Your News, My Views 9.01.09: The ‘Surprise, I’m Back’ Edition
Posted by Larry Csonka on 09.01.2009
411’s Larry Csonka returns for an MIA Jeff Small to discuss Jeff Hardy’s departure, Rey’s disappointing failure, Ric Flair being a deadbeat, positives about TNA, Danielson leaving ROH, ROH money problems, and a special lecture to those that think they are above “THE IWC”.
-This week in Your News, My Views…
Rebecca Knox Welcomes You…
Jeff Hardy: Goodbye, Farewell, Amen
Rey Mysterio: Bad Timing
Ric Flair: Deadbeat
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TNA: Some Positives
Bryan Danielson: The Death Of The Dragon, The Death Of ROH?
The Short Essay
The Beautiful Sendoff!
REBECCA KNOX WELCOMES YOU~!
Jeff Hardy: Goodbye, Farewell, Amen
Back in April, near the end of the month, the first reports of Jeff Hardy wanting to leave the WWE started to come out. it is a simple story really, Jeff wanted time off of the road. He wanted to rest his body, but more importantly, he just wanted to live life on his own terms. Right away people were down on that, because WWE offered Hardy a one-year deal with the hopes of signing him to that, and then working on a longer-term contract. But Jeff refused those deals, he just didn't want them. His deal was to end in June/July some time, but the company was working hard to get him to stay until Summerslam, especially with Edge down and Taker needed until the end of August to recover.
So Jeff stayed, and instead of being half assed about things, like many would, I saw a guy that was dedicated to his job and work as hard as he could. He worked hard in the feud with Matt, although that one just didn't click, again. But once it came to the CM Punk feud, I feel that we got to see the best Jeff Hardy that we have ever seen. Sure his promos still aren't very good, but what he said was true, he let his life be put out there in public, and he was the one guy that could really help the "REAL" CM Punk get over in the WWE. Punk has always been called "straight edge" since coming to WWE, but it didn't mean jack shit because it was never done right. I said for a long time that if they ever wanted to have CM Punk get over as CM PUNK, that they had to have him feud with someone like Jeff so that they could use his past to allow Punk to have the proper material. They did that, and it worked VERY well. In the course of the feud, they hade some very good matches…
So in the end, Jeff went out and did business the right way. He stayed a little longer than needed, he allowed his personal life to be used in the angle, he did the job to Punk and not only that, instead of a tearful goodbye, Punk kicked his ass on the way out. Jeff Hardy left as a true professional, and CM Punk is now looked at as a real main event guy. Jeff will be welcomed back in WWE for doing what he did, and had a taylor made feud with Punk all set to go. I don't thing that this could have gone any better for the company. Well, Hardy could have given a firm return date, but other than that, perfect.
I appreciate what Jeff Hardy did.
The funny thing is that I have not been the world's biggest Jeff Hardy fan. When he got booted from the E the first time for not going to rehab, I didn't shed a tear, because it was his own damn fault. I was happy when he went to TNA, because I felt that it could have been good for TNA. But then he fucked them repeatedly, barely ever tried and was a complete waste. He then came back to WWE and looked good, but then got suspended not once, but two times. It just seemed as if he did not learn his lesson as he would miss a Summerslam and WM due to the suspensions. He is irresponsible with the gifts that he has been given, in my opinion, and that is a shame.
When it was all over, Matt Hardy posted a blog on his brother finishing up, which has actually been removed from WWE.com. Matt had an interesting thing to say at one point…
Matt Hardy: For any of those "know it all guys" of the IWC that don't respect Jeff Hardy-you're all hypocritical ****es. Period. Jeff made one of your favorites, CM Punk, a legitimate main-eventer on Jeff's way out the door. So maybe you can at least find respect in that fact.
Hey Matt, I appreciate you defending your brother, but fuck you. Do not tell me or anyone else who to respect. While I will agree that Jeff did a lot to help CM Punk, let us not forget that the other guy has to pull his own weight, and Punk's promos carried the feud, Jeff putting him over in great matches was the final ingredient that he needed. You think that you know the fans so well, but the truth is that the only fans you know are the fat ass scrapple-eating chicks that constantly tell you that you are THE BEST! Here is something, get off your brother's balls and let him speak for himself if he wants. The fact is that a lot of people, including this Jeff Hardy "hater" do appreciate him, I just don't respect his personal choices, and that is my right. Good work ruining a good thing Matt, go back to dreaming that you are as over as little brother.
Oh but I'm an IWC Jackass that doesn't get it…
Rey Mysterio: Bad Timing
On Thursday, things were winding down, I was eating some dinner, and came to check out the old news front, when WWE.com had the following posted…
In accordance with WWE's Wellness Program, effective Wednesday, September 2, Oscar Gutierrez (Rey Mysterio) is suspended for 30 days for a violation of the company's policy.
I found this interesting on many levels. Usually in this kind of situation, where a guy has a title, they would wait until AFTER he drops the strap to announce things. That is how they have done it in the past. I wondered if this was a miscommunication, because the above message was an edited one. The date was added in after the fact, so that they could have him at the tapings. WWE and Rey have been having an interesting relationship this year. From his contract negotiations, which were long and he almost didn't re-sign, to the fact that he has been complaining that he wanted a long IC Title run, and campaigned NOT to drop the title to Ziggler at the last TWO PPVs. That's right, he refused both times. So when he came back positive for a Wellness failure, you could imagine how pissed Vince was up at old Titan Tower.
Rey didn't make things better with the company as Rey told Mexican newspaper Record that his suspension was for a drug he was using for his knee and his arm (looks like a pain medication at this point). He said he has a prescription for the drug, but that because he was on vacation and then had to go to the UK to promote Summerslam, he wasn't told about the test failure until Wednesday and was supposedly supposed to provide the prescription on Thursday. WWE was pissed that he did the interview, because all interviews have to be approved, so he is doing himself no favors.
RED FLAG PEOPLE
This is where I go from thinking innocent mistake to BULLSHIT.
#1. Under the WWE wellness policy, the doctor in charge for the policy is to have a copy of EVERY prescription that you are on. That way if it pops up on the test, you should be fine. If the doctor didn't have a copy, then that is Mysterio's fault.
#2. We live in 2009. Call the doctor, have him fax and or email and or call the doctor in charge and discuss the prescription with him. If it is a legal prescription. WWE isn't going to randomly suspend Rey Mysterio without giving him proper time to produce this, he is a cash cow for them, he isn't Charlie Hass.
#3. If it is a pain medication as has been discussed, he could have been popped for having TOO MUCH in his system, which once again, is HIS fault.
In my opinion, the facts look to be completely against Rey here, and he needs to own up to things before it gets worse.
The other thing to consider is this. Rey Mysterio is the ONE GUY specifically marketed towards children in WWE these days. His merchandize is designed for kids, the WWE Kids Magazine has a ton of Rey stuff in it, hell his ring entrance is filled with Rey "connecting" with kids as they touch masks. The suspension combined with the drama with management could be a bad sign for Rey, and could hurt their marketing towards kids, which in turn will hurt Rey's royalty checks.
Ric Flair: Deadbeat
They say that your heroes or the people you look up to and or idolize are always the ones that disappoint you the most. I have found that to be true on many occasions. One time, back in the day, after an event I was dining with one of the greatest tag teams of all time. Names not mentioned here. As we were finishing, one man dismissed himself as I sat with the other man. He left to go do a few lines of cocaine off of the hood of his rental car. Geoff, Cook and Chris "The Gun" know who I am talking about.
