The 411 Wrestling Top 5 10.14.09: Week 44 - Worst Choices For World Champion
Posted by Michael Bauer on 10.14.2009
From Rob Van Dam, Kane and Vince Russo to Vince McMahon, David Arquette and even Rey Misterio, the 411 wrestling staff feels that these are men that should never have been the world champion! Check out the full article to see who made the list and why!
Hello everyone and welcome to 411 Wrestling's Top 5 List. What we are going to is take a topic each week and all the writers here on 411 wrestling will have the ability to give us their Top 5 on said topic, plus up to three honorable mentions. At the end, based on where all these matches rank on people's list, we will create the 411 Wrestling Top 5 list. (This is provided enough votes are cast and are not different enough to cause no clear Top 5.) The scoring is very similar to the Wrestler of the Week as it looks like this:
#1 Choice – 5 points
#2 Choice – 4 points
#3 choice – 3 points
#4 Choice – 2 points
#5 Choice – 1 point
Honorable Mentions will break ties, but get no points.
Also, in the case of a tie, the most votes win, regardless of where it is listed in the individual Top 5. I will also use this rule in the event that one item is mentioned more often, but is one point behind. For example, one second place vote and two Honorable Mentions will defeat simply one first place vote.
So, on to this week's topic…
THE TOP 5 WRESTLERS WHO SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN WORLD CHAMP
Like a few weeks ago when we did Wrestlers to Never Be World Champ, the criteria of World Champion was up to each individual staff member.
So what did our group of writers select? Let's find out…
Michael Bauer
HONORABLE MENTIONS
Vince Russo, David Arquette , and Vince McMahon - I am lumping these three together as my honorable mention, because as many will state below, these guys are not wrestlers. And they need no explanation.
5.Tommy Dreamer - I'm sorry, but Tommy Dreamer was ECW Champion twice. Once, he lost the title on the same day. The other time, it was an unevntful month and a half reign that was nothing more than a token title reign to keep Tommy Dreamer employed more than anything and nearly klilled Christian's momentum. Not my choice for a champion.
4.Andre the Giant - He shouldn't even count as a WWF Champion, but alas, he is listed in the history books as defeating Hulk Hogan for the gold. The whole story was that him and the referee were paid off to beat Hogan for the belt and hand it to the Million Dollar Man. Some idea for someone who didn't even fight for himself.
3.Abyss - Wow, talk about a disaster of a championship reign. Winning the title via DQ… yeah, that's pretty bad. Not even being the hottest feud in the compnay or the second hottest feud in the company while champion… yeah, that's pretty bad. Abyss was behind Kurt Angle and Samoa Joe, which wa sthe biggest feud EVER in TNA. You would think that keeping the belt on Sting would have helped instead, but of course, Abyss got a belt he should have never had.
2.The Great Khali - Oh, here's an idea. Give the title to a guy who moves worse than Giant Gonzalez with nothing more than a yell for his vocals. At least his title reign lasted for some length of time, unlike some people…
1.Kane - His WWE Title run was about as eventful as a bad hangover and lasted just as long. He won the title in a First Blood match, thanks to his brother, and then proceeded to lose it back to Austin the next night. Nobody bought Kane as a World Champion then and I didn't buy him as the representative of ECW last year either, when he won the title in eight seconds. Cleaely, the worst choice of a champion ever.
Aaron Hubbard
HONORABLE MENTIONS
Vince McMahon - Unlike most of the people on this list, Vince can claim to have been a legitimate draw and the top heel during one of WWE's hottest periods, so his short reign was less insulting.
Rob Van Dam - In hindsight, RVD never should have been given the WWE Championship, because he embarrassed the company and killed the current incarnation of the ECW Title before it had a chance to get going. But he's an honorable mention because he should have been champion in ECW.
The Great Khali - I'm not going to jump on the Khali hate wagon; I enjoy him in (very small) doses. But I personally felt that Kane deserved the brief run with a World Title before dropping it to Batista.
5.Stan Stasiak -I know that babyface vs. babyface matches were generally avoided in the 1970's, but I think it's ludicrous to think that Pedro Morales vs. Bruno Sammartino wouldn't have drawn. In my opinion, they should have eliminated the middleman and just had that match. This could have been one of the true dream matches of the age, and Morales would not have suffered from losing to Sammartino. Instead, Morales lost to a pretender who only held the title for a week, being the consummate transitional champion.
4.Sid - This man had nothing to offer besides a monster look. He was horrible on the mic, worse in the ring, and had so little interest in the business that he decided to play SOFTBALL every year. Despite this, Sid was instantly thrust into the main event scene in whatever company he was in and won world titles in WCW and WWE. Why they ever put the title on this "Mind's man" is beyond me.
3.Xavier - Ring of Honor's first real booking fart. Xavier was a young, semi-talented but very green wrestler when he won the ROH Title, defeating Low Ki and becoming the second champion in the company. Universally panned by nearly every critic, Xavier was a total flop as a champion. His failure was made worse because he played second fiddle to Christopher Daniels, who was the top heel in the company, a much better worker and talker, and a man who could have carried the company. When you look at ROH's World Title Holders, you have CM Punk, Bryan Danielson, Jamie Noble, Low Ki and Nigel McGuinness who are all signed by the WWE. You have Samoa Joe and Homicide who are in TNA, and Austin Aries who could have been a star in TNA had it not been for his attitude. You also have Jerry Lynn, who has been in ECW, WWE, WCW and TNA, and Takeshi Morishima, who has been a world champion in Japan. And then there's Xavier, tarnishing the belt's legacy.
2.David Arquette - An actor who was in an awful movie called Ready to Rumble. An actor who comes in for a guest appearance to plug his movie. An actor who doesn't want to be a World Champion because he know that it's a horrible idea that the fans will hate. Hey, let's make him our Champion! He's PERFECT!
1.Vince Russo - Yes, I really do believe this was worse than Arquette. Russo tried to one-up WWE having McMahon as champion by giving himself a short reign. Here's a few problems: 1) WCW was dying a slow painful death. 2) The booking team had already devalued the title to where it meant nothing. 3) Russo has never drawn a DIME, unlike Vince McMahon. And unlike Arquette, Russo actually thought it was a good idea for him to be champion! The dumbest decision Russo ever made and one he will never live down.
Jasper Gerretsen
A small note on my criteria: I'm not considering Vince Russo, David Arquette or Vince McMahon because I don't consider them to be wrestlers. They'd be an instant top 3 if the subject was "Top 5 People Who Should Have Never been World Champ", but it's not, so they're not.
5.Homicide - Ok, I realize I'm going to catch some flak for this, but hear me out. Homicide's road to the ROH world title lasted over six months, starting with the Cage of Death match where he saved the company from the CZW invaders and became the top babyface in the company. Over the next six months he'd have to work his way through Jim Cornette and his cronies before finally winning the title in dramatic fashion at Final Battle 2006. Unfortunately his actual reign would only last two months, with his only major title defence being against Samoa Joe, before he was pretty much dismantled by Takeshi Morishima. I have no doubt that his TNA commitments played a huge role in this, but I still think it was a bad idea to give him a title when the build would last three times as long as the actual reign.
4.Rob Van Dam - I know WWE fans had been waiting for an RVD world title run since he became the defacto top babyface of The Alliance during the Invasion angle, but when he was finally given the WWE title he screwed it up royally. While I actually support many of RVD's views on marijuana use, the arrest was just stupid. It was a minor offense, and I certainly applaud the way RVD continues to take responsibility for it during interviews without holding any kind of real grudge against the way WWE handled his arrest, which is more than most wrestlers can say, but he basically killed all momentum the revived ECW brand had. That alone is reason enough to put him on the list.
3.Kane - This is a classic example of booking yourself into a corner. Austin was on his first reign as WWF champion after beating Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania XIV, when, at the 1998 King of the Ring PPV, he was to defend his title against Kane in a first blood match. As an added stipulation, Kane promised to set himself on fire if he didn't win the title here. They could have pulled a bait and switch with that, but this was the middle of the Monday Night Wars and they simply couldn't afford pissing off their fans just as the momentum was swinging back their way (mostly thanks to Austin's title reign), so they put the title on Kane here only to put it right back on Austin one night later.
2.Xavier - The history of the ROH world title is a long list of the very best of the independent scene... and Xavier. He held the title as part of the major heel stable in the early days of ROH, but I can't for the life of me imagine why they didn't give the title to Christopher Daniels in stead. There's no clear consensus of who the best ROH champion in history is, but I think most ROH fans can agree on the worst. His Prophecy stablemate Daniels completely outperformed him both on the mic and in the ring. I guess it helps that he helped usher in the era of Joe, but this is still a very easy pic for worst ROH champion in the company's history.
1.Sid - When the only truly memorable match of your career involves you horribly injuring yourself by doing a move you had no business doing, you know you have a problem. There is literally nothing that makes Sid special beyond his size. He was hopeless on the mic and in the ring, yet somehow he managed to hold the world title multiple times in both the WWF and WCW. His promos are pretty much an extended series of botchmania moments, and his matches aren't much better. He gets the top spot not just because he sucks, but because he sucks and yet was given the top title in both the WWF and WCW multiple times.
