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The 411 Wrestling Top 5 11.18.09: Week 50 - Signs of the Apocalypse
Posted by Michael Bauer on 11.25.2009



Hello everyone and welcome to 411 Wrestling's Top 5 List. What we are going to is take a topic each week and all the writers here on 411 wrestling will have the ability to give us their Top 5 on said topic, plus up to three honorable mentions. So, on to this week's topic…

THE TOP 5 SIGNS OF THE APOCALYPSE


Oh yeah, every sport, hobby, and forms of entertainment has those moments where what you are seeing so unreal, so unbelievable, that you seriously knew nothing would be the same again. Even worse, you could swear that the world was going to end. Those moments are the Signs of the Apocalypse.

So what did our group of writers select? Let's find out…



Ryan Byers

5.TNA Finds Its Money Mark (2002) - I don't think that you can fully comprehend how unbelievable TNA Wrestling's continued existence is unless you were following professional wrestling closely in 2001 and 2002. A massive void was left in the wrestling world when WCW and ECW closed their doors. It is true that, if you look at the number of people who were watching wrestling on Monday nights prior to and after WCW failing, the vast majority of the fans who watched that company exclusively gave up on wrestling altogether when the plug was pulled on Monday Nitro. However, it took a while for the wrestling community to figure that out, because there were immediately numerous attempts to become the second biggest promotion in the country behind the WWF. Main Event Championship Wrestling. World Wrestling All-Stars. The XWF. WXO. All of them tried to accomplish something, and all of them flopped hard. Thus, when NWA: TNA debuted, it was easy to write them off as another fly-by-night startup. It looked like they were destined to go out of business months after they opened their doors, and, at least according to Jarry Jarrett's 2004 book The Story of the Development of NWA: TNA, the company WOULD have gone out of business within a few months after they started if not for the fact that Panda Energy bought a large interest in it and absorbed literally tens of millions of dollars of losses over the next several years. Still, regardless of the means, it was amazing after seeing so many flops that a second, somewhat-national wrestling company was able to survive, even if it wasn't necessarily thriving.

4.Misawa Bails on AJPW; Mutoh Replaces Him (2000 / 2002) - Some may say that I'm cheating by lumping two incidents into one, but the first leads into the second, so I'm going to argue that I'm playing fair. When the Giant Baba, founder of All Japan Pro Wrestling, passed away, the company fell into political discord. His wife was put in charge of the promotion, and she regularly clashed behind the scenes with Mitsuharu Misawa, one of its top stars. It was not long at all before Misawa was meeting with AJPW's television network, Nippon TV, about forming a new promotion that would replace them. NTV asked that the plan be tabled for a year after Baba's death in a show of respect for him, and Misawa agreed. Then, during the summer of 2000, the puroresu world was rocked when it was announced that Misawa was leaving AJPW and taking all but two of its Japanese wrestlers with him to form Pro Wrestling NOAH, a move that would seemingly kill All Japan dead on the spot. The formation of NOAH was amazing enough, but perhaps more amazing still was the fact that AJPW managed to limp along for a couple more years thanks to some help from its former rival New Japan Pro Wrestling. However, it still seemed like just a matter of time before they were going to keel over . . . until 2002, when New Japan's longtime top star Keiji Mutoh jumped ship from NJPW to AJPW. The company still had a few rough years after that and hasn't reached the same level of popularity that it had in its heyday, but it has stabilized and remains a viable major promotion in Japan. This massive reshuffling of the deck within only a few months time was surreal, and perhaps even more surreal still was the fact that we got three surviving major Japanese promotions out of it instead of two.

3.WCW Goes Head-to-Head with the WWF (1995) - I wasn't on the internet or reading the dirt sheets in 1995, so I had no clue that this was coming until one day a new WCW show on TNT was announced on an episode of my beloved "muthaship," WCW Saturday Night. I looked at the graphic that they put up on the screen, noted the time so that I could watch the show, and then had a sudden moment of realization: "Wait a minute!" I thought to myself, "That show will be on at the same time as Monday Night Raw! How can I manage to watch both shows?!" The answer was that I would spend the better part of six years flipping back and forth between the two programs whenever something would catch my fancy. Of course, the thoughts that were running through my head when I saw that initial graphic weren't the most important part of this story. WCW and WWF were going to war, and it was a war that I don't think that I need to comment on the significance of given the level of coverage that it has gotten around these parts ever since it occurred.

2.WCW and ECW Fold in the Same Three Month Period (2001) - This was so, so incredibly surreal. From 1996 through 1998 we had WCW and the WWF engaging in a back and forth, all out fist-fight over who would be the number one professional wrestling promotion in the United States and perhaps even the world. Though it was never a legitimate contender to be number one, ECW was a solid number three and nipped at the heels of both promotions, arguably coming very close to being number two when WCW was in its death throws in 2000. When 2001 rolled around, it was clear that the WWF had won and placed itself on a level significantly higher than either of its opponents. However, there was always some hope that one promotion or both would get a new booker or a new financial backer that would rocket them back into contention. Rumors of that nature certainly abounded, whether it was ECW supposedly getting onto the USA Network or Jerry Jarrett and/or FX having some interest in WCW. Then, seemingly overnight, the word was that ECW was over and done with. Talk of WCW closing up shop had a little bit more build, but, after about a month's worth of speculation regarding whether the promotion would continue under new ownership and/or on a new television network, TNT made it clear that they no longer wanted to run professional wrestling, which sent the value of the company plummeting and shot it into the waiting arms of Vince McMahon. The WWF was the only game in town when it came to pro wrestling in the United States, and it wasn't clear that anybody was going to surface at any point in the near future in order to challenge them. Nobody knew what this meant for the wrestling industry as a whole, both in the United States and worldwide. In some ways it was an exciting time to be a fan, because we had no clue what was going to happen. In other ways it was a frightening time to be a fan, because it meant that, if the WWF went downhill, pro wrestling as a whole could die on a national level. It was quite literally "the apocalypse" for two companies, and it could have been the beginning of the end for the business as a whole . . . but fortunately it was not.

