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The 411 Wrestling Top 5 12.02.09: Week 51 - Women Wrestlers
Posted by Michael Bauer on 12.02.2009



Hello everyone and welcome to 411 Wrestling's Top 5 List. What we are going to is take a topic each week and all the writers here on 411 wrestling will have the ability to give us their Top 5 on said topic, plus up to three honorable mentions.

So, on to this week's topic…

THE TOP 5 WOMEN WRESTLERS


Because let's face it, wrestling isn't just for the boys anymore.

So what did our group of writers select? Let's find out…



Ryan Byers

HONORABLE MENTIONS

Fabulous Moolah - I'm not a huge fan of Moolah as a performer. She was pretty bland and only held on to her spot as the top woman wrestler in the world through political machinations that would make Hulk Hogan and Triple H roll their eyes. However, she was on top for so long and trained so many women that, regardless of my personal feelings, any list of top female wrestlers would be incomplete without her.

Trish Stratus - Trish Stratus wasn't a great in-ring performer in the classic sense of the word. She was GREAT at putting together three to eight minute TV matches that relied mainly on certain big highspots, but she was never put in a position to do anything more than that. Stratus deserves some credit for becoming the most popular North American female wrestler of the past five years, but that's about it.

June Byers - How could I NOT give a little love to this former NWA Women's Champion? Nepotism never felt so good.

5.Megumi Kudoh - Kudoh may not have been the best pure "wrestler" in the world, and she definitely didn't wrestle for the biggest of promotions. However, FMW's Megumi Kudoh has always held a special place in my heart because she was so remarkably different form every female wrestler who came before her and every female wrestler who has come since. Kudoh was the undisputed Queen of the Deathmatches, a woman who looked like a beauty queen but wrestled like Mick Foley, regularly competing in hardcore bouts involving barbed wire, land mines, and broken glass. She was as good as if not better at putting on those types of bouts than most of the male deathmatch wrestlers of her era, which makes her immeasurably better than a lot of the wrestlers putting on those matches today. She also gets bonus points for popularizing the Kudome Valentine, one of the most brutal finishers in all of wrestling, which would go on to be known as Gregory Helms' Vertebreaker and Homicide's Cop Killa.

4.Penny Banner - I alluded to the Fabulous Moolah being an expert politician earlier in my list, and there is perhaps no better example of the success of her politicking than the fact that, though almost every wrestling fan of my age knows who Moolah is, few to none of them know the first thing about Penny Banner. Banner, who made her debut in professional wrestling just five years after Moolah did, quickly became the best female in-ring performer of her era. Her feud with the aforementioned June Byers was the stuff of legend, leading to Banner holding many prominent women's titles on both national and regional levels. Unfortunately, when Moolah took over women's wrestling in the United States, Banner was not part of and did not want to become part of her troupe, so she was forced into relative obscurity for quite some time despite being more talented than Moolah and the majority of her hangers on. Penny's excellent autobiography, Banner Days, has brought some attention back to the under-appreciated Banner in recent years, and I highly recommend that anybody who is interested in women's wrestling check it out.

3.Aja Kong - "God made the devil just for fun . . . but when he wanted the real thing he made AJA KOOOOOOONG!" That's an actual lyric from one of the theme songs that Aja Kong used in the mid-1990's, and, if you've ever watched her wrestle in a big match situation, it's hard to believe that it's not true. The daughter of a Japanese native and an African American serviceman stationed in the country, Kong reportedly had difficulty finding a place where she could truly fit in within Japanese society until she stumbled across professional wrestling. After training with All Japan Women, she debuted as a wrestler in 1986, and it became clear almost immediately that she was going to be one of the most physical, rough and tumble fighters that joshi had ever seen. Her style made her into a top star in relatively short order, as she won AJW's vaunted WWWA World Heavyweight Title on two separate occassions and feuded with every top woman from the glory days of joshi puroresu, including Bull Nakano, Manami Toyota, and many more. The scary thing is that Kong is still fairly active in wrestling today, and, even though she is not quite as good as she was in her prime, she is still capable of pulling out the periodic awesome performance, and, regardless of whether her matches are technical masterpieces, she is still just as physical and intimidating as ever.

2.Lioness Asuka - Lioness Asuka is noteworthy in my mind not because she had one act that made her hugely popular which held on to throughout her entire career. Instead, Asuka is noteworthy in my book because she was able to reinvent herself over the years with each new persona being as effective as the last. When Asuka made her professional wrestling debut in the early 1980's, she was one half of the Crush Gals tag team with Chigusa Nagayo. The Crush Gals were an INSANELY popular duo, essentially bring joshi into the mainstream in Japan, as their schtick became incredibly popular with teenage girls, making AJW's regular television broadcasts very highly rated programs on Fuji TV and even leading into a recording career for Asuka and Nagayo that produced numerous singles that hit the top ten of the Japanese charts. As I said, though, Asuka isn't just noteworth because she was one of the biggest stars in joshi as part of a teeny-bopper act that appealed to young girls. After initially retiring in the late 1980's, she returned to the ring in the mid 1990's, and, this time around, she managed to transform herself from a teen idol into one of the most menacing, sadistic heels that joshi had ever seen. In addition to having another run in AJW after her career revival, she was also instrumental in the success of its offshoot promotions GAEA Japan and ARSION, which carried the mantle for joshi in the early part of this decade when AJW was on its downswing.

1.Manami Toyota - When author John Molinaro wrote the book The Top 100 Pro Wrestlers of All Time in 2002, Manami Toyota was the only woman to come anywhere near making the list, making its "Honorable Mentions" section. That's not to say that Molinaro's opinion is the end all and be all of professional wrestling, but the fact that Toyota was able to come near anybody's list including greats like Hulk Hogan, El Santo, Ric Flair, Lou Thesz, Rikidozan, Antonio Inoki, and Giant Baba is a testament to her ability and notoriety in the world of professional wrestling. Her resume clearly backs up her ranking, as she is a four time WWWA World Heavyweight Champion, has competed in an impressive NINE matches given the full five stars by the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, has wrestled in two different Observer matches of the year, and was named the WON's Most Outstanding Wrestler for 1995. Toyota is a once in a lifetime performer, and she has had a career that 90% of male wrestlers would envy, let alone female wrestlers. If you've never seen one of her matches from the prime of your career, you have done yourself a disservice as a wrestling fan.



Jake Chambers

HONORABLE MENTIONS

Trish Stratus – Sure, her matches were some of the best in all the WWE in 2002-4, but sadly that's not saying much.

Lita – She captured audience attention like few women in the WWE ever had when she started leaping around, and showing a thong above her belt line.

Sara Del Ray – In the past few years, Del Ray has made women's US independent wrestling credible, and her presence in the underground mocks the very existence of the gutless mainstream women's wrestling today.

5. Megumi Kudo - During the tape-trading heyday of the early to mid-nineties, if you were a horror movie fan, some of the best promotions to get your hands on were Japan's FMW and WING, because the grainy footage and ultra-violence on the screen was a scarily realistic and enjoyable alternative to the weak horror movie genre at the time (not to mention they also used Jason, Freddy and Leatherface as wrestlers). In sharp contrast to the grotesque appearances of guys like Onita, Mr. Pogo or Hayabusa, was the gorgeous Kudo, who brought the drama and technicality of the All Japan wrestling scene into the extreme death matches like few of her male peers were capable.

4. Kyoko Inoue - This face-painted, tassels-wearing, tiny dynamo, was one of my personal favorites during the 90s Japanese wrestling craze. Honestly, there are about five All Japan women wrestlers that could fill this list interchangeable below my top three, but I always preferred watching the unique Inoue over the beasts, beauties and kickers that filled out one of the best-booked promotions in history. While she might have been considered a female Ultimate Warrior look-alike because of the nature of her face paint, you would never confuse their ring work, as Inoue employed a blend of Ricky Steamboat, a young Rey Mysterio, and maybe Arn Anderson, as she was just as prolific in tag teams as she was in epic singles matches.

3. Fabulous Moolah - While I couldn't put any of the Moolah matches I've ever watched on a respectable list of greatest wrestling matches of all time, like those from AJPW, in my opinion there is no female wrestler in history who's name is more synonymous with the craft than Moolah. Most of her entire wrestling prime took place before I was even born, from the moment I was conscious to the world of wrestling (around the time of the first Wrestlemania) it was drilled into my brain that Moolah was the greatest. While she looked like my grandmother, she carried herself like a young Roddy Piper. To me, Moolah's presence was always best compared to Piper, neither had many classic matches but their intense personalities and iconic pro-wrestling auras during the 80s always led me to consider them two of the all-time greats regardless of their body of work in the ring.

