411 PPV Roundtable Preview: WWE Breaking Point 2009
Posted by Stephen Randle on 09.12.2009
This Sunday, WWE Superstars collide in Montreal for the very first submission-themed WWE PPV. Four titles are on the line, including a submission match between CM Punk and The Undertaker, and a brutal "I Quit" match between John Cena and Randy Orton, and the 411 Staff has all their thoughts on the upcoming show!
Introduction:
Well, it's been three weeks, so it must be time for another WWE PPV. And for the first time in a long time, we're headed north of the border for a big show, as WWE presents Breaking Point, a submission-themed show live from…Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
Wait a second…submission…PPV…Montreal…Shawn Michaels...oh crap.
And now that we're all sufficiently angry and paranoid (especially the Canadian contingent of the readership), let's continue. This Sunday, all three World titles are on the line, two in advertised submission-related matches, as CM Punk attempts to become the first man to ever make the Undertaker lose a match by tapping out, and John Cena and Randy Orton try to force each other to commit the ultimate act of submission by saying the words "I Quit". Meanwhile, Legacy and DX continue their private war in a first-ever "Submissions Count Anywhere" match (although technically, in any Falls Count Anywhere match, you can still lose by a submission, but hey, splitting hairs). Plus, other matches!
I kid, I kid. I'm sure someone out there (named Jeff Small) is looking forward eagerly to Kane vs Khali in a Singapore Cane match. And the super-team of Chris Jericho and The Big Show look to extend their reign of dominance as they face MVP and Mark Henry.
The PPV is this Sunday, but you don't have to wait until then to hear what the 411 Staff has to say about what might happen as WWE heads into Canada for the newest thematic PPV, Breaking Point!
The Staff
Stephen Randle, The Wrestling News Experience
Julian Bond, Against The Grain
Len Archibald, 411 Movies/TV's Around The World in 24 Frames
Ari Berenstein, Column of Honor
Andy Critchell, ECW Extreme Extracts
Robert Leighty Jr, From The Bowery
Mathew Sforcina, Ask 411 Wrestling
Andy Clark, The Shimmy
Michael Weyer, Shining The Spotlight
WWE BREAKING POINT 2009
Kane vs The Great Khali – Singapore Cane Match
Stephen Randle: So we get this match, but Ziggler-Morrison gets shuffled off the card? I guess that makes sense, since we'd actually enjoy seeing the IC title match and maybe even consider paying money for it. This, on the other hand? Neither of these guys is going to be more or less over no matter who wins this match and it's probably going to be a pretty bad match, so you might as well flip a coin, then gouge your eyes out.
Winner: The Great Khali
Julian Bond: For a good way to kill time, I personally don't really mind this harmless feud at all. Since Kane took the first one, I take Khali to get the win here.
Winner: The Great Khali
Len Archibald: Ahhh, the famous singapore cane match. I had originally thought about picking Kane, but after Khali's HUMBLING of The Big Show lately, I'm thinking that Khali might give the Big Red Machine an asswhoopin' he'll never forget.
Winner: The Great Khali by Canemission
Ari Berenstein: Relax friends, this time around I'm not doing any Haiku. I'm not sure how this can't continue to be anything but horrible in the ring.I will say that it might be perversely entertaining to see these two hit each other with the cane repeatedly. Just a question though, can this match end by submission? I submit even though it hasn't started yet.
Winner: Kane
Andy Critchell: Here is the match that the internet crowd will crap all over but should be fun anyway. I expect a lot of brutality and a lot of wicked cane shots.
Winner: Khali
Robert Leighty Jr: Why not put Kane over 2 straight?
Winner: Kane
Mathew Sforcina: Unless this match ends with Kane's eyes rolling back into his skull as Khali Camel Clutchs him with the cane across the throat, it's a let down.
Winner: The Great Khali (Choke Out Humbling)
Andy Clark: I really enjoyed the build to their SummerSlam match, unfortunately that match sucked pretty badly. The two Singapore Cane Matches I can remember (Tommy Dreamer-Stevie Richards in 2002 and at One Night Stand last year) were both awesome and I actually have high expectations for this match considering both men should thrive in an environment where they can just whack the hell out of each other. I do question putting a gimmick match on a PPV that is already supposed to have it's own gimmick.
Winner: The Great Khali
Michael Weyer: Yes, just what we needed for this feud, weapons. Actually, this might not be too bad but will be slow as hell no doubt. Khali has actually been given a boost with this but as Kane is a bit more mobile in the ring, he'll handle the cane better so I expect him on top at the end.
