411 Fact or Fiction 11.26.09: Survivor Series, Tomko's Return, Shane to UFC and more!
Posted by Jeremy Thomas on 11.26.2009
Did Survivor Series deliver as a "Big Four" Pay-Per-View? Did TNA blow Tomko's return? Would the Briscoe Brothers find success easy in the WWE? Will Kofi Kingston's push last through WrestleMania? 411's Aaron Hubbard and Rob McNew debate these topics and more in the latest edition of 411 Wrestling Fact or Fiction!
Welcome, one and all, to the 411 Wrestling Edition of Fact or Fiction! I'm your host Jeremy Thomas, and this week we have Survivor Series to talk about as well as several other wrestling-related newsbits! This week in our panel consists of two of our Wrestling Zone writers, with Raw and Superstars recapper Rob McNew textually sparring with the man behind the Wrestling Bard and the R's of ROH, Aaron Hubbard! We've got a lot of cover, so let's get to it!
Questions were sent out Monday.
Participants were told to expect WWE & TNA-related questions.
1. This year's Survivor Series had enough great moments befitting one of the WWE's "Big Four" Pay-Per-Views.
Aaron Hubbard:FACT. It depends on your perspective. Some people believe that every show has to be a Wrestlemania X-7 to even be worth consideration as a good show. It's an idealism with no justification. Despite what some people seem to think, PPVs rarely deliver more than two historic or memorable matches or moments. That's not to say they don't provide good matches, cool spots, and entertaining moments, but very few of them become iconic. So if we are basing it off of history, yes, Survivor Series delivered. All of the matches bar one were good. The main event was a great showdown between three of the most successful stars of the last decade. And we got to see Kofi Kingston get the biggest win of the year. So yeah, it was a good Survivor Series. Was it up to 1996's Gold Standard? No, but very few shows "Big Four" or otherwise are.
Rob McNew:FACT. While this wasn't a blow away pay per view it still provided enough moments to make it feel a bit more special than your typical WWE PPV. You had Shawn's stunning superkick to HHH which kicked off a legit match of the year contending triple threat. The continued elevation of Kofi Kingston seeing him pin both CM Punk and Randy Orton. This wasn't the show of the year by any means, or even the show of the month, but it was still a great show and worthy of "big four" status.
Score: 1 for 1
2. Whatever the result might be, the Mick Foley and Kevin Nash segments on iMpact were a poor start to the "Hogan in TNA" storyline.
Rob McNew:FICTION. I always want to see a story out before deciding if it's crap. I know that tends to be a novel concept among wrestling fans, but it's the only way I know. Could I see a million ways that this could end badly? Of course, but I've been wrong before. I'll reserve judgment until I see where this one is going.
Aaron Hubbard:FICTION. Was it great? No. Was it awful? No. Nash has a history with Hogan and it's good to reference that. Foley vs. Hogan is a dream match to any fan who's not concerned with workrate (most of the audience), so setting up a potential Foley vs. Hogan match is a good marketing ploy. Also, I have to admit that I'm at a loss for any better way to book Hogan, and if I can't think of a better way of doing things, there's not much use complaining about it. I say we take a wait and see approach. I usually ignore TNA storylines anyway and just focus on the matches.
Final Score: 2 for 2
3. News of their tryout match aside, the Briscoe Brothers would not find the WWE environment to be one that is friendly to their success.
Aaron Hubbard:FACT. The ideal side of me says that WWE's tag team division is so weak and the Briscoes could put some much needed "oomf" in the division. Unlike other teams the WWE has put out and given an initial big push, the Briscoes have proven to deliver in the ring, and their badass redneck gimmick is different from anything in the WWE right now. So if someone had any thought of having a new and exciting tag team, the Briscoes could fit the bill. However, I don't think anyone in WWE is interested in a new and exciting tag team, especially one who works the style of the Briscoes. I hope I'm wrong, because I'd love to see the Briscoes move up on a bigger stage, putting new life in WWE's tag division while giving the independent tag teams some breathing room.