Now I think most everyone knows that I am a huge Ric Flair fan, and that opening has to do with the fact that Ric Flair is back in the wrestling news, and it is not for good things. First of all, Ric Flair still has not paid back the money advanced to him by Ring of Honor for his role as ROH Ambassador. The money was paid to him, but he pulled out of the role back in May. Flair thought he would be back with WWE and left ROH TV. There is no excuse for him not paying the company back by now and there is another group that is claiming that Flair owes them money which he has yet to pay back. Unfortunately, it looks like SLICK RIC is a deadbeat right now.
Flair has fired the Gillespie Agency as his representation, and when that happened, the proposed film about his life went out the window. His new management team apparently made outrageous demands, and blew off meetings with many noteworthy Hollywood screenwriters. All of this led to the company that was financing the project to back out. he may be Ric Flair, but there is a proper way to go about business, and it appears as if he has no clue how to do that. Bu what should we expect, this is a man that is famous for his problems with money, yet tried to open a finance company. Yes, that failed as well.
The sad thing is that WWE was very generous with him, and wanted him to come back in a non-wrestling role as the GM of Smackdown for a reported $500,000 a year. He would have basically had a job for life. Unfortunately his ego would not allow that because he demanded that he be allowed to wrestle, something WWE wanted no part of.
The well seems to be drying up for Flair, due to lack of interest and due to his shitty business skills. Flair is banking on his new North Carolina Lottery gig, which begins on September 22nd. While he is still a legend in the Carolinas, but that will only go so far. Alimony payments, along with legal fees for Reid and the fact that he still lives life as RIC FLAIR in his prime instead of 60-year old Richard Morgan Fliehr don't make budgeting an easy affair.
They say that your heroes or the people you look up to and or idolize are always the ones that disappoint you the most. Ric Flair may be one of if not the greatest professional wrestlers ever, but as a man, he ha s a lot of growing up to do.
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As per usual, there seems to be a lot of negativity on TNA these days. Some of the TNA defenders think that it is just hate, but that is not true. I mean, we all know that Victory Road was a steaming pile of shit, that many times the TV show is completely unfocused, and that stupidity still runs wild, like the Cody Deaner shit. But, as I sit back as more of an observer these days, I will admit, there are some good things going on these days that should be discussed and praised. I want to discuss three areas of TNA that I am currently enjoying…
Building Stars: Over the past two months, it seems as if there is a new focus on building stars. Now, we may not exactly agree on WHO they are building in some aspect, but they are actually doing this. And not in typical TNA fashion where they do something for a week or two and back off. They seem committed to building guys up right now, and I will pick out four of them right now.
Matt Morgan: Matt Morgan's story is that of potential. We have heard about it for years, and right now, TNA is giving him the chance to show if he has it or not. He is involved with the MEM, and will be in another PPV main event this month. I am still torn on Matt Morgan, he does have size and potential, but has yet to fully show it. But they have the right idea.
Hernandez: The TEX MEX FUCKING T REX is back from his neck injury, and they are building him up, albeit slowly. He has been on a tear since coming back, beating Samoa Joe and getting his briefcase for the title shot back, which are good things. They have slightly cooled him off with the World Elite deal, but the effort is obviously there.
Bobby Lashley: I know that many are not fans of Bobby Lashley, but the fact is that they have brought him into the company, so they have to use him. Right now they are doing a fine job of featuring him as a superstar of wrestling and MMA, and that is the right way to go. Bobby Lashley is certainly no Brock Lesnar in wrestling or MMA, and lacks the super star charisma, but so far, they could be doing a worse job with him. At the PPV, he needs to run through Rhino like a bad turkey wrap from a gas station at 3am.
Abyss: Abyss has been up and down the card since his debut with TNA, but the facts are that he delivers in the big matches. Right now they seem to be working to get him a new credibility with a pairing with Foley and feud with Nash. While the match will not be pretty, I feel that they have the right idea with him, and hope that they follow through with him.
The Knockouts: When Gail Kim and Scott D'Amore left TNA, there was a serious drop off in the quality of the TNA Knockouts division. Once the best division in the company had fallen, but now, they are back on the rise, and I for one could not be happier. Some new talent, the return of D'Amore and the Knockout tag titles seem to have things interesting again. Yes, the shit with Deaner and ODB really hurt things, but overall there is some good…
* Awesome Kong – The monster
* Tara - The veteran
* Taylor Wilde – Cute baby face
* Sarita – Lucha chick
* Daffney – Zombie hot
* Hamada – Simply awesome
* Alissa Flash – The future legend
* Angelina Love and Velvet Sky – The perfect bitch duo
I love the knockouts roster, because besides having some GREAT wrestlers (Kong, Flash, Hamada, Sarita, Wilde) they have such diverse personalities, which is something that they actually work on. I think that the tag titles, while NOT needed, COULD be a good thing for them, because some of the ladies that would never be in the main title mix, but have talent, will be able to shine. The ladies have a history of bringing ratings to the company, and I think with the new additions and renewed focus, they will continue to do that.
New Referee Power: One thing that the Impact program has been pushing the last 2 weeks is the new referee initiative. I like to call this the NO RUN IN RULE! The things that always annoy me about TNA are the constant run ins and or over booking of matches. Finally, after years, I think someone has been listening, because the change is refreshing. I hope that they keep this up, because it will help make things better.
Bryan Danielson: The Death Of The Dragon, The Death Of ROH?
* Danielson to WWE: In a move that I think a lot of people saw coming, Bryan Danielson has signed with the WWE. When word broke that he was not signing a new ROH contract, I think that most figured he would end up in the more financially stable WWE or even TNA. Danielson is 28 years old, and has been wrestling for 10-years now. He has put his body through a lot now, and it appears as if he has made the decision to make some money while he can, and you really can't blame him. For years Danielson has been called "The Best In The World", and I know some asshole will come in here and say that he can't be the best because he hasn't been with WWE, but that is wrong. The facts are that for about the last five years, Bryan Danielson has put together a portfolio of matches that cannot be matched. He is the best, he is the American Dragon, but I can't help to think that when he gets to the "E", that we will see the death of "The American Dragon", and see the birth of "Generic Named Jobber #2". Danielson is not the kind of guy that WWE usually goes for. He isn't flashy, he isn't huge, he isn't tan and he is not known for his promos. He is just a great professional wrestler. Some are hoping that he can become another CM Punk, coming in with little to no change, but I am just not sure. I wish him the best of luck, and I hope that he is happy with his decision. As a fan of Danielson, I will be there and support him, but I will not get my hopes up in regards to seeing "The American Dragon" I know and love.
* BUT HOW WILL ROH SURVIVE? That seems to be the big question. Bryan Danielson is a legend in terms of ROH, you cannot question that. ROH has been able to survive losing guys like Joe in the past, and normally I would say that the company will survive, but there are signs that they are in trouble.
* HDNet shopping TV around: The good news is that HDNet is shopping the TV show around to international outlets. He best, and easiest thing that they can do it to improve cash flow in the company. The one reason that TNA has been able to make money is due to the international distribution of Impact and Xplosion. Once you get a deal or two in place, it is like a domino effect, and the deals will keep coming. If ROH can get some of these deals done, then they will be in good shape. Distributing the shows internationally is almost no work and no cost. And they need to do this, because of the next three areas I will discuss…
* DVD sales down: DVD sales are down for ROH. Well, to be honest with you, so are DVD Sales for WWE, TNA and just about everyone. It isn't quality, but the economy. And a bad economy will hurt a small company like ROH faster than a big company like WWE, and that is the case here. That is likely the reason that ROH has been looking to focus on the TV product more than the DVD product. With the news that HDNet is shopping the TV product, and the fact that there will be more revenue form the TV, it makes sense.
