit" spot in a long time. Easy choice.
Trash of the Night: Slimmer: Christian vs. William Regal (DUD)
Some people are going to argue that Khali / Kane is the Trash of the Night, but as I said earlier, that match far exceeded my expectations, and at least both guys got the chance to put forth a little effort. On the other hand, Christian and Regal weren't even given the chance to put on a match, much less to try to have a good match. Don't get me wrong – absolutely none of the blame should be put on Christian or Regal. In fact, I'm guessing that the two of them could have a great match together. Let's just hope we actually get the chance to see that match someday. Lansdell: Christian vs. William Regal (DUD)
Why even have it on the PPV? McNew: The Great Khali vs. Kane (DUD)
Regal-Christian was disappointing, but it took up 10 seconds. This was absolutely a hideous match that took several minutes of my life that I will never be able to get back. Kane can be decent when put with the right opponent. Khali is not that opponent
Final Analysis: Slimmer: Okay, we started with eight matches. Let's throw out the ECW Championship match because, um, length matters, and let's throw out the WWE Championship match because, um, I have absolutely no idea what actually happened there. So that leaves us with six matches that ranged from passable to epic, and that's pretty damn good for a WWE pay-per-view these days. But in the end, this entire show was all about Jeff Hardy saying good-bye to WWE, at least for the moment. If you ever wondered why we love this business, Jeff Hardy reminded us tonight. In almost every other profession known to man, you more or less are expected to be useless and unproductive on your last day of work. You just put forth a half-assed effort and count the minutes until you can tell them all to kiss your ass. But tonight we saw a man say good-bye in a totally different way. Jeff Hardy made the decision to leave WWE, but clearly he didn't care if he walked out under his own power or if he had to be wheeled out on a stretcher. All he cared about was that we remembered him. Mission accomplished, Jeff. Thanks for the memories. Lansdell: My enjoyment of this PPV was hurt not just by some subpar matches, but also the overall crappiness of all the announcers, JR and Cole especially. Lillian was in her own world tonight too, and it hurt the WWE title match. There were some very good matches on this card, but the combination of JR eating a thesaurus and using half the words wrong (carcinogenic rules?? A cavalcade of moves??), Cole and King sounding like they were on Percocet and Lillian being Lillian almost dragged it down to average. For a show to truly stand out it needs the whole package, and although the wrestling quality was higher than normal... the rest wasn't. McNew: Great show all around. The opener was very good. DX vs. Legacy was stunningly great as HBK and HHH went out of their way to make Cody and Ted look like a million bucks. Orton and Cena was quite the clusterfuck, but it was different and entertaining in a trainwreck quite away. And finally the main event delivered HUGE providing a legitimate match of the year contender. This is right there with No Way Out for PPV of the year.
Verdict: Slimmer: ***½ Lansdell: *** McNew: **** Average Verdict: ***½
"So fine. Go ahead. Bitch and moan if you want. But know that if you do, then you are a freaking moron."
HEAR HEAR! Thank you Slimmer.
I don't know about the TLC as a MOTYC...didn't excite me as much as it seems to have you guys...but it was still very good and the show as a whole was extremely strong.
Posted By: The Glide (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 12:08 AM
So all of you basically saying you were barely entertained with Cena/Orton? Really? I hate the whole Cena/HHH/Orton ppv dominance as much as th next guy, but the match started slow and by the end brought back that attitude era like over-booking but in the good sense. Especially the "fan" which had me until they showed the shot of him being escorted out. And the crowd, who was awesome tonight, ate it all up..reminded me of Vader/Shawn. I thought this was the best PPV in a looong time. Then again all I like to do is be entertained and I felt that way so meh, to each their own.
Posted By: Legacy (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 12:18 AM
Thank you guys for giving it a Biased review. I did enjoy the show as well. And if people would stop bitching and moaning like the IWC does. Then they would enjoy it alot more. But hey they will probally just trash me for this. Because that's what they will do.
Posted By: Guest#0312 (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 12:22 AM
Awesome PPV. I think you were all on the mark with your ratings. Definitely one of the best of the year.