Rob McNew:FICTION. If you're good enough you'll make in the WWE. Period. I don't want to hear about the WWE not caring about tag teams. The Tag Team Titles are likely going to main event the TLC pay per view. Cryme Tyme, The Hart Dynasty, Miz and Morrison, and others have all gotten over via the tag team ranks in recent years. While their future star might not be tied to the Briscoe Brothers team that in can certainly lead to bigger and better things for them.
Score: 2 for 3
4. Considering his new long-term contract and his potential, D'Angelo Dinero is likely to end up in the main event of TNA down the road.
Aaron Hubbard:FACT. Only a moron could look at D'Angelo Dinero and not see dollar signs. Right, WWE? This kid has talent, he has charisma, he delivers in the ring, he has a unique look. I think TNA signed him to a long term deal because of this. I don't think he will have instant success, but by the next time TNA has to offer a new contract, Dinero will be TNA World Champion.
Rob McNew:FACT. I've never really bought into the Elijah Burke/D'Angelo Dinero hype, but if TNA is serious about pushing a guy they're going to get there. Considering the list of people who have main evented TNA pay per view's in the past I see no reason to believe this guy won't either.
Score: 3 for 4
SWITCH!
5. Kofi Kingston's push stands a good chance of continuing all the way through WrestleMania.
Rob McNew:FACT. I think this one is the real deal. We've been burned before on aborted pushes for several guys in the past months, but Survivor Series showed me they are serious about this one. I could actually see a realistic scenario that gets him to Wrestlemania as a World Title challenger for Cena if is in fact taking on Taker. Regardless of that though the bare minimum I could see for Kofi would be Money in the Bank winner.
Aaron Hubbard:FACT. Although, this defends on your definition of "push". The people that think Kofi is going to win the Royal Rumble and main event Wrestlemania are going to be sorely disappointed. However, Kofi will remain a top star, and it will either be him or John Morrison that wins Money in the Bank. Kofi will become a regular presence in the main event for 2010. He won't be THE top guy but one of the top guys, like CM Punk only a babyface. Where he goes from there is dependent on his ability to connect with the audience and deliver good matches, and on staying healthy. So far Kofi has managed to do all three. I have high hopes for this kid, but only time will tell how brightly his star will shine.
Score: 4 for 5
6. Considering the fact that they seem intent on building up the Knockouts Division, it was a mistake for TNA to release Sojo Bolt.
Rob McNew:FICTION. The mistake here is building up the Knockouts Division to begin with. Releasing a character that most people could care less is not a mistake, and won't cost TNA one dime. Call her a botch machine all you want, but the vast majority of people would rather see Lacey Von Erich than SoJo Bolt every day of the week.
Aaron Hubbard:FICTION. Sojo Bolt never did anything to impress me. If TNA is serious about their Knockouts Division and wants to put some talent on their roster, they need to look into signing Sara Del Ray and a few other SHIMMER ladies, or looking into Japan for talented workers. With Rhaka Khan and Sojo Bolt gone, Tara there and Alissa Flash finally out of the restraints of her previous gimmick, the division actually looks fairly decent now. Bolt is no great loss.
Score: 5 for 6
7. Shane McMahon going to work for UFC would be a benefit to both industries.
Rob McNew:FICTION. I'm not sure what possible benefit this is to WWE. Losing an asset by Shane, and have him work for your top competitor is never a good thing. The WWE is a marketing machine, and having the former head of Global Media in the fold will only help UFC in that regard. So WWE's loss is certainly their gain, but make no mistake, this is a loss for WWE.
Aaron Hubbard:FICTION. This is an unfair question, because I really have no idea. However, FACT in this case is much harder to defend. Shane has years of business and marketing experience...for pro wrestling. Could that benefit UFC? I don't know. A lot of hardcore UFC fans hate wrestling because it's scripted and UFC is legitimate. I don't know if they'd take kindly to having wrestling marketing used on them more than it already is. Moreover, I don't think they'd take kindly to a "McMahon" in the MMA business. Even if they do embrace him, they'll say something along the lines of, "Wrestling is so fake and stupid that Vince McMahon's son came over to work for a REAL sport." Can Shane working for UFC help MMA? Possibly. Will it help wrestling? Unlikely.
Score: 6 for 7
8. TNA made a mistake in revealing Tomko in a seemingly random backstage segment instead of giving his return more impact.