Stephen Randle: I continue to believe that Show and Jericho will hold the belts until a super-team unites with equivalent brand-crossing powers to take the titles from them. Hopefully the loss of Rey, Edge, and Jeff Hardy. What does it say about how awesome this team is that they've managed to make both Cryme Tyme and the floundering MVP and Henry look like legitimate title threats since their reign began?
Winner: Jericho and Show
Julian Bond: I truly deeply believe that Show and Jericho hold on nice and tight to the tag straps up until Edge hopefully makes a comeback in the next few months or so. In the meantime, MVP and Henry should make for great filler opponents here, but will ultimately lose in the end.
Winner and STILL Unified Tag Team Champions: Jericho and Show
Len Archibald: So, let's review, shall we? In one moment as guest host, Shaq legitimizes Cryme Time as challengers for the Unified Tag Team titles, only to lose to JeriShow (that's what I call them, dammit!) Money Mayweather does the same for MVP and Mark Henry. They've been one-upping Show and Jericho for a couple of weeks, now. I think we know what's happening, but I think this FEUD MUST CONTINUE!
Winner: MVP and Mark Henry by DQ
Ari Berenstein: MVP and Henry are a makeshift team, but then again, so were Jericho and Big Show. I think MVP and Henry looked good on Raw this past week in service of making it seem they could win here. They won't.
Winner: Jericho and Big Show retain the Unified Tag Titles
Andy Critchell: There is still a lot of mileage left in the Jericho/Show team and I don't think they are going to lose their titles just yet.
Winner: Chris Jericho and The Big Show
Robert Leighty Jr: JeriShow has been awesome (mainly because Jericho), and this should be pretty entertaining. Henry vs Show, if kept to a minimum, will be ok, and Jericho/MVP should do fine with the heavy lifting. Keep the straps on the champs for now though.
Winner and Still Unified Tag Champs: JeriShow
Mathew Sforcina: I firmly believe that Jericho and Show will not lose the tag titles until such time as Edge and Christian reunite to win them back. Ergo...
Winners, and STILL WWE Unified Tag Team Champions: JeriShow (Walls of Jericho on MVP)
Andy Clark: It's nice to see MVP get a push and Mark Henry is finally on PPV after his move to Raw but these guys are just being fed to Jeri-Show here. The match should be good but I don't give MarkVP a real chance here.
Winners and STILL Unified Tag Team Champions: Chris Jericho & Big Show
Michael Weyer: Gotta love how WWE actually matches JeriShow up with their opposite number (technical master and incredibly slow big guy) and with the two feuds merging here, expect a fair match. But I don't see any title change here and the possibility it'll continue further.
WINNERS and still Unifed Tag Team Champions: JeriShow
Stephen Randle: If Regal fails to win the title here, then his faction is officially the lamest since Ryder and Hawkins, without the added benefit of actually helping their leader gain and retain titles.
Winner: William Regal
Julian Bond: Me thinks that Regal finally gets his revenge against Christian and makes the man tap out to the Regal Stretch to claim the ECW title.
Winner and NEW ECW Champion: William Regal
Len Archibald: It's only a matter of time. You don't build up a SUPER HEEL FACTION and not payoff of it.
Winner: AND NEW ECW CHAMPION – WILLIAM REGAL
Ari Berenstein: This has been a decent feud, but it was jobbed for time at Summmerslam (should have seen it coming). They should get more than 8 seconds this time around and create a decent in-ring effort. William Regal has the clear advantage with the numbers game (Boris Zukhov and Ahmed Johnson, er, wait...) and a specific submission hold that can be used to win the match.
Winner: William Regal wins the ECW Championship
Andy Critchell: I expect a much different match than the one they had at SummerSlam. If Regal doesn't win then it makes his "Roundtable" of monsters somewhat useless, doesn't it?
Winner: And NEW ECW Champion, William Regal!
Robert Leighty Jr: This match could be the sleeper of the show, and I expect nothing but a solid wrestling match from these two. I think Regal deserves a run with one of the 3 World Titles, even if it only the ECW version.
Winner and New ECW Champion: William Regal
Mathew Sforcina: If anyone deserves a run with the "World Title that's not really a world title", and if there's anyone who can make it seem like a World Title, and if there is anyone with lackeys that the faces have to work through to get to the champ... Come on, Wrestling 102 here! (Wrestling 101 is Kofi: Smiling Champ).
