The MeeThinks Friday FreeThinks: 11.27.09
Posted by John Meehan on 11.27.2009
Thanksgiving leftovers, and a heckuva lot for Mee to be thankful for....
Happy Thanksgiving, all. And thanks for tuning in for the regularly scheduled week-end wrap-up of all things professional wrestling-related. As always, I'm here to shine a positive light on some of the more critically assailed stories of the week. And wherever possible, I try to find the positive side in even the bleakest of news items (wherever possible).
A quick note before we get started, however --
This week while headed home to New Jersey to visit my family for the Thanksgiving holiday, I was involved in a pretty serious car accident. Minus a few scrapes and bruises here and there, I managed to walk away from the mess relatively unscathed. The wheels, however, are another story altogether. Regardless -- I appreciate your readership, and I most certainly have a LOT to be thankful for in this holiday season.
Unfortunately, my attention has been (understandably) diverted elsewhere than wrestling this week (which is a real shame too, since I was there LIVE in attendance at last week's Survivor Series pay-per-view, and had every intention of writing up a complete report of the event accordingly) -- and so this week's column is pretty much relegated to whatever content I was able to cobble together prior to Wednesday night's accident.
Anyhow --
Thanks in advance for understanding, and my apologies if this week's report seems a bit on the scattershot and unfocused side of the spectrum (I usually manage to iron out these sorts of things on Thursdays).
In the mean time --
Enjoy the column. And have a *SAFE* and happy holiday weekend wherever you are.
The SELL of the week goes to Triple H, who took a superkick right in the jaw and proceeded to lay "unconscious" as the result of the surprise attack on the outside of the ring for the better part of (yes) FIVE WHOLE MINUTES. While I'd normally dismiss something like this as a cartoonish oversell, I can't help but give the guy props for eating his partner's finisher cleanly and going over and beyond the call of duty to make it look all the more devastating simply by sheer virture of its "shock value." In an era of WWE's TV-PG, "shock value" is actually pretty hard to come by, and speaking from a fan who was in live attendance at the Survivor Series, the arena went absolutely wild when Triple H ate a clean Sweet Chin Music right in the mouth and spent five whole minutes collecting himself to hammer home the impact of the move.
The TELL of the week goes to John Cena, whose otherwise impressive Monday Night RAW showdown against CM Punk was noticably hampered from the moment that the WWE Champion attempted to whip the Straightedge Superstar from one ringpost to another and then administer a drop toehold. Why's that? Because Cena called his spot WAAAY too loudly, and so anyone with a TiVo remote (or a volume level higher than 4) could hear The Doctor Of Thuganomics telling the "arch enemy" that he was supposed to be "wrestling" that a drop toehold was immediately to follow. Sorry Johnny, but you've gotta' do a better job of hiding this kind of thing.
*Bonus TELL of the week goes to Shelton Benjamin, who made a similar gaffe in his bout against Zack Ryder while calling out a hangman spot. Normally a mistake of this magnitude would earn automatic Tell of the Week dishonors -- but it's hard to hold an ECW performer to the same standard as a RAW main-eventer.
Maryse - Former WWE Women's Champion Maryse made her surprise return to World Wrestling Entertainment this week, when she unveiled herself as the performer beneath the famed Gobbledy Gooker costume in a sneak-attack ambush on current WWE Divas' Champion Melina.
Alex Reynolds - local performer Alex Reynolds made a one-off appearance on this week's ECW on SyFy broadcast, where he was quickly dispatched by the Land of Extreme's newest star on the rise in Vance Archer, who continues to dominate unsigned talent in one-sided affairs. Reynolds is not believed to have signed a long-term WWE contract at this time.
None - In a welcome development, there are no wrestler obituaries, contract terminations, or retirements to announce in this week's news report.
The Big Show - Former heavyweight champion The Big Show is scheduled to miss several weeks worth of action as the result of a knee injury. This explain's Show's absence from Monday Night RAW, as well as his submission defeat at the hands of The Undertaker at this past Sunday night's Survivor Series PPV. Big Show's injury is not expected to put him on the shelf for a prolonged period of time, but it could limit his onscreen activity for several weeks.
In this segment, I'll be firing off a handful of micro-commentaries at some of the industry's biggest stars and stories. Where appropriate, I'll even try incorporating some one-liners from the week that was in the 411 wrestling zone's comments section.
For those of y'all who aren't familiar with Twitter-style posting, the format is simple:
@Recipient's Name - 140 character message goes here. #MessageTopic
And before you ask: No, these aren't actual tweets.