Chris Lansdell
5. Rey Misterio - The only real wrestler to make my list. Kane, Khali and other short-lived monster heel champions had to hold the belt to remain viable as threats after finishing their programs with the champ. The tag "former world champion" means a lot to the casual fan 2 or 3 years later when they forget the length of the reign. Ask Undertaker how his first reign went. ANYWAY, Rey-Rey had a HORRIBLE title reign, one that he only got because of the loss of Eddie Guerrero. That title win was supposed to go to Latino Heat, and instead of giving it to Chavo WWE decided to reward their non-Cena cash cow. Then they decided to ruin him forever as a title contender by letting everyone destroy him.
4. Vince McMahon - Yeah, only at number 4. Why? Because he at least was BUILT like a wrestler, has spent all his life in wrestling and has forgotten more about the business than 99% of the wrestlers, pundits and pretty much anyone will ever know. It was still a dumb idea. Even the excuse of doing it to take the belt off HHH doesn't hold water...guess who won the belt when Vince vacated it?
3. "Vacant" - Yeah, this is cheating. I don't care. The WCW title was vacated 8 TIMES from October 1999 to October 2000. Some of these were due to injury, some to Russology. Vacating a belt every now and then is not a bad thing, and nobody is a bigger fan of tournaments than I am. 8 times though? No wonder WCW failed. And yes, the next two picks also come from that period.
2. Vince Russo - Very few people are as unfairly reviled in professional wrestling as Vince Russo. People tend to focus on his (many) shortcomings and not enough on the fact that he is responsible for some of the greatest ideas in wrestling. Read this if you don't believe me. However much he may be unjustly hated, there is absolutely no reason he should have booked himself as world champion. Now you can talk all you want about how the match ended in a fluke, and how he vacated the title right away...but just look at how long Booker stalls. It's ridiculous. What could WCW possibly do to make their title look even less important?
1. David Arquette - Oh. Right. Give it to a scrawny actor dude who is best known for being Mr Courtney Cox. This guy is going to be near the top of almost everyone's list, and you've all heard the gripes about him before, so I'll spare you the invective. This sucked.
Shawn S. Lealos
I'm going to eliminate Vince Russo, Vince McMahan and David Arquette because they are just too obvious.
5. Black Bart, WCCW World Champion - When Fritz Von Erich's promotion decided to go big time they chose to put their World Championship on one of their homegrown superstars, Gentleman Chris Adams. This was a great idea except for the fact Adams was developing an addiction to alcohol and started to get in trouble with the law, causing him to leave WCCW in the midst of various legal problems and resurface in the UWF. So what is a federation trying to become a major force in professional wrestling to do? They put the title on a wrestler named Black Bart, someone more fit to be a brass knuckles champion than a world champion. And they explained the title change by a fictional match that supposedly took place in far away Los Angeles. This is the act of a small time scrub federation, not a federation that wants to be recognized worldwide. Bart dropped the title a month later to Kevin Von Erich and defected to the UWF as well. It's no wonder WCCW closed its doors following a joke of a match with Kerry Von Erich and Jerry Lawler three years later.
4. Rey Mysterio, WWE World Champion - I like Rey but I feel winning the big belt was the worst thing that happened in his career. He was the plucky underdog and finally climbed the mountain and won the title he always dreamed about holding. That was awesome. Then the WWE dropped the ball. They had no clue how to book a little man as a champion (I guess they forgot how they booked Shawn Michaels in the nineties). He started winning by disqualification, scored fluke pinfalls and never looked like a credible champion one time after winning the title. The feel good story of 2006 ended up making Rey Rey look like the biggest joke in wrestling. It might have been better to let him fall short then to cut his legs out from under him after he won the belt.
3. Mikey Whipwreck, ECW World Champion - Mikey Whipwreck was someone the fans could cheer for because the guy was a nothing, a ring boy, who got the chance to be a wrestler. The vignettes with Mick Foley were always funny and I loved their tag team title reign because of they were polar opposites. However, in a federation where the champions are hardcore legends like Terry Funk, Sabu, Taz, Shane Douglas and Raven, one name stands out as just wrong. Mikey should never have held the World Championship. Give him the TV Title or Tag belts but giving him the World strap devalued the title. I don't care how over he was as an underdog.
2. Xavier, ROH World Champion - It isn't just the fact that Xavier, a void of talent and personality, won the title off the extremely popular Low Ki to become the second ROH Champion. It is the fact that Xavier somehow held the belt for 182 days before losing it to Samoa Joe. This guy should have never won the belt and the fans shit all over him every time he defended it. Joe brought some dignity back to the title but Xavier was bad enough to almost destroy the title's momentum before it even got started.
1. Ronnie Garvin, NWA World Champion - This is the true definition of a transitional champion. Ric Flair feuded with a number of men that the fans wanted to see beat him for the title. From Magnum TA to Nikita Koloff to former champion Dusty Rhodes, there was a number of "over" wrestlers that would have had a huge moment if they won the belt. Well, Crockett wanted to counteract the WWF scheduling The Survivor Series on the same day as Starrcade by having Flair win the belt at the event, so that meant taking the belt off Flair until that card. Fans were cheering Ronnie Garvin as he chased Flair for the title but when he won the belt, it was a different story. Garvin was a good guy you didn't mind seeing challenge for the belt but he was just about the worst choice to hold the title. This was a TV Title guy at best. Fans turned on him in an instant and started cheering Flair. It was the worst possible decision.
Ryan Byers
Note: I'm with Jasper on this one. McMahon, Arquette, and Russo are too easy. I'm only looking at actual pro wrestlers here.
HONORABLE MENTIONS
Kane - Kane's one world title reign (WWE-ECW doesn't count) lasted twenty-four hours. Barring some kind of horrific accident that requires a transitional champ, there is no need to have a one day title reign. All it does is devalue the belt.
Stan Hansen - Hansen wasn't a bad pick for AWA Champion on paper, but, with hindsight being 20/20, anybody who quits your promotion while champion, takes the belt to Japan and "defends" it without authorization, and then backs it over with his pickup truck several times before returning it can't be considered a good champion.
Justin Credible - Some people claim that Credible just got the original ECW Title because there was nobody left in the company. However, those close to Paul Heyman claim that Paul E. actually saw something in the guy. What he saw, I'll never know . . . and, based on his crowd reactions, I'm not alone.
5.Takeshi Morishima - I couldn't stand Takeshi Morishima's ROH Title reign. The company basically allowed itself to become Pro Wrestling NOAH's version of Ohio Valley Wrestling by agreeing to babysit Morishima for a year, and I think that more harm than good was done to Ring of Honor while he held the championship. The time that Morishima was put on top of the company and put over most of the roster wound up being a cruical time for ROH. Within a calendar year, the company lost numerous top stars for a variety of reasons, including Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels, Austin Aries, and Homicide, all a-list ROH performers. This was a time during which the promotion needed to focus on building new stars and building them quickly. Instead of building those stars, virtually every wrestler who had the potential to become a championship-level player for ROH (including Brent Albright, Claudio Castagnoli, Erick Stevens and Roderick Strong) had to do the J-O-B to Morishima, in some cases multiple times. The result was great for Mori, because he had an opportunity to learn how to work championship matches before going back to Japan. The result was not so great for ROH, as most of their up and coming stars were neutered, which is one of the factors that lead to the product's significant decline in quality in 2008, from which they are still attempting to recover. Morishima would go on to win a second world heavyweight title in the form of Pro Wrestling NOAH's GHC Heavyweight Championship, but attendance was so poor for the shows that he headlined that the belt was almost immediately switched off of him.
4.Abyss - Yes, Abyss is a former NWA World Heavyweight Champion. Given that he was nothing mroe than a midcard wrestler in TNA prior to that time and has been nothing more than a midcard wrestler in TNA since that time, it is difficult for me to remember Abyss' reign . . . but, when it does cross my mind, the memories are not particularly pleasant. First of all, Abyss won the championship in the most idiotic manner possible. You see, the big crazy fellow won the title when he was wrestling Sting and Sting was DISQUALIFIED. I used to like the fact that TNA's rules stated that championships could change hands on a DQ. It was a subtle way to communicate fans that they weren't going to cheat them out of decisive finishes in key matches . . . or at least that's what I thought it was supposed to be. Ultimately, they DID change their main title via disqualification, which is a ridiculous idea because it defeats the concept of a World Title. A World Champion is supposed to be the absolute best wrestler in the promotion, and, if a guy wins a championship just because his opponent couldn't follow the rules, he hardly looks like the best wrestler in the promotion. At worst he looks like a clown, and at best he looks like a chicken. Some of that damage could have been rectified if Abyss was given a strong reign after the fluke title change, but that was not the case, as he was done as champion only three months after he won it, with the title throughout his reign playing second fiddle to the Kurt Angle-Samoa Joe feud that was ongoing at the time.