Winner, and NEW ECW Champion: William Bloody Regal (JacKozlov Beatdown into Regal Stretch)
Andy Clark: The ECW Title gets buried yet again by not getting a Submission stip despite being the ECW brand's main event. Something along the lines of 2/3 Submissions, Ultimate Submission, or a Throw in the Towel Match with Dreamer in Christian's corner and Regal's big men in his could have worked. I suppose Regal wins here, possibly leading to a feud with Shelton Benjamin. It is cool that Regal is finally being rewarded with a World Title.
Winner and NEW ECW Champion: William Regal
Michael Weyer: Another good bout between these two as Regal has a good shot but I just don't see them getting the belt off Christian just yet, at least not until Edge comes back and they can set up that inevitable feud.
WINNER and STILL ECW Champion: Christian
D-X vs Legacy - Submissions Count Anywhere
Stephen Randle: See, now why couldn't Legacy win at SummerSlam again? Because if you believe for one second that there's any way that DX is going to cleanly submit in a match like this, then you need to lower your dosage. Now, given the participant (guess who), this is my first candidate for a potential Montreal finish that will succeed in pissing off the Montreal crowd, thus giving Vince a monster erection. I mean, his fanbase will be upset, but at least he gets to rub one out, and we all know which is more important.
Winner: DX
Julian Bond: This should be a very good bout. Legacy looked like a million bucks last month against DX and should be posed to get their first really big significant win here. I think that they may pull the good old "Montreal Screwjob" business and make Michaels "tap out".
Winner: Legacy
Len Archibald: The past couple months have done wonders for DiBiase and Rhodes, as for the first time I have *doubt* that D-X can win this thing. There's a little part of me that says to myself, "self, Legacy can get the biggest win of their lives!" – then Triple H hammers me with a sledgehammer and I realize this is a SUBMISSION match. Do you see Triple H or HBK submitting to anyone NOT named Cena or Undertaker? Yeah, me neither.
Winner: D-X
Ari Berenstein: Legacy could use the win and it certainly believable and justifiable that they could win in a fight that goes out of the ring (and where Randy Orton could get involved). That said, I doubt that HHH or HBK is going to visibly tap out during this show, and I think something wonky, if anything, happens with Punk vs. Taker. So Legacy gives another good effort, gets some believable near-submissions, maybe busts HBK through a table or backstage machinery, but its D-X with the final big moves and tap out to win.
Winner: DeGeneration-X says two words: Tap Out
Andy Critchell: I'm glad that Legacy hasn't been made out to look like a couple of jobbers during this feud with DX and I expect that this will be another good & competitive match. That being said, no way will DX submit to anything, anywhere.
Winner: DX
Robert Leighty Jr: I have high expectations after what they gave us at SummerSlam. I'll probably be let down because of that, but we'll see. The stipulation is actually pretty intriguing, and count me as a fan (for now). D-X going over seems pretty obvious though.
Winners: D-X
Mathew Sforcina: Sigh.
Winners: DX (Combo Sharpshooter/Crossface on Cody)
Andy Clark: While I'm actually looking forward to this match and the stipulation is interesting, it's bullshit that this match is getting a Submission stip. I hate the idea of a Submission themed PPV anyhow but they either need to be consistent with what "main event" means or they need to make ALL the matches Submission Matches. If Legacy were every going to win it would have been at SummerSlam and Submission Matches don't usually lend themselves to heel victories.
Winners: DX
Michael Weyer: Interesting to see the reaction to DX in Canada here. These guys are always good for a fun battle and the stip adds a new layer to it. Legacy should get the rub but of course DX ends up on top.
Stephen Randle: Things seem set up for Cena to win the title here, but there's so many cheap ways in which Orton can retain, and guess which way I'm leaning. So, I'm going to go with the Foley-Rock anti-classic "I Quit" match finish, what with Cena often repeating "I will not quit" for the last couple weeks on Raw, it'd be pretty easy to make a badly edited tape of that, and Orton does have these two lackeys with nothing better to do but break into the production truck.
Winner: Randy Orton
Julian Bond: Orton has had the WWE Title really since April (not counting the minor title switcharoo with Batista) and is slowly turning more and more bastard-like towards his Legacy peeps. So I think that they switch up a bit and have Orton yell "I Quit" to have Cena win the belt once again and in turn make Orton super insanely crazy with wanting to desperately get his title back.