FAKE TWEETS OF THE WEEK
@Traci Brooks - Sorry about the arm injury. But I think your job is safe: Hulkster has a thing for crippled sidekicks. #ZackGowan
@Molly Holly - Good news: you're officially no longer the "fattest non-fatty" in the WWE Universe. #PiggieJames
@Washington DC - How dare you boo CM Punk -- the guy's won more times this year than the Redskins. #Truth
@R Truth - Washington D.C... "What's Up!?" #JimZornsTenureAsHeadCoach
@WWE Divas Elimination Match - You can go ahead and finish now. We're all back from the restrooms. #Terrible
@dX - Honest question -- which of you has betrayed *more* partners? #ReadersPleaseCommentBelow
@Gangrel - Might wanna buy yourself some body glitter. I hear sparkly vampires are all the rage these days. #Twilight
@That Asshole Who Slammed on His Breaks In Front of Me and Caused a Three-Car Pileup - So *THAT*s what it feels like to feel the gore, gore, GORE. #FullBodyBruise #FML
@Maryse - Didn't think watching a Playboy centerfold disrobe could be so boring. But well, here we are. #GobbledyGooker
@Cody Rhodes @Ted DiBiase @Dolph Ziggler @Jack Swagger - Sheamus, Miz, McIntyre and Kofi are thankful for your pushes. #Thanksgiving
None - Once again -- and perhaps in light of the Thanksgiving holiday -- employees and employers alike have been on their best behavior over the past seven days. Touring schedules and backstage tensions traditionally tend to lighten up over this time of the year, but the usual tensions will almost assuredly resume once both rosters hit the road with their regular touring schedule starting on Monday night.
*Due to circumstances (quite literally!) beyond my control, no data is available for this week's head-to-head RAW vs. MNF showdown at this time. No worries, though -- and this section will resume as scheduled in next Friday's column.
Internet Wrestling Fans Continue to Complain Despite New Stars, Same Old Arguments Subsist from the Internet Wrestling Community
*(An open letter to the kind folks who always find something to complain about. Like ending a sentence with a preposition, for example. Yup -- that's who I'm talking to.)
(See what I did there? Twice, actually.)
Dear Morons Anonymous Internet Wrestling Critics,
Thanks for reading 411mania.com, and an extra special thanks for posting your insightful comments below so many of our breaking stories and daily news reports. Your continued readership is valuable to our site and our efforts, and we really appreciate your support!
One small thing, however --
It's come to my attention that a vocal minority of you often find fault in just about EVERYTHING that airs each week on one particular wrestling broadcast or another. And while we most certainly appreciate your spirited discussion, I just can't help but notice that some of you seem to find something new and different to complain about with each new broadcast EACH AND EVERY SINGLE WEEK. Sheamus' sudden arrival in the main event picture in World Wrestling Entertainment is just the latest in a long line of examples. But perhaps this is to be expected -- after all, "foodies" (the types who obsess over fine cuisine) often nitpick every last detail of even the best of meals, "sommeliers" (wine-tasting pros) can pinpoint even the most obscure inperfection in the finest of wines, and "film buffs" (movie nerds) seem to take particular glee in skewering continuity errors in even the most critically acclaimed and commercially successful films of all time.
In other words, I get it: "complaining about something even when it's passable or (gasp!) GOOD somehow makes you (the critic) look even BETTER by comparison." After all, only the most SERIOUS of fans could point out flaws that might otherwise go unnoticed to the untrained eyes of the hoi polloi, right?
Fair enough.
Now then -- the obvious line of defense from many a heated responding commentator would say "ok, Mr. Hot Shot. You think YOU could do better?" And -- true to form -- so many of these original supercritics would likewise just turn right back around and say "Don't have to. After all, I never said that *I* was a professional wrestler."
And again, fair enough.
You're not claiming to be better than them at the actual professional wrestling or entertainment business. You're merely claiming to be a fan -- and an INFORMED one, at that (after all, those lunkhead performers in spandex before you are really no more than gelatinous mesomorphs, am I right?). You needn't actually set foot in the ring to put on a show of superior athletic or dramatic ability -- you're simply asking the performers "brawn" to hold up their end of the bargain and not insult your "brains" as a wrestling fan.
"Let the muscle-bound lunkheads do the heavy lifting. For THAT is their job, after all."
And for a final time, "fair enough" I say.
But insofar as it is the PROFESSIONAL WRESTLERS' "job" (as an entertainer) to use their brawn to entertain you with their athleticism and storytelling ability, it is YOUR job (read: *OUR* jobs) as fans to use our brains and provide them with constructive, well-reasoned feedback so that they may continue to improve along the way.
In other words: "Entertainers are expected to be good at entertaining, and critics are expected to be good at critique."
But if that's the case --
When honing YOUR art of critique (even via mediums as small and inconsequential as internet message boards or column-ending feedback forms):
Spell things properly.
Captitalize where appropriate. Use complete sentences. Master the fine art of punctuation. And learn how to make a coherent argument.
Failing that, your "critique" is no more valuable or worthwhile than even the sloppiest of in-ring or onscreen performances. In fact, it's actually all that much worse.
Warmest regards,
- Meehan
Sheamus Arrives as Number One Contender to WWE Championship Irishman's Sudden Momentum Draws Wrestling Fans' Ire
Quick history lesson for you:
Two months ago...
Fun Fact: My TitanTron entrance graphic uses the "Wolverine" font face.
Ring Of Honor standout Nigel McGuinness debuted on TNA programming as "Desmond Wolfe" and was immediately vaulted to the top of the card in a high-profile feud against the company's resident big dog in Kurt Angle. Accordingly, the Wolfe/Angle feud inevitably gave way to a tremendous run of upward mobility for the former ROH Champion. And almost immediately thereafter, fans all across the web hailed TNA for their bold initiative and willingness to take chances on pushing new talent.
