411s Wrestler of the Week 10.19.09: Week 29
Posted by Jasper Gerretsen on 10.19.2009
Bound for Glory is in the books, rookies have a great week in WWE, CHIKARA holds its annual Cibernetico tournament and NOAH kicks off its first Junior Heavyweight League. Check out the latest edition of 411's Wrestler of the Week for all the details and for an updated look at the Year-End standings!
Welcome to Week 29, Year FIVE, of 411's Wrestler of the Week. A quick overview of the rules to kick things off for us as a reminder
Each writer chooses FIVE wrestlers from any promotion and each wrestler gets a point total attached to that ranking. It looks a little like this
Then we tally up the votes and the official 411 Wrestler of the Week is crowned. But wait, there's more! Each week the top SIX vote getters get a points value for their ranking which looks something like this
1st - 15
2nd - 12
3rd - 9
4th - 6
5th - 3
6th - 1
...and they go towards the 411 Wrestler of the Year award to be announced each year at WrestleMania. This will be posted every Monday. Let's see who wins this week
The Voting~!
ARI
1) AJ Styles & Kurt Angle (tie)
Styles and Angle had the kind of memorable wrestling match I know they're capable of, but rarely get to see given the style of booking and pacing of any particular episode of iMPACT. Yet here they were, given twenty minutes, COMMERCIAL-FREE, and they both did what they do best, which is go out there and tell an excellent story in the ring. Guess what? It resulted in the best match of the week aside from Chris Hero vs. KENTA from ROH on HDNet (which doesn't get considered for this week under our rules system, but rather the week it was taped). Then AJ Styles main events what TNA considers its "Wrestlemania" of Pay Per Views, shined through and won. Kurt Angle continued his excellent in-ring roll with an match against Matt Morgan where the crowd got behind Angle and yet both were able to seem like stars.
2) Abyss: Promised violence, pain and atrocity during his match against Mick Foley, and provided it in spades. I can't fathom the mind frame of these guys for putting their body through all that hell, but they did it and did it very well. It deserves a badge of courage, but since I don't have one of those, recognition in the top five will have to do.
3) Mick Foley: He had one more great hardcore match in his body and this one against Abyss was it. Thanks Mick, for finding it in you to do this kind of stuff.
4) Matt Morgan
5) Amazing Red
Jeremy Thomas
1) AJ Styles
The passing of the torch has been done. AJ Styles defended the TNA World Championship at Bound for Glory--the first person in the history of the five-year event to walk in AND out as World Champion--against Sting in what very well may be the icon's last match. This was a huge win for AJ and solidifies his legacy as one of the best in TNA's history.
2) The British Invasion (Brutus Magnus & Doug Williams): The British Invasion may have lost the IWGP Tag Team Titles in Full Metal Mayhem, but they traded them in for the TNA World Tag Team Titles. This says a lot about what TNA thinks of these guys and I think they deserve some recognition for that.
3) Eric Escobar: SmackDown's newest roster member had his first WWE Televised match, and beat Matt Hardy to earn a spot in the Main Event at Bragging Rights. In his FIRST MATCH. I may not be high on him right now, but that deserves a lot of attention.
4) Amazing Red & Eric Young (tie)
5) Carpenter Ant
Ryan Byers
1) Eric Escobar
A month ago, nobody outside of a handful of wrestling fans in Orlando and an even smaller handful of people who follow wrestling very closely through the internet knew who Eric Escobar was. It was obvious that WWE had big plans for the guy, as they immediately paired him with Vickie Guerrero, one of the world's biggest heat magnets. Then, in one night, Escobar not only managed to beat a major fan favorite in the form of Matt Hardy, but he also managed to earn a spot in one of the main events for a WWE pay per view. Granted, it's a main event that features numerous wrestlers who would not normally be competing in a main event, but it's still a quicker shot up the card than anybody else in pro wrestling is receiving these days.
