411’s Instant Access 10.06.09: WWE Hell in a Cell 2009
Posted by Scott Slimmer on 10.04.2009
Raw’s top talent shines while Smackdown’s top talent falters. It’s like a WWE pay-per-view in Bizarro World…
Hey kids, I'm Scott, and this is 411's Instant Access: WWE Hell in a Cell 2009. 411's Instant Access is the companion piece to 411 Live Pay-Per-View Coverage and features immediate reaction to wrestling pay-per-views. The focus in Instant Access is on first thoughts and initial reactions instead of play-by-play with the goal of providing you with instant access to onetwo THREE writers' thoughts on the show. That's right, Instant Access will now feature multiple analysts for all WWE pay-per-views. Here's the team for Hell in a Cell:
Okay kids, enough with the explanations. Let's get to the wrestling.
Hell in a Cell Match for the World Heavyweight Championship CM Punk (Champion) vs. The Undertaker Match Result: The Undertaker defeats CM Punk with the Tombstone Piledriver. Match Length: 10:24 Match Analysis: Slimmer: This was certainly an unexpected match to start the show, but it may actually make sense given the recent rumors about the Undertaker's limited mobility. The match itself felt like a good Hell in a Cell match in fast forward. It had the form and the flow of a Hell in a Cell match, but each section of the match only half as long as it would have under normal circumstances. There was certainly nothing wrong with this match, but the problem was that there wasn't much match. But here's the real question. If the Undertaker really did have a total hip replacement earlier this year, if the Undertaker only has a fraction of his former mobility and agility, if the Undertaker can only work eight to ten minute matches at this stage in his career, if the Undertaker's days really are numbered, then why in the blue hell would you put your World Heavyweight Championship on him? Lansdell: I understand the logic of not putting 3 HIAC matches together at the end of the card, but I don't know why DX-Legacy couldn't open, Didn't really matter though. These two had a decent match, in my mind better than at Breaking Point, and although Punk lost convincingly he didn't look as bad as most of Taker's victims have looked. I do wonder who the hell gets Taker next, since there are NO main-event heels on SD right now except Punk. Fun little encounter, you have to ask yourself how much better it would be if Taker was 100%. Thomas: Well, first off the surprise of Taker/Punk going on first threw me. This did not bode well for the match, which failed to deliver what I was hoping and ended in what was essentially an extended flattening of Punk. The match wasn't all that great; Taker tried and Punk worked his best, but the limitations were too much and working under the PG Rating didn't help this match, which was a very underwhelming Hell in a Cell. Match Rating: Slimmer: *** Lansdell: **¾ Thomas: **½ Average Match Rating: **¾
Intercontinental Championship Match John Morrison (Champion) vs. Dolph Ziggler Match Result: John Morrison defeats Dolph Ziggler with Starship Pain. Match Length: 15:41 Match Analysis: Slimmer: It seems as though this match may have started a bit slow, but that may be due to the fact that we so rarely see actual mat-based chain wrestling in the WWE these days. Morrison and Ziggler worked quite well together, and the last five minutes of the match showcased just why these two guys have the right to call themselves the future of this company. I'd be more than happy to see this feud continue. I think these guys have an even better match in them, and maybe more importantly, Ziggler does eventually need to get a win. Over somebody. Anybody. Hopefully for some sort of title. Because you can only push a guy for so long before eventually you have to, you know, actually let him win a big match. Lansdell: Despite a slow start that almost killed the crowd after the pop for Taker's title win, these two found a half-dozen other gears and put on probably the best match of the night. Ziggler again looked like the real deal in terms of performance, and his gimmick of a choke artist is now in full swing. He has to have another match against Morrison, if for no other reason than they worked really well together. Plus, there's nobody but Drew McIntyre who's really in contention, and it's too soon for him. More of this please. Thomas: These two guys work really well, and fifteen minutes did them some serious good as they went out there and busted their ass to deliver in the ring. I enjoyed the hell out of this match and liked what I saw from both of them; it made me feel okay with the fact that they waited a month on this match so as to let Dolph and Morrison become more comfortable with each other in the ring. My only problem here is that with his continued yet failed attempts to win the IC belt, he's quickly becoming a choke artist. They need to pull the trigger on him soon or his window for rising up the card will pass. Match Rating: Slimmer: ***½ Lansdell: ***½ Thomas: ***¼ Average Match Rating: ***½
Divas Championship Match Mickie James (Champion) vs. Alicia Fox Match Result: Mickie James defeats Alicia Fox with the Mickie-DT. Match Length: 5:20 Match Analysis: Slimmer: Mickie James and Alicia Fox have earned tonight's Great Khali Memorial Award for putting on a far better match than they had any right to. The Raw Divas division has been alarmingly sloppy as of later, but this match was about as clean as you could realistically expect. Until, of course, Mickie damn near broke Alicia's leg… with a DDT. Anyway, Alicia Fox was never a credible title contender, so I'm glad to see Mickie defeat her and hopefully move on to a new challenger. And while Beth Phoenix is a perennial title contender who could certainly have a few decent matches with Mickie, I'm still hoping that WWE will eventually give Jillian Hall the serious push that she's deserved for years. Lansdell: I was expecting crap, I got vanilla wafers. It was fine but nothing you'd actively seek out to watch. Alicia was OK, she almost killed herself on the DDT she took for the finish but she looked decently effective on offence and didn't make any major mistakes. I would not be averse to seeing more of her, which is more than I can say for some of the women wrestlers in WWE. Thomas: This had several issues to it, but that's not entirely surprising. Alicia is still getting her work rate up to speed. However, this was much better than it could have been and both girls did try hard. Alicia had a few nice work rate moments including the bridge suplex, and they worked through most of their five minutes better than I hoped for. The DDT finish spot was brutal and I can't figure out how that happened, but otherwise this was as good as we could have hoped. Match Rating: Slimmer: ** Lansdell: ** Thomas: ** Average Match Rating: **