2. Manami Toyota- Toyota, unlike Moolah, has that incredible body of work that proves she is the greatest female in-ring technician of all time. Along with those FMW tapes that we used to cherish in the mid-nineties, there was nothing more awe-inspring than the All Japan Women's Pro-Wrestling matches that used to blow our minds back then. Toyota was Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, and Ric Flair combined in all those matches, setting a consistent tradition of excellent ring work that still holds up as innovative and breath-taking when you watch them today. There should be no doubt that Toyota is the best female worker in history, but is she the top woman wrestler ever? I don't think so…

1. Chyna - Anyone who would not consider Chyna the greatest woman wrestler of all time is delusional, in my opinion. Wrestling is a worked sport, and while Chyna may not have been the best technical female of all time, compared to the AJPW stars, no other woman in history had her success in the art of professional wrestling.

She transcended the entire genre of women's wrestling and solely competed against men at the mid or main event level during the hottest period in WWF history. That would be like Serena Williams winning a men's Grand Slam against Pete Sampras, Michelle Wie winning the US Men's Open over Tiger Woods, Gina Carano knocking out Lyoto Machida, hell, I would say that it's even like if a chimp were to win Best Actor at the Academy Awards, or a fern winning the Westminster Dog Show!

In my opinion, Chyna did a pretty fantastic job in the ring as well. I've seen hundreds of professional, top level male wrestlers who couldn't put on as entertaining of matches as Chyna had during her run against men like Jericho, Mankind, Holly, and the feuds with dX and the Radicalz. Also, her popularity was unmatched for a woman in the biggest pro-wrestling company in the world, possibly only next to Elizabeth as a main event caliber presence in her time.

Saying that Chyna is NOT the Top Woman wrestler of all time would be like claiming that Hulk Hogan is not the Top Male wrestler ever, or that Michael Jordan is not the best basketball player ever, that the automobile was not the greatest invention in history or that there is a better color than black. Chyna may be thought of as a bit of a joke today because of her personal life, but she should never be forgotten for her legendary accomplishments in pro-wrestling, the likes of which we will most likely never see again.



Julian Bond

DISCLAIMER: I really don't know crap about women's wrestling as a global whole (i.e. not too familar with women from Japan, Mexico, etc). The only thing I really know is with my experience from watching throughout the late 90s up until mainly from WWE, TNA, and some independent wrestling DVDs like ROH. So no real international names from me...mostly U.S. girls.

HONORABLE MENTIONS

Manami Toyota - I'm honestly not that familar with Toyota's work per my explanation above, but I've heard plenty of her from friends and people on here. After watching a good amount of her sick-looking matches online, I definitely had to mention her here. Would put her higher only if I know more about her work in the past not just through YouTube.

Sara Del Ray - Seen a good few on her matches off of my ROH DVD collection and she is one of the few holding it down very well for women on the current independent scene for the last few years.

Jazz/Molly Holly/Victoria/Gail Kim - TIE - I really wish I could list all 4 of these awesome chics on my Top 5. I think that without the work of these four in WWE/TNA that some of the major more popular women wrestlers (Stratus, Kong, Lita) maybe wouldn't have been as great as they turned out to be. Sadly the reason I didn't get them past honorable mentions is the fact that they never became as super-popular or were household names as the others were.

5.Awesome Kong - "Kong kills bitches dead!!". This is the exact term I have hilariously seen over and over written by my fellow writers in their TNA PPV predictions on this site. While that make sound funny as hell when read, the truth is that if wrestling was actually real, Awesome Kong would probably be the one to actually seriously cripple her opponents. I've seen some pretty big women wrestlers before, but never that have actually made a beatdown on an opponent look ever so easy. On top of this, she has put on some of the best women's wrestling matches I have personally ever seen in her series against Gail Kim. While Kim is one hell of a wrestler also, Kong really was the key in making it work with her vicious no remorse-style beatings that she put down. Definitely one of the best cause she has made it seen on US grounds that women can sometimes be just as brutal and as vicious as male wrestlers can in the ring.



4.Lita - Straight off the bat, some readers may said that Lita shouldn't be near the top 5 since her resume doesn't particuarly contain a whole host of 5 star matches. BUT Lita next to Chyna and Trish Stratus was one of the few in the golden age of the WWE Attitude era to get people standing up and cheering for a women's wrestling match. While Stratus and Chyna could be said to have helped women's wrestling become more known and popular to the mainstream, Lita may have been the one to have gotten more "everyday" watchers to become true fans. I say this because Trish seemed more like a "supermodel turned wrestler" and Chyna a "natural Amazon in the ring", while Lita (per my observations and girls I knew who tuned in) was just a "regular down-to-earth girl" who liked to simply kick ass and take names and related a lot more to young girls at the time (i.e. no need for heavy make-up nor just bra/panties). Plus Lita's high flying moves like her hurricaranas and moonsaults easily made for some pretty good highlight reels.

3.Chyna - I liked that at least one other person here on this week's Top 5 listed Chyna cause no matter how screwed up her outside life has been (i.e. drugs, booze, overall craziness) wrestling fans simply cannot deny how much of an impact she has had for women wrestlers being seen in the mainstream as legit bad-asses. Sure there have been tons and tons of much better women wrestlers before AND after Chyna, but she was one of the first major ones to truly "cross the line" (excuse my corny TNA punt) in the ring by well holding her own against some very good male wrestlers including good series of matches against Chris Jericho, Jeff Jarrett, and a few others. Hell...she was and still is the only women wrestler to really get a super bad-ass looking entrance (you know...the one where she came out with a super-huge bazooka that shot out fireworks as she held it!!) that's in comparison to many of the other great ones from the dudes and the pyro. Honestly the only things holding her back in my book from being number #1 is the fact that besides her matches against the guys, her other women's matches weren't all that memorable (which technically should get me shit for including her here, but I look at her overall accomplishments as a female wrestler and not just in "women's divisions") and the fact that she sadly didn't go out on top in a good classy way (i.e. Trish Stratus) and instead have people remembering her "One Night In Chyna" DVD rather than the memories of her in-ring work.

2.Fabolous Moolah - Without Moolah kicking so much butt and constantly taking names as one of the first true groundbreaking women wrestlers, the whole art of "women's wrestling" as a whole may have never gotten over with mainstream crowds. It doesn't matter (in my book at least) that she wasn't a technical ring master nor have the best women's matches ever, but without her accomplishments and known noteriety in the ring as a killer heel, it could be argued that women's wrestling today may have not existed the way it is now or possibly wouldn't exist today at all.

1.Trish Stratus - Is Trish Stratus the best women's wrestler based off of her in-ring work? No. Are Trish Stratus' matches the best amongst all women wrestlers? Probably not. But if one was to take a snapshot of Trish's overall WWE career to show an example of how women's wrestling should be done on a good legit basic level (i.e. to the mainstream and not just us crazy fans), with just enough atheletism (diversity of moves, constantly good match pacing) and entertainment (the natural "T&A", cool looking spots) shown in the ring without sacrificing either one, it would be the perfect shot to take. Trish is to me akin to someone like the Rock or Stone Cold Steve Austin. To many hardcore fans, Rock and Austin may not be able to hold a candle in the ring to more technical and "Match of The Year regular" bad-asses like Bryan Danielson and Nigel McGuinness. But it can be argued that Rock/Austin were able to successfully entertain the masses (which means people like my grandma and dad who do not watch wrestling and not just hardcore fans like ourselves) much more than Danielson and McGuinness could do, while also putting on a great overall match. In comparison, Trish is the same when compared to known "better" women wrestlers like Awesome Kong and Sara Del Ray. Not all of her matches were the best, but Trish always knew how to play to the crowds and you can tell that she was seriously always trying to put on a great show to whomever was watching. She first came in as a true novice in the ring with her work, worked her way up to winning the WWE Women's Title a whopping 7 times, which is the most in WWE history (!!!), and gained INSANE amounts of popularity from the fans not just for her crazy hot looks but also for her in-ring work, and she succcessfully went out in an excellent way by winning the title one last time in her hometown of Toronto as she retired gracifully in the ring. What other women wrestler can said that about their own career?