Posted By: Tolkoto (Registered) on August 24, 2009 at 12:27 AM
Only Csonka, Lansdell and Dunn should be allowed to star rate matches on this site.
Posted By: Guest#6589 (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 12:38 AM
Awesome PPV. I think you were all on the mark with your ratings. Definitely one of the best of the year.
Posted By: Tolkoto (Registered) on August 24, 2009 at 12:27 AM
How can they all be on the mark if they didn't all give the same ratings?
Posted By: Guest#5780 (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 12:41 AM
really good summerslam but orton/cena took this event from being really really good to just good dont know what that was glad to see taker back and hats off to dx,legacy,crymetyme,dolph.and rey mestrio as well jericho as they of course along with hrdy/punk which almost goes without saying
Posted By: richard (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 12:45 AM
Lansdell is spot on with the TLC match.
Posted By: Guest#0886 (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 12:45 AM
did you guys watch the same PPV as I did? You think DX actually made Legacy look good???? Aside from that awful finish of shawn and cody being unable to stand up alone, and then out of nowhere a sweet chin music... I mean come on. The match was average at best. If you think Cody Rhodes will still be employed by the WWE come the Rumble you might be living in a dream world.
Posted By: Justin (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 12:45 AM
I think your forgot a couple dozen stars for the Orton and Cena match just for the wtfness and the fact that Orton pinned Cena clean while still acting like an awesome heel.
Posted By: Big Lantern Ghost (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 12:47 AM
Time to sort out the messes...but on the other hand, Matt Hardy can enlist Cryme Tyme to help him fight the Hart Dynasty. the two teams have heat from fighting to the tag title shot to begin with, remember?
Punk vs. Undertaker should be amazing, but hopefully it will lead to Punk vs. Morrison, and (maybe?) eventually AmDrag showing up down the line. Bring Evan Bourne over from Raw. He's a much better fit for Smackdown's style anyway.
Posted By: Bman (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 12:54 AM
Cena vs RKO was kinda disjoincted but WAY BETTER than you MARKS rated it....And not only did Cena jobbed CLEAN to RKO tonight but he did it...TWICE ! (first pinfall with the ropes and second as clean as a whistle courtesy of a normal RKO).
The main event was the conclusion of the story between Meth Hardy and CM Punk and the RIGHT Man,the one who wrestles with his mind "clean" won.
Taker coming out of the ring to choke the hell out of the new champ was perfect and sent the crowd home HAPPY.
SummerSlam >>> Hard (Failed) Justice
Bar NONE
Posted By: WWE >>> TNA (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 12:55 AM
i had high hopes for mvp swagga and mvp mailed it in i dont know if it was just me but i watched the replay and thats the way it looks like swagga was trying but mvp was just mailing it in and after a great promo that set up the match great and the we got that
Posted By: Guest#3764 (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 01:17 AM
I was speaking of averages. It's not like they ever differed much, anyways. A single star difference at most.
Posted By: Tolkoto (Registered) on August 24, 2009 at 01:18 AM
The difference between Cena-Orton and the way TNA does things is that WWE does not do this stuff as frequently, therefore it is more memorable and special. I LOVED the whackiness of that finish and WWE managed to even make it more interesting by adding the third restart and possibly that "fan" run in. Let's face it, I think most of us expected it to end after the count out, so they were smart enough to mix it up even more. Do I want something like that every month? No. But considering Cena-Orton didn't have much juice heading into SummerSlam (although it did have surprisingly good heat) making it different was a very good thing.
Posted By: Master of the Big Money (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 01:20 AM
I agree with Slimmer's assessment of Jeff saying goodbye. All contrroversies aside, Jeff is a great guy. Had a chance to hang out with him after Armageddon '07 and he was nothing but class. I really hope he gets his life sorted out and returns in better shape. Still, he gave us a classic mark out moment, and he'll be remembered for it and more.
Now I'm interested to see how Punk can make Taker submit next month..that's the real challenge.