Aaron Hubbard:FACT. Definitely. Tomko is one of the few WWE guys that really had more success in TNA and didn't have the stench of a WWE guy, the other being Matt Morgon. He improved in the ring and on the mic during his first TNA run and many pegged him as an eventual world champion. His return could have been a big deal. But a random promo with no hype isn't a big deal. Him coming to the ring for his first match back won't be a big deal. Like most, I assumed Tomko was AJ Styles' mystery attacker, given the history between both men. That would have been the best way to bring him back. TNA might be delivering in the ring right now, but that doesn't mean they aren't making asinine booking decisions.
Rob McNew:FICTION. I'm not really sure I'd call Tomko a big enough star to worry about making his return some big impactful moment. While his return probably could have been done better I'd be hard pressed to call it a mistake. Nothing against Tomko. I just don't think he's a guy who moves the needle.
Score: 6 for 8
Aaron and Rob go six for eight in this battle of opinions. Thanks to the both of them for their answers, and to you readers for clicking on the link and seeing what they had to say! That's all we have for this week…check us out next week for more 411 Wrestling Fact or Fiction!
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#1: Fiction. Survivor Series was a Big 2. Specifically a #2, as in a gigantic turd.
#2: Fiction. Anything is better than the WWE and SuperCena
#3: Fact. WWE doesn't like pushing tag teams.
#4: Fact. TNA, unlike WWE, isn't full of racists
#5: Fiction. WWE won't push him for very long because he is black
#6: Fiction. They could release every knockout but Cody Deaner and Lacey Von Erich and still have a better woman's division than the WWE.
#7: Fiction. Shane McMahon is a retard, just like his racist daddy and his horsefaced sister
#8: Fact. I don't even remember that happening, but Tomko was right, it is better than ever and especially better than anything the WWE could put on.
Posted By: Doug Lashaby (Guest) on November 25, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Rob, you do realize the Knockout's division has scored the highest rating on Impact many times in their segments many times, don't you?
Posted By: mp (Guest) on November 25, 2009 at 11:55 PM
Bringing Shane into the UFC is the worst move they could make. Not only is UFC at its peak, but Shane has more loyalty to his dad than to Zuffa/UFC or Dana. Shane is merely there to find out what they are doing right and what WWE is doing wrong. If UFC hires Shane, he won't last more then 3 years and he'll bolt right back home, to the WWE.
Posted By: Alcoholic (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 12:06 AM
Are you fact or fiction?
Posted By: Braden Walker (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 12:10 AM
"Call her a botch machine all you want, but the vast majority of people would rather see Lacey Von Erich than SoJo Bolt every day of the week."
I Call Bullshit I would rather watch Ashley Massaro become a Women's champion then watch the wrestling disease known as Lacy Von Erich and at least Sojo Bolt had SOME charisma and wasn't a black hole devoid of charisma or talent
Posted By: Mr. Panda (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 12:31 AM
#1: Fiction. Survivor Series was a Big 2. Specifically a #2, as in a gigantic turd.
#2: Fiction. Anything is better than the WWE and SuperCena
#3: Fact. WWE doesn't like pushing tag teams.
#4: Fact. TNA, unlike WWE, isn't full of racists
#5: Fiction. WWE won't push him for very long because he is black
#6: Fiction. They could release every knockout but Cody Deaner and Lacey Von Erich and still have a better woman's division than the WWE.
#7: Fiction. Shane McMahon is a retard, just like his racist daddy and his horsefaced sister
#8: Fact. I don't even remember that happening, but Tomko was right, it is better than ever and especially better than anything the WWE could put on.
Posted By: Doug Lashaby (Guest) on November 25, 2009 at 11:27 PM
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well done TNA fanboy, guess you never even watchwed SS or gvav e it a chance, if you hate WWE so much why even post about it
Posted By: theiceone (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 12:44 AM
Tomko could still be AJ's attacker. I think TNA might be worried that Tomko is not fresh enough in the fans memory so they reintroduce him as face and have him turn heel down the road.
Posted By: King Soprano (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 12:52 AM
1. Fiction: Survivor Series 2009 will mostly be remembered for....nothing. The storylines leading up to the PPV were weak and no follow through the next night expect for Kofi and Orton.