Unified Tag Team Championship Match Chris Jericho & The Big Show (Champions) vs. Batista & Rey Mysterio Match Result: The Big Show defeats Rey Mysterio with the Knockout Punch. Match Length: 13:43 Match Analysis: Slimmer: This was a fairly good match, thanks in large part to the return of Rey Mysterio. As we learned earlier this year, you know you're in store for something special any time Rey Mysterio and Chris Jericho get in the right with each other. But I seem to have forgotten just how much chemistry Rey Mysterio and the Big Show have with each other, because it was their time together in the ring that was the highlight of the match for me. Don't get me wrong, Batista certainly played his role well, but it was Mysterio that really shined here. In addition, I have to believe that Batista & Mysterio are the most high profile challengers that Jericho & Show have defeated thus far, and so you really need to begin to who could ever take the belts off these guys. I mean, it's the Big Show! How do you stop the Big Show? Seriously how do you stop Show? You'd have to be, like, a Show stopper or something. A Show stopper! Oh, dude, wait a minute… Lansdell: A match containing 3 people for whom I do not care under most circumstances was never going to reach the upper echelons of entertainment for me, still, I thought everyone involved played their parts and the finish worked well for me. The problem now? Who do you get to take the belts of Jeri show? They seem unbeatable, and the monster/speed combos have been mostly used up. Thomas: This was a really fun match where everyone had their timing going strong and the booking was solid. The stretch toward the end that had everyone hitting move after move was well done, and the pace was built up very nicely to that point. We had some fun continuity moments like Jericho trying to get Rey Rye's mask off, too. The finish booking was solid as Show and Jericho went over cleanly but Rey and the Minimal looked strong. I don't think anyone was surprised with Rey taking the loss considering and this just really worked for me. Match Rating: Slimmer: *** Lansdell: **½ Thomas: ***¾ Average Match Rating: ***
Hell in a Cell Match for the WWE Championship John Cena (Champion) vs. Randy Orton Match Result: Randy Orton defeats John Cena with the Skull Punt. Match Length: 21:26 Match Analysis: Slimmer: Now this was a more proper Hell in a Cell Match. Cena played the Superman Cena roll as he usually does, only this time the crowd spent most of the match booing him because of it. That left Orton to be the real star of the match, and once again he shined in his roll as the psychotic heel of doom. The look on his face as he fish hooked Cena after tying him up in the ropes was absolutely priceless. There's very little I would have changed about this match, but it would have been nice if Orton's Skull Punk – which ended the match – actually would have made contact with Cena's head. I mean, seriously John, if Vince McMahon can take the Skull Punt like a man, then you can too. But the big question now is where Orton goes from here. Is it finally time to take a break from Orton and Cena's endless feud? And if so, who is next in line to face Orton? Batista would have been an obvious choice, but he jumped ship a few weeks ago. I don't think it's time to break up DX, and it's hard for me to imagine what you would do with the odd man out if one member of the team was challenging for the WWE Championship. And without Batista, Triple H, or Shawn Michaels, who else but Cena is left to challenge Orton for the title? That's not a rhetorical question – I just don't know what the hell the answer might be. Lansdell: I loved this match, I thought everything about the performances of both men were perfect insofar as their expressions and actions throughout the match perfectly reflected each man's character. Orton showed ruthless brutality and basically bore out every characteristic I discussed in Thursday's column, while Cena played the FOIL DOWN TO A TEE. I do worry that we have to see this match AGAIN but if the quality keeps improving, we could get some stellar matches. Thomas: This was MUCH better than their Breaking Point match. It started off slow but built up nicely, and the extended sequence in the middle was very nicely done. These two used the cell the way it needed to be used and while we didn't get any blood or top of the cage style antics, we had a definite sense of brutality to the match. Orton gave us the best rope break ever out of the STFU when he crawled out of the ring and used the ropes as a barrier to physically force the break. Sure there was a ref bump and the punt was weak as hell, but it was inconsequential overall and this was a really good match. Match Rating: Slimmer: ***¾ Lansdell: ***¾ Thomas: ***¾ Average Match Rating: ***¾