Keep in mind that Desmond Wolfe had never made so much as ONE televised appearance on TNA programming prior to being plugged into his program against Kurt Angle. Sure, he was kinda like a big deal in ROH -- but to the average iMPACT! viewer or Joe-ticket-buyer in the iMPACT Zone (ah who am I kidding -- those tickets are comped)? The guy was a virtual unknown.
Flash forward to this week on RAW...
Got a problem with me there, fella?
Sheamus, the red brand's latest monster heel, won one one but TWO matches in a night's time to earn himself a title shot at John Cena's WWE Championship. At the conclusion of the broadcast, Sheamus even managed to powerbomb the WWE posterboy through a table in the center of the ring -- thus reminding viewers that regardless of how well-established he may or may not yet be, a Tables Match actually levels the playing field between veteran performer and upstart superstar, as the stipulation renders it such that the bout could be won or lost in a mere blink of an eye.
Keep in mind that Sheamus had spent several months prior to his RAW debut developing serious credibility among the ECW ranks. While you're at it, kindly remember how on the previous night, Sheamus was one of three surviving members of a traditional elimination-style Survivor Series team battle. And in the three weeks prior, he has run roughshod over the smaller supporting characters of the Monday Night RAW roster -- assaulting timekeepers, laying out Hall of Fame announcers, and ending the career of one an established (if inconsequential) veteran performer along the way. And for the superfans out there -- keep in mind that Sheamus is actually a two-time International Heavyweight Champion from his tenure in Irish Whip Wrestling, and a former Florida Championship Wrestling champion to boot.
But while you're at it:
Keep in mind that a healthy chunk of wrestling fans the world over (and a good many of the same who heralded Desmond Wolfe's TNA arrival) have instantly dismissed Sheamus as an undeserving main-event also-ran.
Moral of the story?
Internet fans are a fickle bunch, and it's really no wonder why wrestling companies tend to ignore their critiques accordingly.
Let's face facts, here:
Sheamus has arrived in the WWE main event just as quickly as Desmond Wolfe has arrived in the TNA main event. Granted, Sheamus doesn't have the previous track record of success in smaller promotions or "smart" fan-following that Nigel McGuinness Desmond Wolfe has -- but from a purely onscreen perspective? Both guys are virtual unknowns who've simply come out of the gate with a bang and made a serious run toward the top of their respective roster despite an almost non-existent onscreen tenure with the company prior to their main-event arrival.
Heck, you might even argue that Sheamus was actually *MORE* well-established as a threat prior to earning his shot against John Cena than Desmond Wolfe was when he simply arrived from out of nowhere and was handed a fight with Kurt Angle.
Oh that's right...
"But Sheamus wasn't a former Ring Of Honor Champion!"
Sorry, fanboys... but: "big. freakin. deal."
Both Desmond Wolfe and Sheamus won titles in other promotions, but casual fans couldn't know (or care) less. As such, when each man arrived to their new employers with a name change and a clean slate, noth guys are just as deserving (or UNdeserving) of a main event push upon their arrival. And there is absolutely no reason for Sheamus to be any more or less successful at THIS STAGE OF HIS CAREER in World Wrestling Entertainment than Desmond Wolfe has been in TNA Wrestling (again, at this stage of his career).
*That is, of course, until you remember the fact that TNA's audience is really nowhere near the size of WWE's -- and thus there is more likely to be a substantial overlap between TNA's most loyal supporters and the regular viewers of smaller, independent wrestling promotions like Ring Of Honor.
But fans of ROH/TNA/Nigel McGuinness/Desmond Wolfe (many of whom are Sheamus' biggest critics) can't have it both ways.
Either TNA is a LOCAL promotion with a LOCAL fanbase (as evidenced by the fledgling ticket sales) and a LOCAL appeal (as evidenced by the sheer number of free events which eminate from Orlando) -- and thus decorated newcomers from other LOCAL promotions (like Ring Of Honor) can continue to expect high-profile pushes and storylines upon their arrival to the TNA ranks...
OR
TNA is a NATIONAL promotion with a NATIONAL fanbase and a NATIONAL appeal -- and thus past accolades don't mean diddly, and every decorated newcomer (like, for example, a former Florida Championship Wrestling champion or a former Ring Of Honor champion) should have to earn his high-profile spot accordingly. Just like so many fans are expecting Sheamus to do (and do, and do again) in World Wrestling Entertainment.
Simple as that.
PS: Don't get too upset about Sheamus taking on John Cena in yet another of WWE's "rinse-and-repeat Monster versus Da' Champ" storylines.
Lest we forget, Cena/Umaga was actually a pretty freaking awesome contest.
Sheamus' WWE Championship Match Leaves Fans Confused New Talent Arrival in Main Event Begs an Obvious Question
For those fans who weren't whining about Sheamus being included in the main event picture simply by virtue of the fact that he's Sheamus alone (and thus "too green," "too new," and everything else in between), there were a second handful of fans who were actually all for a new talent getting a title shot -- they'd just rather it not be THIS particular new talent.
The most popular alternative?
"Hey, I'm fine with new faces in the title hunt. But why not Kofi Kingston?"