Gimp Taker won and SuperCena won...Big Deal.
2. Fiction: God, give it time. That is why it is called storytelling. You have to build up the drama.
3. Fiction: One of these two will stay, and the other will go. Vince likes it that way. Hey Rob, have you not heard....Tag Team Wrestling in WWE has ran its' course according to the WWE. That is why the titles are unified and being held by 2 former Heavyweight champs and will be passed on to two other heavyweight champs. Tag teams in Vince's mind are just to see who will rise (ex: Primo over Carlito, JTG over Shad, or Kidd over Smith)
4. Fact: Burke/Dinero is awesome. Ring presents--great, gimmick--great, mic skills--great. Nice to see Vince get burned on this one.
5. Fact: Kofi and Morrison are showing that their time is now. I like seeing both get there pushes. Now if the WWE can just do the same for the following: Finley, MVP, Hardy, Benjamin, Christian, and Kane.
6. Fiction: Who is this person again??
7. Fiction: When your right hand man leaves to chat it up with your competition is not good business.WWE currently can't benefit from it, because most UFC fighters laugh about the "realistic" world of professional wrestling. My personal belief is that Shane didn't like the way the WWE was going and wanted to see what he can do on a different front. The whole UFC thing to me is still just talk.
8. Fact so far: If you are using a storyline where there is a "mystery" attacker, it is usually a good idea to make the return have more meaning. However given the lackluster return, this leads to the question: Does TNA have another mystery guy in mind given the promo or is this another poorly executed move by Russo???
5.
Posted By: KT (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 01:36 AM
Elijah Burke is 31 years old. He shouldn't be called "kid" by anyone other than his parents.
Posted By: Guest#3453 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 01:25 AM
TNA Fanboy just fishing for an argument
Posted By: Guest#6699 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 01:43 AM
10 years ago, we would discuss raw around the water cooler. Now no one(at my work) watches anymore, I watch somtimes, but mainly check this site for news. The thing that made it so great then, was that anything could happen. All this pg rating stuff has made for bad tv. If you were a real ECW fan, you hate this stuff. They should get back to making wrestling, people want to see that.
Posted By: guest (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 02:37 AM
Fact: Kofi Kingston sucks and doesn't deserve this push.
Fact: The Briscoes in WWE would be similar to when the Sheepherders came in and were changed to The Bushwackers.
Posted By: Darren Runne (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 01:54 AM
Fact: The Briscoes in WWE would be similar to when the Sheepherders came in and were changed to The Bushwackers.
So you're essentially saying they'll become enormous superstars, make tons of money and work a much less strenuous style of wrestling?
Posted By: worthythorn (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 02:55 AM
Rob, you do realize the Knockout's division has scored the highest rating on Impact many times in their segments many times, don't you?
Posted By: mp (Guest) on November 25, 2009 at 11:55 PM
That's more of a knock against TNA as a whole than it's a compliment to the KO division.
Posted By: Guest#6552 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Elijah Burke is 31 years old. He shouldn't be called "kid" by anyone other than his parents.
Posted By: Guest#3453 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 01:25 AM
Well TNA's "future" is apparantly Daniels, Morgan & Herandez, the youngest of whom is 33.
There are very few people under the age of 30 in wrestling with true main event potential: Orton is already there, then there's Kofi Kingston, Miz, John Morrison and maybe a couple others at most.
Posted By: Guest#5461 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Fact: The Briscoes in WWE would be similar to when the Sheepherders came in and were changed to The Bushwackers.
Posted By: Darren Runne (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 01:54 AM
...Or when the Highlanders came in and were changed to the Bushwackers. haha
Posted By: DaHumorist (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 04:49 AM
Vince would ruin the Briscoes somehow, that's all there is to it. As sad as it is to say, I think they would have a better chance of "making it" in TNA.
Posted By: Guest#8292 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 07:02 AM
@ Doug Lashaby (Guest):
FACT: You're an idiot.
FICTION: You're smart.
Posted By: Dixiecrat (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 07:14 AM
"If you're good enough you'll make in the WWE. Period."
If by 'make it' you mean jobbing to Sheamus, Jack Swagger and the Miz, then yeah - right on.