R-Truth vs. Drew McIntyre Match Result: Drew McIntyre defeats R-Truth with a double underhook DDT. Match Length: 4:30 Match Analysis: Slimmer: This wasn't much of a match, but given the fact that it's only real purpose was to put over Drew McIntyre, I suppose that's fine. I have high hopes for McIntyre, but I long ago gave up on R-Truth being able to tell a compelling, cohesive story in the ring. I'm really just waiting for McIntyre to get a shot at someone like Morrison or Ziggler, so I'm happy to see him put away R-Truth as quickly as possible. Lansdell: I don't get why this match was added to the card, and I don't think the crowd did either. They crapped all over it from the start And although the match wasn't great, it was good nonetheless. The work was decent and they seemed to have some chemistry, so we might as well hope for more soon. Thomas: Nice and short here, and it did what it needed to do which is put McIntyre over. It was a clean pin and the in-ring work was solid, if not fantastic. It's certainly a good start for the kid on this second run in the 'E. Obviously this was the cool-off match after Orton/Cena and amounted to little more than a typical SmackDown match given PPV time, but it worked for what it needed to be. Match Rating: Slimmer: ** Lansdell: **½ Thomas: **¼ Average Match Rating: **¼
Triple Threat Match for the United States Championship Match Kofi Kingston (Champion) vs. The Miz vs. Jack Swagger Match Result: Kofi Kingston defeats the Miz after Jack Swagger hits Miz with the gutwrench powerbomb. Match Length: 7:50 Match Analysis: Slimmer: I suppose there was nothing actively wrong with this match, but just don't think that any of these three guys are at the stage in their career where they're ready to put on a great triple threat match. They can all put on good-to-great singles matches (I LOVED the Kofi / Miz match from Breaking Point), but they seemed a bit lost in the triple threat format. But I applaud WWE for giving younger talent the chance to shine on pay-per-view, and I look forward to seeing more of these guys under more favorable conditions. Kofi's ongoing ability to find a way to win has gone a long way towards building him into a credible champion. Given that we've now seen Kofi pin the Miz on two consecutive pay-per-views, I would wager that Swagger may become Kofi's main contender sooner rather than later. And with his history as an ECW Champion, Swagger could easily be the man to finally take the belt away from Kingston. Lansdell: Again, I enjoyed this. Both Kofi and Miz brought their working boots, and Swagger was hardly a slouch. Once again though I question the decision to have Kofi win. If you want to move someone to the main event scene, since he'd be the logical one to take to the next level. They gave me some fun though. Thomas: This was a decent three-way match. The three guys worked hard and kept the match going nicely with a good flow. I'm honestly sort of surprised they had Kofi retain as I figured he's had the belt long enough and it was time for a change, but I have no problem with it either. I imagine they move onto a singles Swagger/Kofi feud since he didn't take the pinfall and Miz moves on to feud with MVP or someone like that. Match Rating: Slimmer: **¾ Lansdell: *** Thomas: *** Average Match Rating: ***
Tag Team Hell in a Cell Match D-Generation X vs. Legacy Match Result: Shawn Michaels defeats Cody Rhodes with a sledgehammer assisted Sweet Chin Music. Match Length: 24:19 (6:20 of which occurred before the match officially started) Match Analysis: Slimmer: I never would have expected this match to main event the show, but given the way that the three Hell in a Cell matches were booked, this was definitely the right choice. Having Legacy ambush DX before the match was a brilliant way to get the action out of the cell and really make this match feel different than the evening's previous two Hell in a Cell matches. Sure, Legacy may have lost the match in the end, but they had outsmarted DX at every turn until Triple H found that pesky pair of bolt cutters. And when you step back and look at trilogy of matches between DX and Legacy, I have to believe that DX has done wonders for Legacy's career even though DX did win two of the three matches. Many feared that Legacy would become nothing more than Spirit Squad 2K9, but nothing could be farther from the truth. But where do these two teams go from here? I could easily see Legacy once again attacking DX tomorrow night to continue the feud, but with Bragging Rights looming on the horizon, I wonder if this feud might take a brief hiatus so that DX can focus on a team from the Blue Brand. Lansdell: Yeah, the result of this one wasn't hard to predict, but Legacy looked as good in defeat as they would have done with a loss. The match told a story and told it well, and Legacy looked great by planning out before the match how they could win. It was even a good match for what it was! I'll be interested to see where Legacy go next. And no, nobody got buried. Legacy almost destroyed HBK, and even beat down HHH on the ramp. They weren't dominated, they just lost. Quality stuff. Thomas: People are gonna gripe about how this match buried Rhodes and DiBiase. Those people are nuts. The psychology on Priceless' part was awesome, and locking 'H in the ring to beat on Shawn was good thinking. Yes, Shawn lasted in there forever, but it wasn't like he kept coming back again and again. Plus, it let the two look very strong for a good portion of the match, yet let Hunter be fully rested so when he got in and ran rampant, it wasn't a Cena-style, no-selling comeback. Frankly, I think this match was an excellent way to end the show and even though Priceless lost, I think they came out of this match looking pretty good and far from buried. Match Rating: Slimmer: ***¾ Lansdell: ***¾ Thomas: **** Average Match Rating: ***¾
Final Thoughts
Match of the Night: Slimmer: D-Generation X vs. Legacy (***¾)
The booking of this match really made it feel different that the other two Hell in a Cell matches on the card, and no one can sell a dramatic beating as well as the Heart Break Kid. The ending may have been predictable, but I never would have guessed what a bizarre path they would have taken to get there. Lansdell: D-Generation X vs. Legacy (***¾)
Good old-fashioned storytelling with your match, and some passing of the torch even if DX did win. Did everything it needed to do except mow my lawn. Thomas: D-Generation X vs. Legacy (****)
Exceptionally booked and had the arena hot for the whole of it. I really liked the story of the match and it sent the crowd home happy without burying anyone or doing some goofy run-in finish. That's an all-around winner in my book.