Aaron Hubbard

HONORABLE MENTIONS

Chyna - The most successful women's wrestler of all time in WWE, with only Trish Stratus as serious competition.

Awesome Kong - A breath of fresh air on American Television, the monster heel is a brilliant addition to the TNA Knockouts and SHIMMER women's athletes.

Lacey - I can't not give love to this girl; she's hot, her spoiled brat heel character is top of the line and played to perfection, and she is a crisp worker as well.

5.Kyoko Inoue - One of the most energetic wrestlers, male or female, you will see anywhere. With colorful costumes, tassels, and facepaint, the first idea that pops into your head is that this is a female Ultimate Warrior. This couldn't be farther from the truth. Kyoko can wrestle, as she proved in a ONE HOUR DRAW with Manami Toyota that was voted Dave Meltzer's match of the year for 1995. And she can work fast and hit hard, as she proved in a tag team match with Takako Inoue (no relation) against Cutie Suzuki and Megumi Ozaki, a ****+ match by any unbiased reviewer's opinion. Kyoko also knew when to take wrestling less seriously, delivering extremely long big swings or shaking her rear end before putting her opponents in a surfboard. This girl is amazing.

4.Akira Hokuto - There is something highly appealing about a girl that can kick your ass. Hokuto definitely fits that description. Akira was never the prettiest wrestler, either in physical appearance or her in-ring work. But she has proven her dedication to her art time and time again. Dubbed "The Dangerous Queen" by fans, Hokuto works hard and hits hard. And she takes as good as she gives. This woman has literally bled buckets for the sake of entertaining fans and proving her worth as a wrestler. Her match with Shinobu Kandori is one of the most dramatic, emotional, and violent matches, not just in women's wrestling history, but wrestling history. But don't think she can't wrestle; her incredible series with Manami Toyota proved that she brings the goods in the ring as well.

3.Trish Stratus - The only non-Japanese woman on this list, and you could make an argument that she doesn't deserve to be here, considering I've left out talent like Megumi Kudo, Megumi Ozaki, Lioness Asuka, Bull Nakano and so many others. But Trish is in many ways, a perfect women's wrestler. First of all, she's a blonde bombshell and career fitness model. While I prefer Stacy Keibler and Maria, Trish Stratus is undeniably one of the hottest women of all time. She also mastered playing the roles of babyface and heel, as she was great at both. She managed teams, she's been involved in soap opera storylines that were entertaining. And she wrestled. While no one will confuse her as the greatest female in-ring worker, she created a style that appealed to wrestling purists and sports entertainment fans as well. She worked very hard to grow as a wrestler and was probably the most improved wrestler of the decade. Through her work, she earned the love, respect and admiration of her peers and her millions of male and female fans. For my money, she is the greatest American Female Wrestler of all time, and whoever is second is a distant second.

2.Aja Kong - Take Vader. Add Samoa Joe. Mix in a little Abdullah the Butcher for good measure. Sounds like a template for a great monster heel, right? Well, SHE exists. Aja Kong is an awesome, amazing wrestler. She can stretch you out, she can knock you out, or throw you around. It's her prerogative. If Kong was a male, she would be amazing. But honestly, she benefits from wrestling females, because most female wrestlers in Japan are half of her size. Watching her kick, punch, crush, stretch, slam and piledrive helpless young women is a brutal experience. Depending on my mood, it makes me cheer for the smaller girls to overcome the odds, or I take sick pleasure in watching the woman-beast destroy the poor ladies. Either way, it's a Hell of a good time. And while Awesome Kong may have her namesake, she isn't a patch on the original. KONG IS QUEEN!

1.Manami Toyota - Joshi puro, or Japanese women's wrestling, is one of my favorite things in the wrestling world. Like almost all Japanese wrestlers, Japanese women are trained to be hard workers that only put out the highest quality of wrestling. But they also bring something new to the table. Women by nature are more emotional and dramatic than men, and that emotion and drama carries over into the ring. And in wrestling, there is nothing more important than creating an authentic emotional investment in your fans. When you watch these girls wrestle, you are in awe of their ability to work at a level that crushes most male wrestlers, Japanese or otherwise. But as you watch longer, you feel the anger, the pain, the sadness and the joy of your favorites. These girls can be sweet and sexy, harsh and bitchy, tough and violent, or brave and inspiring depending on their mood and the story that needs to be told. It is some of the greatest wrestling in the world. And the Queen of Joshi is Manami Toyota.

I could let Manami Toyota's record speak for itself. Dave Meltzer has rated EIGHT Manami Toyota matches five stars. Two of those matches were rated as Match of the Year in 1993 and 1995. In 1995 she was voted as Most Outstanding Wrestler, an award that has been given to such greats as Ric Flair, Mitsuharu Misawa, Kenta Kobashi, Kurt Angle, Jushin Liger, Chris Benoit, Samoa Joe, and Bryan Danielson. This gives you an idea of the class of worker she was in her prime. You want the kicker? She was TWENTY-FIVE when she won that award. In 2002, at age 32, she was inducted into The Wrestling Observer's Hall of Fame. That's what "The Meltz" has to say about Toyota. She deserves every bit of it.

Now, here's what I have to say about Toyota. I am twenty years old. I've been watching wrestling as long as I can remember. These days, more often than not, I am a critic first and a fan second. On one hand are a select few wrestlers who make me a fan first and a critic second. Flair. Guerrero. Misawa. Danielson. The last one is Manami Toyota. When Toyota screams in agony, I wince. When she screams in anger, I glare. When she defiantly refuses to give up, I smile. When she runs and jumps to the top rope and hits a moonsault without missing a beat, my jaw drops. When she delivers a variation of a suplex I've never seen before, I shake my head in wonder. When she drops an opponent on their head with the Victory Star Drop, I lose all pretext of being a smark. When she wins, I clap. When she loses, I still clap. That's Manami Toyota, one of the greatest wrestlers, male or female, to grace a wrestling ring.







Mathew Sforcina

HONORABLE MENTIONS

Trish Stratus, Manami Toyota, Cheerleader Melissa, Ivory, Tori, The Jumping Bomb Angels, Amazing Kong, Daffney, Chyna, MsChif, Sara Del Ray, Daizee Haze & The Fabulous Moolah - All great, but they just can't crack the top 5, alas.

5.The Head Ho - While this woman failed, overall, in her 'Save The Hos' campaign, one memorable spot gets her here. One episode of Raw, she tried valiantly, once again, to get the Goodfather to return to his proper ways of being a man who has a gaggle of women whose virtue is negotiable. When he refused, he did so in a very mean way, tossing this woman through a table. This one spot gets her this position, because even for 2001 WWF, that was a hell of a spot.

4.Head Bitch In Charge - See, I can be Snobby Indy Darling too. This woman paved the way for Cheerleader Melissa, playing the bitchy cheerleader long before Melissa thought about it. So there! Well, actually, she was a year or two behind Melissa, but she's still better in my book.

3.Queen Victoria - Another Indy Darling of mine, this beautiful Princess of a woman terrorized OVW, leading, of all people, The Basham Brothers to success, her managerial skills and clearly only them getting Doug to the OVW Heavyweight Championship. Clearly not a woman to mess with.

2.Tara - My current favourite wrestler, TNA's Spider Woman, she's one hell of a competitor. A criminally short run as Knockouts Champion will, I'm sure, be rectified soon. Just a superb athlete, and damm hot to boot. But not actually holding the title she deserves right now is what costs her the top spot...

1.Victoria - My All Time favourite wrestler, Victoria has it all. The looks, the skill, the toughness, the moves. Some of my all time favourite moments and matches are thanks to her (and only her!), and she's just the single best woman in the history of everything. And if you don't agree, you're either gay or a communist. Or a gay communist. Not that there's anything wrong with any of them.


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Why didn't Jenna from TNA win this thing? Her match with Sharmell was sooooo great a few months ago.

Posted By: WATRYY (Guest)  on December 01, 2009 at 10:59 PM

 
 
Hard not to give it to Trish. In terms of looks, wrestling ability, even as a valet, it is her easily.

Favorite women's match of all-time is still Trish-Mickie from WM 22, with a close second being Trish-Lita in 04'.


Posted By: Jimmy Johns (Guest)  on December 01, 2009 at 11:00 PM

 
 
no love for the luchadoras?

Posted By: Guest#4772 (Guest)  on December 01, 2009 at 11:02 PM

 
 
My Top 5 (keep in mind I don't watch female indy matches and my Japanese exposure is very limited.)