2) Carpenter Ant: CHIKARA normally has major, major plans for the man who wins its annual Torneo Cibernetico tournament, and this year that honor went to relative newcomer Carpenter Ant. There have been some questions about the loyalties of this member of the Colony throughout his time in the promotion, and this victory, including eliminating partner Soldier Ant in the final fall, should put that angle at the forefront of the company in the final month of its season.
3) Delirious: In his first week with Pro Wrestling NOAH, Delirious pinned the promotion's junior heavyweight ace KENTA clean in the middle of the ring. That's a huge vote of confidence in the demented wrestler, who may well be a force to be reckoned with in NOAH's ongoing junior heavyweight league tournament.
4) Yujiro Takahashi
5) Cody Rhodes & Ted DiBiase (tie)
Shawn S. Lealos
1) A.J. Styles
This is why TNA is improving every week. The WWE puts a belt on a young talent and then makes them look stupid and unworthy of holding the title and then people don't respect the champion. In the first defense after winning the belt, A.J. pins a legend cleanly. No screwy finish. No accidental ref bump. No "lucky" pin. A.J. Styles pinned Sting and is the wrestler of the week. Next month, A.J. vs. Angle will be even better.
2) Eric Young: I called this. EY is proving to be a great chicken shit bad guy and is the perfect leader of The World Elite. People who bitch about him, calling him a comedy act not worth holding a title has not watched TNA in a long time. EY screwed Kevin Nash and Hernandez in the same match and is YOUR Legends Champion
3) Ted DiBiase: Both Ted and Cody got big wins this week but it was DiBiase that pinned the Champion, so he gets this spot.
4) TIE: Amazing Red/Chris Daniels
5) The British Invasion
Andy Clark
1) AJ Styles
The Phenomenal One retains the TNA World Heavyweight Title at TNA's biggest show of the year and ends Sting's BFG undefeated streak, and possibly his career, in the process.
2) Amazing Red & Daniels (tie): Amazing Red won the best match at Bound for Glory and retained the X-Division Title but Daniels damn near killed himself to give the match a big moment.
3) Brutus Magnus & Doug Williams: Sure Team 3D walked away with the other belts, but the British Invasion duo walked away with the important set of tag titles.
4) Eric Escobar
5) Carpenter Ant
Larry Csonka
1) AJ Styles
AJ Styles had a hell of a week. On Impact, he had one of the best matches of the year on free TV with Kurt Angle, and he then followed it up with a good Bound For Glory match with Sting, where he kept the title. AJ is finally being pushed the way many have asked for, and keeps delivering as we know he can. This was a great week for the champ.
2) The British Invasion (Brutus Magnus & Doug Williams): The British Invasion may have lost the IWGP tag team titles, but they did walk out of Bound For Glory with the TNA tag team titles. I like the British Invasion, and I feel that they can do well with the tag straps that will stay with the company.
3) Team 3D (Ray and Devon): Team 3D added to their tag team legacy with another tag team title victory at Bound For Glory.
4) Kurt Angle
5) Eric Young
Samuel Berman
1) Carpenter Ant
Won CHIKARA's annual Torneo Cibernetico, last eliminating Colony stablemate Soldier Ant.
2) Amazing Red: Retained the X-Division Title in Ultimate X.
3) Delirious: Pinned KENTA in NOAH's Jr. Heavyweight League Tournament.
4) AJ Styles and Eric Young (tie)
5) Fire Ant & Soldier Ant
Michael Bauer
1) AJ Styles
Let's see, going to a time limit draw with Kurt Angle might not be the best way to start a week, but beating Sting on PPV to retain the TNA World Title is the best way to end it. Two great matches overall from the TNA Original.
2) Delirious: Your first week in Japan and you get to pin KENTA clean? That's seriously crazy.
3) Eric Young: While the TNA Legends Title is a joke, I'll give credit for winning it.
4) Carpenter Ant
5) Amazing Red / Kurt Angle (tie)
Jasper Gerretsen
1) AJ Styles
AJ Styles became the first man to break TNA's tradition of Sting winning the title at Bound for Glory, and did so without some sort of cheap swerve.