* People being asked to drive to shows: In another cost cutting measure, a number of talents have been asked to drive long distances instead of being flown into TV tapings and other events as of late. It seems like a simple cost cutting measure, but asking a guy like Jimmy Rave to drive from Georgia to Philadelphia for TV tapings sounds pretty shitty to me. But the ROH guys, to some degree are like the old ECW guys, and are doing these things to help out for now. But how long will they be willing to do that?
* Checks bouncing: Also, over the last few weeks it has been reported that a number of checks bounced, which would make one think that the bank account getting low. I do not know any other way to out it, but when checks start bounding, that is NEVER a good thing. I am sure that there are some excuses, but when checks do the bouncy dance, bad times kids. The good news is that Cary Silkin has made good on all of the checks, but the guys that got bad checks cannot be happy about this.
* The Death Of ROH?: I am not trying to paint the picture that ROH is done, but I think that we have to face facts here. They dropped PPV, they aren't locking guys up with contracts as they were, they are cutting costs, are down on DVD sales, and have now bounced some checks. I am not saying that they are done, but I have to say, that ROH is on very shaky ground these days. I hope that they can get the TV show picked up in other countries, because if that happens, they will be stabilized and can work on building from there. But if they cannot get some international distribution, or perhaps HDNet buys into them, I hate to say, but I think that it is only a matter of time before the doors would close. I hope that I am wrong, because I think that we need as many companies as possible, but the facts do not look good.
~Short Essay~ THE SOAPBOX
Now let me start off by saying that this is not something that everyone needs to read. Some of you are very calm and conduct yourselves in the proper way. You make good comments backed up with fact or solid opinion and you do so in a polite fashion. If you are one of these people then you can skip right over this part of the column and continue to have a nice day. But if you are not one of these people, if you are one of those that are here to constantly insult everyone and throw around insults, maybe you need to read this because, well, you have no clue what you are talking about.
I see it everyday as I approve comments, insults and phrases thrown around and I laugh because some of the stuff people say is hilarious. Why is it so funny to me? Because they are making fun of themselves! Let's see here:
You are such a stupid mark… Oh really now? Let me tell you something "Mr. Superiority," at one time or another; we were ALL marks! Me, you, Ashish, Scooter Keith, JD Dunn, the geek behind you in the Computer lab, all MARKS to the highest degree. Mark isn't a bad thing, somewhere along the line it became a bad work among wrestling fans. I freely admit that I "mark" for Curry Man and his wacky dance, I "mark" for Speed Muscle and I "mark" for the Rock. It is NOT a bad thing. Sometimes people are a bit gullible, and they are being the original definition of "mark," but there is NOTHING wrong with that. You can make fun of the "marks" all you want, but they are likely having more fun than you are.
You damn smarks… Oh really now? Let me tell you something again there "Mr. Superiority," you are a fucking "smark" as well! "Smark" is the "smart mark," the person that follows the business, that reads the dirt sheets, that reads this website and that is reading this column. You come on here with your holier than thou attitude and try to condemn these so called "smarks" when in reality you are condemning yourself. And there is NOTHING wrong with being a "smark" as long as you are having fun. If you enjoy breaking down the product and reading the sheets and all of that shit, then good for you. Be a fan the way YOU want to be a fan, and have fun.
You assholes in the IWC… Once again I have to give this speech. This is likely the dumbest insult I see from day to day on this website. If you are on the internet, visiting wrestling website, reading about anything wrestling related, are a member of a wrestling based forum and are on 411 leaving a comment, YOU my friend are a member of the IWC. THE INTERNET WRESTLING COMMUNITY! Once again you have needlessly insulted yourself instead of having a sensible and calm discussion.
Now am I trying to control your opinion? Hell no. If you disagree with me, please voice it because I love a good discussion. If you think my writing sucks, then tell me that. If you think I am wrong about something tell me. If you hate me, fucking tell me because I do NOT care! But do so with some control so that you do not look like an idiot. The facts are that if YOU are watching wrestling, visiting this site and are reading this, you ARE a MARK you ARE a SMARK and you ARE a member of the IWC; and there is nothing wrong with that. The bottom line is this; enjoy wrestling YOUR way. Have spirited discussions with other fans as often as possible. But don't be an asshole, that's my job.
Matt does have one good point. You IWC dipshits know absolutely NOTHING about the business of professional wrestling. Don't stick your nose where it doesn't belong. Fucking marks.
Posted By: Crazy (Guest) on August 31, 2009 at 11:10 PM
"Hey Matt, I appreciate you defending your brother, but fuck you. Do not tell me or anyone else who to respect. While I will agree that Jeff did a lot to help CM Punk, let us not forget that the other guy has to pull his own weight, and Punk's promos carried the feud, Jeff putting him over in great matches was the final ingredient that he needed. You think that you know the fans so well, but the truth is that the only fans you know are the fat ass scrapple-eating chicks that constantly tell you that you are THE BEST! Here is something, get off your brother's balls and let him speak for himself if he wants. The fact is that a lot of people, including this Jeff Hardy "hater" do appreciate him, I just don't respect his personal choices, and that is my right. Good work ruining a good thing Matt, go back to dreaming that you are as over as little brother.
Oh but I'm an IWC Jackass that doesn't get it…"
Vintage CSONKA!
Posted By: Michael Cole (Guest) on August 31, 2009 at 11:11 PM
great tag encounter with cocaine? why am i all of a sudden humming rule britannia?
Posted By: harley r (Guest) on August 31, 2009 at 11:13 PM
Thank you I have missed the column. I have been in MMA asking for it back and it has happened. I totally agree with you on Matt Hardy. He is always out there trying to right every little thing and if you disagree with him then you are an asshole or something else. Jeff screwed up a good opportunity the first time by getting suspended before WM 24. But he came back and put on good matches and for that I am happy. IF you want to do drugs then you do it on your own time not while you are employed by a company with enough pressure from everyone to clean up the business.
I tend to believe anybody who says but it's not my fault is a liar. I like Rey but I don't believe him. With the money he has made it is real easy to forge a prescription or get anything you want illegally. I didn't feel bad for Jeff and I don't feel bad for Rey.
Posted By: Kyle (Guest) on August 31, 2009 at 11:29 PM
All hail Larry!
I have definitely missed this column
Posted By: Tom Z (Guest) on August 31, 2009 at 11:35 PM
yup, it's the bulldogs he's talking about
Posted By: Jibba Jabba (Guest) on August 31, 2009 at 11:42 PM
"Matt does have one good point. You IWC dipshits know absolutely NOTHING about the business of professional wrestling. Don't stick your nose where it doesn't belong. Fucking marks."
Posted By: Crazy (Guest) on August 31, 2009 at 11:10 PM
^ Obviously didn't read the short essay about marks, smarks and the IWC.
Posted By: SAVE_BEAR.729 (Registered) on August 31, 2009 at 11:58 PM
God bless you for doing this column.
Posted By: Guest#2128 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 12:15 AM
It could just as easily be the Roadies.
Posted By: Guest#2099 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 12:16 AM
Two things about the sendoff:
1) Melina is the epitomy of a Butterface
2) Anyone else think mickie looked a little pudgy on raw?
Posted By: Guest#1248 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 12:17 AM
... Or even the foundation... If you believe the Ultimate Warriors stories about Neidhart.
Posted By: Guest#2280 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 12:18 AM
Gdamn, I miss this column! Come back, Csonka!