Kofi Kingston is definitely a step closer to main event legitimacy than some of the other members of the RAW roster, Sheamus included. But there's no hiding the fact that the Once-Jamaican Sensation still hasn't had a proper blowoff to his one-on-one feud with Randy Orton. By all conventional wrestling logic, even if Kofi was to earn himself a title shot, Orton would almost assuredly run-in on the contest and cost him the belt -- simply by virtue of his unfinished business.
WWE has already got a tailor made feud between Kofi and Orton that should (presumably) be coming to a head any day now (read: at TLC, if not sooner). Win or lose, Kingston already looks better simply by virtue of the fact that he's been able to get the upper hand on a former WWE Champion for the better part of a month now. His push has been sudden, but sustained nonetheless -- so why squander a potential starmaking feud between a legit up-and-comer and his best-known adversary simply to throw the guy into a title match that he has no reasonable chance of winning?
If he can prove he has what it takes to main event by way of his feud with Randy Orton, then rest assured that Kofi's time will come.
Mick Foley.
Daily Show.
Seriously, it's pretty hard to top this:
And With That, I'm Outta' Here
Thanks again for reading, folks. And thanks all the more for sticking it out through a column that (admittedly) could have used a bit more polish and critical attention. Barring any unforeseen circumstances (automotive or otherwise), I should be back in full force by next week. So again, thanks for your patience, enjoy the kick-start to the Holiday Season, and always stay positive.
You know your right, it bothered me that Sheamus is going to be in the main event. Slightly because I don't think he is that good(and you can't tell me you think he is as good in the ring as Desmond Wolfe) but I think it bothers me more that they have done just a little bit of build-up(which was descent, I must say) and now they are feeding him to John Cena. I think if you really could get most of the fans to be honest, thats what really bothers them, because this means Cena will(short of a miracle) be champion until AT LEAST the Royal Rumble. I can't imagine them actually putting the belt on Sheamus, which means he(more than likely) will be getting the Umaga treatment. Nice build, loss to Cena, then a glorified jobber to anyone the "E" decides to feed him to. But thats just how I see it.
Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 12:20 AM
Gotta say that there is a difference between jumping to the Main Event in TNA and being vaulted into the Main Event in WWE. A few differences:
1) Wolfe isn't facing the World Title holder. He's in a program with the biggest name, but not the biggest belt.
2) WWE has a history of building the monster of the month, and then dropping them back to the midcard. See: Khali, Kane, Giant Gonzales, Earthquake, Big Bossman...
3) The style of the wrestler affects the potential storyline. Sheamus is a monster heel, based on brawling and power. Wolfe is a technician. The question is what happens after the feud.
Posted By: Ray Church (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 12:30 AM
FOLEY IS GOOD.
Posted By: Jeremy Thomas (Registered) on November 27, 2009 at 12:31 AM
There's a big difference between the pushes received by Desmond and Sheamus. You say Sheamus "had spent several months prior to his RAW debut developing serious credibility among the ECW ranks", but I'd argue the exact opposite.
How many wrestlers have been brought in by WWE and had local jobbers fed to them week after week? How many of them have gone on to become legitimately over and/or shown that they're talented guys who deserve their spot? I believe that WWE has (unintentionally) conditioned its fans to actually care LESS about someone who wins squash matches every week, just by the fact that barely anyone who is brought in with this approach ends up being any good.
As such, I think it's actually better to come in with NO track record and be pushed to the moon, rather than pushing a guy who's already been categorised by a lot of the fans as "just another jobber killer."
That's just the way I see it.
Posted By: Tim (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 12:38 AM
The reason why people complain about Shamus is because he's in THE number one promotion and going up against THE Champion, John Cena. Wolf on the other hand is in a "wwe superstars" show equivalent in TNA and people could care less about him. Why do you think both TNA and Superstars air on the same day? Both are on the same level =-)
Shamus ='s Wolf in a bigger and tougher pond.
But I'm confident Shamus will prove them all wrong...he's the future!
Posted By: The Truth (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 12:38 AM
only thing that bothers me about Sheamus getting a shot is that the E has no BALLS to have Cena drop the title to him.IF they did wow
Posted By: Guest#9742 (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 12:57 AM
On the one hand, I can understand the Desmond/Sheamus comparison, but when you break it down, the two scenarios are actually quite different. The main difference is that, while Desmond was immediately programmed against main event talent Kurt Angle, Angle is NOT the company's top title-holder.
If Sheamus had begun a feud with another RAW main eventer (let's say HHH for example), I doubt people would be bitching about the booking decision. However, the fact that Sheamus is being presented as the top contender for the world title is ludicrous, because he has no credibility. There's a difference between a main event feud and a world title feud. The Miz feuded with John Cena earlier this year, and not many people bitched about it (aside from The Miz haters), because Cena wasn't the world champ at that time. That's the difference. To feud with the world champion, you need to look like a threat. Sheamus has beaten NO ONE of any real value, no disrespect to Finlay or Jamie Noble, but in regards to their positions on the pecking order, they are jobbers.