2) Carpenter Ant: Over in CHIKARA, rookie Carpenter Ant won the company's biggest annual singles tournament, outlasting fifteen other men.
3) Delirious & Yujiro Takahashi (tie): Both men scored big wins in their foreign excursions, Yujiro claiming his opponent's hair and Delirious pinning one of the top junior heavyweights in Japan.
4) Eric Escobar
5) Ted DiBiase THE WINNERS~!
Special Mention Ted DiBiase - 5 Votes
Fifth Place Christopher Daniels - 6 Votes
Fourth Place Amazing Red, Eric Escobar, Eric Young and the British Invasion - 12 Votes
Third Place Delirious - 14 Votes
ROH head trainer Delirious heads over to Japan and immediately scores a huge upset over top junior heavyweight KENTA in a tournament where everybody expected him to be the comedy jobber.
Second Place Carpenter Ant - 17 Votes
CHIKARA rookie Carpenter Ant secures a huge win by winning the Torneo Cibernetico, CHIKARA's biggest annual singles tournament, by last eliminating Colony stablemate Soldier Ant.
Wrestler of the Week AJ Styles - 37 Votes
The Phenomenal one secures this week's top spot by wrestling Kurt Angle to a time limit draw, then ending Sting's streak of title victories at Bound for Glory.
Year-End Standings~!
AJ Styles springboards into the top ten, right at the heels of Jericho, forming another threat to the dominance of the SmackDown six so far. Carpenter Ant makes his list debut thanks to his big Torneo Cibernetico win, overtaking fellow Colony members Fire Ant and Soldier Ant. Delirious makes his debut on the list thanks to a big win over KENTA, proving he's more than just a comedy act on his inaugural tour of Pro Wrestling NOAH. Amazing Red climbs thanks to his Ultimate X win, and Eric Young (new Legends Champion), The British Invasion (new TNA Tag Team Champions) and Eric Escobar (qualified for the main event at Bragging Rights) all make their debut through the four way tie for fourth place. Daniels' fifth place comes thanks to a strong performance in Ultimate X, and Ted DiBiase is now the sole #11 by a single point after pinning the WWE champion.
Posted By: Jamal (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Was Byers ignoring TNA just to take some of the hate away from Berman?
Posted By: Bimmy (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 01:19 PM
Byers' list is an out and out disgrace. Eric Escobar are you shitting me? Styles and Angle had incredible weeks aren't even on the list geez. Angle again not getting enough love as he had a hell of a match with Styles and then carried Morgan to his best match ever. Angle deserved better dunno how he wasn't on more peoples lists and Byers' hatred for TNA has reached a whole new level.
Posted By: graves9 (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 01:19 PM
carpenter ant? You shitting me? Even AAri gets it. Fire byers please!
Posted By: K Money (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 01:25 PM
DIE BYERS DIE!
Posted By: Guest#3339 (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 01:27 PM
Vintage Berman.
Now that it's been said, none of you have too.
Totally agree this week. AJ was a lock for #1.
Posted By: Jeff (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 01:36 PM
1. AJ Styles - retaining your title in the biggest PPV of the year for your promotion (the #2 promotion in the US), and winning in a match against an icon like Sting - this should have been unanimous #1.
2. Kurt Angle and Matt Morgan - While Kurt won the match - Morgan established himself in the upper card of TNA. And considering that TNA will be losing a number of upper card people (MEM) over the next few months - good to elevate someone.
3. Sting - in what could possibly be his last match - he goes out the right way. He puts over a younger wrestler (ahem Ric Flair). Still being able to wrestle helps those younger guys look better in their victories. AJ Styles beat Sting - not a shell of Sting or a half speed Sting - but a Sting that still could headline any event in a world.
4. Ted DiBiase and Cody Rhodes - the seeds of the end of Legacy are planted. So who will be the one to stand by Orton?
5. Eric Young - if his is one of the nails in the coffin of MEM - then he gets my vote. And winning a title (albeit the US/IC/TV/Legends belt) at the biggest PPV of the year for your promotion, and win it over a legend like Kevin Nash - you definitely make my list.