Posted By: Skiddy (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 01:24 AM
Really enjoyed this show. I actually enjoy having dx back. Their entrance was cool. Thought their match was good. Also enjoyed cena/orton, crowd was really into it. Liked the main event. I actually liked the whole show. I watch wrestling to be entertained and tonight was very entertaining in my view.
Posted By: Guest#5345 (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 01:41 AM
Good points, guys. It's nice to see 3 wrestling fans that still appreciate the effort and skill of Rey Mysterio. I realize it's the hip thing to say 'Rey is overrated' nowadays but I still think he's one of the last great talents. I also agree with Chris on that Rey is right around Jericho's league when it comes to quality matches.
Posted By: Grrr (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 01:41 AM
I didn't watch the PPV, I usually won't watch WWE PPVs and instead watch UFC PPVs where the better talent/younger guys tend to win. Somehow I doubt HBK/HHH made Legacy look good just from reading the results, looks like a clean loss to me. Hell, if that's making someone look good, Cena deserves an award since he always comes back and wins his matches cleanly.
Posted By: Guest#0628 (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 01:49 AM
My ratings are better:
Mysterio vs. Ziggler: ****
MVP vs. Swagger: **
Jericho/Show vs. Cryme Tyme: ***
Kane vs. Khali: *
DX vs. Legacy: *** 1/4
Christian vs. Regal: DUD
Orton vs. Cena: ***
Jeff Hardy vs. CM Punk: *** 1/2
Posted By: WMD (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 01:49 AM
did you guys watch the same PPV as I did? You think DX actually made Legacy look good???? Aside from that awful finish of shawn and cody being unable to stand up alone, and then out of nowhere a sweet chin music... I mean come on. The match was average at best. If you think Cody Rhodes will still be employed by the WWE come the Rumble you might be living in a dream world.
Posted By: Justin (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 12:45 AM
Um..were u even watching? It was a good if not great match, they actually made us believe legacy could win, if there is a way to lose but still come out as winner this was it, ziggler should have won the IC belt but now Im actually intrigued about his future, Punk vs Hardy was very good but not great, the swanton is going to be a highlight for years, grat summerslam give it a 8/10, only real dissapointment is how they treat the ECW title.
Posted By: ss kicked ass! (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 02:03 AM
I barely even watch WWE anymore, but what the hell happened to Regal's push? What a bunch of morons.
Posted By: James (Registered) (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 02:18 AM
that's it,until orton loses the title i'm boycotting raw!!
Posted By: dave (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 03:01 AM
"I expect Cena wins at Breaking Point, but by then it will be almost 2 full years since he was champ so we can't complain too much."
Didn't Cena have two World Title reigns only earlier this year?
Posted By: Guest#7752 (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 03:22 AM
Good show overall, I was pleasently surprised.
Mysterio vs. Ziggler: ***1/4
MVP vs. Swagger: **
Jericho/Show vs. Cryme Tyme: **3/4
Kane vs. Khali: DUD
DX vs. Legacy: ***1/2
Christian vs. Regal: DUD
Orton vs. Cena: **3/4
Jeff Hardy vs. CM Punk: ****
Posted By: Pat (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 03:43 AM
"does Randy Orton even have a submission finisher?"
yes Slimmer, it's called CHINLOCK
Posted By: tmw (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 05:05 AM
"...but by then it will be almost 2 full years since he was champ so we can't complain too much."
Yeah, its not like he won the World Title at Wrestlemania this year or anything.
And Slimmer, make up your mind. You have a different rating for the TLC match in the final thoughts section as opposed to the match analysis section.
Posted By: Loki (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 07:32 AM
Sounds like a missed a good show, also along as hes booked strong working with Taker will do nothing but wonders for Punk right now, i think they can deliver a good submission style match at the next ppv, tho not sure how Punk can over in that type of match.
Posted By: jbardo (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 08:03 AM
Nice work guys. Very balanced and kudos to Slimmer for pointing out the way DX and JeriShow put over Legacy and Cryme Tyme in their respective matches. The writers proved you can make someone look strong without a win in Legacy and I thought Cryme Tyme certainly didn't embarrass themselves in their match.