Posted By: Tom (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 12:57 AM
first off tna's fan base knew who wolfe was from roh if not all then at least half did nobody really knows who sheamus is unless they watched ecw or fcw second and most important you tell me whats will get you notice faster being a bully beating the crap out of guys smaller then you or picking a fight with an established popular guy and kicking his ass before having a match if you don't see the difference i'll spell it out for you sheamus was put on a slow burn and in a way earned a shot which was the wrong move cuz he jump a head of the pack with no type of heat like with happen tn jbl year ago wolfe debuted at the top getting instead heat in jumping kurt and getting over on him week in and week out thats why people are craping on sheamus getting a title shot he isn't anything special you can put anyone in that spot swagga, miz, legacy hell kofi could have got the shot a then got screwed by orton sheamus wasn't made to look like a threat to cean like wolfe was wwe droped the ball and you blame it on the fans
Posted By: Guest#8264 (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 01:06 AM
I like your argument in the Wolfe / Sheamus debate. I'm a longtime casual fan, so smaller promotions are alien to me. I saw the instant push of both men as surprising but promising. I think Sheamus' push is more of a shock because he was never an internet darling like Nigel.
That said -- WWE has a couple weeks to turn Sheamus into a monster. If I was booking this, I'd have the match end via referee stoppage. Yes, it's a screwy ending but it will go a long way in building Sheamus for the long run.
Posted By: Guest#9405 (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 01:34 AM
"It's come to my attention that a vocal minority of you often find fault in just about EVERYTHING that airs each week on one particular wrestling broadcast or another."
*Blinks*
Wait....you've been writing columns THIS long?? And this is JUST NOW coming to your attention??? I've been bitching about this for years!
*TWIST OF FAT TO THE IWC!*
Posted By: Fatt Hardy (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 02:18 AM
I am completely on board for Sheamus's TLC title match, but I wish he'd been booked a little better in the battle royal which led up to his shot. I don't understand why Sheamus won in such a flukish fashion when he needs all the momentum he can get going into this title shot. Randy distracting Kofi and leading to his elimination was the right call, but either Mark Henry or MVP should have been left behind for Sheamus to eliminate with authority to really make it look like he'd earned the victory.
I know a lot of people are complaining about the fact that Sheamus has no chance of taking the title, but that's not what this match is going to be about. As long as the outcome of the other title matches is in doubt, this ppv can afford at least one match where the contest outweighs the decision. If Cena can get Sheamus over, he'll be on the map and there will be a fresh heel in the upper card. That's what is important right now. Sheamus doesn't need to win the belt, and we don't need to believe he will during the build up. If they put on a match where the audience buys a couple of the near falls despite their skepticism, elevation will have been obtained.
Posted By: Goar-Goar-Gordin (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 02:35 AM
That said -- WWE has a couple weeks to turn Sheamus into a monster. If I was booking this, I'd have the match end via referee stoppage. Yes, it's a screwy ending but it will go a long way in building Sheamus for the long run.
Posted By: Guest#9405 (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 01:34 AM
In theory that might be ok, but its a tables match. Can't really end that be referee stoppage, cause once someone goes thru a table its over. Here's how I see it. Ref bump, Sheamus gets a table spot on Cena, but the ref is down and doesn't see it. This allows Cena to come back, get the win, but keeps Sheamus strong since he technically did have Cena beaten. It'll set up the rematch at Rumble in an Irish Street Fight which Cena wins but again Sheamus looks strong. Doesn't hurt Sheamus at all to drop two matches in this manner and it elevates him to another level without putting the belt on him.
Posted By: Skiddy (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 02:45 AM
I really have no complaints or opinion either way, but I just have to say I LOL'd at the person that added a "s" to the end of an equals sign. I always thought "=" meants equals.
Posted By: Rock Robster (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 07:36 AM
Yes, guest 8624, many more people would know Nigel McGuinness from ROH, an independent promotion with little tv exposure, over Sheamus from his run in ECW, a program on SyFy in a primetime slot. The problem has been years long. People (IWC) think that following a crappy indy fed makes them a smarter fan than you. Also, guest, how funny is it that you didn't read the spelling and grammar rant...
On another note, The E needs to keep pushing Kingston as a lone wolf, Stone Cold style. Stop putting him with MVP and Mark Henry. He needs to not smile.
Posted By: BALman (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 07:50 AM
Hey dumbass. The difference between Wolfe in TNA and Shemus in WWE is that we know Cena is going to destroy Shemus and bury him because that is what WWE and Vince think is good for business(ASSHOLES), however because there is no tittle involved there is a chance that Wolfe will be put over, and even if he isn't the match itself will be good. It dosn't matter who you put in the ring with Cena, it gonna be a fucking abortion since Cena wrestles like old people fuck. In summary the two situations are not the same, and if you think otherwise then you are a retarded jagoff.
Posted By: awsome69 (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 08:02 AM
You hit the nail on the head with your analysis of the Sheamus/Desmond situation. I especially liked the point you made with the LOCAL vs. NATIONAL argument.
And as far as your open letter to IWC members and their spelling/grammar...three cheers. I don't expect Pulitzer-worthy writing, but I also hate when people butcher the English language. Misplaced commas and things of that ilk are really minor, but it bothers me when people can't even use your/you're correctly.
Good column. Best wishes to you and yours, and thank goodness no one was seriously hurt.