Winner and NEW WWE Champion: John Cena
Len Archibald: There's one of two ways this can go: 1) Cena gets Orton in the STF and Orton taps like a bitch and brings home the spinner belt (which doesn't spin anymore – I dunno why people still call it that) or we go the way of Rey Rey and Chavo where Orton pretty much beats the holy holy hell and Satan out of Cena and he quits. But that would make Orton look like a world-beater, and humanize Cena too much…Of course, I would like to see Cena get DESTROYED and never quit, only for John Cena Sr. to come down and "quit" on behalf of his son. I wonder…Nah, stick to the plan, man. Stick to the plan.
Winner: AND NEW WWE CHAMPION – JEEEEEE-OOOOOHN…CEEEEEEEENAAAAAAAAA~!!!
Ari Berenstein: I don't see how John Cena doesn't walk away the champion after this match. Everything points to it AND he has the established submission move while Orton doesn't. Its also an I Quit stip and historically Cena has great success in those matches.
Winner: John Cena is the NEW WWE Champion
Andy Critchell: Much like DX, I can't see Cena ever saying "I quit." The stip on outside interference gives WWE an out in giving us a winner without making either guy quit and I expect them to use it.
Winner: And NEW WWE Champion, John Cena!
Robert Leighty Jr: This feud has to end, and that usually means the face goes over the heel for the title. I also think Cena is due for a WWE Title. He hasn't carried that title in nearly 2 years. The time is now!
Winner and NEW WWE Champion: John Cena
Mathew Sforcina: Double Sigh.
Winner, and NEW WWE Champion: John Cena (Ted DiBiase interference)
Andy Clark: This calls for an old school bloodbath-followed-by-face-victory. Orton quits in what is likely the last match of the show. Cena finally reclaims the WWE Championship.
Winner and NEW WWE Champion: John Cena
Michael Weyer: When that stip was announced, I figured Orton would retain. However, Cena's been chasing it so long and it's time to pay off on that. He's won in Canada before and thus has history there while it's time to see Orton back as the psychotic challenger obsessed with getting his belt back. A great matchup with Cena finally getting the belt back.
Stephen Randle: See, I wish I knew the match order, because it'd make predicting the two World title matches so much easier. If Cena-Orton goes last, Cena wins and Punk retains. If this goes last, Taker wins and Orton retains. In this case, it really depends if the Undertaker has finally realized that he's not that young anymore, he doesn't need a World title to be popular, and as long as he wins at WrestleMania, he can spend the rest of the year helping put over rising stars that will carry the business after he retires, like, say, CM Punk. But then, Undertaker has never lost by submission (it was a draw!), and it's not like the Anaconda Vice has been put over as a huge killer submission like the gogoplata. I see this going one of two ways: Undertaker wins, or we're headed straight for one of those trademark "No Contests leading to Hell in the Cell" which was so well received when he did it to Lesnar. At least we can hope the HitC has a similar result.
Winner: No Contest
Julian Bond: This will (hopefully) be the definite Match of The Night. Undertaker's sick as all hell with submission wrestling and Punk's work in ROH and in his first stint in the new ECW has shown that he isn't to be messed with when it comes to his awesome as hell Anaconda Vice hold, which he hinted at pulling out again, after not using it for a good while, this past week on Smackdown (..."I got only one vice…and it's involves a certain anaconda"…). I think that Taker's going to do what he does best and puts Punk over big time by losing to him in a too-close-to-call bout. I suspect that Punk will do something sinister to knock Taker silly and will have him in the Vice hold only to have Taker pass out without tapping. This will of course set-up for a rematch next month in the good old Hell In A Cell.
Winner and STILL World Heavyweight Champion: CM Punk
Len Archibald: Boy, did the SmackDown bookers put themselves in a corner, here. This is the strongest Punk has EVER looked since entering the WWE and now he faces a RETURNING Undertaker, for the TITLE, in a SUBMISSION match after just winning the title three weeks ago in a MOTY candidate. Something funny…I don't see Taker winning here. But I don't see him losing, either. I think we get the WrestleMania 13 finish – as Taker puts Punk in Hell's Gate and Punk passes out, but doesn't submit. Taker is awarded the title, only for it to be stripped because Punk DID NOT tap. We get Taker/Punk Hell in the Cell for the vacant title. I would love to see the WWE have the balls to actually end the PPV with Punk STILL in Hell's Gate, not submitting and Taker looking all, "Boy, tap or I'll kill you!" and Punk's all, "Then I'm gonna make history by being the first televised execution cause you'll have to KILL ME TO TAKE MY TITLE!" Wow. That was quite a tangent, there, Len.