Trash of the Night: Slimmer: R-Truth vs. Drew McIntyre (**)
This is a textbook example of a television match that was hastily crammed into a pay-per-view for no good reason. The show as a whole would have flowed much more smoothly without this match and the Divas Championship match, but Mickie and Alicia saved themselves from Trash of the Night honors by far exceeding my expectations for their match. Lansdell: The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Really? We're going to leave ECW off the card because we didn't have time to give them a quality match, but we can spend time on this shit? Thomas: CM Punk vs. The Undertaker (**½)
Not the worst match of the show, but by far the most disappointing. I expected far more from these two and I have to wonder if the shortness of this match has to do with Taker's rumored injuries...and if so, I wonder why they put the belt on him. Major all-around disappointment.
Final Analysis: Slimmer: The main question going into this show was whether the Hell in a Cell gimmick would be ruined by booking three cell matches on the same card. Fortunately, all three matches were booked in such a way as to make each seem distinct from the others. So it that respect, the concept of the Hell in a Cell pay-per-view was actually a success. However, this particular show suffered from other problems that seriously hindered its overall quality. Specifically, booking eight matches on a three hour show is way too much, especially when three of those matches are Hell in a Cell Matches. Even with the Divas Championship match and the R-Truth / Drew McIntyre matches being kept relatively short, there simply wasn't enough time for any of the three Hell in a Cell matches to go from good to great. I understand that the Punk / Undertaker match may have needed to be kept short due to Undertaker's constraints, but I would have liked to have seen both Orton / Cena and DX / Legacy go about half an hour each. As it stands, this show was passable but just not very memorable, and that's not at all what you want out of a show with three Hell in a Cell matches. Lansdell: They had a tough assignment ahead of them to make 3 matches of the same brutal gimmick work AND feel different from each other, but I think they managed it. I was surprised to see both major titles change hands, but that's not a bad thing. Surprises are good. Everything worked on some level, and although the match quality wasn't what I was expecting, they did plenty with this PPV. Thomas: This was a much better show than Breaking Point overall. We didn't have the controversial finish to drive the point home and all the endings were more or less predictable, but the path to getting there was well-done for the most part, even great in some points. I appreciated that they did three Hell in a Cell matches and managed to make them all feel very different, with Punk/Taker being more of a standard match, Cena/Orton showing off the brutality and DX/Priceless being the wild, crazy outside the ring match with lots of drama. Only one match was worse than I was expecting and that's to be commended. I'm still not sold on the Hell in a Cell as a theme Pay-Per-View, but I did enjoy this.
Verdict: Slimmer: ***¼ Lansdell: ***¼ Thomas: ***¾ Average Verdict: ***½
Too much hate on the punt by Orton and Cena's selling when Cena did good damage to it which meant Orton get the snap in the punt he would normally.
Posted By: Guest#8823 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 12:30 AM
you guys vastley overrated everything on this shit shoe
Posted By: Guest#0016 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 12:45 AM
Of course the punt was weak because he was selling a leg injury.
Posted By: Peter (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 12:48 AM
Lansdell, you said about Morrison/Ziggler: "Despite a slow start that almost killed the crowd after the pop for Taker's title win, these two found a half-dozen other gears and put on probably the best match of the night." Yet your match of the night was D-Generation X vs. Legacy. I am confused.
Posted By: Question (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 12:52 AM
'The problem now? Who do you get to take the belts of Jeri show?'
The Brood.
Posted By: Guest#1755 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 01:01 AM
2 stars for the diva match. Why, because it wasn't quite as brutal as the recent matches on Raw have been? The crowd had it right with the "boring" chants, and I usually hate when they do that. Alicia Fox sucks and Mickie James is overrated. I would have called it a dud if it wasn't for the DDT. But as cool as it looked, I'm sick of Mickie damn near injuring everybody with it. Because one of these days she will hurt somebody. She just isn't safe in the ring anymore, and her continued push annoys me to no end. If she was as over as everybody here pretends she is, I'd understand her booking. But she's not. Time to get the belt back on Beth Phoenix, who has better looking offense and is much safer in the ring.
Posted By: Guest#0553 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 01:07 AM
I would like Kofi to get a long US Title reign similar to RVD's ECW TV title reign. It makes the wrestler, the title, and the storyline of who can dethrone the champ seem more important.
Posted By: Bunkhouse Buck (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 01:15 AM
'The problem now? Who do you get to take the belts of Jeri show?'
The Brood.
Posted By: Guest#1755 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 01:01 AM
Exactly what I was thinking.
Posted By: Phil (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 01:20 AM
I am a huge undertaker fan i will admit. have been since i was a little kid. But im really beginning to wonder.. is takers injury really legit. i mean... wwe/f has been known to intentionally leak a rumor or 2 in the past... (anyone remember john cena king of the ring, that prick was suppose to be out at least another three months) in any event.. im hoping hes not too badly hurt.. maybe he'll finally get that long title run he deserves.. but that being, if he is injured.. no reason to put the strap on him... makes no sense
Posted By: takerfan47 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 01:20 AM
WWE's current throw the title everywhere and see where it sticks booking strategy makes me want to break doll furniture. Orton never should have lost the title in the first place. Punk shouldn't have lost it here, especially not in ten minutes. What irritates me is that I've actually been anticipating Punk/Taker for some time, but now it's come and done nothing but make Punk look bad in short matches. If Taker can't handle wrestling, he shouldn't be wrestling, let alone holding the title. WWE seriously needs to stop doing these ppv to ppv title reigns. I'm through buying them because the results are so meaningless, I really hope more join me.