Posted By: MasterShake (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 10:00 AM
The thing with Raw is that the talent pool versus fresh feuds is dried up. The fact that Cena DIDN'T go to SD! during the Orton/Cena "blow-off" match made the Raw waters very stagnant. Now, they have no one to give him. Why Sheamus? Why NOT Sheamus? Cena's gona win vs anyone, might as well give a little shock value. Who knows, maybe Sheamus will have a good showing. Maybe he will fade into obscurity. But at least we won't see Cena/HHH #321523. Honestly, who else should be there? Sadly, the belt has less value due to lack of competition. I am more psyched for Kofi/Orton and anything involving The Miz, and it seems it will be that way until either Kofi jumps up, or the roster gets a shake-up.
Posted By: MPMoore (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 10:03 AM
So let me get this straight. The fans bitching about Sheamus getting a title shot would rather see another four to six months of the John Cena/Randy Orton/Triple H/Shawn Michaels show and shut out any other challenger?
Besides, Sheamus is buddy-buddy with Triple H. That guarantees a title reign or two. See: Shawn Michaels, Brock Lesnar.
Posted By: The IWC (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 10:14 AM
The problem I have with the Cena/Sheamus match is the following:
1. Sheamus hasn't done much to get noticed. I mean, no real rival match, no former championships in the WWE of any kind, no real mic skills, and beats up the locals (pretty weak). At least with Wolfe, there is no title involved, wrestling fans know who he is, and, according the the promos, someone hired Wolfe to take out Angle (the question is who).
2. What's next after TLC. If Cena wins at TLC--what do we get--a rematch at the Rumble??? If Sheamus wins---we might have a Fatal Four way with Cena, Orton and Kingston (good move, but that means Sheamus drops the belt) or are the fans going to see SuperCean win it back at the Rumble and loss it again at the Elimination Chamber PPV?
3. I think fans, like myself, want to see the superstars grow, that is why you have a the U.S./Intercontinental Title/ECW Heavyweight Title. I was surprised that the WWE didn't go with a former Champ given MVP and Kofi's run as US Champs. I was equally surprised that guys like Regal/Carlito/Benjamin/Hardy/Christian/Miz didn't even compete in the Battle Royal given their time in the WWE.
Based on Raw, I would have had MVP win: better promos would be made, better match would be given. I would have the contract signing the next Raw, MVP and Cena starts to get up in each others' faces during the signing and Henry snaps(defending his friend), slams Cena through the table (hence the table match). During the build up Henry and MVP try to have Cena except Henry's apology for what happened and it goes from bad to worse; at TLC both come in as faces and have a clean table match with MVP winning(hugs and handshakes) at the end), then Porter agrees to a rematch at the Rumble on the next RAW, wins at the Rumble by cheating and Henry and Porter become the Heel team of Raw. Cena is out until Mania (where he returns to face his greatest challenge...the Undertaker, and work on some movie project) and Orton becomes the new face challenging MVP for the title (MVP claiming to be the new legend in professional wrestling and Orton love to kill legends) at Mania. Meanwhile Kofi is dealing with Henry (thanks to Henry eliminating him at the Rumble, to protect MVP's title.)
Sheamus continues to destroy the competition (both friend and foe) and claims he is not respected because he is not getting title opportunities, just in time for Swagger/Bourne or Miz (whomever is US Champ) to try to stop him at Wrestlemaina, thus building Sheamus for the next level.
But again my opinion
Posted By: KT (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Dear Meehan,
Your column was awesome this week.
Thanks,
Polish Post
Seriously, I have been trying to point out to my peers for quite some time that their comments are, in essence, their voice. When you type comments riddled with spelling and grammatical errors, it cancels out any valid point you are trying to make.
Here is an example from a comment I read recently:
"He has great, skill and great, mic skills and great, ring presents."
The commas being in the wrong spots was the first indication this person was a little dumb. Then they dropped "ring presents". This just reeks of someone hearing about ring presence and then trying to use the term, even though they have no idea what it means.
If you only know how to type simple sentences and use monosyllabic words, then do that! I would rather debate someone on equal footing and dumb down my vocabulary than watch somebody struggle with the English language in an attempt to appear smart.
Its this simple: smart people make stupid points and stupid people make smart points sometimes. But when you try to seem smarter than you are and reach while trying to make your point, your message will be lost.
Posted By: Polish Post (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 10:18 AM
There's a huge difference between how TNA and WWE have traditionally dealt with the existance of other promotions, and therefore expectations for Nigel/Desmond and Sheamus are different.
TNA accepts that there are other promotions out there and generally gives honor where it's due and sees success elsewhere as a reason to push. Especially when it comes to RoH because of all of the cross polination over the years.
The WWE, on the other hand, has for ages tried to pretend that other promotions don't exist, and therefore nothing anyone does outside of the WWE system (FCW -> ECW -> SD/RAW) matters once they're brought in. It didn't used to be so bad, of course, but still the lengths they'd sometimes go to ignore accomplishment elsewhere was fairly astounding (see the example of Harley Race)
Posted By: The Ogre (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 10:38 AM
Sheamus is such a great wrestler, so great that one time they plugged him into a computer to wrestle it, but he was so good that the computer caught on fire.