Posted By: Essinestro (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 12:18 AM
Great to see you back Larry, It sucked when you left, although small did a good job in your place. Is this a permanent return or just a one shot deal? Also, you need to update the photos, I can think of some good miss brooks tna locker room photos that showed up recently that would make for a superb sendoff! Welcome back!
Posted By: Guest#7192 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 12:25 AM
Larry,
I admit that I was lukewarm on your writing towards the end of your writing run here (is this a one shot deal?), but this column was good.
Thanks for both defending and setting us (the IWC) straight, dude.
Posted By: The Other Ryan (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 12:28 AM
I love you Larry for your comments about Matt and Jeff.
So true.
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 12:36 AM
I think you could give Matt Hardy a break. He's defending his brother, which surely you can understand. And as for you disaproving of his personal choices in life...that does reek of sanctimonious bullshit.
I don't want to start a debate about legalizing certain substances, but anybody who has no problem with a guy downing a six-pack, but screams in horror when somebody ingests another substance with a "similar" affect is childish and immature. Just because something is illegal or against a corporations policy does not make it immoral.
Keep up the great work
Posted By: Ronny (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 12:36 AM
"Hey Matt, I appreciate you defending your brother, but fuck you. Do not tell me or anyone else who to respect. While I will agree that Jeff did a lot to help CM Punk, let us not forget that the other guy has to pull his own weight, and Punk's promos carried the feud, Jeff putting him over in great matches was the final ingredient that he needed. You think that you know the fans so well, but the truth is that the only fans you know are the fat ass scrapple-eating chicks that constantly tell you that you are THE BEST! Here is something, get off your brother's balls and let him speak for himself if he wants. The fact is that a lot of people, including this Jeff Hardy "hater" do appreciate him, I just don't respect his personal choices, and that is my right. Good work ruining a good thing Matt, go back to dreaming that you are as over as little brother.
Oh but I'm an IWC Jackass that doesn't get it…"
GAME, SET and MOTHERFUCKING MATCH - Csonka.
Posted By: SU_RKO (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 12:49 AM
tonight, guys like Darth Mortis (yeah, that's actually his name here in the IWC).... Brad B, & IWC=Douches (all pretty much the same guy).... are clutching their pillows (if not biting them...) a tad tighter now that they know Csonka is watching!!
there is room for intelligent debate here, 5 star is proof of that! .... I don't even know or care exactly what is a SMARK but I kind of know what a mark is, and I mark for quite a few stars in wrestling, it's the point and what generates bizzness!
good comeback! .... AND THANKS for posting the IWC rules and regulations!! NOW they KNOW!!! recognize! they probably won't.....
Posted By: oilrat (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 12:52 AM
You can't IWC Me.
Posted By: John Cena (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 12:53 AM
Damn you Csonka you ripped me off with the Assholes in the IWC segment,but as you are easily my favorite writer here, that is an easy one to forgive.
That said,thank you for the column.
On Matt? i am a fan and a big one,but dude mow your own lawn broham your last brush with the ME sucked balls(not from the mic side,as matt has the tools and the skill,but you look like a geriatric IBS sufferer when you run,i think a change up in your in ring style,maybe knee brace's ala Steve austin.
Posted By: Showster (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 01:08 AM
So you're totally getting a stick up your ass about Matt's comments too huh? Do you guys not get that he isn't bitching about the entire IWC, just the know-it-all smarks who have never step foot in a ring yet think they know more about the business than an established talent like Matt Hardy? Oh, shit, I just described most of the ITG "smark" commenters on this site. Way to jump on the Matt-hate bandwagon there Larry. I'm not delusional enough to think that you care if some random indy-wrestler/comment poster that you've never met like me respects you or not(unlike you and other people's attitudes toward this business that you are "fans" of), but I did lose a great deal of respect for you upon seeing that section of your column. It totally soured me on the rest of it actually. The only thing you didn't do is call him "Fatt Hardy," so kudos for that I guess. Matt Hardy has so many of you pegged but you can't admit it. Just listen to his commentary along with Jeff and Shane Helms during the Omega match on the Hardy Boyz DVD. Most of you would probably get all pissy about that too, but I found it hilarious just how much Matt "gets it." You guys call him a bitch and make fun of him for "whining on the internet" when that is what most of you do everytime your fingers touch a keyboard. Get off of your own balls and stop being so sensitive everytime someone like Matt Hardy or Mick Foley totally calls you out on your ridiculous attitudes toward the business.
Posted By: SeanAltly (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 01:08 AM
Excellent column. Commentators who act like their above "the IWC" are so irritating.
Posted By: Guest#8278 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 01:11 AM
Missed the column! Great read. Would love to get your Raw thoughts but that's aight. BTW, I thought it was a great show. Dusty heel turn rules all!!!
Posted By: MachoManFanStill (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 01:16 AM
"If you think my writing sucks, then tell me that. If you think I am wrong about something tell me. If you hate me, fucking tell me because I do NOT care!"
I believe I have done all of these things at one point or another, yet I've never ONCE called someone a mark, smark, or IWC something or other. Or virgin, 40-something in his parent's basement, yada yada and so on. It's all about the SUBSTANCE of your hatred, kids. Not just unrelated, arbitrary name-calling that is impossible to prove or disprove.
And then you have guys like Mortis and all-lowercase-and-always-without-a-name guy (a.k.a. "iwc scumbags"), who work almost exclusively in the name-calling I just mentioned...
Posted By: The REAL MP (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 01:30 AM
Glad to see you back Larry. Personally, I love it when people bitch about the IWC in the comments because it lets me know right away that I can skip past their shit and not miss anything insightful or intelligent.
Hope the column is back on a regular basis.
Posted By: Andy (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 01:35 AM
All those pretty girls and...Michelle McCool....why? gross!
Posted By: Nasty (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 01:48 AM
Vintage Larry Csonka , come back permanently with your news recaps , the no name other writers have nothing on you !
Posted By: Michael Colez (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 01:59 AM
Thank you for saying what needed to be said Larry. As a card carrying member of the more sensible and thoughtful group you mentioned, I couldn't agree more with you. It can be very hard to try to get an intelligent discussion started or continued when the comment boards are a minefield of idiocy. I mean honestly, how much can the same dumb jokes be beaten into the ground? Should we really be surprised that the level of discourse and discusion has gotten so poor though? Now that much of the mainstream product caters to children, it is only natural that it produces such childish response.
Posted By: gbh1978 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 02:05 AM
I sort of get Matt's point. We in the IWC only see the side of the story that's weighed in milligrams. It has to be disturbing for the superstars that still care. Their physical and mental sacrifice gets diminished by the vocal minority, because of some insignificant factors. Matt's not asking for too much from the fanatics, just a bit of appreciation.
Posted By: Pudgynub (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 02:21 AM
idk if id take the matt hardy thing that personally, it makes you look like you're just trying to put yourself over.
Posted By: Guest#9227 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 02:56 AM
I'm a proud member of the IWC, but in this case I think Matt Hardy is right. When he got canned for being open about Lita 2 timing him with Edge, he was thw IWC's hero. He was expected by the majority to take the anti WWE charge in TNA and start a new monday night war. When the IWC carried the wwe universe to cause Vince to resign him most of you were talking him down for being childish and washing his laundry in public. The IWC loves heels and hates faces. Edge became their golen boy (deservingly so, only to be replaced by a shell of a heel in the form of Randy Orton). So yeah he should be pissed at the IWC. I'm not a Jeff hater or lover. He was awsome this year and props for him for leaving on his own terms. And no' with out him, CM Punk would never be so big. So I don't know why you're so pissed at Matt. While I'm taking the time to comment, Ive gotta ask: What is the hard on that most writers on this site have for Orton. I think he's the most overated wrestler in history. The Ultimate Warrior and Bill Goldberg know how to sell their rivals better than him. He is the most gloryfied mid carder in history! Just because he's a heel? Cena, HHH, HBK and even Batista are more deserving of the top spot then him. He's boring on the mic with the same stuff for two years; He shit's in a co workers bag; He has also had 2 strikes; He trashed a hotel room in London forcing WWE to ship his sorry ass home before he gets kicked out of the country. What's the fixation? When he and Cena were hurt, Raw was shing with Y2J, HBK and Big Dave. Since he came back, the show is shit!!! When did he ever carry a lesser opponent to a good match? HHH, Cena, HBK, Y2J, UT Batista, Punk, HArdy HHH have done it numerus times. HE is so undeserving of his spot. It's like giving the world title to Brian Adias in the old WCCW.