1.Chris Benoit Kills Wife, Son, Self (2007) - Many wrestling fans long for the "sport" to gain some degree of mainstream acceptance as opposed to being the laughing stock that it often is among non-fans. As a result, these fans will jump all over any mainstream coverage that wrestling gets and declare that it is a great boon for whatever wrestler or promotion is garnering the attention. However, when word came out that WWE star Chris Benoit had killed his wife Nancy (formerly a valet under the stage name "Woman") and their seven year old son Daniel, professional wrestling began to receive a level of mainstream attention and scrutiny that, at the time, felt like it could have revolutionized or perhaps even killed the business. Everybody reading this knows that professional wrestling has had its problems. It has had its problems with drugs, it has had its problems with serious injuries going untreated, and it has had its problems with harboring a criminal element and turning a blind eye to behavior such as domestic abuse. However, aside from the Vince McMahon steroid trial and Mel Phillips scandal in the early 90's, very little of these problems have ever received legitimate, mainstream media criticism. The Benoit tragedy blew the lid off of all of that, as soon numerous television talk shows were teeming with discussion of the insanely high number of wrestlers who have passed away before seeing their fiftieth birthday and the factors that may have lead Chris Benoit to do what he did. It seemed like the sort of news story that could lead to serious reform within the wrestling industry, if not a significant number of fans departing the genre when they came to realize just how twisted it can sometimes be beneath its pomp and circumstance. Hell, even the United States Congress got involved at one point, doing a formal investigation into drug use within the pseudo-sport. For a two month period, it appeared that Benoit's actions could be the catalyst for major changes within the industry which would be felt for decades to come . . . and then it all just faded away. Funny how things like that work.



Jake Chambers

HONORABLE MENTIONS

Warrior comic book issue #1 – Destrucity.

WCW Hardcore Title, Junkyard Invitational Battle Royal (Bash at the Beach 1999) - The closest thing pro-wrestling has ever gotten to a post-nuke, forbidden zone sci-fi action movie.

Bryan Danielson vs. Colt Cabana, 2 out of 3 Falls (ROH Gut Check) – I thought there had been some blip in the time stream when I watched this obviously pre-recorded DVD, where I already knew the outcome of the match, and yet in the final minute I just thought there was no way possible that Colt Cabana wasn't walking out with the ROH Title.

5. The Big Show/Brock Lesnar ring collapse - When that ring buckled so perfectly after this massively unbelievable superplex was finally complete, the explosion of excited people around ringside and the reverberations throughout the universe made me feel, for a moment, like world had just blown up!



4. The Sandman, ECW 1994 - That this drunken, crazy was an actual professional wrestler seemed like a sign that the end times were upon us. Sure there had been weapon wielding, no-move-having wildmen in the business before, like The Sheik or Tiger Jeet Singh, and pot-bellied brawlers like The Crusher, but The Sandman, particularly following his feud with Tommy Cairo, set a new standard for how little someone had to actually do in the ring. He would basically just stare angrily and emptily at his opponents like a fading bully at a bar and then decimate them with a Singapore Cane (for a reason that now seems as dated as the naming a professional basketball team the Raptors). The guy literally drank in the ring, and often finished a match and pulled out a miraculously un-crushed package of cigarettes from his pocket and started smoking like he had no where else to be. All this might not seem so bad today, but at the time it felt like society was deteriorating right before my eyes, and I was loving every second of it!

3. Mankind going off the top of the Hell in the Cell - When Undertaker threw Mankind off of the top of the cage, anyone who watched that live, had to have thought, at least for a split second, that they'd just seen a murder. At the very least, if that had been true, it would have marked the end of the WWF, and that would have been as close to the end of the world as I would have liked back then!

2. Hulk Hogan vs. Triple H (WWF Backlash 2002) - In 2002, it was bad enough that the Hulk Hogan who all pure WWF fans had been conditioned for years to hate because of his age and workrate, actually came back to the WWF and had a decent match with The Rock, but then he brought back his red and yellow Hulkamania persona and proceeded to eat up precious Smackdown time with his long ring intros, pandering for applause, and horrible matches. Even worse was that he somehow earned a title shot and then actually won an absolutely detestable PPV main event against the Triple H and claimed the coveted Unified WWF Title.

This seemed like the end of the world to me, since the combination of the WWF and WCW titles had flowed so naturally out of the brilliantly booked (retrospectively) WWF vs. Alliance feud, with legendary WWF Attitude era icons the The Rock and Stone Cold losing in one night to the epitome of anti-WCW crap, Chris Jericho, a man who's ascension to the top was a wet dream for pure wrestling fans. Jericho's title reign was supposed to be the smart direction for wrestling's future, and a final capping of justification for all those WWF loyalists who helped destroy the WCW by refusing to tune into the liquefied crap they were saturating the Turner broadcasting networks with at the time. Having Triple H take over the title was acceptable as well, since in 2000-2001 he'd proven to be the heir to the Ric Flair throne of psychology and workrate. But there was no rational explanation for the title win by a hobbled and hacky Hogan, and for the first time in years the WWF showed short-sited-ness rather than the innovation that fans had supported so passionately during the brand wars.

I can tie all of my current distrust in the WWE to this single moment, when economics and stock prices began officially driving creativity into the ground. As a life long WWF fan, this was my apocalypse.

1. The first "This is the End" Intro video package (WWF Armageddon 2000) - Self explanatory:





Aaron Hubbard

HONORABLE MENTIONS

Austin 3:16 (1996) - While I personally didn't make think this was anything more than a brilliant marketing idea, a lot of people in my church would see this as the sign of the depravity of younger generations and the upcoming apocalypse.

The Rob Feinstein Incident (2004) - I don't know how ROH managed to survive this, but it seemed as if it would be done and independent wrestling as a whole would suffer, and fans looking for an alternative to WWE would have to look elsewhere.

Hulk Hogan's Returns To Canada (2002) - Some people try to downplay this a lot now, but I watched it live and it seemed as if the world would end with a never-ending chorus of cheers from the Canadians.