Posted By: Matt Dawson (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 11:36 AM
I think you just made an argument for Vance Archer to be the next World Title Contender.
Desmond debuted by attacking the biggest name in the company, therefore he was placed in a high spot on the card by default. Sheamus made his debut beating up jobbers, then beating up Goldust and Shelton Benjamin. From there he suddenly jumps to world title status? He needs some sort of bridge between that, and the Survivor Series match was a step in the right direction, but not enough to cement him as a credible main eventer.
Posted By: Blanky (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 12:18 PM
"When honing YOUR art of critique (even via mediums as small and inconsequential as internet message boards or column-ending feedback forms):
Spell things properly."
"That Asshole Who Slammed on His Breaks(sic) In Front of Me and Caused a Three-Car Pileup......."
Posted By: Guest#7314 (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 12:35 PM
As somebody who did not watch Wolf in ROH, I did enjoy his match with Angle, but after watching him on last night's Impact with Suicide, I think the match was due more to Angle's greatness than anything.
So I'm with Meehan on the Wolf-Sheamus comparison. You can't bitch and moan about one and orgasm about the other...unless your a mindless, fanboy, hypocrite.
Posted By: Ronny (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 01:17 PM
If Sheamus somehow pulls this shit out I will be his biggest fan. Don't think the WWE has the guts to do it though.
Posted By: The Great Smartass (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 01:29 PM
Wow BALman you must be a wwe mark the point the guy was making is wwe and tna have different fan base the wwe fan base is more of little kids and casual fans but tna fan base is more in to the indy wrestling the already know alot of the guys that come over hell most of the guys in the company are indy guys this is why joe was over with the crowd on his debut, ecw maybe on sci fi but not many wwe fans watch it they didn't know who sheamus was or they just didn't care in wrestling just because the guys on tv it doesn't make him more over with the crowd especially when most of them don't watch the show he came from and jackass this isn't high school its the internet why should anyone care about spelling and grammar as long as people can read and understand what everyone else is saying whats the problem
Posted By: Money Mike (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 03:26 PM
Am I the only person that is reminded of Snitsky when I see Sheamus?
Posted By: Guest#7096 (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 04:41 PM
Money Mike, it's about credibility. If you can't do simple things like form proper sentences, use capitalization when it is needed, and spell simple words right, then why would I assume that you have enough common sense to understand something which can be as complex as the booking of professional wrestling? I can't, and thus, your opinion means nothing.
Had you have formed your message in such a way that showed you at least had two brain cells to rub together, it may have established enough credibility for someone to take your argument seriously.
Posted By: Anonymous (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 04:51 PM
"He has great, skill and great, mic skills and great, ring presents."
Ah, ring presents. The perfect gift this Christmas season.
Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 05:10 PM
Besides, Sheamus is buddy-buddy with Triple H. That guarantees a title reign or two. See: Shawn Michaels, Brock Lesnar.
Posted By: The IWC (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 10:14 AM
___________________________
Please tell me you are just trolling. I don't know if you noticed, but while Shawn Michaels was winning his first world title, HHH was getting demolished by the Ultimate Warrior.
And to commenter Money Mike...do you see what that is at the end of my last sentence? It's called a period, buddy. Learn to use them.
Posted By: MasterShake (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 06:15 PM
Thanks for saying what I think most logical people are saying.
Besides, I actually see Sheamus winning. It would give Cena a reason to fight him again at RR, makes sense for Orton & Legacy to give him the assist, and it's a tables match.
Some people will argue Wolfe/Angle isn't for the title, but TNA isn't in a stale pattern for their belt right now. It's Styles/Daniels right now, which is a feud we haven't seen since early 2006. Actually the last solo feud between them was back in 2005. WWE's title scene has been stale. Orton/Cena, while a good feud, was to long. HHH/Orton was not my cup of tea. Batista/Orton was like HHH/Orton, good work just not something I enjoyed. Besides, since CM Punk/Hardy, who was the last real new guy to get a real steady World Title level push? Umaga, then RVD and that was in 2006 AFTER is 2002/03 chase. Cena/Batista before that, Eddie before that, etc.
I look forward to the match, more so then Christian/Benjamin.
Posted By: Johnny Rock (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 06:26 PM
first off tna's fan base knew who wolfe was from roh if not all then at least half did nobody really knows who sheamus is unless they watched ecw or fcw second and most important you tell me whats will get you notice faster being a bully beating the crap out of guys smaller then you or picking a fight with an established popular guy and kicking his ass before having a match if you don't see the difference i'll spell it out for you sheamus was put on a slow burn and in a way earned a shot which was the wrong move cuz he jump a head of the pack with no type of heat like with happen tn jbl year ago wolfe debuted at the top getting instead heat in jumping kurt and getting over on him week in and week out thats why people are craping on sheamus getting a title shot he isn't anything special you can put anyone in that spot swagga, miz, legacy hell kofi could have got the shot a then got screwed by orton sheamus wasn't made to look like a threat to cean like wolfe was wwe droped the ball and you blame it on the fans
Posted By: Guest#8264 (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 01:06 AM
Wow BALman you must be a wwe mark the point the guy was making is wwe and tna have different fan base the wwe fan base is more of little kids and casual fans but tna fan base is more in to the indy wrestling the already know alot of the guys that come over hell most of the guys in the company are indy guys this is why joe was over with the crowd on his debut, ecw maybe on sci fi but not many wwe fans watch it they didn't know who sheamus was or they just didn't care in wrestling just because the guys on tv it doesn't make him more over with the crowd especially when most of them don't watch the show he came from and jackass this isn't high school its the internet why should anyone care about spelling and grammar as long as people can read and understand what everyone else is saying whats the problem
Posted By: Money Mike (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 03:26 PM
If I had to guess, I would say this is the same ignorant person, different names! We have wonderul punctuation marks in the English language. Please allow me post the section of the column which you missed(or simply didn't comprehend)!