5. Awesome Kong
4. Trish Stratus
3. Victoria
2. Mickie James-I know, I know, let the flames begin
1. Jumping Bomb Angels


Posted By: Guest#7175 (Guest)  on December 01, 2009 at 11:03 PM

 
 
Thank God only one of you put Trish at #1. She is the most overrated performers in history, male or female. Every move was an unbelievably silly spot. Credit all of her opponents, especially Victoria, in making her look decent. Trish is terrible.

Posted By: Guest#0265 (Guest)  on December 01, 2009 at 11:11 PM

 
 
Trish is the greatest for 2 reasons: She's canadian and is the most successful diva in the most successful fed.

Posted By: The Dutch (Guest)  on December 01, 2009 at 11:12 PM

 
 
Vintage Sforcina

Posted By: Michael Cole (Guest)  on December 01, 2009 at 11:12 PM

 
 
Matthew's list is the best. I must admit that I am dismayed that there was no love for Molly Holly.

Posted By: Guest#3549 (Guest)  on December 01, 2009 at 11:13 PM

 
 
manami toyota vs aja kong has got to be one of the top 3 greatest wrestling matches of all time

Posted By: mr. panda (Guest)  on December 01, 2009 at 11:21 PM

 
 
1) Trish Stratus
2) The Fabulous Moolah
3) Mildred Burke
4) Awesome Kong
5) Victoria/Tera


Posted By: Guest#7070 (Guest)  on December 01, 2009 at 11:22 PM

 
 
No Mariko Yoshida on this list makes it invalid.

she is MILESSSSS ahead of Manami Toyota in EVERY sense of the word!!!!


Posted By: CL1 (Guest)  on December 01, 2009 at 11:23 PM

 
 
In defense of the WWE Divas. Were they the best workers? No, but...

Chyna, at one time was one of the biggest names in wrestling, probably behind only Rock, Austin, HHH and Goldberg. And this was during one of the hottest periods in wrestling history. And the stuff she did with Eddie was priceless.

Trish actually made women's wrestling mean something. Victoria and Jazz (and many many others) may have been better workers, but people actually got excited about Trish (and not just because of her non-wrestling "talents").

Lita was insanely popular, and when the whole Matt/Edge thing happened, she was one of the most hated heels in the business, and a main reason why Edge is one of the most watched champions in WWE history.

While Sable couldn't work or talk, she was hugely over. Sure it was only because of her tits, but hey, over's over.

That said, none of them would make my top 5 either. Even if we limited it to American wrestling.

BTW, Fabulous Moolah may be the most overrated wrestler of all time. She sucked in the ring and never drew a dime. Yeah I said it.


Posted By: black hole of charisma (Guest)  on December 01, 2009 at 11:46 PM

 
 
No love for madusa??

Posted By: Joe (Guest)  on December 01, 2009 at 11:49 PM

 
 
We talking about skills or success? That's what I don't get about this list. If your going by skill, than no WWE woman makes the cut. But if you measure "greatness" in terms of success, which you should, than it's Trish Stratus, easily. She was the figurehead of the only legitimate women's division in WWE history. While Sable, Chyna, and Lita might have made WWE more money in their peak year, it's probaly a safe bet that Trish has drawn the most money out of any female performer in history. She's probaly the most marketable woman they have ever had, and I would say the most beautiful as well, although that's a matter of personal opinion.

Trish is the only "main event" level diva they have had since maybe the days of Wendy Richter, that's how big she is. Just look at all the success she is having now away from WWE, that's all the proof you need as far as her star power goes. One of you guys mentioned her as the Rock or Austin for the women, and I agree. She was the megastar of the division, and nobody really cared about the women when she was out of the title hunt.

That's why I say this "overrated" stuff is bullshit. Nobody is calling her the best worker ever. They are pointing out that she was the one that made everything work. All the memorable diva feuds had one thing in common: Trish. Go back and watch matches like Molly vs Victoria. But don't adjust your volume, because the TV isn't on mute. That's just total crowd apathy you are hearing. No Trish, no fan interest. Her two tag team matches from 2008 and 2009 were the only two matches involving women in ages that I can recall having any sort of crowd heat. Like it or not, Trish has the looks, the charisma, and the total IT factor that no other diva had, outside of Lita(for awhile anyway).


Posted By: Guest#5305 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 12:01 AM

 
 
Honestly the snobby approach by some of you ruined the column... seriously Trish was a fantastic worker she made people CARE about her matches. Like you guys say 'technically' there are better wrestlers but frankly most will bore the tears out of me and the vast majority of fans.

Remember Trish v Lita that headlined Raw? It was off the charts the crowd were red hot and told a fantastic story. Trish v Victoria, Trish v Mickie and many others.

Technical wrestling is meaningless to me (and most people) if it has no emotion or a compelling story behind it.

Sometimes I really hate the f**king Smark ideology of what is 'good' and what is 'bad'.

My top 5:

1) Trish
2) Chyna
3) Lita - people forget how over she was in 2000!
4) Victoria
5) Awesome Kong


Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 12:07 AM

 
 
1. Trish
2. Trish
3. Trish
4. Trish
5. Trish
6. Beulah McGuillicutty


Posted By: puffykilled2pac (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 12:09 AM

 
 
this is for......Mathew Sforcina......why do you have victoria and tara as #1 and #2 on your list. they are the same damn person.

Posted By: drew101 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 12:10 AM

 
 
WOW!

Mathew Sforcina, Tara and Victoria are actually the same person. I can't believe you didn't know that. Just looking at them you can tell! At first I thought it was some stupid joke that you put them both on there, but no, you really are that dumb. How anyone could Think they're different people is beyond me. And the rest of your list is pretty stupid aswell. The Head Ho? are you serious? She had like one storyline and then disappeared. I don't even know what happened to her, she probably just faded into obscurity eventually. What a dumb thing to put on there. I am stunned at your ignorance.


Posted By: Miz fan (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 12:26 AM

 
 
drew101, Sforcina's top 5 are all the same person. He's living the gimmick of loving Miss Varon.

Posted By: Hey dumbass (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 12:28 AM

 
 
John Cena should be on the list!!!!!!!!

Posted By: Guest#5424 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 12:34 AM

 
 
Trish was and will always be the best woman wrestler EVER! Her and Lita are the only Divas who can main event Raw AGAIN and I would run to the tv to watch. I don't know if people realize how big of a deal that was when it happened.

Posted By: That guy (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 12:35 AM

 
 
only one honorable mention of Gail Kim?

these lists always generate a difference of opinions and normally I don't comment on them but it kinda surprises me she didn't hit the top 5 of anyone's list


Posted By: SmokaJoka (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 12:36 AM

 
 
1.Trish Stratus
2.Chyna
3.Lita
4.Mickie James
5.Victoria

Mickie James could be 2nd on this list in 5 years.


Posted By: aaron (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 12:48 AM

 
 
this is for......Mathew Sforcina......why do you have victoria and tara as #1 and #2 on your list. they are the same damn person.

Posted By: drew101 (Guest) on December 02, 2009 at 12:10 AM

Hello....McFly...they are all Victoria...

nimrod


Posted By: Ser Drake (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 12:50 AM

 
 
I like Sforcina's list.

Posted By: The Other Ryan (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 12:57 AM

 
 
this is for......Mathew Sforcina......why do you have victoria and tara as #1 and #2 on your list. they are the same damn person.

Posted By: drew101 (Guest) on December 02, 2009 at 12:10 A


LMAO.. so is Queen Victoria genious..LOL that was his point...he's a HUGE Lisa Marie Varon mark... and rightfully so.. she may not have gotten quite the following as a face, but between the heat she got with her feud with Trish and all that amazing technical ability...Sforcina is bang on when he says she is the #1 female wrestler of ALL TIME!!!!


Posted By: Nicole (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 01:10 AM

 
 
I'm only talking about the last 12-15 years, and I don't watch much puro. So my list is all North American performers...

5 - MsChif/Victoria(Tara) TIE - I really wanted both of them on my list, but didn't have the free slot, they can share one. You'd be hard pressed to find a female in North America who has been so good and consistent for such a long period of time like Victoria/Tara. And being a big Shimmer Fan I find MsChif's matches are usually some of my most looked forward to and enjoyed.

4- Awesome Kong. Kong kills bitches dead...that is all one need say.