Posted By: freebirddx (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 04:04 AM
You forgot.
Christy Hemme - The "Hot Chick"
Traci - The "Original Knockout"
Madison - The "She looks awesome in SHIMMER but has been awful in TNA"
Roxxi- The "Hardcore Icon"
Sojo - The "Jobber"
Sarah Del Ray - The "Why isn't she signed yet?"
Daizee Haze - The "See above"
Posted By: Even (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 04:15 AM
"great tag encounter with cocaine? why am i all of a sudden humming rule britannia?"
No. It's the Rock 'n' Roll Express
Posted By: Mark (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 04:34 AM
Matt is right.
Posted By: who cares (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 06:39 AM
I'm not sure why you believe HDNet shopping the ROH TV show around to international outlets will improve ROH cash flow. ROH does not get paid by HDNet for its programming. And HDNet, not ROH, owns the tv shows. So revenues from international sales of those shows would go to HDNet, not ROH. Right?
Posted By: nomark (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 06:46 AM
Great to see a return here. I've always enjoyed "Your News, My Views" and this was no exception. Now where is that regular Tuesday guy...
Posted By: Pete (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 06:53 AM
"One time, back in the day, after an event I was dining with one of the greatest tag teams of all time. Names not mentioned here. As we were finishing, one man dismissed himself as I sat with the other man. He left to go do a few lines of cocaine off of the hood of his rental car."
Beau Beverley?!! Say it isn't so, Joe!
Posted By: Bored Weegie (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 07:44 AM
i miss being a true "mark".
yeah i said it. i miss not knowing half the angle before they are played out i miss being able to just watch a match as it happens and not see the mistakes, and just get caught up in a match.
I miss being able to just cheer for someone just because they're the good guy.
i miss being able to look up to wrestlers before i actually knew too many of them and saw some of the lives i've seen them lead.
I miss it being fun all the time instead of when i catch a great match.
If ignorance is bliss... then what the hell is all this? Its work. its a job. its having passion for something that very few others will have that same passion for nor understand, but you love it. even when you hate it, even when you roll your eyes at the 5000th 'retired' wrestler coming out of retirement "ONE MORE TIME". every stupid booking call, every sloppy match, every time you see an RIP to a wrestler who died too young. we still love this shit, all of it.
Posted By: Thatdamngood (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 07:49 AM
Welcome back Csonka! Missed this column and I didn't even know it. I think some people on these boards try to play "heel" and get people riled up-- I believe a lot of them (and myself included) have been guilty of passionately expressing an opinion that is directly the opposite of our own in a stupid way in order to make that pov look less intelligent...
Posted By: M:-X (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 08:37 AM
Larry, you are a god.
Back in the day (99-02) we were all smarks, with differing opinions, but still smarks. Now with WWE being the only game in town it seems like if you criticise WWE then you're a 'stupid iwc smark fag'.
Obviously it's to do with the expansion of internet usage, back then we were all geeks, now every booger-eater and their grandmother is online.
Long live the smark.
Posted By: Bruno (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 09:08 AM
While you are right about the origins of the word, "smark" has really changed over the last 5-6 years, though. Nowadays, with kayfabe being all but dead and the fad-following majority no longer interested in wrestling, "smark" really just means someone who is jaded and cynical about wrestling, and only appreciates workrate and highspots and denigrates any wrestler who is more about promos and personality than they are about technical prowess. Diehard ROH fans are considered "smarkier" than WWE fans, for example. Simply being a reader of dirtsheets doesn't really make one a "smark" anymore.
Posted By: MDK (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 09:12 AM
Matt does have one good point. You IWC dipshits know absolutely NOTHING about the business of professional wrestling. Don't stick your nose where it doesn't belong. Fucking marks.
Posted By: Crazy (Guest) on August 31, 2009 at 11:10 PM
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Are you fucking serious? I guess somewhere inside your head, your brain saw the introduction to Csonka's essay, and said to yourself "Nah, he couldn't be talking to me, I'll skip over."
But allow me to paraphrase. Chances are, if you read this column (and you did,) you're a mark. If you posted a comment down here in the comments section (and you did, hell, yours was the first one buddy,) you're a mark.
Basically what the man said was, if you take time out of your day to post obnoxious slander in this comments section, you're just as guilty of doing what you so sanctimoniously blame others of doing. So get your fucking head out of your ass and get over yourself, for the love of God.
Thank you.
And to Csonka, I loved the column this week. You do great work, man. Truer words seldom spoken as they were in that essay.
Posted By: The General Public (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 09:14 AM
Hey Larry, fuck you
Posted By: Guest#7846 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 09:18 AM
YES YES YES!!! I miss the your news my views section, granted small is great...whammy...but daddy does love him som your news my views!
Posted By: ME (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 09:19 AM
I used to respect you, Cszonka.
Then I read your little marks/smarks/IWC rant.
It is sad and pathetic for a cloumn writer to bitch about anonymous commentors. It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong with your comments. It's still pathetic.
It's the same crybaby bullshit we read from the lesser "talents" when JBL made his IWC comments a few years ago. The only reason he recieved such bile was because his comments shattered the imaginary comfort zone the anonimity of the 'net provided them.
All your little rant does is show that those mark/smark/IWC comments hit close to home. And that's a damn shame when even Cszonka lowers himself to commenting on the comments regarding Carny, fake-sport entertainment.
Posted By: Truth Detector (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 09:23 AM
You IWC douches are really pissing me off, praising this writer for having a go at me! All I did was defend my brother, because all you asses thinking you're all straight-edge like CM Punk, and better than him were just pissing me off. So fuck you writer, fuck you IWC, and fuck all you marks and smarks!
MATT OUT!
Posted By: Matt (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 09:51 AM
Dear Larry,
I know you won't respond to this, though I wish you would.
I remember when you started writing here on 411 that you would mention your role working with students at your church and how much you enjoyed your church etc..
Now you sound just like every other columnist here on 411 and elsewhere that is trying to get over with the "Cool crowd" by talking filth.
How is it that you made your mark without all the profanity and actually taking a stand for your religious beliefs and now you have fallen so far?
I looked up to you as a Youth Pastor who also happens to enjoy wrestling, but now you just make me shake my head. I know I will get flamed if this actually gets through (since only Darth Mortis and Ron Mexico seem to get stuff through) but I am curious as to what happened to make you so bitter Larry?
Posted By: Former Csonka~maniac (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 09:54 AM
I can't believe people thought it was anyone BUT Ricky Snort'n!
Posted By: Jimbo (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 09:56 AM
I miss this column in the wrestling section... Bring it back full time Larry!!
Posted By: Todd Vote (Registered) on September 01, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Larry where was Karen in the sendoff? Does Tna want her gone? Conspiracy? Oh well, I still think you should write something at least monthly. I miss the insight.