The only reason to order the ppv is because you're compelled to see the results live. Now that the results don't really have any long term reprecussions we all may as well just rent the DVD and save out valuable money. Watch buy rates drop and WWE take it out on their paying customers by adding another $10.00 to the cost of each ppv like they did for Wrestlemania. Screw them, stop giving them your money and give the fans some power again.
Posted By: Rant Hardly Wait (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 01:22 AM
Too much hate on the punt by Orton and Cena's selling when Cena did good damage to it which meant Orton get the snap in the punt he would normally.
Posted By: Guest#8823 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 12:30 AM
Of course the punt was weak because he was selling a leg injury.
Posted By: Peter (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 12:48 AM
Um...fellas...Cena was working Orton's left leg...he punts with his right...shouldn't have mattered...it just looked weak as shit.
Posted By: Ramsey (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 01:24 AM
"Who do you get to take the belts of Jeri show?"
Atrocious grammar aside, are we actually pretending that DX WON'T end up the Unified Tag Team Champs down the road now?
Posted By: Duh (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 01:25 AM
Wow, you guys seriously overrated the R-Truth squash match. Drew did what, three moves? A rest hold, punches, and his finisher? It was so blah.
Anyways, Kofi's awesome TiP on Swagger that hit him square on his forehead, plus the main event saved this show. Morrison vs. Dolph felt slow throughout, and not in a good way.
Posted By: Weston Smith (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 01:44 AM
no blood in HINC! are u kidding me?! u put the title on Randy Orton AGAIN wow what's next? ugh should've named this ppv Cage lol no different then hell in a cell just a top to cover it
Posted By: Guest#4709 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 01:56 AM
Too much hate on the punt by Orton and Cena's selling when Cena did good damage to it which meant Orton get the snap in the punt he would normally.
Posted By: Guest#8823 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 12:30 AM
Of course the punt was weak because he was selling a leg injury.
Posted By: Peter (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 12:48 AM
Um...fellas...Cena was working Orton's left leg...he punts with his right...shouldn't have mattered...it just looked weak as shit.
Posted By: Ramsey (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 01:24 AM
Orton's right knee ate the chair on that missed knee drop for one.
Posted By: Guest#6447 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 02:19 AM
EASILY the worst WWE ppv of the year...the card had no eb or flow..the crowd was dead ...you know when a big show tag match is match of the night (which it sadly was) a card is weak...
DEAR WWE - please bring back the NEW AGE OUTLAWS if even for just one cheap pop...i would love it.
thank you.
Posted By: russo (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 03:20 AM
Kofi was introduced by Justin Roberts as being from "guana west africa" - check the tape...i guess hes not jamaican anymore?
Posted By: Jamaica (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 03:22 AM
First off, I want to say that I think since WWE is in PG mode they should be calling this PPV 'Heck in a Cell'. It would only make sense.
Look for Batista to do the whole 'I brought you back and all you did was make me look like a fool' thing on Rey and turn heel, eventually going on to fued with Undertaker. I don't understand what is wrong with keeping a belt on someone for more than a month, but oh well, you gave it your best, C. Montgomery Punk.
I also dont think the Orton/Cena saga is over yet, only because neither of them really have anyone to work with, unless they start the DiBiase face turn soon, but where does that leave Cena?
It was a crap PPV, I did not expect much else from it, though, Heck in a Cell just doesn't sound that threatening to me. WWE needs to do what I hear TNA is considering and cut back to something like 8 PPVs a month, this every three weeks stuff is killing everything it touches. If they did this they would have plenty of time to build up all of their fueds on TV and let them culminate on the big shows, the way wrestling used to be, and the way wrestling is meant to be.
Posted By: Squid Vicious (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 03:25 AM
"Legacy looked as good in defeat as they would have done with a loss."
XD
Posted By: Bimmy (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 03:47 AM
even though orton punted with the other leg that would still effect his ability to deliver the punt as effective if his legs were not being worked or hurt during the match thats like asking a kicker to kick the same or as good as he can with opne leg soar opposed to two healthy legs
Posted By: richard (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 03:56 AM
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Um...fellas...Cena was working Orton's left leg...he punts with his right...shouldn't have mattered...it just looked weak as shit.
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Try kicking with a weakened plant leg. It won't work out well for you. A kick intended to do damage is a full body move.
Posted By: Guest#3125 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 03:58 AM
2 boring ppv matches in a row and If Undertaker is hurt why have him win I guess for his yearly contractly-obligated World title run. Bet we get DX vs JeriShow at Bragging Rights... UT vs Orton since that hasnt been done for a few years punk vs cena so Super-Cena can get his ppv groove back and Punk can start paying back all those wins he has gotten on ppv ... yep with the exception of DX helping give Legacy some cred this has been stale... well at least Sting isnt main eventing their biggest PPV of the year for the 50th time in a row
Posted By: rob (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 07:01 AM
Everybody seems to be asking - Who should be the next team to face JeriShow now they've beaten Little and Large?
Have you people heard of rematches?
Dave and Reys title chase could last until Survivor Series, easily.
Incidentally, as Bragging Rights is a Smackdown vs Raw event, is anybody else hoping to see Show face of against Jericho at some point?
Posted By: Thor (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 08:09 AM
The punt was weak because Cena yanked his head out of the way before it connected.
Posted By: EZMark (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 08:24 AM
Ramsey:
Cena worked Orton's right leg even Michael Cole mentioned that the STFU was applied in the unorthodox manner.