3.John Bradshaw Layfield - I'll probably catch some flack for this, so let me try to diffuse it a little bit of that up front: My putting JBL on this list does NOT mean that I do not think that he was a great promo or a great character during the time that he was holding the title. In fact, he regularly cut some of the most entertaining interviews in all of professional wrestling during his nearly year long WWE Title reign. However, there's a difference between being an entertaining mic worker and being the guy who should hold the top championship in his promotion. WWE and JBL created a great character when the Acolytes' Bradshaw went from beer-swilling brawler to wealthy stock market mastermind. The problem was that they went all out with the new character too soon after he was introduced. Bradshaw had basically been a midcard wrestler (at best) for eight solid years. Once his character changed, he went from midcarder to World Champion in less than a month. Because they had seen him portrayed as being nowhere near the level of a world champion for close to a decade, fans didn't buy it. WWE business indicators, including television ratings, pay per view event buys, and live event ticket sales all slipped during JBL's title reign, which is the exact opposite of what is supposed to happen when you switch your championship to a new character. On top of that, after being a professional wrestler for over a decade, Bradshaw's body had broken down significantly, meaning that, throughout his entire title reign, he was also one of the single worst in-ring performers in the company. Ultimately, as I mentioned earlier, the JBL character did become one of the most entertaining in recent memory, but his physical limitations still prevented him from being a world title caliber wrestler.
2."Rugged" Ron Garvin - The story that I have always heard surrounding Ron Garvin's World Title reign is this: The 1987 edition of the annual Starrcade supercard was just a few months away, and the National Wrestling Alliance and Jim Crockett wanted a title change in the main event. However, they wanted to stick with Ric Flair as their champion for the long term. Thus, a plan was devised under which Flair would lose the title to a wrestler roughly two months before Starrcade and then win it back solely for the purpose of having the title change on what was the company's first event widely distributed on pay per view. (Prior supercards had been aired through closed circuit television in theaters and arenas, but there was no PPV proper aside from test runs in a few markets.) There was one small problem with the plan for quickie title changes, though: Very few people on the roster who were considered for the role of Flair's opponent wanted it. Though most wrestlers want to be world champ at some point in their careers, many of the wrestlers who were approached about participating in this angle thought that, if they won the belt and then lost it back to the former champion in a matter of weeks, they would be viewed as a fluke and have their careers irreparably damaged, similar to what became of "Wildfire" Tommy Rich. The first guy that the bookers found who did not feel this way was Ron Garvin. Thus, Garvin won the title, and the rest, as they say, was history. Though the man's title reign was far from long, fans still had plenty of time in which to completely turn on him, causing live event ticket sales to drop off quite a bit while the man with the "Hands of Stone" held the title. Long before the days of David Arquette, Ron Garvin was the guy that wrestling fans pointed to as a lame duck champion, and it's not difficult to see why.
1.Kevin Nash - Yes, I think that he's funny. Yes, I think that he was a key part of the nWo angle that revolutionized professional wrestling. However, I cannot think of a wrestler who has done less with more World Title reigns than Kevin Nash. His first such reign came as Diesel the WWF in late 1994, which saw him holding the title for just a few weeks shy of a full year. During that time, Nash was a financial flop, developing a track record that would put him neck-and-neck with Sid Vicious in the category "Worst Drawing WWF Champions of All Time." Part of that was due to the cavalcade of lame opponents that he was given (Mabel, anybody?) but even going up against legends like Shawn Michaels, Nash was hardly setting the world on fire. In fact, less than a year after Nash's title reign came to an end, the WWF was having significant financial difficulties to the point that the company closing its doors or at least filing for bankruptcy was a very real possiblity had stars like Steve Austin not taken off. Though Nash certainly cannot be shouldered with all of the blame for those problems, the man was the focal company for the preceding year, and, during that year, the financial issues the Fed was facing became significantly worse, not better. Despite the fact that he was by no means a great champion for the WWF, he would move on to WCW, where he held their version of the World Title FIVE TIMES. The first reign was particularly pitful, as it began with the ill-advised move of Nash ending Bill Goldberg's undefeated streak and ended with the infamous "fingerpoke of doom." Yes, that's right, Nash's first WCW title reign encompassed two of the events given major credit for leading to the death of the company. After a non-descript reign in 1999, Nash would close out his WCW career by having three title reigns in 2000, the first of which began when he was on-camera commissioner and awarded himself the belt. The second ended with the title being awarded, as Nash handed the championship to Ric Flair for no readily apparent reason. The third and final 2000 reign saw Big Kev beat Booker T. for the title, only to lose it again to him three weeks later. Though certainly an influential character in professional wrestling history, Nash could have done everything that he did in the "sport" without being a world champion, and it was apparently advisable that he not hold such titles because, every time that he did, more harm that good was done.
Julian Bond
My criteria for this includes wrestlers and non-wrestlers alike....honestly mainly because I had to include the two most infamous ones from WCW because my wrestling conscience won't let me forget about it.
HONORABLE MENTIONS
Kane - I've always loved Kane's in-ring work and crazy gimmick since day one and always thought that he would make a great World Champ, BUT I do wish that his two existing World Title reigns with the WWE Title and the ECW World Title never existed. Both reigns were both extremely weak and I personally wish that he was instead the one to have "never won the World Title" so he could look like an actual killer bad-ass with it if he won it today, instead of being known for beating Chavo Guerrero in 30 seconds for one title and losing to Stone Cold for another in less than 24 hours.
5.Ken Shamrock - Like with Kane above, I've always been a fan of Ken Shamrock while he was in the WWE. While he wasn't the greatest talent in the ring, he brought something different to the table with his UFC/MMA style moves and his very "unique" rageaholic gimmick going on with breaking people's ankles left and right (before Angle started doing it on a regular basis). But when TNA first started back a good long time ago and they made him their 1st ever World Champ, I always thought that it was a big mistake. I know that the company needed a good, "big" known name to help start they off in the right decisions, but Shamrock shouldn't have been it. Besides having the trademark psycho look on his face, Shamrock really didn't have too many big accomplishments while in the WWE. Sure an Intercontiental Title reign, a Tag Team Title reign, a past King of The Ring winner, and a small handful of pretty good matches but nothing really "World Title" worthly. Instead of remembering someone like Jeff Jarrett or Raven for being the inaugural champ, TNA will always have the ex-UFC fighter that honestly some wrestling fans don't even really remember in Shamrock.
4.Ron Killings - Ron Killings aka the current "R-Truth" has always been cool in my book. I liked him in his first WWE stint as "K-Kwik", his current stint now, and even in TNA. But when going through the history of TNA World Champs, his name (next to Shamrock's) always sticks out to me with the question "Why?!?". While it's pretty cool (especially as a black guy myself) to read that Killings was the first African American to win the NWA-TNA championship...but besides this fact, why was he given the belt in the first place? While he was pretty solid in the ring and had an unique gimmick with his dancing moves, he wasn't no "AJ Styles" and "Raven". And I definitely couldn't really imagine anyone paying money solely to see "the World Champ....Ron 'The Truth' Killings!!!!". I honestly felt that with his two World Title reigns (with one of them being TOTALLY forgettable...$1 to anyone who can name when it was on top of their head), Killings really got the luck of the draw in receiving them...with no offense to his in-ring skills. If anyone around the time who should have gotten a brief World Title reign is with D-Lo Brown. Yep...D'Lo. The man wasn't exactly "World Title" material either, but he would have deserved one back then after putting on some great matches in his feud over the TNA Title against AJ Styles. Sorry Killings...definitely shouldn't have been champ.
3.Xavier - Xavier was one of the main reasons why I unintentionally never watched Ring of Honor for the longest time. I didn't start watching ROH until a few years ago in 2005-2006, but was turned off from initially watching the company due to the top billing of their World Champion, Xavier. I read that great, awesome wrestlers like Styles, Daniels, Paul London, and Low-Ki were all wrestling for the company and got my interest to maybe check it out. But I swear...when I kept reading around late 2002 that their top champion was a no-name guy called Xavier, it made me believe that the company wasn't as great as I thought it to be. Now reading the list of champs...CM Punk....Austin Aries....Brian Danielson....Nigel McGuinness...it's kind of messed up that a dude named Xavier (who I honest to goodness still really don't know who is really is nor really care) was amongst their almost perfect history of World Title holders. Only near perfect....cause of a guy named Xavier....spelled with a "X".
2.Vince Russo - For the record, I don't think that Vince McMahon should be at the top of this list (or even on my own list) for being one to should have never won the title due to a main difference between him and Russo here. When McMahon won the title, he was in a horribly-heated, long-drawn out major storyline with feuding with then-champ Triple H that was pretty good and fun at the time (in my opinion). So when McMahon won the title, while it was a horrible fluke and in turn pissed a lot of folks off...it made SENSE storyline-wise, plus McMahon wrestled a good number of times before then and was semi-believable that the crazy-owner would one day find a way to take control of his own company's belt himself. Plus on top of this, McMahon IMMEDIATELY gave up the belt and as a result set-up a pretty cool "Six-Pack Challenge" match at that Sunday's PPV to determine the new winner. Now to the point...Vince Russo should have never won the title in comparison because...his on-air persona plainly sucked (New Jersey accent vs McMahon's cocky swagger)...he was just a booker and not the owner (McMahon shouldn't have won, but at least he was the owner of the belt's company)....and mainly because his storyline at the time with Booker T truly and horribly sucked ass, didn't draw people in, and the stituation was made even worse when Russo randomly won the WCW Title, the same title which was slowly being booked to its grave every single dying day of WCW. Period.