3- Cheerleader Melissa/Alissa Flash. Melissa Anderson is the total package in women's wrestling right now. Loaded with talent, attitude, sex appeal and that often missing "IT" Factor.

2- Sara Del Ray. Death Ray is the most gifted inring female talent in North America. She reminds me of a Dean Malenko or Lance Storm. Exceptionally talented between the ropes, but suffers from having a fairly bland personality.

Trish Stratus - Victoria had a longer track record, Kong has more of a "special attraction" vibe to her. Melissa is more of a "Total Package", and Death Ray is clearly better inring.

But there is/was only one Trish Stratus. Get a girl who not only looks like a model, but actually was a model, make sure she has the ability to have an entire crowd eating out of the palm of her hand. Give her a natural understanding of psychology and how to tell a story and construct a proper flow, then give her better than most inring skills...there you have Trish Stratus. No women has ever been bigger, and no women may ever again reach the levels that she did. She made it "cool" to enjoy a women's match for more than just the tits and ass. Trish...you rock, and your #1.


Posted By: Pat (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 01:14 AM

 
 
As much as I love Trish I'm glad she wasn't giving 1's each time. It was nice to see the divas that actual deserve top honors here rather than Melina, Mickie etc whom are good but no where near great.

Especially Maryse who seems to be the newest overrated diva on looks and talent.


Posted By: Guest#5756 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 01:18 AM

 
 
What no Luna Vachon? She was an excellent female wrestler in an era when few of her contemporaries could wrestle their way our of a damp paper bag.

Posted By: Guest#6240 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 01:27 AM

 
 
a majority of you seem to miss the point. If you watched anything other than WWE you'd understand why many of these women are listed as great.

Oh and another thing...THESE ARE THEIR OPINIONS OF COURSE THEY'LL THINK DIFFERENTLY. Voicing your opinion is great and the point of the comments section but to insult another personal opinion is incredibly stupid. some of you overrate Trish to a very disturbing level. sh was and is greatness but you act like she was a "made" women's wrestling when she simply made it look better.

Your opinions would also differ greatly if you keep up with companies other than WWE. There are women out there that do things in the ring that make some of the male wrestlers look like shit in the ring.


Posted By: Guest#7876 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 01:27 AM

 
 
Trish can be as overrated as Mickie James sometimes. Trish wasn't really the one that made women's wrestling mean something - at least she wasn't alone in that. If she wasn't feuding with Lita things would have been VERY different. She was fun to watch and probably the most engaging diva but the best ever - no.

Posted By: Guest#2272 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 01:28 AM

 
 
She may not (or may whatever floats your boat) give you wet dreams but if there was no Fabolous Moolah there would be no Trish Stratus.

I thought being the greatest meant you paved the way. Trish/Lita/Chyna should have and be paving the way for even better women's wrestling but if you look at what goes on with mainstream divas...things are much much worse. Even divas that did very little in th ring brought something special to TV (Sunny etc) I'd even put Sunny/Sable before Trish as they really were the ones that made divas...well Divas.

Looking at these lists...with the exception of uh...Tara/Victoria... o.O it really exposes how terrible the current crop of WWE divas are. James, Melina, McCool all these women really are nowhere great. They simply aren't as terrible as Kelly, Maria and the others.


Posted By: Jaxon (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 01:34 AM

 
 
I hadn't realized how much some of you overate Trish. you act like women hardly wrestled before her. No one remembers Sherri Martel?

Posted By: Guest#4399 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 01:37 AM

 
 
I think Pat is the only one who has commented thus far that really knows anything about women wrestling.

Scorfina...I normally like your stuff, but you listing Victoria as every choice shows that you didn't take this seriously.


Posted By: MissyNEVERWearssocksWithShoes (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 02:04 AM

 
 
Notable ommissions - Sherri Martel, Madusa, Mae Young.

Posted By: worthythorn (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 02:12 AM

 
 
Tough list to compile.

There are tons of factors to consider when determining the best women wrestlers: wrestling skill, unique moves, charisma, audience reaction, significance, worldwide popularity, their opponents, and looks.

I don't think I've seen a total package. When Victoria was doing her crazy act, I thought she was awesome. All she was lacking was a major storyline -- something that could headline Raw.

Trish lacked basic wrestling skill, but made up for it with charisma and unique moves. She was also involved in a big McMahon angle, so she seems more significant.

That said -- my vote goes to Sensational Sherri.


Posted By: Guest#3704 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 02:26 AM

 
 
Wow!! How soon we forget.
Now I dont expect the idiot writers to get it correct, but I figured someone would comment her.
Only The greatest Female Wrestler of all time...
SANTINA !!


Posted By: Handsome Ray Bronson (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 02:52 AM

 
 
Some of Lita's moves (in ring) were cringe-worthy. Not because they looked so sick, but because they looked like they would mistakenly hurt somebody some day. The slow rotations on that hurricarana were bad. So it wasn't a surprise when she hurt herself taping Dark Angel.

That said, when she was fresher in WWE (no jokes please) she had that refreshing tomboy energy. To me, that is what made her character.


Posted By: Guest#6348 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 02:55 AM

 
 
Why no love for Lita ?

Posted By: BPN (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 03:53 AM

 
 
If your talking who broke the most ground, then it's Chyna, who I can't fucking stand. She did stuff that no other woman will likely do ever again, so I have to give her credit.

But in terms of who was the most important female wrestler, it's Trish. People say she's either the "Rock" or "Austin" of the divas. Screw that. She's the "Rock AND Austin" of the divas. Lita, when she was healthy, was sort of the Rock to Trish's Austin, or vice versa(Trish reminds me more of Rock to be honest with you). But since Lita couldn't go more than 6 months without getting hurt, she's not in Trish's league.

You do realise that Trish is more famous than 95% of all wrestlers, male or female, right? Look at all the offers she has recieved since retiring. It's crazy. For a woman to get that famous through the wrestling business is pretty remarkable, whether you like her or not.


Posted By: Guest#7125 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 04:21 AM

 
 
Trish Stratus, hands down. She's the female version of The Rock. The beautiful, glamarous, Hollywood type. Comes in, becomes a mega star within a few years, leaves at the peak of their careers.

Oh yeah, and she's easily the biggest crossover female star ever, which I think only adds to her legacy. She is the only woman to succesfully use her wrestling fame and build a brand name for herself. The name "Trish Stratus" still draws big money. And as well known as she is in the states, she's even bigger in Canada. Alot of people thought Stacy Keibler was going to be a big star after wrestling. No offense to her, but those of us that can recognize real talent could have told you it was going to be Trish all along.


Posted By: Guest#7646 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 04:30 AM

 
 
Virgin Hubbard goes against god "Trish Stratus is undeniably one of the hottest women of all time.". Gonna wank over her using the tears that our comments bring you as your lubricant, you heathen bastard.

Posted By: Guest#8869 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 04:34 AM

 
 
The IWC shouldn't be allowed to do articles on women in wrestling. They obviously don't get it.

Posted By: Guest#1089 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 04:34 AM

 
 
Molly effing Holly you chodes

Posted By: Ben (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 04:43 AM

 
 
"Aaron Hubbard

HONORABLE MENTIONS

Chyna - The most successful women's wrestler of all time in WWE, with only Trish Stratus as serious competition."

Not really, Trish has never been in a royal rumble and has never held the INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Chyna beat Jeff Jarrett in a hardcore match, no less to capture the IC title.


Posted By: rorizzle (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 05:12 AM

 
 
Bull Nakano was pretty awesome as well especially in asst feds with Aja Kong. She deserves more love than she got on this list.

Posted By: jrpaper (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 05:44 AM

 
 
Anybody who doesn't have Trish in their top five doesn't deserve to ever even write on the internet and state their opinions. I don't see how ANYBODY could be ahead of her actually. She's the one who changed modern day women's wrestling and is by far the biggest female of the past two decades.

You can talk about old school females, but the fact is that women's wrestling was much more easier to get over in the old days of the 60's, 70's and even 80's. Come the 90's, people wanted something different from women. Trish managed to make it around the time that people weren't greatly interested in the women actually wrestling, yet she wrestled as good as almost anybody. She had a great mixed style inside the ring and probably more charisma than any female has ever had. Somebody once said it best when they said she's the female version of The Rock.

She's more important than most names mentioned on all lists, because in a way she helped turn women's wrestling around coming into the start of this decade. How anybody can say she wasn't talented in the ring is beyond me, because she was fantastic. Arguably the greatest female heel ever as well, again this all happened in a time when it was much harder to get over with the fans as well. More dedicated to the business than almost any other female too.