Posted By: Jamie Noble, Evan Bourne & MVP (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 07:52 AM
looks like the tna fans are up early this morning
Posted By: faceman802 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 09:40 AM
#1: Fiction. Survivor Series was a Big 2. Specifically a #2, as in a gigantic turd.
#2: Fiction. Anything is better than the WWE and SuperCena
#3: Fact. WWE doesn't like pushing tag teams.
#4: Fact. TNA, unlike WWE, isn't full of racists
#5: Fiction. WWE won't push him for very long because he is black
#6: Fiction. They could release every knockout but Cody Deaner and Lacey Von Erich and still have a better woman's division than the WWE.
#7: Fiction. Shane McMahon is a retard, just like his racist daddy and his horsefaced sister
#8: Fact. I don't even remember that happening, but Tomko was right, it is better than ever and especially better than anything the WWE could put on.
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You really need to get a life.
Posted By: jbardo (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 09:52 AM
@ guest (Guest)
They dont care about us, they care about the younger folks. You know, the ones we were at one time of our lives...
Posted By: Guest#0493 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 10:41 AM
"well done TNA fanboy, guess you never even watchwed SS or gvav e it a chance, if you hate WWE so much why even post about it "
Posted By: theiceone (Guest)
Maybe he's trying to be a writer on 411 and missed the memo that blind hate towards TNA/loyalty to the E is the accepted norm 'round these parts.
"Fact: The Briscoes in WWE would be similar to when the Sheepherders came in and were changed to The Bushwackers. "
Posted By: Darren Runne (Guest)
Fact: Darren Runne is correct.
1: Fact. It was a medicore show but earns Big 4 worthiness status by virtue of most E PPVs sucking balls, particularly in the Gimmick Era.
2: Fiction. Wait and see, what a novel concept.
3: Fiction. It's a fact if success is measured solely in $$$. If they have some medical bills and need to earn a few easy bucks in development/riding out their no-compete then WWE=success. But they'll be castrated, handcuffed, and drowned in vanilla before (if) ever seeing the light of a camera. For the record, Rob, the tag titles wouldn't be headlining TLC, d-X would be. It's another throw together team that is putting the titles in the spotlight because the two guys holding them are already there. This isn't the first time, it won't be the last, and tag champs will be squashed by a lone main eventer before the end of 2010.
4: Fact. Looking at how young talent is being treated in the WWE he likely would have been in the main event mix had he stayed. (even if only briefly and no ECW doesn't count).
5: Fact. Mania yes. Summerslam next year highly doubtful.
6: Fiction. Sojo was pretty bad in the ring. Velvet is bad but I think a lot of that is intentional and she's not pushed for her workrate anyway.
7: Fiction. UFC yes. WWE no.
8: Fact. I almost forgot he returned and I'm a TNA fan who loves me some Tomko.
Posted By: elgrannoche (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 10:49 AM
TNA would do nothing with The Briscoes. All young talent can kiss their pushed goodbye when Hogan and friends show up. Not to mention TNA's "great" tag division is overrated, as it's just the Team 3D ego show. TNA has dropped the ball with LAX and Sabin and Shelley.
In WWE The Briscoes don't really need a tag division. They just need to be built up as an act that people care about and they can fight everybody in singles or tags like Miz and Morrison or Cryme Tyme.
Posted By: Yeah right! (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 02:09 PM
"#4: Fact. TNA, unlike WWE, isn't full of racists"
Number of non-white TNA champions: 1
Number of non-white WWE champions: 7
Posted By: Anonymous (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Fact: The Briscoes in WWE would be similar to when the Sheepherders came in and were changed to The Bushwackers.
So you're essentially saying they'll become enormous superstars, make tons of money and work a much less strenuous style of wrestling?
Posted By: worthythorn (Guest)
more like kinda famous (for wrestlers), make decent money and be jobber caricatures of their heritage.