Posted By: Brimstone35 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 10:42 AM
You guys here at 411 get the bullets shot into your eyes for me on a weekly basis, and Zonka, your recaps were my favorite.
Posted By: Ant-LOX (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 11:11 AM
I was fairly pissed at some comments on Matt Hardy,
but you posted sexy pics of Mickie James, Melina, KK, Layla, and the Beutiful people so all forgiven.
Posted By: The Dutch (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Larry,
You are the man. For the love of God, come back and do "Your news, My views," because your column has always been better. On top of that, Small sucks.
Posted By: Essa Rios (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Jeff did not make Punk, nor did Punk singlehandedly make himself. It was a combination of a well-written feud and work by BOTH MEN to assure WWE that Punk would be THE HEEL on SmackDown when Jeff left.
"You can make fun of the "marks" all you want, but they are likely having more fun than you are."
That is goddamn right. Going from mark to smart is like going from child to adult: when you're the former and learn of the other you want nothing more than to become that. And when you become the cynical part of the latter you hope against hope you could go back to the former but it's impossible.
Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Dear Larry,
I have not always agreed with you in the past, but you are Pin Point, Dead On, Balls Accurate in the short essay you wrote. If you aren't a mark or a smark, then are you really a fan? If you aren't a fan, why are you here reading this stuff?
I like to think I was one that didn't need to read your essay. That got me thinking though, that the people that need to read your essay are the people that will scroll right past it because it is too many words to read at once.
I think the majority of the people here are level headed people that like wrestling. I read the columns and the news and I try to avoid spoilers. I try to still have fun watching, and why not? Isn't that what wrestling exists for? For us to have fun watching them do what they think is fun?
Posted By: Polish Post (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Mr. Cszonka, I just wanna thank you for saying what needed to be said. sniffle sniffle snort sniffle Its still real to me, DAMMIT!
Posted By: Fat guy with glasses crying (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Good point... I need to start referring to people like you as one of the douchebags of the IWC. Thanks for setting me straight douchebag!
Posted By: Guest#1270 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Acting in a professional manner is something to be EXPECTED, not RESPECTED.
But with Jeff - since his history was to not act in a professional manner - we fully expected him to revert to his old ways. Maybe he has changed, maybe he has grown up.
Or maybe he is the smarter addict who knows that:
1. The WWE is his meal ticket, and if he gets a third strike he is out forever.
2. He can't go longer than a year or two without reverting back to his old ways - so he uses the end of his contract as a way out - to take a vacation and heal/get stoned/get high without getting his last strike.
3. And when he's done partying and/or the money is gone - he can then come back to the WWE and cash in again (and possibly with a "fresh set of strikes").
So Matt - your brother's actions should not be respected - but your brother's actions are certainly unexpected.
Oh - and lay off the George Hamilton skin-bronzing treatments.
Posted By: BobbyC (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 01:04 PM
Seriously dude... with the exception of TNA, every single thing you said was negative and came across as bitching about everything! Are you having your period or something?
Posted By: Guest#4925 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 01:12 PM
Csonka, stay away from writting opinion columns. I could care less what you think and only had to read the part about the Hardys to remember why I never liked reading you.
You are a mark for yourself and must be day-dreaming if you think Matt actually cares about what you have to say...and while he is not 'over' he DID make it to the WWE, while you did not. That makes you....??? A sore loser? No, a hypocrite? No, it makes you a whiny bitch.
If you didn't like Hardy's comment why did you read it? ANd also, why take it as personal as you did? It's like a 5th grader talking smack. Grow some pubic hair you fag
Posted By: William (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 01:18 PM
Ric Flair has always been a deadbeat. The only diffrence is, now that his wrestling career is over, he should be taking advantage of all the PR things being offered to him. Instead, he's running around with a blowtorch seeing how many bridges he can burn. It's not going to end well.
And am I the only one that doesn't find any of the current divas attractive? All the girls in the "sendoff" look like really cheap hookers. Slash was right. About the only one I would even consider cute is Velvet Sky, and maybe Layla. It's funny how overrated alot of women become just because they happen to be in wrestling. You would never see any of them in a real magazine photo shoot, unless it was something like Hustler. Wrestling is so bad now that they can't even find pretty women anymore. You see better looking girls walking around shopping malls every single day.
Posted By: Guest#0589 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 01:19 PM
Wow, who shit in your lunch today? You make judgements about each of the individuals in your report without knowing them one bit.
Guess what? They're HUMAN. They're not gods and they're not perfect. Evr heard the old saying "Unless you walk a mile in someone's shoes"?
You judge Jeff for his choices (which are part of his personal lifestyle, btw) even though he's accomplished more in 10 years than you'll ever accomplish in a lifetime. For all the cries of "junkie" and "bum", he worked hard to get to the WWE and be athletic and put his life on the line every night for our entertainment. When would you ever get the willpower and sheer talent to do that?
Posted By: Guest#9385 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 01:45 PM
The number of great tag teams that could fit in that story kind of shocked me. Any of these could fit, you can pick the most likely member:
The Road Warriors
The Hart Foundation
The Rock 'N' Roll Express
The Rockers
The Hardy Boyz
The British Bulldogs
The Freebirds
The Mega-Powers
Piper and Orndorff
Volkoff and Iron Sheik
Posted By: Guest#8660 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 01:59 PM
Wow, great Flair pic. Is that his Command & Conquer 3 costume or did he get the Hannibal part in an A-TEAM remake?
Ok now that you've teased with a One Shot Your News/My Views column, can we get a Larry & the Wife 411 Podcast? Those use to be great. You could cover MMA too, since it looks like most of your columns are over there now. What was Kristy's take on last year's Lego Batman? I remember her going on & on about trying to get Lego Star Wars beat and think she really would've liked the Batman version. Lego Harry Potter supposedly in development...
Oh hell now I'm being a game mark!
Posted By: Byzdalmyt (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 02:04 PM
First, thanks to all that have commented.
Secondly, this is a one shot deal, work doesn’t allow for me to write like I used too.
Thirdly, to William, sure, Matt Hardy made it to the WWE and makes more money that I do, and I never made it past the small indies. But what I can tell you is that I have succeeded in one area where he hasn’t, I have a beautiful wife, a health marriage and a great daughter, and I wouldn’t trade it for anything.
Fourthly, to those that said it was negative, I was dealing with negative subjects.
Again, thanks to all for commenting, it was great to be back.
Posted By: The King of 411~! (Registered) on September 01, 2009 at 02:13 PM
"tonight, guys like Darth Mortis (yeah, that's actually his name here in the IWC).... Brad B, & IWC=Douches (all pretty much the same guy).... are clutching their pillows (if not biting them...) a tad tighter now that they know Csonka is watching!!
there is room for intelligent debate here, 5 star is proof of that! .... I don't even know or care exactly what is a SMARK but I kind of know what a mark is, and I mark for quite a few stars in wrestling, it's the point and what generates bizzness!
good comeback! .... AND THANKS for posting the IWC rules and regulations!! NOW they KNOW!!! recognize! they probably won't.....
Posted By: oilrat (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 12:52 AM"
Not really. The mods have already gone to great lengths to censor me when they don't like my opinions, even if I'm not using curse words or saying anything offensive.
And sorry Larry. Try as you might, I'm not like your kind. There is a distinct difference between "the IWC" and "wrestling fans posting on a wrestling web site."
Posted By: IWC=Douches (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 02:22 PM
You judge people a whole lot.
Posted By: Crow (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 02:43 PM
"Nowadays, with kayfabe being all but dead and the fad-following majority no longer interested in wrestling, "smark" really just means someone who is jaded and cynical about wrestling, and only appreciates workrate and highspots and denigrates any wrestler who is more about promos and personality..."