Posted By: Guest#4383 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 08:32 AM
Wow... there's not a single match on this card that didn't get overrated in this column. Guess WWE fanboys will buy into just about anything, eh?
Posted By: Huzzah! (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 08:34 AM
terrible show. Family friendly is soooooo weak!!!!
Posted By: buzzard (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 09:04 AM
"The punt was weak because Cena yanked his head out of the way before it connected."
Posted By: EZMark (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 08:24 AM
and that's the only reason why.....not because orton had his leg "worked on" or "injured" or whatever. Anyways looks like we're heading for another cena/orton showdown in the future
Posted By: cj (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 11:05 AM
I have to agree with the majority of people here. Why did they give Cena the title if they were going to give it back to Orton? Is this the same bs that lead to Batista getting the title for a day? There is nothing wrong with letting someone hold a title for 6 - 12 months straight. It makes the title and the title-holder more important.
And while I don't mind Untertaker with the title, why make the change now if he is hurt? Although he did look good on the SD 10th Anniversary show, but that was a tag match. Just let Punk hold the title for a few more months until Undertaker is physically ready to have it. God WWE booking so AAD.
Posted By: mogamer (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Really hope they don't stop pushing Alicia Fox. Girl's got potential. She's already about a thousand times better than Kelly Kelly.
Posted By: Guest#6021 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Before they let Kofi anywhere near the main event, they NEED to give the guy some promo time. He's shown a glimmer of decent mic skills during the brief times they've let him talk, and he'll need that and then some if they want people to take him seriously. Because as it is now he's pretty much just a smiling babyface.
Which seems to be the order of the day in the current WWE.
Posted By: Crippen (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 11:39 AM
E&C will take the titles off Jericho and Show... in 8 more months. Till then, they can use Regals stable maybe or, of course, the Hart Dynasty. I hear those DX guys are doing wacky things too.
I enjoyed the show. I have to agree with the analysis on Taker and Punk though; a very underwhelming match where Punk esentially got raped. Plus, Taker is injured so why on earth does he have the title? Very questionable.
I loved Morrison/Ziggler, next match Ziggles will get the title. Also, Legacy look like even bigger stars than Orton right now. They have succeeded in mangling HBK and HHH multiple times where Orton has failed, so this fued is awesome as far as I'm concerned. Whether it continues or not though... I dunno about that.
Posted By: Banz (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 11:57 AM
The Cell was pointless in the title matches. Other than the cell just being around the ring, what actually made these Cell matches any different than a no DQ match?
Posted By: Heel Turner (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 12:34 PM
you guys vastley overrated everything on this shit shoe
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How about correct spelling next time, you dumbass!
As far as the rest of you commenters go, you're all typical and pathetic. Oh Waaah! Orton got the title back! Waaah! Undertaker/Punk was bad!
Maybe Taker and Punk couldn't have a great match because Taker is old, is still fresh off of a hip surgery. As for Orton winning the title, you should have known he was winning it back considering he wasn't mean to lose it in the first place.
I swear, your feeble attemots at complaining about absolutely everything is the reason Vince never markets a product around what you want, you disgusting low lifes!
Posted By: The Man (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 12:50 PM
I was actually there last night, and it was my first live event ever. I thoroughly enjoyed myself because of that; seeing just about everyone's entrances live was exciting. Having said that, if I were watching this on television, I may have been rather underwhelmed.
Regarding the Hell in a Cell matches, I'd say my general note was that the Cell was criminally underused. I can't remember the last time anyone actually used the top of it, and Cena's FU to Orton on Raw does not count. There was certainly brutality on display, moreso with the Cena/Orton and DX/Legacy matches, but not enough in my book. Otron looked pretty damn good last night, and I want to see what I saw out of him last night more often. Seeing this all live was pretty fantastic, but that doesn't mean I didn't notice the flaws.....
Taker/Punk was a decent match, but that was it. It was decent at best. Taker, of course, did his best, considering his limited mobility, and Punk played the shrewd, cowardly heel wonderfully(Punk falling on his ass in fear at the beginning was awesome). But the match did not live up to what the event promised. It was anticlimactic; the crowd marked like crazy for Taker's win, but I, too, question the logic in giving him the belt when he is apparently hurting as much as he is. Unfortunately, I forgot about the match rather quickly.
Morrison/Ziggler was solid. Yes, it did start off slowly, but it was all about building a match and telling a story. I'm not a fan of Ziggler on the mike, but his abilities in the ring are undeniable. His promo skills can hopefully improve with time; same can be said for Morrison. They did indeed work well together, and the last five minutes or so of the match were pretty fantastic. Fast paced, fluid, some nice false finishes, all the right ingredients, and yes, the crowd cared.
The crowd didn't care about R-Truth/McIntyre; the right guy went over, but the match was just basically there. "Boring" chants ensued.
I loved Jerishow vs Rey/Big Dave. All guys played their parts wonderfully. Lots of action, great storytelling, awesome spots. Crowd was hot for this match, and as good as Cena/Orton and DX/Legacy was, I think this was my favorite. Big Show was pretty awesome out there, and I can normally do without him. Never enough Y2J(I started a chant for him in my section, I must say). Batista was on last night, and came out looking really good. I've always been a Rey Mysterio fan, and I was not disappointed last night.
In closing, yes Legacy was booked extremely well in spite of their loss. Before Triple H made the save, they were like a couple of rabid dogs out there. And they were cunning. Very good stuff.