Winner: AND NEW WORLD HEAVY…WHA??? He didn't submit? Shit, what do we do? No contest! No contest, dammit! CUT THE FEED! GET THESE CAMERAS OUT OF MY FACE!
Ari Berenstein: I'm looking forward to the action during the match, which could be quite great, but not the finish. Objectively speaking, this is a make-or-break match for Punk's rep as a main event talent. He's already had some short title runs, inlcuding the first time around when he went up against a wrestling big man (Batista) and never won a clear decision. Based on past evidence I don't trust Undertaker to "do the right thing" and put over a young talent like Punk. Look at Taker's run against John Cena several years ago for proof of that. Sure he put over Kozlov earlier in the year, losing just to a powerslam, but Koslov is a big guy and Punk is not. Regardless, it would just be too early under any circumstances to change the title when someone just won it three weeks earlier (hasn't stopped WWE before, but I wouldn't do it). So Punk wins with the Anaconda Vice under some suspicious circumstances that warrant a rematch at the Hell in the Cell PPV.
Winner: CM Punk retains the World Heavyweight Championship
Andy Critchell: Punk is the hottest thing going right now and even with Taker's big return I can't see Punk losing the belt. I expect shenanigans a plenty but in the end Punk will keep the title.
Winner: CM Punk
Robert Leighty Jr: This will probably be your "Montreal Screwjob" match in same manner. No reason to take the title off a red hot Punk, but I don't think the WWE has the stones to have Taker submit to Punk either. Something screwy happens here setting up Hell in the Cell, but Punk retains until then.
Winner and Still World Champion: CM Punk
Mathew Sforcina: OK, so this is how I feel this goes down. After eleventy billion chairshots, Punk has Taker down. He locks in the Vice. He cranks it. After a solid 3 minutes, Taker's hand is checked, once, twice, three times. The ref goes to call it, Punk refuses. He wants the tap out, he wants Taker to SUBMIT, not pass out. The ref agrees, Punk turns round, Devil's Gate, Punk taps, but has enough justification for the rematch where he kills Taker to take his belt back.
Winner, and NEW World Heavyweight Champion: The Undertaker (See Above)
Andy Clark: Oh joy, the return of the awful Anaconda Vice finisher. Taker will NOT tap out but that doesn't mean Punk necessarily loses the title. Undertaker passes out in the Anaconda Vice after two chairshots and two Go to Sleeps.
Winner and STILL World Heavyweight Champion: Undertaker
Michael Weyer: Well, if any match is going to have a Montreal Finish, it's this one. Punk just got the belt back and he's proven himself as a main event guy while Taker's come off an absence and his long-term chances are iffy at best. So expect a bit of a screwy finishe to let Punk retain.
WINNER and STILL World Champion: CM PUNK BABY!
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There is a third possibility in the Cena/Orton match: the stip says that if anyone interferes on Orton's behalf, he loses the belt, but doesn't say that Cena wins it. This usually is the setup for a tournament.
Then again, considering the last two RAWs, they'll probably tease a Legacy attack on Cena, only for Cody (as revenge for the attack on Dusty) and/or Special Guest Heel Brett "Nobody Tells Me Who To Attack" DiBiase to lay out Orton.
Posted By: ThatDonGuy (Registered) on September 11, 2009 at 11:52 PM
Two thoughts in my opinion:
DX vs. Legacy - It's in Canada and which stable is not on the show. Hart Dynasty. 2nd and 3rd generation guys! They're going to interfere on behalf of Legacy and cost DX the match. Then Legacy/Hart Dynasty vs. DX/Cena and whomever else at Survivor Series. Wishful thinking...maybe?
The other prediction is ref bump under Taker/Punk. I think Punk somehow makes 'Taker tap like Owen Hart did to Ken Shamrock in their submission match in Hart Dungeon. They re-aired it for the first time on the WWEClassics moment of hte week. I don't think it's a coincidence.
Posted By: Ryan (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 12:06 AM
It seems like SummerSlam was like...yesterday. And now, another PPV. Hooray
Posted By: Johnny (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 12:33 AM
Mathew Sforcina: I firmly believe that Jericho and Show will not lose the tag titles until such time as Edge and Christian reunite to win them back. Ergo...
I agree (Wrestlemania?). And it would reek of awesomeness.