I'd give a side mention to Shantelle Taylor as well, who could of been the next big thing in female American's wrestling if it wasn't for TNA doing a terrible job with her. And Sensational Sherri too, who while not the greatest wrestler, set the boundries and was one of the greatest female heels to grace the business.

Some people need to learn more on women's wrestling before writing a column on this site. Some of the lists are laughable.


Posted By: SummerDogg (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 06:01 AM

 
 
So this basically comes down to nothing more than popularity. Because if we are talking actual wrestling then Chyna, Lita and Trish would be nowhere near the top of the list.

Posted By: alrighty (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 06:05 AM

 
 
"People who claim that Trish Stratus is the greatest female in-ring performer ever seriously need to educate themselves. Kyoko Inoue, Aja Kong, Bull Nakano, Toshiyo Yamada and Akira Hokuto all put her to shame." - Aaron Hubbard, 411 Wrestling Top 5, 02.04.09: Week 8
_______________________________________

This week: #5 - Kyoko Inoue, #4 - Akira Hokuto, #3 - Trish Stratus

Care to explain Aaron?


Posted By: JP (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 06:13 AM

 
 
"Rock and Austin may not be able to hold a candle in the ring to more technical and "Match of The Year regular" bad-asses like Bryan Danielson and Nigel McGuinness"

I think you are selling Stone Cold short here. Before his injury at SS97, he was tearing it up with superb matches with Bret, HBK, Taker and Owen. Now granted with that level of talent it would be hard not to have superb matches, but he was still a world class worker.


Posted By: Quimby (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 07:45 AM

 
 
I was #1 for sure!!!

Posted By: Pauline Roma (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 08:07 AM

 
 
Knew it before I clicked on the link. Ryan Byers lists a bunch of unknown nobodies in a failed attempt to look intelligent.

Posted By: Pwnage (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 08:22 AM

 
 
Madusa
Bull Nakano
Awesome Kong
Victoria
Velvet Sky-She wins for her entrance alone.


Posted By: Jake Fury (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 08:30 AM

 
 
Molly Holly anyone

Posted By: x-0816 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 08:57 AM

 
 
So you guys are all marks for Japanese womens wrestling? Losers with a Capital L! Go find someone to talk to and get out of your parents basement. You creepy little bastards!

Posted By: Matt Dawson (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 09:59 AM

 
 
Fabulous Mullah hands down. Held more titles longer than anybody else. That top five was ridiculous crap.

Posted By: Guest No. 1 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 10:15 AM

 
 
Jake,

While your opinions are appreciated, you're laying them on a little thick. To go on for a full paragraph about how delusional we are if we don't believde what you believe is a bit condescending (not to mention closed-minded). Just give your two cents and leave it at that. No need to insult your audience.


Posted By: E. E. Faulk (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 10:22 AM

 
 
5. Beulah - she had a 5 star classic w/Fonzie!

4. Lita when she wasn't blowing spots (or anything in sight)

3. Molly Holly

2. Trish

1. Beth F'n Phoenix!


Posted By: Doakes (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 10:54 AM

 
 
I am now convinced you guys are all idiots. Fabulous Moolah is the greatest female wrestler of all time period. That should not even be open to debate. Without Moolah female wrestling would not exist today she is the one and only one who kept it going until wrestling became a mainstream entity.

Posted By: Seriously (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 11:12 AM

 
 
Women's wrestling is god awful.

If I never have to see another botch-fest involving two women too ugly to make it as valets, it'll be too soon.

All of idiots aren't any cooler for saying joshi is awesome when in reality, it might be the closest thing to hell on Earth.


Posted By: Lester Bangs (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 11:15 AM

 
 
WTF? No Madusa Miceli or, more importantly, Sherri Martel? Cracka' please!

Posted By: Mo (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 11:24 AM

 
 
After reading Chambers' explanation... he's right. Chyna is #1.

Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Registered)  on December 02, 2009 at 11:44 AM

 
 
Honerable Mention. Dump Matsumoto - She could donkey the storytelling and psychology of an entire match. Everything about her was the perfect heel. She left nothing to liek about her, she wasn't beautiful, she wasn't in shape, she didn't do cool moves, she did
5. Cheerleader Melsisa: She can make anyone look good and bring out the best in them. She's given several shimmer girls their best matches or the match their breakout matches and helps them develop their characters in just one match. Melissa tells a story better than anyone currently on the indies imo. She tells different types of stories. She told an entire amazing story with Sarah Stock based soley on that Stock upset her in the first round of the shimmer tournament with a rollup countering her finisher. She knows how to build up a match to a breath taking near fall exchange. She's stiff without being too much so. She bumps her ass off, and makes her opponent look incredible without making herself look weak. She builds her matches to her opponents strengths. If her opponent is an uber technical wrestler, she'll work a technical match. She can have a mega brawl with a brawler, She can work strong styled for a strong styled opponent. Hell, she can take to the air even when she wants. She can take her heel persona and make it into a face persona and vice versa without taking anything away from either. She's an incredible terminating brawler, yet she doesn't really go over the top. She rarely puts people through tables or uses chairs. She simply uses energy, fire, and creativity to make even a body slam on the floor look like the most painful thing. Or she uses guardrails in the most creative ways to make it look like she's murking someone. She takes things from opponents and uses them and makes it her own and makes it work for her moveset and adds it to her character.
4. Mayumi Ozaki - Facials, Bitchiness, Athleticism, presence, she was just incredible. She was a 5'3 girl, but could make someone 6' look like the babyface in peril.
3. Manami Toyota - Her whole Moveset and storytelling and everything was built to make a breathtaking climax of a match. And the amount of 5 star matches she has easily speak for how effective that was.
2. Jaguar Yokota - I don't think anyone was so far above every single person in her promotion at her time as much as Jaguar was. She was innovative, athletic, was intense as a white sun, and had incredible psychology especially for the 80's.
1. Akira Hokuto: No one had presence, psychology, storytelling, intensity, heat, athleticism, Innovation, carrying ability, or charisma she had. She was perfect at absolutely everything. I can't imagine anyone watching her match against Kandori from Dreamslam and not thinking she's the greatest worker, male or female, of all time.


Posted By: PenginPenginELPS (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 11:45 AM

 
 
I cant believe so many of you did not get that Sforcina listed Victoria in all 5 positions. Dumb.

Posted By: Guest#3108 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 11:53 AM

 
 
"WOW!

Mathew Sforcina, Tara and Victoria are actually the same person. I can't believe you didn't know that. Just looking at them you can tell! At first I thought it was some stupid joke that you put them both on there, but no, you really are that dumb. How anyone could Think they're different people is beyond me. And the rest of your list is pretty stupid aswell. The Head Ho? are you serious? She had like one storyline and then disappeared. I don't even know what happened to her, she probably just faded into obscurity eventually. What a dumb thing to put on there. I am stunned at your ignorance. "

You are one stupid fuck. You have lost your privelage to post here anymore.


Posted By: Jim (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 12:12 PM

 
 
Honerable Mention: Dump Matsumoto: Everything about her was geared to be the greatest heel. She wasn't attractive, she was out of shape, and she rarely did more than brawl. She gave nothing to like about her. Yet she wasn't boring. She had such a grasp of psychology she could donkey an entire match based purely on that. Making an entire stadium of schoolgirls cry just from her winning is proof enough of how incredible she really was.
5. Cheerlader Melissa - She can create an amazing story out of the smallest thing. She can make an amazing feud just out of ring work. She helps new girls have their breakout match and learn their characters. She's so aware of her own body movement and knows how to bring up the aggression and move faster to look more aggressive when it calls for it. I don't know anyone who is more aware of their own body movement and different stories to tell in the ring in all of wrestling.
4. Mayumi Ozaki - She was 5'3 but was such an incredible worker, and knew so much how to use heeling and facials that she could legit make a 6 footer into a babyface in peril.
3. Manami Toyota - She had an incredible formula where everything she did was a build up to a breathtaking climax. Her sheer amount of 5 star matches speak for themselves.
2. Jaguar Yokota - The most athletic and innovative wrestler of her time, and really brought in a lot of psychology in a time when it was lacking in japanese wrestling.
1. Akira Hokuto - Has the best grasp of psychology of any wrestler I've ever seen, has incredible intensity, stiffness, and the ability to carry anyone to a great match. She was basically perfect at every aspect of wrestling.