Posted By: OldSkool (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 08:08 AM
"Of course we'll get a rematch and I expect Cena wins at Breaking Point, but by then it will be almost 2 full years since he was champ so we can't complain too much."
Didnt he win the championship v Jericho at Survivor Series last November?
Sorry to nit pick but just though I should point it out...
Posted By: Come back Edge! (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 08:09 AM
Oh, what a surprise! A complete burial of Cryme Time by Jerishow. The match just reeked of politics. Why couldn't they just give the young up and comers the title? Cryme Time need the title to earn some credibility, but the two old-timers have to cling to their spot and keep the belts. Jerishow didn't need the win, but their huge egos and backstage politicking obviously has more say than what I, internet douche, want. Enjoy your future endeavours Cryme Time, you just got BERRIED!! DUD.
Wait, what? They're on Smackdown? They're not married to a McMahon? Oh... MOTN!! ****1/2!
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 08:25 AM
DX shouldn't have to go "out of their way" to make Legacy look like a Million Bucks...
It's a wrestlers job to make his opponent look good, unless there are other circumstances...
Triple H and HBK (when he is teaming with Triple H) believe that it is their right to destroy and bury who they are facing...
Triple H is the worst of this...
So nobody should be giving them credit for them going out of their way....
It's their fucking job!!!
Posted By: Kirk (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 08:30 AM
Why is everyone creaming themselves to see Undertaker bury Punk? Does anyone really think it will be anything different than that?
Posted By: Guest#4759 (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 08:58 AM
I'm shocked at the ratings for Cena/Orton. This is the best one on one match these two have ever had, and the crazy storytelling of the finale was awesome. They kept playing against Orton's strengths as a heel and all the shortcuts he takes, giving him no easy way out and he still walked out with the belt. I loved it. A **** match at least, and one of the best and most unpredictable matches of the whole year. Rest of the show was good as well, except for the ECW and Kane/Khali matches. No Way Out in February might have been better, but this is way up there.
Posted By: Se7en17 (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 09:50 AM
Wasn't as impressed as others with Ziggler's last attempt to win gold but I thought him and cryme tyme looked good here while the Legacy looked like they were completely out of their depth and their match with DX was boring and way too long. Take 10 minutes off that snooze fest, give it to Regal and Christian and we could have had a decent match. Hell take off another 5 from it or the Kane/Khali match and give that to Punk vs Hardy and it could have been even better than it was. Overall enjoyable show with some good wrestling in it, particularly the main event.
Posted By: 17 (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 10:05 AM
You're a angry little man, Mr Slimmer. In a few of your thoughts you were already defensive before anyone said anything.
1. Bitch and moan if you want. But know that if you do, then you are a freaking moron
2. And yes, smart ass, I do know that the point was to put over Regal's little stable of beasts
3.So I was ready to go off on a rant
Remember it's entertainment, the rest of your peers seem to rate the show without going full blown mark on it.
Posted By: JcJames (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 10:41 AM
My only true disappointment with the show was that Ziggler should have won what was a hot opener. When the crowd is chanting for the heel, it's time to give a push.
Kane/Khali was bad but we knew it would be. MVP/Swagger needed more heat, but that was hard to get after that great opener.
DX/Legacy and Jerishow/Cryme Time were both great matches, and I think gave quite a rub to the up and coming tag teams. I mean, did anyone think the young guys would win this? DX and Jerishow have like a combined 900 titles between them, and they can all still go. I expect them to fued tonight on RAW (courtesy of Mayweather).
The Orton/Cena finish was original, and the entire group I watched with could not figure out at first whether that was a real fan or a plant/developmental. Turns out it was the latter of the two. I look forward to Legacy growing, they need to be established as a DOMINANT group, which they've yet to be.
And Punk/Hardy was unbelievable enough, that Swanton was just SICK, but when the lights went out, my entire group marked out like crazy. That was one of the best finishes of a PPV EVER. Punk sold everything so well, from the look of concern when the lights first flickered a bit, to his utter shock and look of pissing his pants when he realized that Taker, not Jeff, was below him. just AWESOME.