5.Undertaker vs. Mankind, Hell in a Cell (1998) - For a brief moment in 1998, time stood still. Nothing else existed except for the fallen body of Mick Foley in the rubble of the Spanish Announce Table, and the Undertaker standing sixteen feet above him on a gigantic steel cell. Everyone who saw this live thought they had seen murder committed. Had it been, it would have been the end of WWF and possibly the end of wrestling altogether.

4.The McMahons vs. Shawn Michaels and "God"(2006) - For about a month in 2006, I lived in a bizarre state of excitement and fear. Vince McMahon was mocking God by feuding with Him, and every time McMahon was on screen, I was glued to see if he would be smitten by the Almighty Smiter. The idea of God making a public display of someone and saying "I will not be mocked!" was always in the back of my head, as was the ramifications of said smiting. Imagine if this happened: blatant proof of God's existence would be played on every news station around the world and billions of new believers would be made. The idea of an early rapture was certainly in my head at that point. Fortunately, or depressingly depending on your point of view, Vince was not smitten.

3.WCW and ECW Fold in the Same Three Month Period (2001) - This was absolutely surreal. My brother was a WCW loyalist and since I had not yet reached the age of reason, so was I. The thought of WCW ever closing never entered my head. Sadly, I missed out on wrestling from 1999 and 2000 (Kids, don't powerbomb your kid brothers on cars if you want to watch wrestling). But in 2001, we heard the news that WCW was closed and that ECW (a company I was vaguely familiar with due to it's cult like following) had closed as well. Suddenly, the WWF was the only game in town. It was one of the most surreal things to ever happen in wrestling.

2.Hulk Hogan Turns Heel and the n.W.o Forms (1996) - Anyone in my generation or older remembers this. For those too young to remember, or those to old to have experienced it at my age, let me put this in perspective. I was six at the time. There was never a time in my life when Hogan WASN'T the biggest star in wrestling. No Theszs, no Brunos, no Backlands. I grew up in a wrestling world saturated with Hogan's presence. And he was the ultimate good guy. In my young mind, Hogan was a hero, like Hercules or Paul Bunyan or any other legend I heard when I was a kid. Now, going into the Bash at the Beach, things were scary enough. Kevin Nash and Scott Hall were the Outsiders and said they would take over WCW. But then, Hulk Hogan comes out, betrays WCW and turns heel. He claims he only wrestled for the money, that he never cared about prayers, training, or vitamins. He declares that this is the New World Order of wrestling. This was an unbelievable moment and certainly shattered my world when I was six. It's perhaps ironic that this moment was one of many that led to Wrestling's biggest boom period.

1.The Benoit Family Tragedy (2007) - I've intentionally chosen several moments where I can exaggerate and make levity with. I cannot do that here. There is no need for exaggeration and levity is not proper. I lament posting this because I know this will open old wounds and the huge, pointless debate will begin. Whatever your feelings on Chris are now, be it hatred, apathy, or bittersweet appreciation, remember the feelings here. Remember the sadness, the shock, the anger, the horror. This is the surest sign of evil ever seen in wrestling, proof that men are just a step away from becoming monsters. If there is not some form of final judgment for this evil, then there is no justice in this world or any other.



LARRY CSONKA

5. TNA Loses Funding, Then Finds A New Money Mark - With WCW and ECW dead, ROH and TNA rose from their ashes and tried to take their place. They had their business plan, they had some talent, and they seemed to start off well. But then the reports came in that they were fed false reports of their buys, they over spent, and then health South pulled out as a backer. The predictions that they would be done in three months looked to be a reality, and the business was about to be dealt another blow. But Panda Energy saved the day, and the company is still alive today.

4. The Rob Feinstein Incident (2004) - Much like TNA, ROH could have folded in 2004 when the Rob Feinstein Incident hit the net. Implications that he was a pedophile came out after a "bust" by a TV news station, and the shit hit the fan. TNA pulled their association with the company, and most thought that the company would die, and again, hurt the industry. Thankfully Feinstein was bought out, and the company survived. And I am glad it did. The company has produced many, many great matches and a place for fans that just want wrestling to go and have fun. Add into that the talent they have helped develop that has made it to WWE and TNA, and ROH has carved out an important part in wrestling history.

3. Hulk Hogan Turns Heel and the n.W.o Forms (1996) - Joke are always made about signs of the Apocalypse, but in all honesty to anyone that grew up on "Hulkamania", saying their prayers and taking their vitamins had to be completely shocked when their hero, who had left THE COMPANY for the lesser one turned his back on the fans, told them to stick it and joined with the Outsiders. I had friends that were devastated by this.

2. The Benoit Family Tragedy (2007) - Truth be told, this tragic event could have destroyed the wrestling industry. When Chris Benoit took the life of his wife, child and then himself, the mainstream media was on the attack in regards to pro wrestling. Some of it had merit, some of it was sensationalistic bullshit. Some felt that this could destroy the business, and thankfully it didn't. That doesn't diminish how sad the entire event was, people died, and the image of a hero was destroyed, but the business survived.

1. WCW and ECW Fold in the Same Three Month Period (2001) - When WCW folded and was bough by WWE and ECW closed, many thought that the industry was in big trouble. And in many ways it has never recovered. While WWE is still a money making machine, and I will not dispute that, buy rates are down, ratings are down overall from the boom, and for the most part, WWE is the only game in town. TNA is trying, ROH has TV, but things aren't the same, and many of us think back to the time when all three companies were running hot, and it was bliss being a fan.



Jeremy Thomas

5.Undertaker vs. Mankind, Hell in a Cell (1998) - Seriously, watching this live you really did feel like you'd watched someone get killed in the ring. Don't get me wrong, it was a fantastic spectacle and it's earned its spot in wrestling history as an iconic moment, but at the time I was absolutely in shock. Jim Ross's commentary has been much talked-about and it goes without saying, but he totally sold this as utter barbarism in the ring and Foley was just unbelievable in the things he had Taker do to him. When he went through that cage, I could have sworn that would be the last we'd ever seen of Mankind outside of a coffin.