1.David Arquette - Arquette's an actor. Not a wrestling booker. Not a wrestling owner. Not a wrestler. And not even a long-standing on-air WCW talent. To push his wrestling-related movie at the time and to "help" market WCW, the company could have done so many things with Arquette... made him a regular manager with the then-World Champ....made him a special guest referee for a main event PPV match...and even given him a significant role in interferring in one's major match-up [maybe with costing someone the World Title...which he actually did...kind of]. But making this guy your company's actual World Champion in the long rich history of people involved with it is totally unforgivable. At least Russo was the actual wrestling booker and at least McMahon was a wrestling company owner.
Scott Rutherford
I'm leaving out the Russo/McMahon/Arquette trilogy as that's WAY too easy as a top three.
5.Justin Credible - Lame. It boggles the mind that Heyman put his title on Credible and never put it on RVD who was a marketable performer and a favourite of the rabid ECW fanbase. Uncle Paul always had the knack of putting titles on odd choices and having it pay dividends but I remember watching the a Credible title defense and it being dead silent through out. No one cared. No one watched. No one noticed when he left for the WWF. People cared about him even less after that.
4.Kane - I'm not really a Kane hater but this 24-hour reign was a joke. I could understand it if the WWF wanted Steve Austin to lose the title and have The Undertaker hold the belt but not have the two actually have the match and using Kane to help hotshot the title. That at least has logic. Instead we have Steve Austin lose a Fist Blood match to someone who had all-of-his skin covered bar one arm only to get the title back the next night. It made next-to-no sense and considering Vince Russo was the booker at the time I should not be surprised.
3.Sgt. Slaughter - This reads like the Ronnie Garvin/NWA Title mess except it's me talking, not some "official" rumour. I could never figure out why Vince would cost himself a MASSIVE rematch like Hogan/Warrior in favour of Hogan and…Slaughter? The only thing this had going for it was the American, turncoat Iraqi sympathizer getting his ass handed to him on the WM stage. If that was the case then JIM FUCKING DUGGAN could have done that. I can't see why Warrior would have refused to job back to Hogan when he was happy to job to Slaughter so I'm guessing Vince had some ulterior reason. Anyway, Slaughter as champ was strange and just doesn't belong.
2.Otto Wanz - People talk about undeserving world champions and this man NEVER gets mentioned…until now. If I had a dollar for every person reading this who actually knows Wanz was an AWA World Champion I wouldn't have enough to buy a bottle of coke. So what makes Wanz worse than any other pick? This man paid Verne Gagne money to get a championship reign. Verne didn't have great vision in the 1980's so I shouldn't come as much surprise to anyone that he took a reported $20,000 pay-off to give his friend a quickie 2-month run. People talk about the Hogan fiasco being the eventual reason that the AWA went under but I will always maintain that Gagne had shitty business sense well before then and this is my proof.
1.Tommy Rich - The thing that troubles me about Tommy Rich winning the title was the fact he probably DID deserve to be champ but just not in the way that it happened. Rich was a HUGE babyface star for the Georgia territory in the early 80's and his popularity was growing into other states. Unbeknown to him, he got caught up in a power play of promoter Jim Barnett and was hotshotted the title for 4 days. Much controversy surrounded the switch as it later came to light that a deliberate fast count was employed to secure the title for Rich and his status as a world champion would lead to better live gates which in turn sured up Barnett's position on the NWA title committee. The problem was Rich was seen as a fluke champion when forced to lose the title 4 days later to who I assume was a PISSED OFF Harley Race and was forever tainted in the fans eyes as not being a deserving champion and his stock dwindle FAST. I would bet dollars to donuts that if Rich was given a legit run at the time (even for 3 months), his star would have risen even more and wouldn't have had the stench of being a fluke champion over his head. Fun fact – Rich was the first fuck for legendary ring rat Missy Hyatte.
David Arquette wins hands down. The people that say Vince have bo leg to stand on. He is pretty big built guy and has mixed it up with the boys before, so it looked half way credible, on top of him vacating it himself days later. Arquette was the final nail in the coffin to a once multi million dollar company that had him appear as champion many times and actually headline a PPV defending the World Title.
Posted By: JUSTINW (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 11:04 PM
i have to go with rey mysterio. i can only recall ONE pin fall victory he had as champ. he was beaten soundly and fairly on a weekly basis by EVERYONE.
Posted By: rey (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Only one vote for Justin Credible? Wow. Rugged Ronnie Garvin surely belongs there as does Arquette and The Two Vinces. Abyss won the title in a lame way but he did have some real good matches which is better than I can say about other World champs.
Posted By: graves9 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 11:19 PM
what about chavo guerrero as ecw champ? before and after him, the ecw title in the wwe was treated as the third world title. the undertaker considered it as a choice after his royal rumble win.
when chavo won. HE WAS IN THE ROYAL RUMBLE.
Posted By: jd (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Here's my list for anyone who gives a damn.
5. Kerry Von Erich
4. Ronnie Garvin
3. Tommy Rich
2. Stan Stasiak
1. Mr. Saito- won the belt from Larry Zbyszko, didn't defend it & lost it back to Larry. Ugh...
Posted By: Uncle Jason (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 11:21 PM
I went through the entire list waiting for Tommy Rich lol....
Posted By: Industry (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 11:25 PM
I'd say Kane mainly because when he first debuted EVERYONE I knew either liked him or hated him in a good way. So when he beat Austin for the title everyone thought he would kick everyone's ass but nope he loses it the next night.
And while I understand Kane doesn't want to be world champ (from what I heard at least) I always wanted to see him hold the strap even if its for a few months. If Khali can have the title for 3 months Kane can definatly have a decent reign
Posted By: Guest#4666 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Surprised nobody said Jeff Hardy.
Posted By: s1rweeze (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 11:39 PM
Ronnie Garvin wins this. He didnt even cross my mind when I initially saw the theme for this article but two of the writers above listed him and he is the number 1 choice.
For those of you who werent around to witness it in 1987 I will use an analogy.
Imagine Hardcore Holly in 2001 if he was playing a tough, rugged every-man type face. Imagine The Rock in the same year being the most over, charasmatic, heel champ alive.
Ok now imagine Hardcore Holly beats The Rock for the title at Royal Rumble out of the blue. Then the two HEADLINE Wrestlemania with Holly still being the face and THE ROCK being the heel. Feel a bit sick to your stomach? You should. And this was that bad.
Posted By: Garvin wins (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 11:39 PM
1.David Arquette
2. Vince Mcmahon ECW title reign
3. Vince Mcmahon WWF title reign atleast h vacated it so not as bad
4. Vince Russo
5. Great Khali
Posted By: random (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 11:42 PM
Was Xavier butt buddies with Rob Feinstein? Or was he too old?
Posted By: Fudge Packer (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 11:51 PM
You idiots all forgot John Cena. Clearly the worst champion of all time.
Posted By: Mr. Telling it like it is!!! (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 11:52 PM
I appreciate those of you who DIDN'T try to defend Vince's title reign as opposed to Arquette's and Russo's, because no matter what is said, ITS THE SAME DAMN THING! Vince McMahon is not a wrestler, and no one wanted to see him wrestle(I dont care if he was a 'hot' heel A) it wasnt for his in-ring work 2) it was because of Steve Austin's face work, and by that point they had turned McMahon face, so that logic is out the window) Plus Russo had been in wrestling for awhile and had been on camera, so dont try to tell me "Well vince deserved it more" because that is complete bullshit. I will say upfront that having the title on Arquette and Russo, both were bad ideas, but having the title on Vince McMahon is NOT any better, no matter how you try to spin it.
On a side note, I kinda enjoyed Justin Credible as champ....but I digress
Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Gotta commend everyone who left the obvious 3 non-wrestlers off the list.
One of the better lists I've read in a long time, full of actual opinions instead of WCW/TNA bashing.
On Ron Killings, while I agree that he shouldn't have been champ, his "angry black man" schtick was REALLY well done at the time. Too bad they went all 3LK with him, softening him to the point of being a bit of a goof.
Posted By: Jimbob Jones (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 12:24 AM
Thank you to everybody who omitted McMahon/Arguette/Russo.
I don't think Ronnie Garvin deserves to be on this list.
And Rutherford, in a shoot interview on 57talk, Rich claims Harley was all in favor of hot-shotting the title onto him and was one of his biggest supporters. Who knows if he's telling the truth?
Posted By: Ronny (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 12:32 AM
Killings' 2nd reign came after he beat AJ in the Deadly Draw if I am correct. His reign was completely forgettable though like you said.
Posted By: JP (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 01:06 AM
I'm sorry Michael Bauer, but nobody bought Kane as a champion?? He debuted as a monster and destroyed everyone for the better half of year, he was huge back then! He was definitely worth a great title reign...it's too bad it never happened
Posted By: Erik (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 01:32 AM
You are refering to Killings second reign as champ Bond. He beat A.J. Styles on May 19, 2004 in a Four Way match also involving Raven & Chris Harris, before losing it to Jeff Jarrett on June 2, 2004 in a King of the Mountain match, also involving A.J. Styles, Raven, & Chris Harris.