Posted By: Brian (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Slimmer - Randy Orton does know some submission moves. There's not been an orton match that hasnt been filled with headlocks lol
Posted By: rorster1986 (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 11:28 AM
NEW WWE Champion, Randy Orton!
Posted By: Chris (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Why is everyone creaming themselves to see Undertaker bury Punk? Does anyone really think it will be anything different than that?
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Maybe just maybe they want Punk to look good in this fued because hes getting over as a good heel & putting him in there with Taker will be a big rub?
If Punk loses to Taker at the next ppv i will agree with you but i honestly think he will get a good run with it.
Posted By: jbardo (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 11:54 AM
"Of course we'll get a rematch and I expect Cena wins at Breaking Point, but by then it will be almost 2 full years since he was champ so we can't complain too much."
Are you serious?
Is....is he serious?
Posted By: Guest#0744 (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Slimmer, just explain to me what DX winning actually achieved for the progression of RAW and the WWE? If they'd lost, what difference would it have made to them? None. They won, and how has it benefitted anyone?! It was just totally unnecessary for them to win that match in any context.
Posted By: Guest#1248 (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 12:15 PM
wheres scott keith when you need him for a dose of reality...these guys overrate everything in this column so ive come to except it, but mcnew gushing about the hardy punk match makes me wonder...it was a 3 star match give them 3.5 for hardy take that insane bump if you want...but to gush about this match is lunacy...there was no flow whatsoever to the match, just set up spot do spot lay around, set up next spot...the spots werent even that impressive besides hardys swanton with the refs assisting by holding the ladder for a weird so of ref helps face not kill himself visual...but then that just made the end even more anticlimatic than it already was...there are so many ladder matches that are twice as good as this one or more that the wwe used to put out...hell, this is hardys third best ladder match at summerslam behind tlc (which i also think is slightly overrated) and his match with rvd (which would of been the sweetest ending to a ladder match in the wwe if rvd had connected with his spinning wheel kick from the top to dislodge a hanging jeff from the belt as planned)...I mean the superplex onto the ladder looked ridiculously painful but honestly that and the swanton were it and the match just plodded along with no direction at all...
Rey vs Ziggler was real solid and dx vs legacy was pretty great...but that was it...as a whole this show is a thumbs in the middle..sadly wrestling quality has gone downward in the last year and especially the last 3 or 4 months without hbk and taker to carry ppvs....with hbk tied up with hhh it kind of takes away some more steam to what should of been a comeback and title push that hbk deserves...hmmm wonder if hhh knew that as well...oh well...
Posted By: b (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 12:30 PM
You know what is ridiculous? If this had been a TNA ppv, you all would have tore it to shreds, but since the show was run by Vince's company, its a good ppv. and McNew calling it a "TNAesque" finish? pretty sure I haven't seen TNA use the same bullshit finishes over and over again, like McMahon does with the "Montreal Screwjob" finish. But don't feel bad guys, cause all the other clowns posting they agree with you about how good this show was, are the same way. It's all good as long as WWE does it, if TNA does it, its horrible. Quit being sheep.
Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 02:04 PM
Of course we'll get a rematch and I expect Cena wins at Breaking Point, but by then it will be almost 2 full years since he was champ so we can't complain too much.
Dude has been champ twice in the last 12 months...even a casual fan knows that. What are the qualifications to write for this site?
Posted By: Guest#5759 (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 02:41 PM
Can we just do away with bogus star ratings once and for all, people get so worked up over 1/4 * that they think a match did/ didnt deserve they dont even bother talking about the matches at the second biggest PPV of the year on a forum that's supposed to be exactly for that.
So I'll do my part:
Mysterio v. Ziggler- Soon as ya saw this was the opener, ya knew the result. No big loss for Zigg here as he's got enough going for him storyline wise w/ Maria that he's still relevant and hung in there w/ Rey well enough ya know he's not a joke.