4.The Montreal Incident (1997) - The Montreal Incident was one of the first times you ever saw the IWC just completely explode. There is so much that's been said about this moment, but never before had I seen something so unbelievable happen. Obviously, I knew that wrestling was scripted at this point, and that actually made it worse. We're used to seeing dirty, nefarious tactics within kayfabe, but behind the scenes, that dirty? To see Bret get screwed as strongly as he did and finding out the truth afterward was just a moment I thought that the WWE might never recover from. How could they possibly get any kind of respect from their fans, if they were being just as back-biting behind the camera as they were in front of it? Well, obviously they did but at the time, it was unbelievable.

3.Rob Feinstein is caught by Perverted Justice (2004) - I didn't admit to being a wrestling fan for a while after this. Feinstein was not well-known to the mainstream United States before this moment, and when news came out that a promoter of one of the bigger US independent promotions had been outed as a pedophile it brought up all the scorn for wrestling and those who liked it all over again. I still watched, but I didn't admit it to anyone for a couple years after that, and I'm as glad as anyone that Ring of Honor managed to survive it and become an important indy promotion again.

2.WCW & ECW Go Out of Business (2001) - This was one of those periods that I don't think you can explain properly unless you experienced it. It really did feel like the industry was crippled at this point, as two of the biggest three wrestling promotions in the country had gone under one after the other. Like Larry says it has never truly recovered from those days and while a lot of people at the time cheered WCW's demise, I do believe it was one of the worst things to happen to wrestling. All the rumors and news that went flying about during this time just made for the kinds of panic you expect to see in an "End of the World" film, just on a much smaller scale and it's certainly a strong candidate for the number one spot. BUT, there is one greater (or worse) moment and it is...

1.Chris Benoit Murder-Suicide (2007) - Here's another one I don't think we've recovered from. Benoit's murder-suicide was all over the news, and WWE was right in the cross-hairs. There was so much speculation and so many accusations flying around at this time. I remember coming here to 411 many times a day and seeing newer and newer headlines that just revealed how screwed up this whole thing was. That just added to my shock and numbness. And much like the Feinstein incident, it made it very difficult to be a fan. Many people still have not gone back to watching wrestling because of this. I remember that I was working at Yahoo! at the time, and I had a large Raw vs. SmackDown poster up in my cube. That poster soon came down for a while, because people were giving me looks like I was some kind of leper. If you doubt this is still a huge hot-button issue, just look below our words here, where the comment section will surely be filled with comments of hate and comments defending Benoit, as a performer at least. It may not have had quite the industry-wide impact that the number two pick here did (though there certainly has been industry-wide impact), but it's also more of a tragedy and still a very, very raw wound to almost all of us as wrestling fans.



Chris Lansdell

HONORABLE MENTIONS

Eric Bischoff promises to revolutionise professional wrestling...and people believe him - Then he goes and ruins it by turning Goldberg heel. At the time Bischoff made this announcement, WCW Backstage Assault was either about to released or had just been released, and people actually thought that Bischoff might do something crazy like remove the ropes, or the whole ring. D'oh.

5. Vince McMahon buys WCW - This comes in low because it was spoiled for me before Raw started. This was the height of the IWC's rise, when everyone and his dog had a rumours website. Nobody really thought that Vince was a possibility as a buyer for the ailing WCW, and most had Eric Bischoff managing to put together a buying consortium to keep the company afloat. When Vince power-walked out to start Raw and announced that he had made the purchase, my jaw hit the floor. And that's despite having read about it all afternoon.

4. David Arquette, WCW Champion - This one is low because, by this point, WCW was starting to be incapable of surprising me. Or so I thought. Sure we should have seen it coming when the match was announced and the stipulations explained, but surely nobody could be stupid enough to put their world title, with all the history behind it, on a scrawny actor? Bzzzzt.

3. Eric Bischoff is the new Raw GM - Far too many things on this list have to do with Bischoff. This one was not his fault though, as Vince McMahon hired and personally introduced (and embraced on LIVE TV) the man who not only tried to put him out of business (and almost succeeded), but also the man who had on numerous occasions challenged him to a shoot fight. I had heard nothing about it, and so when the name was announced I was flabbergasted. Seriously? Isn't that kind of like Dubya hiring Kanye West to write his speeches?



2. Hulk Hogan turns heel - This is the "cats and dogs sleeping together" section of the list. I'm not old enough to have seen heel Hogan when he was in AWA, so I had only ever known Hogan as a face. He was the guy that made me a wrestling fan, and the sole reason I started watching WCW at all. Bash at the Beach 1996 not only changed the face of wrestling, it completely blew me away when Hogan came down and dropped a series of big legs on Randy Savage, much to the disgust of the Daytona crowd. What sort of world are we living in when childhood heroes can be turned heel?

1. A McMahon breaks rank - If number 2 was "dogs and cats sleeping together", this is "dogs, cats, mice, elephants, Madonna and a diseased yak having an orgy while Jimmy Valiant lies under a glass table jacking off". The McMahon family has been all about professional wrestling for 4 generations. In that time, everyone has worked in the business. Even people who married into the family were involved in the company in some way. Shane McMahon was the first McMahon to take his ball and go home, and it came out of nowhere. At a time when the internet is telling wrestlers they've been fired, this news broke out of nowhere with the official announcement. Worse yet, it appears Young Simba may be looking to get involved with MMA, possibly even WWE's biggest competition in the UFC. And if that's not a sign of the Apocalypse, I don't know what is. It would be like John McCain picking Hilary Clinton as his running mate.


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Has to be the day WWE closes. They day that happens (if ever) is the day the business ends. Period.

Posted By: Jimmy (Guest)  on November 24, 2009 at 10:51 PM

 
 
To the last guy - no Shane leaving to try something out is not a big deal. Please do not overhype Shane buying some UFC stock. It means nothing, as pertains to the business, as nothing will change, as most would not even know about it.

Posted By: Markus (Guest)  on November 24, 2009 at 10:53 PM

 
 
sign of apocalypse:

the day a ppv main event is a black man vs a black man.