Posted By: BobbyC (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 01:44 PM
I have no problem with who you pick, that is your opinion, if you choose a tie for 1,2,3 or 4 you can't fill all 5 places. If you pick a tie for 1st, then your next guy is third, same as second - your next place would be 4th and so on.
Again, I know it is not scientific and does not matter to anyone who doesn't read this column, but every week I read this and it irritates me.
Posted By: SuperJeff (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 01:52 PM
WWE fanboys are going to shit on this weeks decisions...let 'em cry I say! WWE isn't the only thing going.
Posted By: Armitage Shanks (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 01:52 PM
VINTAGE BERMAN!
Posted By: Cole Slaw (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 02:10 PM
Good for A.J.
Posted By: Pikamitsu (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 02:12 PM
Congratulations TNA, a wrestler finally made top-ten.
Posted By: WWE (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 02:13 PM
Carpenter Ant? Eric Escobar? Absolutely ridiculous picks from Berman and Byers as usual. Eric Escobar got no reaction whatsoever and will be a forgettable addition to a forgettable 7v7 match. Carpenter Ant is a nobody who won a tournament of nobodies in a promotion of nobodies. Anybody who didn't give AJ Styles the #1 pick is a worthless indy mark whose opinions are irrelevant.
Posted By: Guest#5030 (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 02:22 PM
you people are voting for ANTS?
Posted By: Guest#7952 (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 02:31 PM
Ryan Byers proves he is anti-tna, even when they are good. Why are you even on this if you are so bias? Aj Styles beat sting cleanly at the biggest show of tna's calender year. How many people have beat Sting cleanly? A handful maybe. Yet that was not enough to get even in the top 5 for you. I beat Aj could beat sting cleanly, beat kurt angle cleanly, beat the rock cleanly all in one night and put on 5 star matches with all 3 and yet he would still not crack the top 5. although escobar beats matt hardy who everyone beats and he gets number one. absolutly pathetic!!!
Posted By: Havok (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 02:33 PM
Let's see, after every crapfest WWE PPV, all the top vote getters are WWE guys. TNA puts on the best PPV of the year, and Ants get ranked higher than everyone but AJ. You do realize what a joke this column has become, don't you?
Posted By: the ghost of Gordon Solie (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 02:38 PM
I can't believe that Eric Escobar received any votes at all. If anything, Matt Hardy should have gotten those votes, just for the fact that he led Escobar through the whole match.
Posted By: mogamer (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 03:46 PM
Hey Armitage, I'm a bit of a fanboy, but you're not going to see me bitch about the rankings here. I was more than pleased to find AJ numero uno in all of them, and was glad to see Eric (Young) got some love too.
Posted By: CC Fanboy (Registered) on October 19, 2009 at 04:06 PM
What a surprise. You guys just couldn't stand it could you? Had this exact PPV had the initials WWE instead of TNA, it would have swept every place.
According to your list F'n JTG has done more this year than the entire TNA roster except for AJ. Yeah, that makes sense.
But oh yeah, 411 HATES TNA.
Posted By: ScottyFlamingo (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 04:28 PM
Why do you insufferable smarks continue to berate and besmirch Byers?!? Like you could do any better. Let us face facts, he does this job for a living or whatever. What do you smarks do, complain complain complain! The best thing to do is to at least enjoy opinions of others because this is a forum not a debate chat. These complainers sound like a bunch of women who missed their period a couple times!
Posted By: Guest#7526 (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 05:17 PM
Couple of other comments.
I watched Smackdown and forgot Escobar. I was more excited to see Vickie the Chipmunk than I was about Escobar.
4th, 5th, 6th and 7th were a tie. I'm OK with awarding 4th place points for year end standings to all of them - but Daniels and DiBiase should not be getting points for finishing 8th and 9th.
Posted By: BobbyC (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 05:20 PM
Carpenter Ant screwed Carpenter Ant.