Swagger v. MVP- Due to Raw's mandated policy of even steven booking to ensure no midcarders get over from a sustained push MVP wins, they split wins for another month or two and both move on to something else. Lather, rinse, repeat.
CT v. Jerishow- Fun match the Jericho -Show pairing is made to look like a well oiled unit noone can stop now, and between Shaq and this Cryme Tyme finally have credibility as more than a novelty act.
Khali v. Kane- It was what it was, not as bad as it could've been but didn't surprise anyone either. Get ready for the bi-annual Kane push
DX v. Legacy- Well duh. due to this being Shawn's first match back and the fact DX have new glowsticks to sell this wasn't in question and in somebody's assbackwards logic this gives Legacy a rub just because they were allowed to grace the ring for more than 5 minutes with the almighty DX. Whatever.
Christian v. Regal- took me longer to write this sentence than watch that match. I have no idea where they're going with this.
Cena v. Orton- Meh, it was definiteley solid, just didn't have the fresh matchup feel to it. I was shocked to see Orton retain. Cooky shenanigans that affect match results are fine in moderate doses so no harm no foul as far as I'm concerned.
Hardy v. Punk The end result seemed so unquestioned (Punk wins Taker comes out and looks scary) that It kinda took away from the enjoyment of the match. But hey, Hardy left on a good note, there's been a bunch better TLC matches but this was entertaining. And if somebody had told me six years ago that CM Punk would be feuding with the Undertaker for the World Heavyweight championship I would've had them commited.
Solid enough show, It was just kind of there, and the only real big moment-Punk winning was negated soon after. Forgettable but watchable is my final verdict.
Posted By: Martin Lawrence (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 04:45 PM
Vince Russo watched this and said, "Damn that was confusing."
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If that match confused you, then you are a moron. Even with Lillian's bad announcing, it was very easy to follow ... AND ... the internet needs to GET OVER ITSELF and admit that the "overbooking" was the best part of that match.
Posted By: MDK (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 05:10 PM
Gee. Why build a great feud with CM Punk and John Morrison. Let's have the Undertaker pull his old act. WWE have booked themselves into a corner here. Since Punk came to the WWE, he has looked WEAK ASS!!! And now the're putting him up against probably THE most dominant superstar in WWE. Sorry! Don't buy it! Punk is not Main Event material IF they want the Undertaker to be in the main event. Smackdown six looks to lose Jeff Hardy and exchange we get Undertaker, who will work few dates and destroy everyone. It's not that he WON'T put anyone over, but the SD main event scene is Rey, Punk, Morrison, Ziggler... None of them are viable threads to Taker.
Posted By: ThomasHoffmann (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 05:13 PM
I wonder how many of you people in the comments are saying "this PPV sucked" without even seeing it? This was a great PPV that elevated 6 superstars (Ziggler, Cryme Tyme, Legacy, CM Punk)
Posted By: King Tony (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 08:32 PM
If that match confused you, then you are a moron. Even with Lillian's bad announcing, it was very easy to follow ... AND ... the internet needs to GET OVER ITSELF and admit that the "overbooking" was the best part of that match.
Posted By: MDK (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 05:10 PM
Nah. People who follow wrestling get it, but new fans or casuals would have been confused by the announcing mistakes.
Also, the match cooled down after the antics. It was a decent idea and the "fan" run-in was well executed, it just didn't quite work. They worked hard, and tried to come up with something different, but saying it was well executed is bollocks. I bought the ppv and could feel and hear how it was before the first dq. Maybe I'm just old fashioned and am not keen on re-telling how Orton is a "slithery viper" that'll do anything to keep the championship on ppv, because I consider establishing the character as tv's job to make me buy the ppv.
Posted By: Guest#7220 (Guest) on August 24, 2009 at 09:08 PM
DX vs Legacy was dissapointing but I should have expected that - Rhodes and Dibiase just aren't that good in the ring.
So now WWE wants to copy TNA! WTF!
Mysterio/Ziggler and Punk/Hardy saved what was a very dull card.
Posted By: JAK (Guest) on August 26, 2009 at 08:04 AM
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