Posted By: thomas (Guest)  on November 24, 2009 at 10:54 PM

 
 
I'd love to say the Benoit weekend. However I can't because that had zero effect on the business, with nothing changing afterwards.

Posted By: James Gang (Guest)  on November 24, 2009 at 11:14 PM

 
 
Byers secretly trolls TNA again. Excellent job.

Posted By: Byers' Only Fan (Guest)  on November 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM

 
 
sign of apocalypse:

the day a ppv main event is a black man vs a black man.

Posted By: thomas (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 10:54 PM

- Summerslam 2002: Booker T Vs The Rock - WCW Title; Main Event

- No Mercy 2006 Originally had King Booker Vs Bobby Lashley in a singles match for the world title. Then Vince got scared and threw in an irishman and Batista.


Posted By: The Dutch (Guest)  on November 24, 2009 at 11:38 PM

 
 
Has to be the day WWE closes. They day that happens (if ever) is the day the business ends. Period.

Posted By: Jimmy (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 10:51 PM
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No


Posted By: Timmy (Guest)  on November 24, 2009 at 11:48 PM

 
 
"sign of apocalypse:

the day a ppv main event is a black man vs a black man.

Posted By: thomas (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 10:54 PM

- Summerslam 2002: Booker T Vs The Rock - WCW Title; Main Event"

Very good example. But it was SummerSlam 2001. SummerSlam 2002 was main evented by Rock vs. Brock.


Posted By: Kevin Arnold (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 12:11 AM

 
 
Jake Chambers, you're an idiot.

Sorry but only an idiot would say the Alliance vs WWF angle was well booked, unless you weren't even watching wrestling at the time and didn't understand what the fans wanted to see.

btw Jericho beating Rock/Austin to win the UD Title was not the conclusion to the Invasion storyline. The conclusion happened a month before at Survivor Series with a 10 man tag where alliance member Kurt Angle (ugh, when was he ever in ECW/WCW?) turned on fellow Alliance member Steve Austin (yep, WCW is the first thing that comes to mind when you think Stone Cold). In fact Jericho stuck with the WWF through the entire Invasion angle.

The Invasion angle failed as soon as it began by WWF not bringing over any notiable WCW besides Booker T (wo wasn't even main event when WCW was hot) and DDP who they totallly changed his gimmick to a stalker who was essentially Takers Bitch weeek in week out.


Posted By: Guest#3163 (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 12:24 AM

 
 
Hubbard did you really think that a skit on WWE was what would finally make god try to prove his existence? Not the growing doubt (especially among Europe), George Carlin, Nietzsche proclaiming god is dead, countless wars fought in his name, millions STILL using the Bible as an excuse for hatred, the white man's burden to convert (kill and enslave) in the name of jesus, the spanish inquisition, the dark ages...........

After all that you think that WWE would be the thing that makes god say "ok enough is enough. Time to act." Lol.


Posted By: Justin (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 12:32 AM

 
 
how about misawa dying in the ring?

Posted By: babarr (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 12:47 AM

 
 
sign of apocalypse:

the day a ppv main event is a black man vs a black man.

Posted By: thomas (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 10:54 PM

- Summerslam 2002: Booker T Vs The Rock - WCW Title; Main Event"

Very good example. But it was SummerSlam 2001. SummerSlam 2002 was main evented by Rock vs. Brock.

Posted By: Kevin Arnold (Guest) on November 25, 2009 at 12:11 AM

Hate to break in on the conversation, but I never ever considered The Rock "black" even though he is 'part Afroican-American'. I'd have him listed as 'Somoan', so the argument holds true as no black vs black main.


Posted By: Industry (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 12:55 AM

 
 
sign of apocalypse:

the day a ppv main event is a black man vs a black man.

Posted By: thomas (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 10:54 PM

It came close... Booker T and Bobby Lashley were going to square off for the world heavyweight title, but Finlay and Batista were added in to make it a Fatal Fourway. No Mercy 2006 to be exact.


Posted By: Guest#3328 (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 01:12 AM

 
 
A mere 2 months after the horrific Benoit Tragedy, a Televangelist by the name of Jack Van Impe, declared in his "Video Offer Of The Month" that the Benoit Tragedy HAD to happen & that it is a sign of very bad things to come, the Apocalypse in other words. Yes, said "Video" had brief footage of Benoit doing his diving head butt...I was absolutely horrified & outraged that this piece of shit Van Impe, who is known for his "scare tactics" (ie claiming that Pres. Barack Obama is in league with the Bilderbergs, being bred to be the leader of the New World Order (no, not the Scum Squad from WCW) & everyone will be forced to have circuits in either their hands or their foreheads--yuh right, just try it!))

Posted By: No way it'll happen!... (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 01:29 AM

 
 
You're actually equating the Benoit deaths with stupid wrestling angles?! "Oh yeah, I was bummed when I heard about what happened to Benoit and his family, but Hogan turning heel and Bischoff appearing on WWE TV SHATTERED THE WORLD AS I KNEW IT, MAN!!!"

Posted By: zappafrank (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 02:08 AM

 
 
Sign of the Apocalypse #1: When someone reads anything written by Jake Chambers and says "Damn, he has a point"

Posted By: Guest#8130 (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 02:16 AM

 
 
On a personal level... Benoit.

It very nearly killed wrestling for me.


Posted By: woody (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 02:42 AM

 
 
how about misawa dying in the ring?

Posted By: babarr (Guest) on November 25, 2009 at 12:47 AM

Saldy and tragically, it's happened before and will happen again.


Posted By: Spaz Monkey (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 02:54 AM

 
 
im sorry but benoit tragedy wasn't a wrestling angle it was a real life horror. it doesn't belong here

Posted By: Guest#8050 (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 04:08 AM

 
 
how about misawa dying in the ring?

Posted By: babarr (Guest) on November 25, 2009 at 12:47 AM
yea i agree...owen hart too


Posted By: Guest#2538 (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 05:54 AM

 
 
5) Piper vs Goldust at Wrestlemania uses footage of OJ Simpson trying to flee the sign of his wife's murder as part of a match.