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 05:35 PM
WAAAAAA!!!! WAAAAA!!!!! WAAAAAA!!!!! I've never even watched Chikara, but i'm going to diss it anyway, WAAAA!!!! WAAAAAA!!!! Uncle Vince told me that wrestling is a dirty word.... WAAAA!!!! WAAAAA!!!!! I can only watch sports entertainment because Uncle Vince said so WAAAAAA!!!!
Posted By: kingave66 (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 05:50 PM
Ah fuck it. I wrote about 500 words about why Berman is an illogical prick and his votes made no sense but there is no point other than sheer pleasure in mocking a retard.
Byers I quite enjoy doing this column as his votes are consistant within his own structure and are argued, thus doing what the column is meant to do.
He stimulates debate, raises reasons why and highlights certain guys.
I believe how he chooses his structure is wrong and doesn't reflect reality but at least it's a consistant, argued viewpoint.
Berman frankly however, was a waste of a good wank on his father's part, who contributes nothing, and has massive contradictions within his OWN structure without debating anything.
Still, probably best he doesn't try to justify his choices, as the average 4 year old would probably smash him to the ground with the half-brick of logic while the the 411 mania readers clutched their private parts with glee and danced around the corpse.
Posted By: No offence like! (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 06:00 PM
Excellent work, Byers. Continue to prove that TNA is nothing but 2nd rate and I'll be sure to hook you up.
Posted By: Vince McMahon (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 06:14 PM
"But oh yeah, 411 HATES TNA. "
He is not the only one.
Posted By: Millions of WWE-fanboys (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 06:34 PM
Byers...
Here's a guy who won't stop calling Brother Ray and Brother Devon...
Bubba Ray and D-Von...
But he calls Eric Perez "Eric Escobar" on cue.
Posted By: Byers is High (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 06:34 PM
Sorry... meant fifth-place.
Posted By: JamesDaBear (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 06:57 PM
These lists need more Kurt Angle.
Posted By: Huzzah! (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 07:18 PM
TNA normally sucks ass though. One good PPV and the rabid fanboys are screaming their silly little asses off about an "opinion" column not giving TNA recognition.
Posted By: Guest#7666 (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 07:26 PM
if Berman wants to put indie guys in his list let him. It's his list
Posted By: WOW!!!! (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 08:13 PM
Dibiase pins the WWE champion (aka the most important and biggest man in pro wrestling today) and he doesn't crack the top 5?
What a joke.
Posted By: Peep#4569 (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 08:44 PM
No hate on Berman. The guy is living with his criteria... but...
Mr Byers has a criteria that states that he considers TNA greater than ROH in terms of importance. He considers kayfabe storyline and career advancement in his criteria. Does he really believe that a lower midcarder getting a spot on a WWE PPV is more of a career advancement than AJ Styles being given the spot as the heir apparent to Sting?
I know he doesn't watch TNA, but it still seems to me that he is basing his decisions completely on his fifth criteria, his own personal biases...
Posted By: Ray Church (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 08:49 PM
Here's my problem with the indy writers here.. I get that some of you guys only vote for wrestlers when something happens to advance their career. But, when you've been shoving these guys (eg: the Ants) down our throats for the past year and still nobody outside THIS column knows who the hell they are, then obviously these "huge career advancing wins" haven't led to much of anything.
Furthermore, voting for them doesn't even bring them any notice from the readers, since neglecting the more deserving wrestlers only brings heat on yourselves.
eg: After skimming through Byers' section just 1 minute ago, I don't even remember the names of anyone he voted for, only that he didn't vote for anyone who we know made news in wrestling this week.
Way to promote yourselves, but no way to promote the wrestlers.
Posted By: poffo316 (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 09:04 PM
I'm not normally one to complain about people's opinions, but the lack of respect for TNA is disgusting. They guy who said that if Bound For Glory had the WWE initials, it would have swept the Top Five was exactly right.
NO love for Kurt Angle, who had the champ beat in the TV match of the year and had an excellent victory over Matt Morgan.
NO love for Team 3D, who won the IWGP titles.
NO love for Scott Steiner, who looked like a million bucks and made sure he still has a job.