Posted By: Heyyo (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 12:34 AM
Prediction: One of the matches which is currently scheduled to occur, wont.
Posted By: Guest#6814 (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Just tossing this out there for Cena vs. Orton...
Its well established that Orton is psycho, and Cena loves the fans. So why not have Orton grab a fan, preferably a young child or woman, and threaten to punt them (or RKO, or something) if Cena doesn't say I Quit. Cena does as such to protect the fan and Orton sneaks off with the title in a VERY underhanded manner.
Posted By: Weston Smith (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 01:13 AM
Justin Roberts: "And the NEW WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION....THE RATED RRRRRR SUPERSTARRRRR......EDGE!!!!!!!!!"
Posted By: Guest#3630 (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 01:25 AM
Man I cant remember the last good PPV Ive seen...Summerslam was a Joke with the best match being the opener, Yes CM Punk vs Hardy was mediocre, sorry I dont like a 2 spot match with no flow, blown spots, and refs holding ladders for the participants...Wrestlemania was a mess, with HBK Taker putting on a great but overratted match, all else was mediocre for mania...Night of Champions was a boring mess save MOTY Jericho vs Mysterio, and TNA has put out two PPVs in a row which will guarantee I dont watch them again for atleast a year...
As for this PPV...not even the crowd can save it...Pass...Punk vs Taker? dont get me wrong I like the athletic guys but that size difference is absurd....someone freshen this crap up, find a story that turns Cena heel, have Jerishow flank him, and fuck have HHH be the hero and HBK give us the NWO turn moment and kill HHH during a title match...DO SOMETHING VINCE
Posted By: b (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 01:48 AM
Thank god Jeff Hardy is gone. Probably going to jail too.
Posted By: The Truth (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 03:06 AM
Ok, explain to me why this happy ending theory has started. Just cause Taker/Punk goes last doesn't necesarrily mean Taker will win. Lets have a look at the ending to ppv's this year.
Rumble: Orton wins rumble, unhappy
No Way Out: Edge wins chamber, unhappy
Wrestlemania: HHH wins, happy
Backlash: Edge wins LMS, Unhappy
Extreme Rules: Punk cashes in, unhappy
The Bash: Orton wins but is attacked, Unhappy/Happy
Night of Champions: Hardy wins, Happy
Summerslam: Taker returns but Punk wins: Unhappy/Happy
So as you can see there has been two happy endings this year, 5 unhappy endings and two half and half ones so some people need to grow up and stop digging at everything.
Posted By: ljd smalls (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 03:39 AM
The only thing I hope they don't do is make Jericho do an anti-Canada promo. Just let the Canadians have fun cheering the Canadian. Heels that become faces in Canada are fun to watch.
Otherwise, the only other Canadian there is Christian, and even though he was born here, I just don't connect him with Canada like I do with Bret Hart, Lance Storm, Edge and Jericho. (Can you imagine the pop they'd receive in Montreal if Edge and Jericho were still a tag team?)
Posted By: y2kev (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 03:56 AM
"Winner and STILL World Heavyweight Champion: Undertaker"
Who do you think you are Lilian Garcia?
Posted By: MachoMaddness (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 04:27 AM
HBK shall be tapping to the sharpshooter.
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 07:10 AM
Do you see Triple H or HBK submitting to anyone NOT named Cena or Undertaker?
Yes his name is Chris Benoit.
Posted By: Guest#8479 (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 07:34 AM
I already called making Kane's eyes roll back years ago!!
Posted By: Insane Snake (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 09:37 AM
I also think Cena is due for a WWE Title. He hasn't carried that title in nearly 2 years. The time is now!
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Posted By: Guest#8743 (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 10:09 AM
I could see them pulling out the famous Foley/Rock screwjob as the finish for the Cena and Orton I Quit match. Where as Cena's voice is heard over PA system saying I quit when he clearly didn't. Just due to Cena's last interview on Raw. Where he kept saying I will not Quit and especially during his last time saying the statement. He paused for a few seconds between each word. Which would be easily be able to change the statement for I will not Quit to I QUIT.
Posted By: Sean (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 11:11 AM
I think that Legacy will do something nasty to HBK, HHH will submit to protect him.