4) Stephanie McMahon reveals Vince McMahon wanted to run an incest angle in which he wanted storylines to reveal he was Steph's babies father.

3) Chris Benoit double homicide suicide.

2) Misawa dying in the ring.

1) Owen Hart dies on PPV, followed by the dreadful moment when Jim Ross announces "Owen Hart has died" but the PPV continues and it's title changes are allowed to stand.


Posted By: JAK (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 06:53 AM

 
 
Are you guys kidding? Listen, you need to decide whether your going to keep this a work and use angle on your top 5, or legitimate incidents. Cause if your gonna put the Benoit Tragedy and then have something that pales in comparison right below or even above it then this whole thing is a joke. Seriously your gonna say WCW and ECW closing are bigger than a wrestler murdering his family? You guys suck.

Posted By: jaked (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 07:07 AM

 
 
My first witnessed heel turn was Bulldog atacking diesel. I was convinced such a thing couldnt happen and my little kid mind was blown away.

Since then Ive only been rocked like that twice in the "entertainment indsutry" (so not counting real world events like 911 or Colombine news coverage)

The two others would be Hogan turning heel to joine the NWO and Kimbo Slice getting knocked out but a nobody. My jaw almost broke, considering how hard it hit the floor.


Posted By: AG Awesome (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 07:12 AM

 
 
Hogan turning heel and joining the nWo is as bad as the Benoit Family Vacation? This is seriously fucked up.

How about comparing Owen Hart's tragic death to Earthquake squashing Damien while you're at it?


Posted By: Zingy (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 08:53 AM

 
 
Sign of the Apocalypse #2: When someone reads anything written by Aaron Hubbard and says "Damn, he has a point"

Posted By: Not the same guy (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 08:53 AM

 
 
"for all those WWF loyalists who helped destroy the WCW by refusing to tune into the liquefied crap they were saturating the Turner broadcasting networks with at the time."

Jake, what liquefied crap do you mean? the same liquefied crap that, when it went out of business, WWE(who I guess you think doesnt put out liquefied crap) couldnt manage to bring in it's fans to watch their shows? or maybe you mean the liquefied crap that beat the WWF for 85 weeks in a row? You know the more you write on this site, the dumber you become to the rest of us. Lets be real, WWF didnt put WCW out of business, AOL put WCW out of business. If it wasnt for the AOL-Timewarner merger, Ted Turner would still be in charge and we would still have WCW and they would be kicking WWE ass again.


Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 09:59 AM

 
 
sign of apocalypse:

the day a ppv main event is a black man vs a black man.

Posted By: thomas (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Why is everyone commenting on this post? He is just a black guy being Racist(yes its possible, it happens all the time). You have a problem with the way wrestling main events are? Call Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton, I'm sure they would LOVE to agree with what you are saying and get some free attention out of it as well. Otherwise, shut the hell up.


Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 10:05 AM

 
 
5. Outback Jack makes his debut after weeks of awesome promos.
4. The Shockmaster arrives
3. The No Limit Soldiers sets the wrestling world on fire
2. Paul Roma becomes a horesman & gives the group legitimacy for the first time in years.
1. Buff Bill & Ravishing Randy Mulkey defeat the gladiators on NWA tv. Back when you'd have to wait for a ppv to get a match like this, but it was on TBS. FREE TV!!!


Posted By: Handsome Ray Bronson (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 10:08 AM

 
 
Hey Guest#3163! Your poor reading comprehension skills are matched only by your weak memory, so congratulations, that's a pretty rare combination!

On another note, I wonder if people feel that the nWo angle is more successful than the Invasion angle? Don't you think the nWo storyline, that may have started strong for a few weeks (while basically selling the point that WWF wrestlers are better than WCW wrestlers), eventually had no exit strategy and lead to the complete downfall of the #1 wrestling company of the time, whereas the Invasion angle was a complete story from an artistic standpoint, led to new storylines that kept business going after it ended, and helped to solidify the WWF as a business and a fake athletic company through strong metaphor of victory.

Thus my eventual end-of-the-world depression by the return of Hogan to the WWE to basically destroy all of that good will!

No.. but wait, what am I doing... I'm an idiot... sorry, what I meant was... the nWo revolutionized the wrestling business and Hulk Hogan is the man!


Posted By: Jake Chambers (Registered)  on November 25, 2009 at 10:25 AM

 
 
No one mentioned Owen Hart? Wow.

Posted By: Bucksinnc (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 10:33 AM

 
 
Owen Hart?
Eddie Guerrero?


Posted By: FUZEY (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 10:34 AM

 
 
Remember these are signs of the Apocalypse, not the actual End Times. I agree with the Shane one since I think it is a signal of sorts, will it lead to anything, who knows?

Benoit's death has had an effect on the industry. Its one of the reasons for starting the PG era and next to Linda's campaign run, its one of the more important reasons on why its occurring. I also think it has lead to a drop to WWE viewership which has been sustained.


Posted By: AFan (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 10:43 AM

 
 
That Armageddon opening promo from 2000 was incredible.. good times.

Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 10:44 AM

 
 
"Has to be the day WWE closes. The day that happens (if ever) is the day the business ends. Period."

I have to comment on this. I think it would be great if the business went back to "territories" after this. Wrestling was so much "personable" back then. Unfortunately cable, satellite, and the mainstream idea of greediness perpetrated by Vince will never let that happen. Honor among regions is a tihng of the past. Hell, honor period is dead!!!!


Posted By: Ben (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 11:25 AM

 
 
Surprised that the Pillman-Austin Gun incident didn't make the list

Posted By: KT (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 11:25 AM

 
 
Hahahahah...he said workrate

Posted By: BobZ (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 12:07 PM

 
 
Not one mention of Hogan to TNA?

Posted By: Guest#0972 (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 12:07 PM

 
 
"for all those WWF loyalists who helped destroy the WCW by refusing to tune into the liquefied crap they were saturating the Turner broadcasting networks with at the time."