Posted By: Daniel (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Orton or Taker don't need opponents, really, since the next ppv in a couple weeks is Bragging Rights, so they may fight each other, since it's RAW vs. Smackdown.
Posted By: Crow (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 01:31 PM
Hmmmm Bragging Rights:
1. DIVA Title: McCool vs. Kim
2. Woman's Title: James vs. Melina
3. US Title Match: Ziggler vs. Kingston
4. IC Title Match: Morrision vs. The Miz
5. Tag Titles: DX vs. Batista/Rey
6. Jericho vs. Big Show (They drop the Titles to DX on Raw)
7. Battle Royal: Raw/Smackdown
8. WWE Title Match: Orton vs. Punk
9. WWE World Title Match: Cena vs. Undertaker
I started to think about this after Kofi won his match at the PPV. As you can see, looks like Vince was using HIAC to set up yet another PPV.
Predictions for Bragging Rights: All Belts, except for the Tag (Becasue it was won on Raw), change hands; Big Show wins over Y2J giving him a monster push; an Raw/SD guy jumps to ECW during the Battle Royal so no Raw or SD winner; Both Brands are ruled a tie (4 to 4) with Cena raising Taker's hand at the end of the PPV in a "brother, I respect you manner."
What do you think????
Posted By: KT (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 02:52 PM
The last two Hell in a Cell matches on this card were severely overrated and only deserved two stars each. Another set of quick world title changes is extremely questionable, especially the first one.
Guest#0553 the reason Mickie is pushed is because she's one of the only divas to get any reaction at all and she is easily one of the best workers. The fact that she is carrying unsafe workers who can't take her DDT is not her fault, it's the WWE's fault for not giving her opponents who can actually work.
Posted By: Guest#9861 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 02:53 PM
Did the reviewers watch the same Orton/Cena match as me? I watched two men move slower than an Undertaker/Kevin Nash 'I've just blown both my knees and can't walk' match. Keep the storytelling to the angles leading upto the match, in the ring give me well choreographed violence.
Posted By: JAK (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 03:07 PM
you guys vastley overrated everything on this shit shoe
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How about correct spelling next time, you dumbass!
I swear, your feeble attemots
Posted By: The Man (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Pot kettle springs to mind.
Posted By: Sticking it to The Man (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 03:11 PM
Really? your average rating is 3 and 1/2 stars for this event? yeah you overrated everything. This PPV sucked, just like Breaking Point. The Main Event sucked, and YES THEY DID BURY LEGACY.....DID YOU WATCH THE ENDING? Horrible, I don't get it, the match wasnt interesting because you knew exactly what was going to happen and it was all bullshit. No one, and I MEAN NO ONE, should ever talk about how TNA pushes old guys after watching a 40+ year old man who just had a hip replacement and cant go longer than 10 minutes win the world title off of CM Punk! If this is what WWE fanboys enjoy they should go fornicate themselves with a 20 foot metal rod. This ppv belongs in the same category as Victory Road '09(which, at least, in TNA's defense, is really the only horrible PPV they have put on this year)
Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 03:23 PM
Guest#0553 the reason Mickie is pushed is because she's one of the only divas to get any reaction at all and she is easily one of the best workers. The fact that she is carrying unsafe workers who can't take her DDT is not her fault, it's the WWE's fault for not giving her opponents who can actually work.
Posted By: Guest#9861 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 02:53 PM
Sorry, but I disagree. Getting a one second pop when your music hits is not enough to justify being pushed on top. As soon as she actually starts to wrestle, the crowd dies. Watch last night's match. The crowd was chanting boring almost as soon as the match started. Wow, they really love Mickie so much. And her being one of the "best" workers is not saying much. I don't even know that she is anymore. She's slow, and out of shape by WWE standards; not saying she's fat, but she looks very flabby for a wrestler.
And contrary to what alot of people say, she botches moves about as much as the other divas, that are supposedly so inferior to her. I don't hate her, but I think it's time that people start to admit that she is incredibly overrated. And not to sound shallow, but she is not up to "diva" standards in the looks department either. I don't think she ever was, but you have to admit her looks are fading. The few photo shoots I have seen of her looked so airbrushed it didn't look like a real person, and I still wasn't impressed.
Long story short, I agree with the original post. She's had a very good run, by diva standards, almost exclusively based on the fact that she got to work with two iconic female stars in her first year. But it's pretty obvious she has never carried the ball the way WWE might have hoped, because she sucks as a champion. Start phasing her out, let her put over a couple of younger women, and call it a career.
Posted By: Guest#1429 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 03:27 PM
Orton or Taker don't need opponents, really, since the next ppv in a couple weeks is Bragging Rights, so they may fight each other, since it's RAW vs. Smackdown.
Posted By: Crow (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 01:31 PM
I think the press release said that the Raw vs. Smackdown part was just going to be a multi-man tag match featuring the winners of each brand's previous bouts.
Posted By: Guest#3947 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 04:17 PM
Got to disagree Guest#1429. The reaction she gets when she comes out makes it clear she's still over and the fans don't care about her opponents. She has to work slow because of her slow opponents. Contrary to what some people have been saying she has barely botched anything. Yes her match with Gail ended badly but apart from a few a lot less noticeable ones that's pretty much it. Certainly nowhere near as many as her inferior opponents. As far as looks go I would say she's one of the hottest divas on the roster right now but then again I'm not into anorexic divas like some people. She is a perfectly decent champion who just gets no talk time or any real storylines, much like the rest of the mid-card. Right now she and Beth are carrying the RAW division and the worst possible thing they could do is faze her out.