When honing YOUR art of critique (even via mediums as small and inconsequential as internet message boards or column-ending feedback forms):
Spell things properly.
Captitalize where appropriate. Use complete sentences. Master the fine art of punctuation. And learn how to make a coherent argument.
Failing that, your "critique" is no more valuable or worthwhile than even the sloppiest of in-ring or onscreen performances. In fact, it's actually all that much worse.
Warmest regards,
- Meehan
P.S. Reading Comprehension is Your Friend!!!
Posted By: Grammar Is Your Friend! (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 06:49 PM
^^^What Tom said.
Difference is Desmond isn't feuding with the champ. He's feuding with *main event talent*. That's fine. I refer you to Cena's debut. With no prior face time on 'E TV, he (also) fought Angle then went directly to the main event feuding against Jericho and fighting alongside the likes of the Undertaker by just the third week.
That just shows the guy can hang in the main event and should be a prerequisite to a title challenge. But running some guy with no rep and no cred against the *champ* is quite different. At best you have another Undertaker, at worst (and more commonly) a new Great Khali.
I appreciate pointing out some of Sheamus' accolades prior to WWE, but his stint in the company has been anything but memorable and done nothing to legitimize him as the credible threat to the belt imo. No mistake, the build will come in time for TLC, but the guy's biggest claim to fame thusfar is "ending" the career of a guy no one cared about. There's nothing much else that stands out about him besides his pale pallor.
Did you hear the crowd no-selling the entire thing? Ok, well, the crowd was pretty crap for much of the show. But getting no reaction to slamming WWE Champion John-freakin-Cena through a table? That should tell you all you need to know about the fact that all is not well with this angle currently.
Posted By: Lobe (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 07:49 PM
Relax people. John Cena is an excellent person. If the WWE didn't trust Cena to make Sheamus worth a million bucks, they wouldn't had pulled the trigger.
And MasterShake...I'm not a troll. Just ask Metzler, he believes the same thing.
Posted By: The IWC (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Congrats to you, Meehan - this is one of the most well written and enjoyable articles I think I have ever read on this site (and I enjoy and have been reading both 411mania and 411wrestling since 2001). Pretty much everything you wrote was spot on (even the "fattest non-fatty" in the WWE Universe line regarding Molly and Mickie was both funny and quite true), and I missed the Foley appearance on The Daily Show, so that was cool too. I hadn't paid much attention to the whole "positive spin" angle to this column, but it's definitely needed on this site and others.
Keep it up, John - good stuff.
Posted By: Live from the 305 (Guest) on November 28, 2009 at 01:19 AM
I wonder if people who use zero punctuation know that, most likely, a majority of people don't even read their posts. It's quite possible that their arguments are very good, except, who cares because I'm never gonna read them.
Posted By: Troll (Guest) on November 28, 2009 at 05:59 AM
I think I dig Sheamus' push. I don't really think hey are expecting us to feel like he is a credible threat but I think the feud isn't so much to put a belt on him as make him someone that as he grows we accept as a guy with potential vs. a guy on ECW who wins squash matches
Posted By: the get some kid (Guest) on November 28, 2009 at 11:40 AM
I think that people would have felt better about Sheamus getting the shot if he had more time to receive a push.
Posted By: Guest#8413 (Guest) on November 28, 2009 at 01:50 PM
meehan, you forget one thing:
wwe raw's audience is used to watch the same matches again and again, it's natural to be scared of sth. new.
i dont know if sheamus is a main eventer, but there is only one way to find out! ;) i'm all for trying new guys
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it's important how they follow up after his feud/match.
however wolfe is not feuding for the world title, and i think this gives TNA a better chance of building him...sheamus would also benefit from feuding with cena without the title and actually beating him (as i doubt that cena will loose the title, wwe has booked themselfes in a corner somehow)
Posted By: tmw (Guest) on November 28, 2009 at 02:02 PM
Good to hear you're okay despite your accident.
Good column this week. As usual, I implore you to dump the fake tweets.
Re: the Sheamus/Wolfe debate. I think you're glossing over the years of partnership that TNA & ROH have had together. TNA's NATIONAL exposure helped ROH become the most famous LOCAL promotion on the internet (ROH fans tend not to admit this).
Posted By: Tomahawk Kid (Guest) on November 28, 2009 at 06:19 PM
spell things properly.....
"breaks" is spelled "BRAKES"
sincerely, exit 109a Elkton retrieval unit.
Posted By: The Rock (Guest) on December 05, 2009 at 12:09 AM
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