I can guarantee that more wrestling fans nowadays know jerry brisco as being mr mcmahon's lackey with pat patterson than as one of the greatest wrestlers of his time period so that's a non-issue in my mind
for everyone praising turning point and condemning SS I would like to point out 2 things...both ppvs had great triple threat matches in which the champion overcame the odds and retained their belt and both elevated a mid-carder to uppercard status, one in a close loss and the other who pinned 2 former world champions, one of which is the internets darling, and the rest of the card, by all reviews and critiques I read, was just kinda there. Yet one is praised as the ppv of the decade and the other panned as another pointless piece of crap
Posted By: faceman802 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 02:47 PM
Ok Doug Lashaby I ll bite. You and your TNA loving ass can crawl back into what ever gutter you came out of. You suck hardcore and your six sided shit that calls itself a ring will make a great bonfire for WWE when we swallow you up. As far as calling Taker a gimp that is assnine he dominated and has been moving around graet lately he runs the ropes faster than 360 pound Samoa Joe.
Posted By: Radtke (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Aaron makes a great point in the first response. I do think a lot of people are hell bent on living in the past and that makes them by default overly negative. Survior Series 2009 can't possible another Survior Series because it's 2009! Not [insert year here]!
Kinda like all those NFL fans that still think their teams are great because of past seasons and not the current one. Amma lookin' at you Ravens and Panthers's fans.
Posted By: Eboney (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Fact: The Briscoes in WWE would be similar to when the Sheepherders came in and were changed to The Bushwackers.
So you're essentially saying they'll become enormous superstars, make tons of money and work a much less strenuous style of wrestling?
Posted By: worthythorn (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 02:55 AM
Don't be silly, logic isn't required around here.
Posted By: Guest#5514 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 12:28 PM
I feel sorry for Sojo Bolt. Further truth, that a talented black woman in wrestling will never be able to survive over some blond bimbo who can shake her tits. (And don't tell that Von Erich has a family name and history bullshit. That went out the door once she stepped foot in a TNA ring)
Posted By: Logos (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 02:43 PM
Fact: The Briscoes in WWE would be similar to when the Sheepherders came in and were changed to The Bushwackers.
So you're essentially saying they'll become enormous superstars, make tons of money and work a much less strenuous style of wrestling?
Posted By: worthythorn (Guest)
more like kinda famous (for wrestlers), make decent money and be jobber caricatures of their heritage.
Posted By: Guest#3016 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 01:28 PM
'10 years ago, we would discuss raw around the water cooler. Now no one(at my work) watches anymore, I watch somtimes, but mainly check this site for news. The thing that made it so great then, was that anything could happen. All this pg rating stuff has made for bad tv. If you were a real ECW fan, you hate this stuff. They should get back to making wrestling, people want to see that.'
95% of the Attitude era was rated TVPG. you do know that, right? maybe it is just time to stop blaming an arbitrary rating for the fact that you just grew up a little.
Posted By: Darth Mortis (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 01:34 PM
TNA not fulll of racists? That person should ask Konnan about that. Rumor has it he managed to get a good 6 figure settlement as a result.
Posted By: LOL! (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 02:03 PM
WWE didn't lose out on ELijah Burke. He's a egomaniacal mark with a bad attitude. They have to avoid pushing anymore wrestlers who are headcases. It would especially be a problem if they become a main eventer and you have to tolerate their behavior. WWE doesn't need another Brock who walked out in the middle of his run or Randy Orton from a few years ago.
Posted By: Please! (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 02:06 PM
I not trying to flame or anything but McNew comes across as a dick on the recaps and he does again here. nft.
Posted By: Mentalist (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 03:14 PM
This being thanksgiving i wanna give thanks to all the TNA fanboys who make me laugh every single day
Posted By: Dustin Young (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 05:46 PM
#1: Fiction. Survivor Series was a Big 2. Specifically a #2, as in a gigantic turd.
Posted By: Doug Lashaby (Guest) on November 25, 2009 at 11:27 PM
You may have spouted a load of pro-TNA anti-WWE crap but you're right about the Survivor Series - far too predictable and not worth the £15 I had to pay Sky Sports to watch it. The good stuff just didn't counter the tedious guff that I had to sit through. Night of Champions is still the best WWE PPV I've seen this year.
Posted By: JAK (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 06:16 PM
love how Hubbard, who is 19ish calls Kofi a "kid"...
Posted By: BlueOyster (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 08:39 PM