Posted By: T-Mac (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 02:33 PM
1. Singapore Cane Match: WHO CARES?! 2. Tag Team Title Match: They should just do to the Undisputed Tag Team Titles what the did to the Undisputed WWE Title: split the championship so that SmackDown has its own tag champs back and Raw has its own tag champs back. 3. ECW Title Match: Regal gets the belt, or his push and heel stable was a waste of time ( like it wasn't, already). 4. Submissions Count Anywhere: So long, Legacy. 5. WWE Title Match: Marky Mark gets his bottle back. 6. World Title Match: So much for the Deadman putting over the Puker. 7. U.S. Title Match: This is happening? Why they dropped the Morrison-Ziggler match, I have no idea! Chickenshit Bastrads!
Posted By: David (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 02:41 PM
Undertaker/Punk > HBK/Undertaker
Posted By: Danny Charisma (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 03:54 PM
Just tossing this out there for Cena vs. Orton...
Its well established that Orton is psycho, and Cena loves the fans. So why not have Orton grab a fan, preferably a young child or woman, and threaten to punt them (or RKO, or something) if Cena doesn't say I Quit. Cena does as such to protect the fan and Orton sneaks off with the title in a VERY underhanded manner.
Posted By: Weston Smith (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 01:13 AM
Brilliant!!!!
Posted By: xtomx (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 04:36 PM
"As for this PPV...not even the crowd can save it...Pass...Punk vs Taker? dont get me wrong I like the athletic guys but that size difference is absurd....someone freshen this crap up, find a story that turns Cena heel, have Jerishow flank him, and fuck have HHH be the hero and HBK give us the NWO turn moment and kill HHH during a title match...DO SOMETHING VINCE"
CM Punk is the freshest character in professional wrestling. I suspect you're just in here to troll, since you say Punk/UT won't be any good because of the size difference, after saying that HBK/UT was a great match.
Posted By: CyberSocko (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 04:46 PM
edge will be back... to take on y2j and show... with christian....
Posted By: mark (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 05:04 PM
LOL B. How stereotypical. Hi I'm B and I spend my time bashing wrestling on the Internet but still watch it every week and never miss a show. Hear me ROOAAARRR!!!
Posted By: LOL (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 05:28 PM
"Julian Bond: Orton has had the WWE Title really since April (not counting the minor title switcharoo with Batista) and is slowly turning more and more bastard-like towards his Legacy peeps. So I think that they switch up a bit and have Orton yell "I Quit" to have Cena win the belt once again and in turn make Orton super insanely crazy with wanting to desperately get his title back."
I hate this mindset. Why do things need to switched up because someone has had a title for - *GASP* - about FOUR MONTHS including a week break? Are you really so easily distracted that four months equates to something being stale?
Also, how is Cena winning a title fresh in any way, shape or form? Cena lost his last title on the same day Orton won his title in April. If you want fresh then get new opponents. Just moving the title from one guy who is always in the title picture to another guy who is always in the title picture isn't the answer. Besides, compared to Cena, Orton is like a guy who is barely getting his first sniff at the belt.
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"Len Archibald: the spinner belt (which doesn't spin anymore – I dunno why people still call it that)"
Um, what else should we call it? It's the title the used to spin. Calling it the spinner still makes quite a bit of sense. Would you rather we call it the bling belt? The giant logo belt? The bedazzled by a blind man belt? As long as people know what you're talking about when you say the nickname then it's fine.
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"Ari Berenstein: Its also an I Quit stip and historically Cena has great success in those matches."
Hasn't he been in like... ONE "I Quit" match? Yeah, I guess technically you're right but touting one match as historically great sucess seems a bit odd.
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"Robert Leighty Jr: I also think Cena is due for a WWE Title. He hasn't carried that title in nearly 2 years. The time is now!"
Do shut up. The WWE and World title are basically the same thing. They're interchangeable. Holding one recently but not the other doesn't make you due for the other. The guy has held a world title twice within the last year so he isn't "due" for jack.
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"Michael Weyer: When that stip was announced, I figured Orton would retain. However, Cena's been chasing it so long"
So long? Another writer with ADD. He's been chasing it for 2-3 months since he had prolonged feuds with Big Show and Miz following his title loss. 2-3 months is only "so long" if you need to gobble Ritalin by the shovel full.
Posted By: Tom Talker (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 06:05 PM
Six matches at regular price is garbage. I realize many of you will defend, but I remember paying for shows that were 8-9 matches standard and sometimes more (10-13) all of decent length. Three shows with separate rosters and WWE can only book 6 matches? Brand extension should prevent this skinny card.
Posted By: Guest#5084 (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 06:35 PM
Yes his name is Chris Benoit.