Posted By: LegendKillerRKO (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 02:02 AM
Thank you to everybody who omitted McMahon/Arguette/Russo.
I don't think Ronnie Garvin deserves to be on this list.
And Rutherford, in a shoot interview on 57talk, Rich claims Harley was all in favor of hot-shotting the title onto him and was one of his biggest supporters. Who knows if he's telling the truth?
Posted By: Ronny (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 12:32 AM
Really? Interesting.
Michael Hayes recently said it was a shoot but I was having trouble thinking that because you don't fuck with with Harley Race....ever. Plus the rematch, Race would have torn Rich apart and THAT would have gone down in legend for sure.
Although to counter, I knew the NWA used to do hotshots when they did the month long Great American bash thing, but it usually went to guys that would have won it anyway down the road and Rich never did.
I would love yo hear Races side of the story but would he ever admit to been on the wrong end of a shoot that cost him the title?
Posted By: Iron Chef Bobby Flay (Registered) on October 14, 2009 at 02:04 AM
If we're counting the non-wrestlers, I'd say Arquette was probably the worst, then Russo. Even with non-wrestlers Vince doesn't really annoy me all that much. It was a very short reign and it was built up as being flukey anyway. He's also a long term character and invested in the business.
Not counting the non-wrestlers, and actually, possibly even counting the wrestlers, I'd say JBL was the worst. I agree on him being pushed too fast and the fact that he sucked in the ring. But I also don't give a damn about his character. All he ever really did was the usual boring insults on wrestling fans being poor and stupid, but he also added racism into it, and then insulted the IWC on the internet. Apparently that makes someone a great character. This is why wrestling is mostly for losers and nerds, normal society does not consider such crappy writing and acting "good" characters. Unlike most of the people on this site, I actually speak to non-wrestling fans and go outside. I remember clearly that even people that didn't watch wrestling had heard of JBL and considered him a joke, and a lot of people quit watching because of him. I know I did at the time. The belt shoulda been on Eddie but from what I've heard he just couldn't handle it, probably because he took it seriously, unlike that trash JBL who should have felt even worse having the belt.
At least Arquette, Russo and Vince had short runs. JBL had it for what, a year? Talk about exacerbating the problem.
Posted By: Guest#0032 (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 02:06 AM
This is probably very pedantic, but I don't think "THE TOP 5 WRESTLERS WHO SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN WORLD CHAMP" is entirely fair. A lot of the guys on the list could've had very good title reigns - RVD, Rey, Kane etc - but didn't because of the terrible booking.
I think "Top Ten Worst World Championship Title Reigns" would be more accurate, since it doesn't change much.
Also, why David Arquette is not number one on every single list is somewhat baffling to me.
Posted By: The Tortoise King (Registered) on October 14, 2009 at 02:25 AM
Surprised nobody said Jeff Hardy.
Posted By: s1rweeze (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 11:39 PM
stupid smark
Posted By: mr comment (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 02:38 AM
We'll rate the obvious three separate.
3. McMahon - Always welcome on TV until the post-attitude era, drew great, and re-invented the whole friggin' sport in the 80's. I'm alright with him winning it.
2. Arquette - Bad idea, bad execution. It got people talking, but this was an example of publicity not paying off.
1. Russo - There were no good reasons for him to win the strap. He was a terrible heel, and it made no sense in the storyline.
For the rest,
5. Rey Mysterio
4. Abyss
3. Ron Killings
2. Tommy Rich
1. Great Khali
Posted By: Gog (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 03:00 AM
Some others not mentioned:
Ken Shamrock - First TNA Champ..did nothing with the title except a short fued w Malice
Abyss - Just a case of bad booking w his brief reign. Deserved much better than what he got
Ron Simmons - I loved the fact that he broke the color barrier in WCW, but felt his reign was poor. Simmons never connected with fans in a proper way and having him headline Starrcade was iffy..the title win was great, but his reign did nothing really.
Andre the Giant - Did we forget about the twin Hebnar SNME debacle? Andre still won the title, but had it stripped when he attempted to sell it to DiBiase. This was to set up WMIV, which Honky Tonk Man screwed up and DiBiase never got his moment.
Anyone the Jerry Lawler beat to regain the USWA Title in the early 1990's.. there were like 30 some transitions over a 3 year span. That whole period sucked.
Posted By: Skiddy (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 03:07 AM
Unlike most of the people on this site, I actually speak to non-wrestling fans and go outside. I remember clearly that even people that didn't watch wrestling had heard of JBL and considered him a joke, and a lot of people quit watching because of him.
Posted By: Guest#0032 (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 02:06 AM
So, when you go on these pilgrimages into the real world.. you talk about wrestling?
Yep.. thems bragging rights alright.
Posted By: Guest#6682 (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 03:53 AM
"When the only truly memorable match of your career involves you horribly injuring yourself by doing a move you had no business doing, you know you have a problem."
Oh come ON. Are you going to forget Survivor Series 1996 just to make a bad joke?
Posted By: Maffew (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 04:10 AM
First off, anyone who read the columns NAME before submitting a list should've included the five men that they felt should be listed. No need for the bait and switch of "Well they aren't wrestlers, so it makes sense that they shouldn't hold the belt." That's backwards thinking, and leads to people getting pissed off at 411, like they do for the F&F when peeps who don't watch the shows comment.
That being said, here's my list:
5. Rey Mysterio-Though it wasn't his fault, they made him out to be a joke of a champion. I know that I'm not the only one that wanted to see Eddie get his second chance and was disapointed at what we got instead.
4. David Arquette-Why this low? he knew it was a terrible idea, but he at least had a REASON to be champ: That moronic movie. Unlike my #1, and to a lesser extent my 2+3, even though he was a Non-Wrestler, the storyline panned out to SOMETHING, and came from SOMETHING, rather than just title changing for a title change, and leading to a vacant title. If you are that admant about the title change for a title change, just pull the trigger on it rather than say: "We'll have (insert name here) Win and VACATE it! Yeah that's the ticket!" Give the guy a break, at least he went through with it and gave his $$ from it to Droz's (and forgive me for blanking on the other wrestler) families. That speaks volumes about him, not the month long title reign.
3. Mikey Whipwreck-The guy didn't even HAVE any offensive moves! At least Arquette made it seem like he wasn't scared to be champ when he's ON THE ACTIVE ROSTER!
2. Vince McMahon- Defend it all you want, but the fact remains that not only did he win the WWE title and vacate it, he did so as someone who HIMSELF (at the time) CLAIMED wasn't a wrestler. And even if you throw that run out of things, he did kill off ECW with his "Championship Run"!
1. Vince Russo- Anytime that someone books HIMSELF or a family member is cringe inducing enough. Top it off with the fact that he was barely in a storyline at the time and you've got the worst World Champ ever.
Posted By: The Outcast Legend The Wolf (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 05:04 AM
How does David Arquette not win this one hands down? I mean there have been lots of bad but notthing like David Arquette.. a Blist celebrity... and he wasn't holding some crap like the ROH title he was holding the 2nd biggest title in world wrestling at the time.
1) David Arquette
2) Vince Russo
3) Great Khali
4) Ronnie Garvin
5) Rey Mysterio
When Kane had his 1 day reign he was definitely credible.. people forget what a monster he was at that time.
Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 05:19 AM
I don't understand how Kane and JBL end up on this list but where's Big Show and Goldberg's WWE Title run? Neither of them did a thing with their title runs in WWE. Big Show is a sideshow act, but can't draw. Goldberg was hugely popular, but was kept away from the title until he could be fed to Triple H. Horrible.
Posted By: Guest#2205 (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 05:19 AM
It was such a shame Ronnie Garvin is remembered for that awful title reign - he was involved in that great match with Greg Valentine at the Royal Rumble 1990... Garvin nowadays would be loved and reveered as a total killer. Stiff worker - imagine a match between him and Finlay!
Posted By: Conrad (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 05:53 AM
I don't think we can sit here and define who is and is not a wrestler. Anyone who wrestled a match is a wrestler, plain and simple. If we're saying that Arquette, McMahon and Russo aren't, we should be able to exclude Khali too.
Posted By: Lansdell (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 06:08 AM
I think it was because Warrior refused to turn heel against hogan which is why the belt was given to Slaughter.
I think thats why but im not sure.
Posted By: dave (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 06:14 AM
Aaron Hubbard - Aries didn't make it in TNA for the same reason Roderick didn't: they wouldn't put up with TNA's bs for one. Secondly, they knew people in LI payed GOOD MONEY to see them. So, in spite of an impending snowstorm, they stayed and honored their ROH commitments. That's professionalism, not attitude. Get your facts straight.
Posted By: jay (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 06:32 AM
I'm glad only one of you put JBL on your top 5. Valid points there, but if I remember correctly the rush to champ had more to do w/ Eddie Guerrero and less to do w/ JBL. That aside, he is still worlds ahead of at least 5 other champions...
Posted By: Scarry Larry (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 06:40 AM
No Yokozuna?
Posted By: Craig L (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 06:53 AM
You are refering to Killings second reign as champ Bond. He beat A.J. Styles on May 19, 2004 in a Four Way match also involving Raven & Chris Harris, before losing it to Jeff Jarrett on June 2, 2004 in a King of the Mountain match, also involving A.J. Styles, Raven, & Chris Harris.