Posted By: MDK (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 09:12 AM
Except these fuckers really have no clue what workrate means. Please, give me a break. Internet "workrate" freaks love them some Briscoes, but they can't work. Half of ROH can't work, but god love them. huh? But to get positive here, WE ARE ALL MARKS!! Anyone who is a fan of wrestling is a mark. We, as "smarks" are the biggest marks of all. We know it's a work yet we still watch and spend our money.And for the guy who posts saying he doesn't spend money on wrestling, congratulations, you are lying.
IWC- anyone who reads this sight falls under this category whether or not we view ourselves as the douches who post bs or try to make rational discussions. Smark- it's a bullshit term anyways. I personally am not a smark, I'm a worker. I'm paying my dues on the independents, doing whatever needs done. Call me a liar, but only I know if I'm really lying or not, so what's it matter?
And God bless Matt Hardy for calling it like he sees it. And thank you Larry for proving him right. Yes, you gave credit where credit is due, but are you really so wrapped up in yourself that you actually to offense to that? We might as well hang a bright red A on your neck because you could not have been screaming that you were "that smark" any louder.
Posted By: supa sta (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 03:01 PM
Larry... Wellness Policy gives talent 72 hours to show their scrip, Rey claims he only had 24. It doesn't matter if he didn't have it on him when tested. Actually read the policy. And keeping in mind how WWE has politicized the Wellness Policy by calling up DH Smith just so they could suspend him in public and excluding Batista from the Signature Pharmacy suspensions, I wouldn't put it past them to hose Rey to get back at him for butting heads with them over his contract. Not jobbing to Dolph shouldn't be held against him since he was promised a decent run with the belt after how he was treated as World champ. Holding someone to their word isn't a bad thing and neither is standing up for yourself when your company breaks their own policy to nail you.
Posted By: Conquistador #473 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 03:04 PM
Well, the handwriting is on the wall.
This is the beginning of the end for Ring Of Honor. This is how it starts. Checks start bouncing, guys are asked to drive instead of fly, and stars are leaving.
ROH is gonna be bankrupt within a year.
Posted By: JTX (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 03:09 PM
Unlike HHH, Csonka can leave hated and come back loved.
Posted By: The Voices In Your Head (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 03:27 PM
And sorry Larry. Try as you might, I'm not like your kind. There is a distinct difference between "the IWC" and "wrestling fans posting on a wrestling web site."
Posted By: IWC=Douches (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 02:22 PM
This is a good point. I have always considered myself to be a wrestling fan rather than a member of the IWC. I do understand that I am on the Internet posting about wrestling in the community forums.
I am also sick of seing people insulted or asked to kill themselves if they dare to have a different opinion! I fully admit I love spoilers and the latest news, but I also love wrestling itself. I have been a wrestling fan for almost 30 years!
A common theme I hear from the IWC is, I don't want to be told who to cheer or boo for. Then, in your very next breath, you attack people who don't boo or cheer YOUR favorites!
The truth is, someone like me, who watches/attends the shows, buys the ppvs or merchandise has a much greater say in how companies do business than someone complaining from the comfort of their own homes on a wrestling site.
I know that wrestling is scripted, and nothing really happens that wasn't planned. I cheer John Cena and HHH b/c I like them, and I cheer DX together even though I was never a HBK fan. I NEVER cheered for Hogan, always preferred Andre! So you see, I am fully capable of cheering/booing for who I choose rather than who WWE/TNA or the IWC tells me to.
I have said it before, but it bears repeating. No opinion matters as much to you as your own(and that applies to me as well). I wish I could see more agree to disagree in the IWC. A little civility and common courtesy are not too much for anyone to expect.
No one will agree all of the time. That is the beauty of free will. Is really so hard to be civil. I truly believe it is possible for everyone to co-exist peacefully!
Posted By: AndreFan (Registered) on September 01, 2009 at 03:35 PM
Welcome back Rebecca Knox!
Posted By: Manu (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 03:52 PM
@King of 411
But no mention of why you choose to use so much profanity anymore?
Posted By: Guest#2803 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 04:01 PM
Because I did. If it bothers you, and not that it is your business, but I do not work for the church any more, nor do I work with youth groups right now, I haven’t for well lover a year since I moved. My work situation has changed, and when I write, I write straight from thought, and don’t censor myself.
Thanks for reading.
Posted By: The King of 411~! (Registered) on September 01, 2009 at 04:24 PM
It's always dangerous to disagree with the boss, but this sentence seems cardinally wrong:
"He isn't flashy, he isn't huge, he isn't tan and he is not known for his promos. He is just a great professional wrestler."
If the guy doesn't have some sort of look about him, and can't cut a promo, he's not a great professional wrestler, period. He may be good, or even very good, but your look and your ability to convey a story OUT of the ring are parts of being great at what you do. The fact that he excels at one specific aspect of his job doesn't make any one wrestler great at their job as a whole.
If all he can do is have a great match, he becomes another Shelton Benjamin in the WWE...
Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 04:31 PM
Ha! Looks like the church "future endeavored" Larry!
Posted By: Guest#8962 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 04:32 PM
Larry, you just wish you were a Hardy Boy so you change the S in your name to a Z... you're not fooling anyone! I smell work!
Posted By: Guest#2036 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 04:39 PM
I smarking hate you Larry
Posted By: Smarky Mark and the IWC Bunch (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 05:02 PM
Larry sez, "If you hate me, fucking tell me because I do NOT care!" Proof that indy christain wrestlers are the dumbest people on the planet.
Posted By: Guest#6074 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 05:13 PM
Is K-Nox still in the business, even? Haven't heard nothing in ages!!!
Posted By: joemark0 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 05:19 PM
Csonka, you are an idiot.
Yes, the literal meaning of IWC is "internet wrestling community" thats cool. However, 75%+ of the "IWC" is a hivemind that shits on the same things and lacks an open mind. That is why people claim to be above it. I personally dislike being associated with most of the negative jackasses in the comment section who don't like anything, yet still watch anyway.
Posted By: Westen (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 05:39 PM
Mr. Csonka, Men on a Mission is not a great tag team.
Posted By: Chris Remington (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 05:49 PM
Because I did. If it bothers you, and not that it is your business, but I do not work for the church any more, nor do I work with youth groups right now, I haven’t for well lover a year since I moved. My work situation has changed, and when I write, I write straight from thought, and don’t censor myself.
Thanks for reading.
Posted By: The King of 411~! (Registered) on September 01, 2009 at 04:24 PM
Wow... not meant to piss you off. Just in this day and age it was refreshing to hear an opinion without all the potty mouth stuff thrown in.
You are entertaining. Was just curious. Hopefully no offense since none was intended.
Posted By: Guest#4775 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 06:11 PM
god, csonka, did matt rape your dog or something? chillax a bit :)
Posted By: ryan (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 06:35 PM
Oh wow. Larry approved only Pro-Csonka comments. How surprising. Fuck Csonka. His stupid gimmick words like BERRIED or kabong works with fat nerds. He's Scott Keith v 2.0 but only more girth to waistline.
Posted By: Alcoholic (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 06:49 PM
I wasn't offended by you or anyone else. I welcome the hate, I asked for it...not that you were. But the ones that are going over the top prove my point.
And for the guy that said I was like HHH, I prefer Pillman debuting in ECW, it fits much better.
Again, thanks for reading.
Posted By: The King of 411~! (Registered) on September 01, 2009 at 06:57 PM
I wasn't offended by you or anyone else. I welcome the hate, I asked for it...not that you were. But the ones that are going over the top prove my point.