Jake, what liquefied crap do you mean? the same liquefied crap that, when it went out of business, WWE(who I guess you think doesnt put out liquefied crap) couldnt manage to bring in it's fans to watch their shows? or maybe you mean the liquefied crap that beat the WWF for 85 weeks in a row? You know the more you write on this site, the dumber you become to the rest of us. Lets be real, WWF didnt put WCW out of business, AOL put WCW out of business. If it wasnt for the AOL-Timewarner merger, Ted Turner would still be in charge and we would still have WCW and they would be kicking WWE ass again.

Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest) on November 25, 2009 at 09:59 AM


Mr. Bischoff? Eric, is that you?


Posted By: Captian Sassypants (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 12:12 PM

 
 
"
3.Rob Feinstein is caught by Perverted Justice (2004) - I didn't admit to being a wrestling fan for a while after this. Feinstein was not well-known to the mainstream United States before this moment, and when news came out that a promoter of one of the bigger US independent promotions had been outed as a pedophile it brought up all the scorn for wrestling and those who liked it all over again. I still watched, but I didn't admit it to anyone for a couple years after that, and I'm as glad as anyone that Ring of Honor managed to survive it and become an important indy promotion again."

He was ACCUSED of it, over one incident initiated by a hyperbolic, reactionary TV program. He still has not been arrested for it, he's only guilty of it via mob rules.


Posted By: Maffew (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 12:21 PM

 
 
5. Outback Jack makes his debut after weeks of awesome promos.
4. The Shockmaster arrives
3. The No Limit Soldiers sets the wrestling world on fire
2. Paul Roma becomes a horesman & gives the group legitimacy for the first time in years.
1. Buff Bill & Ravishing Randy Mulkey defeat the gladiators on NWA tv. Back when you'd have to wait for a ppv to get a match like this, but it was on TBS. FREE TV!!!

Posted By: Handsome Ray Bronson (Guest) on November 25, 2009 at 10:08 AM


TRUE! So TRUE!


Posted By: Glorious Paul Roma (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 12:35 PM

 
 
Wow, you guys are comparing the Benoit murders to wrestling angles. This is why wrestling fans are considered idiots. And btw, if any death would have killed the business, it should have been Owen Hart, since you can actually find good reason to blame the company he worked for.

If the Benoit aftermath didn't ruin wrestling, then no single incident will. The only thing that will kill the business(or at least WWE), is if MMA continues to grow. Shane McMahon joining their ranks, while not really a huge impact on either business, is pretty damn symbolic to me. When people within the McMahon family are starting to see pro wrestling as a dying business, you know the problems run deep.


Posted By: Guest#3459 (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 12:38 PM

 
 
Lansdell's line about Jimmy Valiant was more disturbing to me than anything on his list.

Posted By: educated savage (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 01:07 PM

 
 
I swear to God, if I never hear mental illness equated with "evil" again in regards to the Chris Benoit situation, it'll be too damn soon. The American justice system recognizes that the two are different, and while murder is murder and is always horrific, there's a reason for that.

Posted By: Bruce L (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 01:11 PM

 
 
No way should Benoit even be on this list.
WCW/ECW closing shook the industry, yes, but I almost never watched wrestling again. It took me until June of 08 to turn my TV back on and watch.

I'd say Benoit should have been excluded. And Owen Hart should also have been excluded, I am shocked nobody listed him. Miwasa, never saw him wrestle, but when I heard about it I was gravely saddened. And I keep fearing news about Flair also.

People dying shouldn't be listed IMO. It should never be listed below stuff like companies going out of business. Yes, if a company folds people go out of work. But they are still alive, they can still make it work and live and even thrive.


Posted By: Johnny Rock (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 01:43 PM

 
 
I really think it's inappropriate to compare real life events like the Benoit tragedy with scripted wrestling angles.

This should have been two lists: real-life events, and storylines. The real-life events would have things like Benoit/Eddie/Owen and other tragedies, scandals like the steroids investigation, and the Feinstein incident. Then you could have another list for the NWO, Montreal, ECW etc.

I'm not going to chew you guys out for it, but I do think it wasn't a good idea.


Posted By: The Tortoise King (Registered)  on November 25, 2009 at 01:58 PM

 
 
The Benoit Murder-Suicide made me love wrestling in hopes I see more people flipping the fuck out and killing their family!!!! Fuck The World and all of you!!

Posted By: Asshole (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 02:16 PM

 
 
Chambers gets X-pac heat.

Posted By: PDM (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 03:36 PM

 
 
ECW was nipping on the heels of WCW and the WWF? What you going to say next? That more than 40 people give a damn about RoH?

Posted By: Guest#5897 (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 03:59 PM

 
 
Jeremy Thomas wrote this:

"If you doubt this is still a huge hot-button issue, just look below our words here, where the comment section will surely be filled with comments of hate and comments defending Benoit, as a performer at least. It may not have had quite the industry-wide impact that the number two pick here did (though there certainly has been industry-wide impact), but it's also more of a tragedy and still a very, very raw wound to almost all of us as wrestling fans."

Thank you all for making it come very true


Posted By: Guest#0754 (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 04:10 PM

 
 
wheres OWEN and EDDIE? are the panel members retarded????

Posted By: Guest#4552 (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 05:09 PM

 
 
Hubbard did you really think that a skit on WWE was what would finally make god try to prove his existence? Not the growing doubt (especially among Europe), George Carlin, Nietzsche proclaiming god is dead, countless wars fought in his name, millions STILL using the Bible as an excuse for hatred, the white man's burden to convert (kill and enslave) in the name of jesus, the spanish inquisition, the dark ages...........

After all that you think that WWE would be the thing that makes god say "ok enough is enough. Time to act." Lol.

Posted By: Justin

*****

You don't understand sarcasm, satire or humor in general, do you?


Posted By: Chief Sleeping Leg (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 05:11 PM

 
 
Jake Chambers youre the biggest faggot on the internet. Die of AIDS please.