Posted By: LegendKillerRKO (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 02:02 AM
You and "JP" get an "invisible" $1! I could have just looked it up myself to remember, but curious to see if anyone here actually remembered his oh so brief 2nd World Title reign. Thanks for the comments.
Posted By: Julian Bond (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 07:36 AM
RVD as champion was great you asses. So he got caught blazin up, big deal. That dosn't justify taking the title off him. He was just starting to get some traction as champ, so if want blame someone for his bad title reign, blame VINCE!
Posted By: awsome69 (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 07:48 AM
Okay, Julian, mail me that dollar soon. Ron Killings' first NWA World title reign came around the halfway point of summer '02 when he defeated Ken Shamrock following interference from "Mr. Wrestling III." Fans, at first, were hesitant, but given that his promo's were a major upside to the uneven TNA product (basically, Ron Killings and AMW were the only non-X-Division people worth watching), and his use of the race card as a motive instead of an incendiary was fresh, they gave him time. And he impressed with mini-feuds against LowKi and Jerry Lynn. While it's true that Ki and Lynn have carried poor workers to tolerable matches before, Truth pushed himself harder when he was with them, and, in fact, controlled a decent part of each match to build heat for it. He was charismatic, had a great look, was athletic, and had a moveset that was unique to him (somewhere between Booker T and Rob Van Dam sums it up). The reign's end to Jeff Jarrett was even a high-note, as the title loss and rematch a week later were both highlights of TNA in terms of match quality for '02.
His second reign came weeks before the first King of the Mountain match via a surprise roll-up of then-champion (for the second time) AJ Styles. So there's your trivia: if somebody asks who was defending the NWA World title in the first TNA King of the Mountain match? It was Ron "The Truth" Killings, whose momentum had been killed once 3 Live Kru took over his TNA career.
Posted By: AndrewCrowe (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 08:04 AM
Poor Kane! He should have been a decent world champ, they just pulled the trigger at the wrong time and it backfired on him.
They had a great chance to put the title on Kane after he removed his mask. He was on fire then, pun intendeed. Unfortunately that was around the time of HHH being in the deepest trench of the barberriering character, and thus RVD, Kane, Scott Steiner and Booker T all suffered becasuse of it.
Posted By: shane (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 08:42 AM
I am suprised no one said Zbysko. Stan Hansen and Jerry Lawler didn't exactly set the world on fire with their AWA title reigns either.
Put them with Rich and Garvin, and I think that's my top five.
At least Kane and Rey were over and didn't kill a company.
Oh, and no non-wrestlers should have ever held a world title.
Oh, and the ROH title is not a World title.
And really, in hindsight, Brock Lesnar and Bobby Lashley should have never gotten the big one.
Posted By: Tim Haught (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 08:43 AM
I think the worst travesty about the world title was I never held one!
Posted By: Paul Roma (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 09:28 AM
I kind of agree with the RVD thing...I think it was timing. I think it was just wayyy to late to do it. If he was going to get it, it should have been back in 2001 when he was SUPER over against Austin.
I agree with the comment too on Credible and Rhino I would add too.
Not saying the people in the article are WRONG and SHOULD have added these people. just throwing out stuff.
Posted By: Apple (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 09:36 AM
Randy Orton : can't draw
Samoa Joe : can't draw
Batista : can't wrestle and speak on the mic
Brock Lesnar : hurt a lot of people, zero charisma or mic skills
HHH : for burying many potential stars during his reigns
Posted By: Jinsei Shinzaki (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 09:58 AM
RVD doesn't belong on any of these lists, the match where he won the title from Cena was one of the most memorable of the decade, he had a great PPV title defence against Edge and the triple threat on Raw were he lost the title was damn good too.
Posted By: Guest#3243 (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 10:34 AM
I completely agree with those leaving off Arquette and the Vinces. There are bad booking decisions and there are bad champions. Arquette and the VInces were bad booking decisions.
I think that Kane gets the shaft too often when talking about his championship reigns. He is one of those wrestlers who, at any time during his peak, could get a credible win over any opponent - including world champions. The fact that his reigns were poorly booked were not his fault.
My list would focus on those wrestlers who I never believed should have been World Champions.
5. Xavier. I won't claim to know much about ROH or their championship history, but it is obvious from the comments that he was completely undeserving.
4. Mikey Whipwreck/Justin Credible - I'm combining them because I think they fell into the same categories - company men who happened to be in the right place at the right time. None of them would be considered for secondary titles with WWE or WCW (or TNA) - so their World titles are a bit of a joke.
3. Great Khali - horrible wrestler, and only got the title because of McMahon's big guy fetish.
2. Sid - horrible wrestler, and only got the title because of McMahon's big guy fetish while in WWE/F. Got the title in WCW because they wanted to combat Vince's big guy fetish with their own big guy. His multiple titles puts him ahead of Khali.
1. Rey Misterio - his offense always look weak against larger opponents, and I never believed that he could, in real life, beat anyone of a championship caliber. And yes, I know it's fake, but part of wrestling is the illusion of believability - and his title reign had no believability.
Posted By: BobbyC (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 10:49 AM
I dont see how Kane was a bad choice, sure it was only a one day reign but putting the title on him did no harm at all & he was still hot at the time.
Posted By: jbardo (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 10:52 AM
What about "The Chosen One" Jeff Jarrett in WCW? Bland midcard heel sucks up to the head booker/writer and Bam! Now he's the focus of the company. Mike Graham said it best: Broke 6000 guitars, NEVER drew a dime in the business, yet he thought he was a star on the same level or bigger than Hogan.
Posted By: Guest#4695 (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 10:53 AM
You can't truly rate the likes of Kane, Andre,Vince, Arquette etc as champions - these were bad booking, they'd no time to be considered champions.
You have to look to the guys who were genuinely given the ball and, for WWE, take your pick from:
Slaughter
Yokozuna
JBL
Mysterio
Khali
CM Punk
Jeff Hardy
Triple H 2003/2004
Posted By: TheGreatToupee (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Kudos to the few who put Russo, McMahon, and Arquette to the side. All three reigns are horses that have been beaten to death, and yet it seems every list like this they grab a top spot, where they're ranted about they same exact way they've been ranted about a million times before.
Posted By: Crippen (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 11:17 AM
I will always dislike Khali because he caused a person to DIE!yes,it was probably accidental,however,the family and friends of the wrestler have to miss him and all the money in the world can't bring someone back the same way once they go.
That and Khali is just not a wrestler,he's big and strong,but lacks talent.
Posted By: Insane Snake (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 11:37 AM
I definitely understand the anger still directed towards David Arquette's win. It was a stupid decision by a stupid booker.
However, I always remember one positive thing I remember reading in Ric Flair's autobiography: Arquette was a champion at heart, buying drinks for all the other wrestlers and donating his ENTIRE salary to the families of wrestlers who had passed on. That's why I'd rank Russo ahead of Arquette easily.
Posted By: Arcturo (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Everyone who listed Rob Van Dam is completely wrong. Your reason is that he ended up embarassing the company... yet none of you listed Benoit. No former champion has done as much damage to the WWE as Benoit, so if you're going to use hindsight to bash RVD, don't stop there.
Posted By: August (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Last time I checked, most former world champions at least made the attempt to work out in a gym
Posted By: Ultra Gepetto (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Horrible article naming wrestlers who DID deserve holding a world title and naming ROH title holders, which 99.999999999999999999% of the world have never heard of.
Posted By: Cash Money (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Hey Scott get you another coke dude. i totally remember Otto Wanz. the first time i seen him in the Apter mags, i thought he was Wahoo Mcdaniel. the funny thing about the Wanz Bockwinkle deal was that both title switches were match of the year candidates in the P.W.I. year ender. [dont judge me , it was 1982 and i was 12]
Posted By: old school fan (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 12:03 PM
I have to think that anyone who voted for Kane hasn't seen the Raw match where he dropped the belt to Austin, which had unbelievable heat. Or the ratings for that show, which were bonzo gonzo.
Not enough mentions for those who did NOT draw: Nash, JBL, Yoko, etc.
Posted By: The REAL MP (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Surprised to see no mention of Ivan Koloff anywhere on the list. Also, while certaily a historic moment in wrestling history, you can't tell me Ron Simmons was a good World Champion.
Posted By: kid (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 12:39 PM
Tim Haught, you're a moron. How can you say that it was a bad idea to put the title of Brock and Lashley? Because they left the WWE? Then I guess we'd have a long list of people to add.
DOOOOUUUUCCCHHHE!
Posted By: Big Fat Fag (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Really Kane should have had at least a little run with the belt. He was over at the time and he's decent in the ring. (By that I mean he doesn't embarass himself like alot of the bigger wrestlers do. He isn't going to carry David Flair to a decent match but he doesn't stink up the join either.) I mean if you can give the belt to IGW Punk who is boring and has problems just doing his finisher you'd think they could give Kane something.
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 01:38 PM
Jasper- I agree that Homicide's title reign was uneventful, but his build up was one of the best written title chase's in recent history. There aren't many instances of long angles actually managing to deliver in their payoff, which makes what Homicide accomplished by keeping the crowd behind him from Cage of Death to Final Battle quite impressive. Final Battle '06 was what Starcade '97 should have been.