Posted By: PenginPenginELPS (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 12:17 PM

 
 
I wanna know where Madusa is in all of this?

Posted By: ME (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 12:37 PM

 
 
Honarable Mention: beth phoenix
5.trish stratus
4.gail kim
3.lita
2.natalya niedhart
1.victoria "she ain't the lady to mess with, wwooo go go go"

i don't know alot about indies etc.


Posted By: james T. (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 12:46 PM

 
 
HM: Dump Matsumoto

5. Cheerleader Melissa
4. Mayumi Ozaki
3. Manami Toyota
2. Jaguar Yokota
1. Akira Hokuto


Posted By: Zack H. (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 12:56 PM

 
 
In my humble opinion, Trish Stratus was the greatest female wrestler. She was probably not as technically sound as some of these Japanese females. Or as big as certain women, but she definitely had me doing something that these current divas don't...and that's ACTUALLY watching her matches, and investing some interest on how those matches would turn out. They were entertaining, and she gave it her all. You could see it in the work rate. Many will argue that she only did certain moves over and over again in every match... but what wrestler doesn't usually do the "same old song and dance" routine (Flair immediately comes to mind)? The point is, as a casual fan Trish Stratus had me interested and not wanting to change the channel immediately. The matches were always entertaining and usually told some sort of story in the ring. Her being near the Women's title meant something. To me, Trish is numero uno.
On a different note however, Chyna is probably the most decorated female wrestler. And because of that she can't be too far from the top of my personal list. Joanie Laurer may be a far cry from Chyna, but it's what she accomplished in the ring that sets her above most. What other female has won the (now-semi-prestigious) Intercontinental Championship? None. What other female nearly main-evented SummerSlam 99' with the likes of Steve Austin and Triple-H? None. And what other female has ever participated in the 30-Man Royal Rumble Match itself? None but she. Plus seeing her in matches against Jericho reeked of awesomeness!
Lita.... ugh. I can appreciate her for doing stuff I probably wouldn't be able to do (moonsaults off of shit come to mind). But she was so.."rubbery" I guess is the best way to describe her. Her offense looked weak, and she always looked off balance until she was about to hit a spot. Which made up like 70% of her match anyways. Point is she was a female Hardy Boy knockoff (even though she was part of the team) and it irked me. She is just over rated and had the Hardy rub. I have to admit to liking some of her matches...but Trish was usually the opponent, go figure.
This is my opinion.


Posted By: Mr Southbay (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 12:59 PM

 
 
I second Molly Holly. She was always my favorite women's wrestler when she was working. She had a great style, never looked awkward, and could pull a good match out of some awful ladies. She was not showy, but completely solid and believeable. The Molly Holly gimmick started off well I thought, she was the sweet little sis type who could kick your ass. She went out on her terms too, very classy. And when she showed up on RAW not long ago, she looked pretty darned good!

Posted By: PDM (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 01:00 PM

 
 
5. Trish Stratus
4. Bull Nakano
3. Daizee Haze
2. Cheerleader Melissa
1. MsChif


Posted By: Tim (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 01:13 PM

 
 
just wanted to say I accidentally posted the same thing three times because I thought they didn't approve them for being too long. So I shortened it each time. Sorry about that.

Posted By: PenginPenginELPS (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 01:43 PM

 
 
Living the Gimmick Sforcina...living the gimmick.



Tara walks around and takes a strut.
Victoria, bends over touching her butt and he..




MARKS IN HIS PANTS!


Posted By: Alex Affliction (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 01:55 PM

 
 
1. Jetta
2. Jetta
3. Jetta
4. Luna Vachon
5. Jetta

That is all.


Posted By: Fenris (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 01:59 PM

 
 
Jake Chambers, you are a fool! Black is not technically a color. :)

Posted By: Michelle (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 02:04 PM

 
 
I loved Sforcina's list. Mathew, just know that if she ever lowers herself to marry someone in the IWC, it will be ME!

Madusa, Molly Holly and Beth Phoenix are terrible omissions. Madusa had the misfortune of no competition (save for Bull Nakano who I saw her face at Summerslam). Molly had great matches with everyone and her character work was always spot on. Beth has Chyna's power, much more athleticism, and happens to be a goddess. The Jumping Bomb Angels were years ahead of their time.

Flooding the rankings with Japanese wrestlers 98% of us never heard of is a waste.

Awesome Kong rules. That is all.


Posted By: Jason Douglas (Registered)  on December 02, 2009 at 02:23 PM

 
 
Wow, Julian Bond has NO comprehension of what he's talking about, whatsoever. No offense, but if your running a site, featuring a number of columnists writing about wrestling, those columnists should not be completely clueless.

That being said, there's a serious lack of Lucha Libre Girls, but that's understandable.


Posted By: Psych (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 02:37 PM

 
 
I'd also give Trish the nod for #1, and here's why:

Right after the brand split, Raw, in terms of entertainment and in-ring action, sucked hard. SmackDown was kicking ass with the rise of Brock Lesnar and the amazing athleticism of the "SmackDown Six." Raw was running tired main events like HHH vs. Kevin Nash or HHH vs. Scott Steiner or HHH vs. [insert broken-down star past his prime].

However, there was ONE bright spot during this time period... the feud of Trish Stratus vs. Victoria. The two of them just had AMAZING chemistry and basically kept Raw afloat in terms of quality. They had a match on Raw (I forget the date) that I considered the Raw match of the year, INCLUDING anything that the men had put on.


Posted By: Knutcase (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 02:44 PM

 
 
Everybody KNOWS that TEST was the greatest female wrestler of all time... duh

Posted By: Madcapunlimited (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 02:45 PM

 
 
Interesting lists everyone's come up with. For me it's difficult to formulate an definitive list of best women wrestlers, as so many wrestled in different countries, companies and different eras. Hence, I'd compile separate lists depending on different factors.

Divas (all-time):
1. Trish Stratus
2. Lita
3. Chyna
4. Victoria
5. Molly Holly

Current Divas:

1. Beth Phoenix
2. Natalya Neidhart
3. Gail Kim
4. Michelle McCool (like Trish, transcended the model image to become very good in the ring)
5. Katie Lea Burchill

TNA Knockouts (past and present):

1. Awesome Kong
2. Gail Kim
3. Angelina Love (her character on the women's side of things overall was incredible though there have been better workers).
4. Roxxi
5. Alissa Flash/Sarita (they've both proven to be two great acquisitions).

Joshi:

1. Jaguar Yokota
2. Manami Toyota
3. Bull Nakano
4. Aja Kong
5. Megumi Kudo


Posted By: Caprice Classic (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 02:46 PM

 
 
List needs more JUMPING BOMB ANGELS love. I don't watch women's wrestling, and especially not Japanese women's wrestling, but these bad bitches could flat out go. They were in the WWF for about a year in the late 80s and I swear to Christ, between the ropes they outclassed Savage, Steamboat, Bret, Tito, and everyone else on the roster. Kinda sexy too.

And I have to think Sforcina doesn't have HD, because Victoria's face is all kinds of beat up. Especially that nose.


Posted By: The REAL MP (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 02:55 PM

 
 
It's Michelle McCool. Anybody want to disagree with me? If you do, I'll tape my fists, and chase you down. Just give me a 20 second head start. It's getting hard to run on one hip.

Posted By: Undertaker (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 02:59 PM

 
 
5. Sarah Stock
4. Cheerleader Melissa
3. Molly Holly
2. Rain



1. Lacey


Posted By: tully (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 03:01 PM

 
 
Trish and Victoria

Posted By: FUZEY (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 03:56 PM

 
 
Are we basing this on talent? If so, Trish is no where near the top 5. Anyone that says so is either too narrow-minded to watch anything other than their precious 'E or they are just simply retarded.
If we're basing this on overall success, then yes - Trish has a place on the top 5 - behind Chyna of course. Because to WWE's credit, they have the ability to make stars, and it helps more than anything that they are the major game in North America with little to no competition so that more people can see their "success stories" and eventually said people can crawl onto sites such as this one and blindly post about how it produces the greatest wrestlers of all time.
I'm not bashing Trish at all, considering the short time that she was in the business, she improved dramatically and turned out to be a decent wrestler and more than that she made the perfect heel valet when she joined up with Christian (THE highlight of her career, IMHO).
So once again, the only thing that really irritates me is the blind notion that she "iz OMG teh best wrestlerz evar!!!111!!!" when it's so blantantly obvious that she is far from it.
Bring on the basement-dwelling, IWC smark, and any other baseless insults that are usually reserved for people that simply better than you. :)


Posted By: The Wolf (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 04:09 PM

 
 
"The MaTrish"
By far the most stupid thing I've ever seen and heard in the wwe


Posted By: Old coot on a computer (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 04:16 PM

 
 
My Top Five (Favorites)

1. Manami Toyota
2. Chigusa Nagayo
3. Sara Del Ray
4. Awesome Kong
5. Akira Hokuto


Posted By: babarr (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 04:20 PM

 
 
Haha. Brilliant Top 5, Mathew!