Posted By: Guest#7888 (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 05:18 PM

 
 
Eric Bischoff is the new Raw GM - a.k.a The day hell froze over

Personally this would be my #1


Posted By: The_Mystical_Ninja (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 06:34 PM

 
 
Chambers gets X-pac heat.

Posted By: PDM (Guest) on November 25, 2009 at 03:36 PM
____________________________

LOL! Perfect way of putting it.


Posted By: MasterShake (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 06:50 PM

 
 
he almost sounds like an Old Nick Bockwinkle promo. or the Crazy Bob Backlund from the mid 90's. You know jake, only the foolish use big words in a needless manner. diminuative words work so much better. liquified crap liquified crap W.C.W.IS LIQUIFIED CRAP......Fuck me runnin. Liquified crap

Posted By: jakelikesbigwords (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 06:51 PM

 
 
"You don't understand sarcasm, satire or humor in general, do you?

Posted By: Chief Sleeping Leg (Guest)"


That was suppose to be humour??


Posted By: Guest#2519 (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 06:58 PM

 
 
Good lord! This column was a monumental waste of my time. Of all the wealth of things in the entire history of the wrestling world to pull information from, these are the things you ‘chose’ as signs of the apocalypse?

You’ve basically shown a complete lack of history and general snarky attitudes towards things that either weren't bad at all or just did not relate to the wrestling industry as a whole.

And a question regarding one 'contributor' in particular, Jake Chambers, who are you related to that got you your spot in this reindeer gang? You are a clueless young man.

One last thing guys: If you are going to write articles professing knowledge (and/or opinions) about wrestlers and the industry, learn how to spell. That includes everyone’s names and the words you use in your columns. Either use MSWORD or download OpenOffice. They both have spell check and grammar correction tools.

I'm just sayin'.


Posted By: Anthony_McMannequin (Registered)  on November 25, 2009 at 07:15 PM

 
 
Don't you think the nWo storyline, that may have started strong for a few weeks (while basically selling the ''point that WWF wrestlers are better than WCW wrestlers), eventually had no exit strategy and lead to the complete downfall of the #1 wrestling company of the time''

There you go again, talking out of your ass.

There WAS a possible exit strategy and that was Starrcade 97 where Sting should have destroyed Hogan, took the title and have the nWo disband after utter defeat of their leader. Unfortunately (to some, I liked the nWo war of '98) WCW did what every wrestling company does and ran a hot angle into the ground (think WWE and ''wrestler X vs McMahon'' storyline).

The reason the InVasion angle was wrapped up neatly was because it was an utter failure and may even be responsible for the WWE's current decline in viewership having climaxed a WM X-7, which the Invasion angle started directly after.

Rule of booking 101 - You make the heels look strong initially and have the upper hand over the babyface so the babyface can eventually triumph ans end the story, initially making the nWo unstoppable was the right thing to do. On the other hand WWF made WCW look like pathetic losers from the begining (Vince's ego I guess) which never made them look like a viable threat to WWE hence the angle being D.O.A.


Posted By: Guest#6833 (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 07:24 PM

 
 
I'm surprised that NO ONE got the one true sign of the wrestling apocalypse. It's in NO ONE'S Top 5, and not even an honorable mention, but THIS EVENT ALONE set in motion a chain of events that forever changed the wrestling industry and lead to unspeakable consequences...

The tragic death of Eddy Guerrero.

Think about THAT ONE for a second. Up until the day of his tragic death, Eddy Guerrero was perhaps THE biggest success story in professional wrestling. He had survived a near-death experience in 1998 and, after several setbacks, managed to seemingly conquer his personal demons and TURN HIS LIFE AROUND. After years of abusing drugs, alcohol, steroids, and painkillers, Eddy managed to kick the habit and BECAME CLEAN... and McMahonagement eventually recognized and praised him for his efforts. He won the WWE title, became a Main Eventer, and was literally on the verge of winning a second title reign from an injured Batista...

And then Eddy Guerrero died.

Even though Eddy managed to turn his life alone, his success story became a tragic tale of "too little, too late". Had he not died, there is NO DOUBT that Eddy Guerrero would have been a WWE Main Eventer for YEARS to come and we would probably be talking about his classic matches and feuds with Triple H, John Cena, Edge, Randy Orton, HBK, The Undertaker, Chris Jericho, C.M. Punk, etc.

Even bigger, the death of Eddy Guerrero directly lead to the WWE Wellness Policy to divert attention from the federal government and any attempts from the government to regulate professional wrestling. Indirectly, it lead to the TNA Wellness Policy, the Signature Pharmacy scandal (to which Eddy Guerrero was posthumously linked), and renewed attempts from the federal government to crack down on drug use in Pro Wrestling, though that would come later. One can even argue that Eddy's death eventually lead to "The Wrestler", an Academy Award nominee that took a hard look at the seedy underbelly of professional wrestling. Truth be told, Eddy Guerrero's death was the first high profile wrestling death that lead to attempts to REFORM the wrestling industry, even if they didn't go far enough.

Sadly, that's not the biggest impact Eddy's death had. Indirectly, it may have contributed to a MUCH BIGGER TRAGEDY about 20 months later. After all, we all know WHO Eddy's closest friend WAS and how Eddy's death undoubtedly affected HIM, even if this person had much bigger mental problems that contributed to that tragic day in June 2007.


Posted By: Guest#9772 (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 09:42 PM

 
 
On a personal level... Benoit.

It very nearly killed wrestling for me.

Posted By: woody (Guest) on November 25, 2009 at 02:42 AM


You bunch of fucking babies... Had some wanker at K-Mart killed his family, would you stop buying your cheap, knock off shoes and Batista shirts there?


Posted By: Guest#2657 (Guest)  on November 25, 2009 at 11:46 PM

 
 
Hogan's hulkamania tour,i bet he's gonna bring all those old fuckers into tna and make it worse!!!!
Turning point was good,DON'T RUIN WHAT THEY'VE GOT GOING HULKSTER!!!!!


Posted By: Hulk Hogan of slammin muff (Guest)  on November 26, 2009 at 03:31 AM

 


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