Posted By: Guest#2930 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 05:19 PM
The Sledgehammer is the most over character in the WWE. Listen to the pop it got.
It's certainly got more personality than Drew McIntyre.
Posted By: Lo-Down (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 05:43 PM
I agree with a good 50% of what was said in this column.
Posted By: Dwayne (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 06:06 PM
Word about Mickie James. She's so overrated by the IWC. She's become VERY sloppy this year and she's putting on more and more weight. Ideally she needs to have a figure like Michelle McCool's, with not an ounce of fat on her. Mickie basically does the same 5 moves each match. She hasn't had anything interesting to do since the feud with Beth wrapped up.
Alicia Fox is one of the youngest people on the roster and is getting better, contrary to popular belief.
Posted By: Guest#7187 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 07:30 PM
I don't want to turn this into a Mickie debate, although I guess it already has. But I side completley with the people that say she's disposable. First of all, I'm sick of people calling divas that are built like models "anorexic". Somebody like McCool is arguable, but most of the divas aren't. Just accept the fact that Mickie is overweight for a female wrestler. Her face is starting to look heavy too; she's actually starting to remind me of Vickie Guerrero a bit.
And her pops are overrated. Like the guy said, it lasts for about a second or two, and then she comes out to silence as she skips down to the ring like a goof.
Somebody that is truly over can get people into their matches, which she hasn't been able to do since she turned face near the end of 06. Yes, the division sucks, but answer me this: if they fired Mickie tommorow, how much worse could the reactions be for the matches?
Mickie/Maryse=silence Mickie/Gail=silence Mickie/Alicia=silence/boring chants
Mickie/Beth=silence, outside of some of Beth's moves
And if she was good as some of you pretend she is, she might actually be able to carry somebody to a decent match once and awhile. I can pretty much call her entire offense for any match: forearm, lou thez, low dropkick, DDT, with a kick or two thrown in.
And the reason she gets no mic time or storyline time is that she is a terrible actress and talker in general. Yes, she played a good psycho when she first came in. But I think as natural as she was in that role, people underestimate how important Trish was to that storyline working. If Mickie was obsessing over any other diva, it would not have gotten over nearly as much. On her own, Mickie is just not very interesting, and looks like a third rate Stratus clone most of the time in her matches.
I'm not saying she is horrible and needs to be fired. But I hope that her days of being the default top contender on Raw are almost over. It's boring, she's boring, and the women's division has been god awful since 2006. Explain to me how exactly she will be missed?
Posted By: Guest#7515 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Word about Mickie James. She's so overrated by the IWC. She's become VERY sloppy this year and she's putting on more and more weight. Ideally she needs to have a figure like Michelle McCool's, with not an ounce of fat on her. Mickie basically does the same 5 moves each match. She hasn't had anything interesting to do since the feud with Beth wrapped up.
Posted By: Guest#7187 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 07:30 PM
I think McCool actually is a little too skinny, but most of the divas are not. Saying they are "anorexic" is just another way some people try to protect Mickie.
She is so forgettable in everything she does that I don't even remember when she feuded with Beth. I guess that was last summer, usually when she gets her annual push. I was never big into diva matches, but at least when it was at it's peak, when Trish and Lita were around, I sort of remembered most of the women, and why they were fighting. Of course, the fans IN ATTENDANCE actually cared about those two, not just the internet crowd. Mickie basically keeps a belt warm until they know who they want to push. I think Maryse will win it back within a month of her return, which is fine by me. At least she's hot.
You know why Mickie is on borrowed time? Because they actually bury her on the air. They had Maryse really insult her on commentary, calling her boring(which she is), and saying she wasn't diva material(which is a nice way of saying she's ugly). Goes to show you how highly WWE thinks of Mickie.
Posted By: Guest#4831 (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Alicia Fox is hot, which is already better than the Cena crap.
Posted By: Guest#3725 (Guest) on October 06, 2009 at 06:22 AM
Guest#7187, Guest#7515, Guest#4831, man, just about every single word you guys wrote was 100% bullshit, most of which was already pointed out as such in an above post. McCool is called anorexic because you can see her rips. Its disgusting. Mickie looks great. Mickie carried Fox to something watchable but it's considerably hard to continue to do so with the majority of the current divas. Mickie has a natural charisma and is great on the mic when given the opportunity, and fortunately the WWE hasn't given her anything to say.
Posted By: Guest#1591 (Guest) on October 06, 2009 at 08:25 AM
Lansdell gave the Mcintyre vs. R-Truth match, the same score as the Jerishow vs. Batista/Mysterio?? Right...
Posted By: Guest#3418 (Guest) on October 09, 2009 at 07:51 PM
"Guest#7187, Guest#7515, Guest#4831, man, just about every single word you guys wrote was 100% bullshit, most of which was already pointed out as such in an above post. McCool is called anorexic because you can see her rips. Its disgusting. Mickie looks great. Mickie carried Fox to something watchable but it's considerably hard to continue to do so with the majority of the current divas. Mickie has a natural charisma and is great on the mic when given the opportunity, and fortunately the WWE hasn't given her anything to say."
You didn't defend any of your points and are just claiming your opinion as fact. It's especially ridiculous to claim she carried Fox, given the bumps Fox took and the way they split the time on offense equally.
Posted By: Guest#2703 (Guest) on October 10, 2009 at 09:48 PM