And for the guy that said I was like HHH, I prefer Pillman debuting in ECW, it fits much better.
Again, thanks for reading.
Posted By: The King of 411~! (Registered) on September 01, 2009 at 06:57 PM
Screw the haters Larry. I think at least once a month we need to have this here column up and running. Wrestling is what gets the most hits anyway. MMA is cool but the Csonk needs to let loose on WWE/TNA/ROH/Indy crap at least once a month.
Posted By: Follower of Christ (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 07:50 PM
hey Larry, someone just posted your response to Matt on his myspace
Posted By: Connor (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 08:42 PM
Also, if you read his whole blog, he clarifies that he loves the IWC and admits that they're responsible for him getting his job back in 2005. In case anyone cares, which I'm sure you'll shit all over and say you don't, here's exactly what he said:
".. And for the record, I actually love the Internet Wrestling Community.. I would not have returned to the WWE in 2005 without them, so I got nothing but love for ya! But I must admit, there's that small 5% that I want to evolve, to educate.. But I am realistic, I know I'll never get everyone on the same page-but it doesn't hurt to try, in my humble opinion."
Posted By: SeanAltly (Guest) on September 02, 2009 at 01:56 AM
Larry sez, "If you hate me, fucking tell me because I do NOT care!" Proof that indy christain wrestlers are the dumbest people on the planet.
Posted By: Guest#6074 (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 05:13 PM
It is actually spelled Christian (not saying YOU'RE dumb or anything)
Posted By: Guest#3085 (Guest) on September 02, 2009 at 08:56 AM
Don't lump me in with you! Just because I read articles about wrestling on the Internet, doesn't mean I am some holier-than-thou, know-it-all douchebag!
Posted By: Guest#6245 (Guest) on September 02, 2009 at 09:27 AM
Hardy is an addict, Mysterio is a pill popper and Flair is a deadbeat... Daniels got a DUI, Guerrero was a pill popper, Angle is a pill popper who beats women, and Benoit killed his family
Posted By: The truth hurts (Guest) on September 02, 2009 at 09:30 AM
Whoops, forgot... Samoa Joe is obese
Posted By: The truth hurts (Guest) on September 02, 2009 at 09:31 AM
Oh wow. Larry approved only Pro-Csonka comments. How surprising. Fuck Csonka. His stupid gimmick words like BERRIED or kabong works with fat nerds. He's Scott Keith v 2.0 but only more girth to waistline.
Posted By: Alcoholic (Guest) on September 01, 2009 at 06:49 PM
I think they put all the comments in a hat and pull out which ones they will let through. This place is like Iran.
Posted By: Guest#1201 (Guest) on September 02, 2009 at 10:48 AM
The truth is I AM above the Idiot Wrestling Community. Its just not a debatable point. Its bare, plain, simple fact. Period, paragraph.
Posted By: Lucius (Guest) on September 02, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Layla is in serious need of my attention!
Posted By: The Great Smartass (Guest) on September 02, 2009 at 04:22 PM
Whoa, Czonka actually reads what's posted? I just thought that was all technical mumbo jumbo. Making people think that real people were actually reading their comments.
Kinda happy that not every moronic comment is posted, and that someone has the power to reject a comment.
Posted By: ToxicMischief (Guest) on September 02, 2009 at 07:54 PM
Whoa, Czonka actually reads what's posted? I just thought that was all technical mumbo jumbo. Making people think that real people were actually reading their comments.
Kinda happy that not every moronic comment is posted, and that someone has the power to reject a comment.
Posted By: ToxicMischief (Guest) on September 02, 2009 at 07:54 PM
You are such a stupid Csonka mark
Posted By: Guest#8150 (Guest) on September 02, 2009 at 10:44 PM
"You are such a stupid Csonka mark"
Fine by me.
Posted By: ToxicMischief (Guest) on September 02, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Glad to see another wrestling news report from ya, Csonk. I don't always agree with you, but I always enjoy reading what you think.
Posted By: G-Walla (Guest) on September 03, 2009 at 12:23 AM
"And sorry Larry. Try as you might, I'm not like your kind. There is a distinct difference between "the IWC" and "wrestling fans posting on a wrestling web site.""
So you masturbate to chicks that aren't associated with wrestling? That's the difference? Because I'm pretty sure you're as pathetic as the rest of the people that post here, myself included.
"The truth is, someone like me, who watches/attends the shows, buys the ppvs or merchandise has a much greater say in how companies do business than someone complaining from the comfort of their own homes on a wrestling site."
Your opinion is still as worthless as ours because in the end a company like WWE will push who they want, not who you pay to see. They've become so ingrained to the notion that their fans will pay to see whatever they want to show us that they really don't work too hard to find out what their fans want. That's why you always hear them talking about how "loyal" their audience is -- they already know they have their money.
I think the point people need to realize is that we're all insignificant. Even those that put themselves above the mouth-breathing IWC still are worthless in real life. You have a wife? Good for you, but there are lots of people like you (i.e. you're not special) and there's a very good chance it'll probably end in divorce anyway. You've been laid? Congrats, but you're not the first (even a wrestling fan). You have a good job and make lots of money? I applaud you, but remember...you're still arguing with us acne-ridden virgins and 40 year-old basement-dwellers on a message board. About wrestling. Apparently, that hot wife, long list of sexual conquests, great job, and stellar bank account still isn't enough to placate your manliness. What other reason is there to attack an entire community of people you don't know? Because most of them are assholes? That's 99% of the world's population. Either go into seclusion so you don't have to deal with real people or get over yourself and your superiority complex.
Posted By: Guest#7562 (Guest) on September 03, 2009 at 12:59 AM
Either go into seclusion so you don't have to deal with real people or get over yourself and your superiority complex.
Posted By: Guest#7562 (Guest) on September 03, 2009 at 12:59 AM
Ha! Same douchebag that wrote the article now sticking up for himself anonymously! Brilliant swerve!
Posted By: Guest#9919 (Guest) on September 03, 2009 at 08:22 AM
I think the point people need to realize is that we're all insignificant. Even those that put themselves above the mouth-breathing IWC still are worthless in real life. You have a wife? Good for you, but there are lots of people like you (i.e. you're not special) and there's a very good chance it'll probably end in divorce anyway. You've been laid? Congrats, but you're not the first (even a wrestling fan). You have a good job and make lots of money? I applaud you, but remember...you're still arguing with us acne-ridden virgins and 40 year-old basement-dwellers on a message board. About wrestling. Apparently, that hot wife, long list of sexual conquests, great job, and stellar bank account still isn't enough to placate your manliness. What other reason is there to attack an entire community of people you don't know? Because most of them are assholes? That's 99% of the world's population. Either go into seclusion so you don't have to deal with real people or get over yourself and your superiority complex.
Posted By: Guest#7562 (Guest) on September 03, 2009 at 12:59 AM
Perhaps you didn't bother reading my entire post. If you had you would have noted that I covered your criticism already. Here it is again from my previous post -
I have said it before, but it bears repeating. No opinion matters as much to you as your own(and that applies to me as well). I wish I could see more agree to disagree in the IWC. A little civility and common courtesy are not too much for anyone to expect.
I think you missed the point of my post(common courtesy). I am also sorry to hear that you actually believe that 99% of THE WORLD are a**holes. I see the a**holes of the world as the exception, not the rule!
There is a suggestion in my previous post I would suggest you employ more often - agree to disagree(without attacks and insults). Give it a try, it can't hurt!
Posted By: AndreFan (Registered) on September 03, 2009 at 09:23 PM
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