The problem was that Homicide turned out to be a Sting/Warrior type of champion, where his thrill was all in the chase. The booking on his way to the title was so good that there just wasn't anywhere to go after. I don't think this necesarilly made him any worse of a champion, it just meant he would have to pass the title sooner than later. He accomplished quite a bit as champion by ending Danielson's long reign (which had to be done do to injury) and kicking off a new direction in the company by dropping the title to Morishima. Speaking of whom...
Ryan- I confess to enjoying Morishima's reign. I understand how it could be perceived as hurting ROH while benefitting NOAH, but I think it was a really good idea. ROH hadn't had a monster champ since Joe and it really needed something new after finishing two of its best angles ever (CZW invasion and Road of Homicide). After a couple years of technical matches dominating the World Title scene (with champs like Aries and Noble) there was now a completely different element in the main event picture.
I don't think anyone was too buried by Morishima, as guys like Albright, Stevens, Castagnoli, etc... got to put on matches where they came close to defeating the monster, but couldn't quite overcome him. It also gave us one of the hottest feuds of the year when Danielson returned and put on the best big man/little man matches of the year against him, getting Dragon super-over in the process.
The one mistake I would say they made with 'Shima was giving McGuiness so many challenges before he finally won the title. I think the payoff would have been outstanding if they'd kept them apart and had McGuiness come out of nowhere to finally slay the beast when no one else could rather than just wearing him down after a series of defeats.
Posted By: Lance O' Leary (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 01:56 PM
They COULD have had the Ronnie Garvin thing work, he was popular benough, but they had him win and then announced he was taking two months off to train for the rematch or something to that effect. If they had some matches on TV, maybe like against Brad Armstrong, or Ivan Koloff, someone in Paul Jones camp or something. The bigger names wouldn't have had to lose to him, and he could have built up credibility, but no they just took him off TV until the rematch, didn't make much sense.
Posted By: piperfan01 (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 01:57 PM
Leaving in Russo, McMahon and Arquette makes the list too easy, so here's who I'd go with:
5: Sid. The only times he got the opportunity to run with the ball were when the companies were down, and both times he stunk up the joint. Even Bret Hart coudln't carry him to a decent title defense.
4. Chris Benoit. Aside from the obvious reasons, Benoit was a complete failure as a champion. As well booked as the buildup to his title victory, and as good of a moment at WMXX was, the actual title run was a joke, with Benoit playing second fiddle to the HHH/HBK story.
3. Hulk Hogan (5th WWF Title). If you go by specific reigns, Hogan's last WWF title before his departure has to count, as he beat Yokozuna in 90 seconds to close out WM 9, thus screwing both Yoko and Bret, and then did not defend it until KOTR.
2. Steve Corino: An ECW midcarder finally gets some heat, so Heyman thinks it's a good time to give him the belt before the company closes its doors.
1. Justin Credible: I can't imagine a "legitimate" champion worse than Credible. He was a black hole of heat, and a mediocre worker at that. Yes, he could take decent bumps, but that's about it. If you want to point to a reason why ECW went under, letting Credible have the title for five months in 2000 was the perfect reason.
Posted By: Michael L (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 02:22 PM
While I've never hate on Arquet as a person, since he did not even want to have the belt placed on him, but this, thats just AAA classy. really, really makes me smile today.
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However, I always remember one positive thing I remember reading in Ric Flair's autobiography: Arquette was a champion at heart, buying drinks for all the other wrestlers and donating his ENTIRE salary to the families of wrestlers who had passed on. That's why I'd rank Russo ahead of Arquette easily.
Posted By: 16s (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 02:45 PM
I really don't understand how people like Kane or Tommy Dreamer (w/ regards to his 1st ECW reign) can be considered good or bad since they never had a chance to show what they could do as champ. Kane's reign was clearly an angle in and of itself, and never designed to showcase him in the top spot. Dreamer's 1st reign was done out of necessity, and again, it was purely angle-based.
Bad champs are people who hold the belt for extended periods of time and clearly devalue the belt, like HHH during his reign(s) of terror in 2003, or Justin Credible who had no heat at all and wasn't even remotely believable as the top guy.
Posted By: zappafrank (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 03:04 PM
Ron Garvin wasn't a transitional champ. You can't transition the title back to the person who lost it. Dreamer in ECW in 2000 was a transitional champ, to get the belt from Tazz to Credible. Jillian was a transitional champ, to get the belt from Mickey to Melina. It makes no sense to say Garvin was a transitional champ to get the belt from Flair to Flair.
Posted By: zappafrank (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 03:07 PM
That was a very interesting article overall although I would have liked it even more if Arquette, Russo and McMahon were exempt from being chosen since non-wrestlers winning World wrestling titles is such an easy choice.
Posted By: Ron Mexico (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 03:12 PM
4. Chris Benoit. Aside from the obvious reasons, Benoit was a complete failure as a champion. As well booked as the buildup to his title victory, and as good of a moment at WMXX was, the actual title run was a joke, with Benoit playing second fiddle to the HHH/HBK story.
Posted By: Michael L (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 02:22 PM
Are you kidding me? Benoit went over Michaels, went over Triple H/Michaels again, went over Triple H, went over Triple H in an Iron Man match, went over Kane, and finally put Orton over convincingly at Summerslam (bad booking followed, but Benoit gave him a good start). I can understand if you call him a bad champ for the obvious reasons, but I don't see how you can call that kind of reign a joke. I really wish more guys were allowed to hold the title from Wrestlemania to Summerslam. It would be a lot better than the current use of the title as a way of denoting WWE's Employee of the Month.
Posted By: Duff McShark (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 03:18 PM
in no way should vince be on this list! the guy was one of the top 3 stars at the time he won it and he's vince mcmahon!
Posted By: angel street (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 03:19 PM
Really Kane should have had at least a little run with the belt. He was over at the time and he's decent in the ring. (By that I mean he doesn't embarass himself like alot of the bigger wrestlers do. He isn't going to carry David Flair to a decent match but he doesn't stink up the join either.) I mean if you can give the belt to IGW Punk who is boring and has problems just doing his finisher you'd think they could give Kane something.
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 01:38 PM
I agree with Kane being on this list, but I also think it might have been different if they'd just let Kane hold the belt for a couple months rather than doing to 24 hour switch. Kane was an effective monster at the time adn they probably could have built to a nice Summerslam rematch. The 1 day reign just makes it seem like a wasted induction into the lineage however, although I don't really feel like considering his ECW run as an addition to his championship credibility.
Also, what is this IGW Punk thing? I don't think he's boring and we know that even when his finisher looks bad it can legitimately break a face, but I'm curious what this IGW slander is supposed to mean.
Posted By: the New Haven Nuisance (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 03:25 PM
'4.Andre the Giant - He shouldn't even count as a WWF Champion,'
- Good thing he doesn't then. He's not considered an official world champion.
Posted By: Guest#9288 (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 04:09 PM
I wish Kane would have held on to the belt for more than a day. The old, masked-monster Kane kicked all ass. Now he sucks.
Posted By: Zingy (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 04:35 PM
"'4.Andre the Giant - He shouldn't even count as a WWF Champion,'
- Good thing he doesn't then. He's not considered an official world champion."
FAIL.
Posted By: zappafrank (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 05:29 PM
top five worst world champions
little rey mestrio
larry z
andre the giant
tommy rich
triple h
Posted By: ek187 (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 05:31 PM
5. Triple H (from the ego driven broken down muscle man era with victories over Kane, Booker T and everyone else)
4. Rey Misterio (bad booking because Vinnie Mac loves big boys)
3. Rndy Orton (snials move faster, psychology in the ring doesn't compensate for total lack of movement)
2. Yokozuna (Vinnie Mac loves his big men, but nearly a year of tubby lard arse - please)
1. John Cena (the Hulk Hogan of today, loved by kids, women and men who want to be street - hated like the fucktard he is by everyone else)
Posted By: JAK (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 05:40 PM
It seemed to me that this article isn't about worst CHAMPIONS,
It's about worst CHOICES for champion.
There's a difference.
Xavier over Daniels was a bad choice.
The Great Khali over anyone else was a bad choice.
Jeff Hardy and Chris Benoit were not bad choices. They were over and/or had good buildup.
Posted By: Heyyo (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 06:12 PM
First of all Andrew Barbarash, if you look at the history of ROH champions then you will see that there are no 600 pound sumo wrestlers, "giants", or corpse rapers in the group. I have to cast a vote for old Verne Gagne, with is gross bald head and his disgusting old man legs..........YUCK
Posted By: kingave66 (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 06:18 PM
rvd killed ecw? it was dead long before that. tommy dreamer? give the guy a break. he got the title cuz they had to give it to someone associated with ecw instead of christian, that blonde popsicle stick. vinny mac? simply cuz he's a douche. rey? cuz eddie died, pure and simple. kane i have no explanation for
Posted By: harley richard (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 07:02 PM
Just for the record, Bruno Sammartino DID wrestle Pedro Morales for the title. 1 hr time limit draw at Shea Stadium.