Posted By: Guest#8479 (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 07:34 AM
You left out his middle name -it should read Chris "I murdered my wife and child and took the coward's way out" Benoit.
Posted By: You Stand Corrected (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 06:41 PM
"...it really depends if the Undertaker has finally realized that he's not that young anymore, he doesn't need a World title to be popular, and as long as he wins at WrestleMania, he can spend the rest of the year helping put over rising stars that will carry the business after he retires, like, say, CM Punk."
Stephen Randle, this is by FAR one of the most retarded-ass commments I've ever seen out of a longrunning 411 columnist. When the fuck has Taker EVER been a belt hog? I think the combined length of all his title reigns, which number far less, than say, Edge, (who was a rising star himself not too long ago whom Taker's never, EVER put over) is still under a year. He's been a main event talent for over 20 years. It's actually astonishing if you think about it. Almost as astonishing as the ignorance displayed in your remark.
I used to think you were "the man", from now on I'll think of you as just "a man".
Posted By: Disappointed Douche (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 08:21 PM
Undertaker has so far been World champion a total of 305 days. 10 Months out of 17 years of main eventing.
By comparison John Cena has spent just of 900 days as the Champion despite having a career that is less than half as long.
Triple H has spent over eleven hundred days as World Champion.
Killing Punk's momentum is a logical reason to want Punk to retain. But it's silly to complain about The Undertaker stealing the spotlight when he has some of the lowest stats (as far as world titles go) in all the active main event superstars in the company, despite having then longest career out of all of them.
Posted By: sev (Guest) on September 13, 2009 at 12:59 AM
Man, this PPV really is full of ego, isn't it? I mean, who the fuck WANTS to tap out on a scripted show?
Randle hit he ail on the head with Orton/Cena. Just the other day I was talking to my friend and I said I could see them going with the Rock/Foley finish BECAUSE Cena's been saying he will not "(I) QUIT" every week...YELLING it as a matter of fact.
Taker has NEVER tapped, and even when he clearly DID to Angle, they made it so much as to make it a draw so Take wouldn't look like a bitch. Screwy finish maybe, but I don't see Taker not even PASSING OUT to a weak hold like the Vice.
Its been said enough to just to reiterate, HBK and HHH won't tap to anyone not named Cena or Taker (yes, Benoit too!) So, fuck...
Just looks like a night for Russo Quality Booking.
Posted By: Monstro (Guest) on September 13, 2009 at 02:49 AM
Just tossing this out there for Cena vs. Orton...
Its well established that Orton is psycho, and Cena loves the fans. So why not have Orton grab a fan, preferably a young child or woman, and threaten to punt them (or RKO, or something) if Cena doesn't say I Quit. Cena does as such to protect the fan and Orton sneaks off with the title in a VERY underhanded manner.
Posted By: Weston Smith (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 01:13 AM
I like this, I like this a lot...
Posted By: Ice (Guest) on September 13, 2009 at 11:24 AM
with the dx and legacy match the hart dynasty should interfere and help on behalf of legacy
Posted By: Guest#9963 (Guest) on September 13, 2009 at 01:13 PM
Somebody mentioned they thought the tag belts should be de-unified. I agree with that, and it would make sense if Jericho and Show lost at some point, only to reveal they only agreed to defend one set of belts.
DX may sell merchandise, but the act is beyond old. Sheesh... At least bring back Chyna for a brief stint if you have to bring back this tired act. Do something different.
Cena's time is now or soon. Not crazy about John, but Orton's act is old now. Like I said in last month's failed pick, have Cena lose his belt to a new champion when he eventually loses it.
I don't want to see Punk lose to Taker. He's getting interesting to me and deserves time to grow. I do respect Taker and don't see him as a belt hog.
Picks
Khali beats Kane
Y2J/Show retains
DX wins... Yawn. They could pull the old screw job in Montreal, but a lot of people see it coming.
Regal over Christian. What's the point of the Regal stable otherwise?
Cena won't quit. Won't surprise me if he loses, but I don't think so this time.
They have a Hell In A Cell PPV coming? Well then, Punk finds a way to win, THIS TIME. Next time, on the other hand...
Wasn't Kofi-Miz on this one?
Kofi has grown on me. He makes a good champ. I just have a feeling they may give Miz the strap soon. But, not this time. Kofi wins.
May not be a bad show. Hoping for a good and safe performance by all.
Posted By: Guy Incognito (Guest) on September 13, 2009 at 07:57 PM
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