NO love for Abyss, who beat a legend at his own game.
Fucking pathetic.
Posted By: August (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Gotta agree on Byers. You're pretty much a joke now, Sally. You'll be the first to rate a match in Japan as ***** because you "heard it was good", but won't give AJ even a place on your list for what reason now? One amazing match and a title retention on a Major PPV aren't enough for you? Really?
Sad, pathetic little troll man.
Now, onto a point on the Legends Belt... How exactly is it a joke? Isn't a belt defined by the feuds/matches that are used to build it? If we're only basing on how a belt comes into a company, then the World Title in WWE is a joke (McMahon simply GAVE it to HHH).
I'm not saying it has the biggest distinction of any belt anywhere, but when it was introduced, it made sense (Booker gave it to himself since he think's he's a "legend"). AJ then won it, and had a decent series of defenses. Nash then won it, bringing it down a bit, but at least his desire for money (and only money) was kept intact. Now EY has it, and I don't think it is such a joke any more.
If we trace back every single belt in wrestling, there are people who shouldn't have held the belt, or idiotic circumstances involving it. The Legends belt isn't any more of a joke than any of those.
Posted By: Jimbob Jones (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 12:43 AM
I don't even watch TNA regularly, but wow. How can you not put at least 2-3 people on the list after Bound for Glory.
Posted By: Deathpool (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 05:41 AM
Matt Morgan totally deserved more props.
Posted By: Unholy Meatpuppet (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 07:25 AM
Yeah... I've got a 1st, 4th and 5th for Angle... Doesn't that equal 8 points good enough for 5th place on your list?
Posted By: AngleFan (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 06:17 PM
Angle has 2 great matches in the span of 3 days this week and that's not good enough for 411!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Guest#3667 (Guest) on October 21, 2009 at 01:47 AM
I've watched matches of "The Colony" and the Ants - and it was some of the lamest shit I've ever seen. Pretending to throw grenades at each other and all that other queer shit? It was just painfully unfunny smark "comedy" matches, totally pathetic and stupid and performed in front of what liked look high school gyms with less than 100 fans in there.
If you are into that kind of thing then that's cool, everyone's tastes are different (even if it does instantly make you a sad pathetic nerd who will never get laid ever), but to say these nobodies are the best wrestlers in the WORLD is one of the most deluded, ridiculous things I have ever head, especially in a week where the no.2 promotion in N.America just put on one of the best PPVs of the year with shit loads of important, awesome matches and title changes/defenses.
This column has reached a point now where certain writers (Byers and Berman in particular, but also Hubbard, Ari and even Csonka sometimes) are undermining the entire concept by being openly prejudiced and trying to put themselves over. It's obvious now that Byers is so desperate for recognition and attention he deliberately chooses obscure picks to draw heat on himself. It's pathetic.
Posted By: Truth (Guest) on October 21, 2009 at 11:31 AM
@Truth:
You should really look again at who I voted for this week.
If you think I'm trying to "put myself over", that's your prerogative. I know I don't do that--I don't have any agenda when I vote.
For the record, I think Kurt Angle should have been first or second this week (I did vote for him and AJ in the number one spot).
Posted By: Berenstein Von Raschke (Registered) on October 21, 2009 at 01:37 PM
So, Ryan Byers picks Eric Escobar as #1 - even though in this week's smackdown tapings Escobar loses his spot in the Bragging Rights 7v7 match, thus making any "career-advancing" achievement he had last week even more non-existant than it already was. Good job Byers, you're a complete tool! Seriously, can Csonka or Ashish please just get rid of this attention-seeker now?
Posted By: Guest#9179 (Guest) on October 21, 2009 at 04:05 PM
Lol @ Byers. You're just a joke now man.
Posted By: Guest#0220 (Guest) on October 22, 2009 at 09:40 PM
Copyright οΏ½ 2011 411mania.com, LLC. All rights reserved.
Click here for our privacy policy. Please help us serve you better, fill out our survey.
Use of this site signifies your agreement to our terms of use.