Posted By: ronevsorg (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 07:07 PM
Brock Lesnar invalid?
Regrettable.
(His IWGP reigns cannot help laughing)
Posted By: myspace.com/ichifuji (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 07:41 PM
Worst World Champion was Kane in my opinion. His ECW reign was better, though.
Posted By: Bimmy (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 08:00 PM
Okay, Julian, mail me that dollar soon. Ron Killings' first NWA World title reign came around the halfway point of summer '02 when he defeated Ken Shamrock following interference from "Mr. Wrestling III." Fans, at first, were hesitant, but given that his promo's were a major upside to the uneven TNA product (basically, Ron Killings and AMW were the only non-X-Division people worth watching), and his use of the race card as a motive instead of an incendiary was fresh, they gave him time. And he impressed with mini-feuds against LowKi and Jerry Lynn. While it's true that Ki and Lynn have carried poor workers to tolerable matches before, Truth pushed himself harder when he was with them, and, in fact, controlled a decent part of each match to build heat for it. He was charismatic, had a great look, was athletic, and had a moveset that was unique to him (somewhere between Booker T and Rob Van Dam sums it up). The reign's end to Jeff Jarrett was even a high-note, as the title loss and rematch a week later were both highlights of TNA in terms of match quality for '02.
His second reign came weeks before the first King of the Mountain match via a surprise roll-up of then-champion (for the second time) AJ Styles. So there's your trivia: if somebody asks who was defending the NWA World title in the first TNA King of the Mountain match? It was Ron "The Truth" Killings, whose momentum had been killed once 3 Live Kru took over his TNA career.
Posted By: AndrewCrowe (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 08:04 AM
If I wasn't broke as all holy hell I would honor that $1 good sir!
I totally agree with you on your thoughts about Killings. I did and still do think that he's pretty solid in the ring and in TNA he was a pretty good heel and then a good face that is totally like his "R-Truth" character today. BUT again I say that TNA could have placed the belt on someone a bit more talented in the ring lik D-Lo Brown at the time...but now thinking about it more maybe TNA was attempting to get some "new" talent over with Killings instead of keeping it on Jarrett or Raven.
Posted By: Julian Bond (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 08:01 PM
Leave Nash alone or i'll smash you're bitch ass.
Posted By: NickNitr0 (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 08:01 PM
john cenaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa never did a blip in the tv ratings.
Posted By: Guest#3795 (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 08:07 PM
Are you freaking serious? JBL? Gotta disagree with you there. JBL was the right man at the right time and the people hated him. Now, in YOUR OPINION, he may be one of the worst, but it worked at the time.
Nash I don't agree with either, but I can understand it at least.
Abyss was pretty much to reward the guy for busting his ass for the company, so if you're gonna claim him, you might as well add Foley too. Both were deserving in my opinion.
Rey was probably the worst. Not because he isn't good in the ring. The people love him. He just has zero credibility as world champ. Might as well have made Chavo the champ if we're gonna do the whole "Doing it for Eddie" thing. At least he was related to him.
I guess it just boils down to who you like and don't like, and we all have our own opinions about that.
Posted By: Guy Incognito (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 09:19 PM
This has been your lead story for like half a day now and you STILL haven't fixed the obvious sloppy errors in your teaser! It's a fucking insult to literate wrestling fans everywhere! MISTERIO?! REALLY??
Posted By: C'mon!! (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 09:31 PM
Worst Champions based on promotion.
WWE:
Sid
Kane
Vince McMahon
JBL
great khali
NWA:
Tommy Rich
Carlos Colon
Gary Steele
Mike Rapada
Dan Severn
WCW:
Sid
Randy Savage
David Arquette
Vince Russo
Scott Steiner
AWA:
Otto Wanz
Rick Martel
Jerry Lawler
Larry Zbyszko
Mr. Saito
ECW:
Johnny Hot Body
Mike Awesome
Tommy Dreamer
Vince McMahom
Chavo Guerrero Jr.
Posted By: Wojcik (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 09:35 PM
I'm surprised to see Black Bart listed here, not because he doesn't deserve it, but because the wrestling community (which for me was basically PWI, the Wrestler and Inside Wrestling magazines) didn't acknowledge the WCCW title as a world title.
When Black Bart was announced as the World Champion, my first reaction was "who?" I don't ever recall Bart wrestling in WCCW and it would have been better for the fans to accept a heel we all knew than one we have never heard of. That was a big mistake for WCCW.
Yet since you listed Bart and the WCCW as a world title, do you recognize Iceman King Parsons as the first black person to win a World Title? I remember watching a Morton Downey Jr show and the guests were very adamant that Parsons was the first Black World Champ.
Posted By: TNA Mark (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 11:18 PM
"RVD as champion was great you asses. So he got caught blazin up, big deal."
Not "big." "One-shot"
Posted By: Guest#7972 (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 11:35 PM
I too am leaving out McMahon, Russo, and Arquette and I will say this:
My top 5...
Honorable Mentions
-CM Punk (WWE 2008)
- Triple H (WWE 2002-present)
-Batista (WWE 2006-present)
5. JBL (WWE)
4. Rey Mysterio (WWE)
3. Kevin Nash (WWF/WCW)
2. The Great Khali (WWE)
1. Kane (WWF)
Posted By: Da Pecke (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 11:42 PM
Also, what is this IGW Punk thing? I don't think he's boring and we know that even when his finisher looks bad it can legitimately break a face, but I'm curious what this IGW slander is supposed to mean.
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IGW = Indy Garbage Wrestler. True, his finisher can legitimately break a nose. However you're making my point. He legitimately broke someone's nose because he can't control his own finisher. I mean basically his finisher is a press slam into a knee but he's just not a power wrestler and he's no where near strong enough to even press a large number of his opponents, let alone control them safely. (It's gotten to the point where they'd do off angle shots of it so it was harder to notice he was blowing it.) Like I always say, I'll be happy when he gets future endeavored.
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on October 15, 2009 at 12:38 AM
IGW = Indy Garbage Wrestler. True, his finisher can legitimately break a nose. However you're making my point. He legitimately broke someone's nose because he can't control his own finisher. I mean basically his finisher is a press slam into a knee but he's just not a power wrestler and he's no where near strong enough to even press a large number of his opponents, let alone control them safely. (It's gotten to the point where they'd do off angle shots of it so it was harder to notice he was blowing it.) Like I always say, I'll be happy when he gets future endeavored.
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on October 15, 2009 at 12:38 AM
So, I'll guess that you will never be haapy then.
Posted By: Guest#9696 (Guest) on October 15, 2009 at 09:44 AM
Also, what is this IGW Punk thing? I don't think he's boring and we know that even when his finisher looks bad it can legitimately break a face, but I'm curious what this IGW slander is supposed to mean.
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IGW = Indy Garbage Wrestler. True, his finisher can legitimately break a nose. However you're making my point. He legitimately broke someone's nose because he can't control his own finisher. I mean basically his finisher is a press slam into a knee but he's just not a power wrestler and he's no where near strong enough to even press a large number of his opponents, let alone control them safely. (It's gotten to the point where they'd do off angle shots of it so it was harder to notice he was blowing it.) Like I always say, I'll be happy when he gets future endeavored.
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on October 15, 2009 at 12:38 AM
Do you really always say that?
Posted By: Heyyo (Guest) on October 15, 2009 at 10:10 AM
I was under the impression that it stood for International Goat Wrangler (lol) or Incognito Gorilla Watcher (rotfl). How about Impressively Good Wrestler, that's apt. From now on that's how I shall read that acronym.
Posted By: Lil' Punker (Guest) on October 15, 2009 at 05:04 PM
So, I'll guess that you will never be haapy then.
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No, like I said I'll be quite happy when he gets future endevoured. Then he can go back to what he's good at, wrestling in high school auditoriums against talents like Justin Credible.
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on October 16, 2009 at 12:24 AM
I was under the impression that it stood for International Goat Wrangler (lol) or Incognito Gorilla Watcher (rotfl). How about Impressively Good Wrestler, that's apt. From now on that's how I shall read that acronym.
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You know I can always go back to calling him X-Pac 2.0 but that seems to upset the IWC.
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on October 16, 2009 at 12:26 AM
How come Foley's not mentioned on this list? now before I get branded as a heathen or whatever by any Foley makrs, but c'mon, when he won the title in TNA, I was like'WTF? This is shit.'
I'd even say in the E as Mankind, but he had some great matches with the Rock.
I'm not going to say Cena--I'm deciding for once not to take the piss to him, nor am i going to go with Arquette and the Two Vinces.
I disagree with RVD and JBL.
Posted By: CC Fanboy (Guest) on October 18, 2009 at 05:52 PM
okay seriously guys before you write an article at least check your facts. There was a perfectly logical reason kevin nash handed the title to flair. flair had previously won the title from jarrett. they vacated the title when flair had an inner ear problem (had it once before, it was the reason why he dropped the wwe title prematurely), regardless jarrett got the title back. nash beat jarrett. nash proceeded to do the right thing if you will and give the title back to flair since he'd never actually lost the title. For the record none of those reigns recognized
Posted By: nick (Guest) on November 19, 2009 at 08:43 PM
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