Posted By: Theodore "T-Bag" Bagwell (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 04:25 PM

 
 
No Molly Holly???????? What about Wendi Richter??? And Matthew, what would you do if Tara and Victoria were to square off, oh my!!!

Posted By: FrontierDriver (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 04:36 PM

 
 
Trish as a top five wrestler??? I'd rather watch Sally the Farmer's Daughter from the days of GLOW! And Molly never gets any respect on here...there's no Madusa either.

Posted By: Guest#4562 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 04:45 PM

 
 
It'd have been nice if there was two separate lists, Top 5 Western Women wrestlers and Top 5 Japanese women. They're two separate wrestling cultures, they deserve to be looked at differently.

Posted By: The Celt (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 05:14 PM

 
 
Of course people are going to put Trish and Lita in their top fives. You know why? Because these are the same people that consider 90% of WWE's current roster of generic looking nancyboys to be future main eventers. So they're easily impressed.

Posted By: Dr. Martin Van Nostrand (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 05:19 PM

 
 
I win and you all know it!

Posted By: Caliente from W.O.W (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 05:33 PM

 
 
The top women wrestlerz are the divaz
5) Tiffany
4) The Bella twinz
3) Alicia Fox
2) Maryse
1) Michelle mCCOOL
Who is Trish?! If it didnt happen in the last 3 months it didnt exist at all!!!

Also Mickie James is fat. Case clozed!


Posted By: WWE Universe/IWC Hybrid (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 05:42 PM

 
 
i always loved molly holly..

Posted By: Guest#0144 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 05:47 PM

 
 
Not really, Trish has never been in a royal rumble and has never held the INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Chyna beat Jeff Jarrett in a hardcore match, no less to capture the IC title.

Posted By: rorizzle (Guest) on December 02, 2009 at 05:12 AM

Exactly. people that truly follow wrestling can understand - chyna did things no other diva has - plain and simple.

You guys are thinking with your cocks obviously. Very pathetic.


Posted By: Guest#4926 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 06:08 PM

 
 
Trish wins if it's based on wet dreams alone. You're all so delusional. no Madusea, Molly Holly love? And I guess holding the title for more than a decade means very little here. what a bunch of crap...then again what was I expecting?

and in terms of popularity, Trish does not win, outside of the Canada she isn't as popular as many of you would like to believe. Believe it or not Chyna is much more well known for...many reasons above Trish Stratus. so if this based on general popularity and impact. Chyna is #1.


Posted By: Guest#2129 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 06:16 PM

 
 
Moolah is the one of the most famous names, but let's be real, she was more of a politician than a wrestler. She didn't draw anything and certainly wasn't a great worker by any means. She monopolized that belt and worked a terrible, monotonous style.

Wendi Richter in the 80's, Trish, Lita, Chyna, heck Alundra Blayze surpass her in every way.


Posted By: Guest#3867 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 06:35 PM

 
 
love trish but the jumping bomb angels had me pop'n like they was the female version of the British bulldogs bacc in the day yell

Posted By: THE GREAT BOX (Registered)  on December 02, 2009 at 06:52 PM

 
 
I thought Queen Victoria of OVW and Tara (Victoria) are the same person.

Posted By: \'B\' (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 06:53 PM

 
 
So it doesn't matter if you are horrible in the ring (Chyna) or just average (Trish) as long as you were popular that makes you one of the top wrestlers?
If so, then Hogan is indeed the greatest WRESTLER of all time


Posted By: well.. (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 07:11 PM

 
 
"People who claim that Trish Stratus is the greatest female in-ring performer ever seriously need to educate themselves. Kyoko Inoue, Aja Kong, Bull Nakano, Toshiyo Yamada and Akira Hokuto all put her to shame." - Aaron Hubbard, 411 Wrestling Top 5, 02.04.09: Week 8
_______________________________________

This week: #5 - Kyoko Inoue, #4 - Akira Hokuto, #3 - Trish Stratus

Care to explain Aaron?

Posted By: JP (Guest) on December 02, 2009 at 06:13 AM

Wow I went back and read that and you did kind of contradict yourself there


Posted By: Guest (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 07:13 PM

 
 
5. Bull Nakano
4. Sherri Martel
3. Madusa Micelli
2. Wendi Richter

1. TIFFANY MILLION (yeah... I went there)


Posted By: David O (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 07:22 PM

 
 
Melina is not only the best woman wrestler, she's probaly the best in the world, period. Please, PLEASE call me sometime Ms.Perez. It's getting lonley up here in Calgary and I'm sure your horse teeth must be good for something.

Posted By: Bret Hart (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 07:23 PM

 
 
....Lacey - I can't not give love to this girl; she's hot, her spoiled brat heel character is top of the line and played to perfection, and she is a crisp worker as well.....

really? REALLY? REAAAAAAALLY? fail.


Posted By: Guest#6015 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 07:29 PM

 
 
Hey Bret! Remember our "Sunny days"? *wink*

Posted By: Tammy (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 07:47 PM

 
 
Molly and Victoria were hell of a lot more talented than Trish in just about every way. You wanks are just mindless internet drones and when you do try to think, it's with your millimeter peters.

Posted By: Dynamite Kid Tom Billington (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 07:55 PM

 
 
I agree that Madusa/Alundra Blaze deserves at least an honorable mention. She was the WWF woman's division for the mid 90's. Granted, there was very little competition, but she still made her opponents look good, and she would have wiped the mat with most of today's "Divas" Unfortunately, between her dumping the WWF Woman's belt in the trash on Nitro for absolutely no payoff, and the horribly booked stuff under Russo in 99, she pretty much pissed away her legacy. However, a Madusa/Trish matchup probably would have been fun to watch.

Posted By: Michael L (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 08:00 PM

 
 
I will say Stephanie McMahon should be somewhere on these lists. She was able to wrestle her massive jugs into those tiny outfits she wore when she was GM of Smackdown so that proves right there that she had the looks and the talent. Sure, she sounded like a cat being burned alive when she spoke but breasts big enough to have their own gravitational pull along with one hell of an ass canceled out the screeching.

I have to go touch myself now.


Posted By: Zingy (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 08:19 PM

 
 
I'm actually kind of shocked that Wendi Richter didn't at least get an honorable mention. Before her, women looked and wrestled like Moolah. But Richter made not only made beauty important, but she could actually wrestle and fly around the ring. I think you could make a legit case for calling her the first Diva in wrestling.

Posted By: JLAJRC (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 08:24 PM

 
 
I will say Stephanie McMahon should be somewhere on these lists. She was able to wrestle her massive jugs into those tiny outfits she wore when she was GM of Smackdown so that proves right there that she had the looks and the talent. Sure, she sounded like a cat being burned alive when she spoke but breasts big enough to have their own gravitational pull along with one hell of an ass canceled out the screeching.

I have to go touch myself now.

Posted By: Zingy (Guest) on December 02, 2009 at 08:19 PM

Pig


Posted By: MissyNEVERWearssocksWithShoes (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 09:34 PM

 
 
I'm very happy to see all the Joshi girls get the nod here. I came in thinking there would be nothing but the North American girls on here. I'm very happy I was wrong.

Posted By: Terra (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 10:28 PM

 
 
5. Molly Holly
4. Molly Holly
3. Molly Holly
2. Molly Holly
1. Molly Holly


Posted By: Guest#9304 (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 10:42 PM

 
 
Hate to tell you on that list, but "The Head Ho"?...that's Victoria. So four out of your top 5 are the same woman. Hi five for consistency!

Posted By: Saint Orleans (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 10:56 PM

 
 
Whoops...I SEE WUT U DID HEEER LOL. Off to go troll elsewhere now.

Posted By: Saint Orleans (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 10:57 PM

 
 
Trish definitely, and Stacy Keibler are my top two divas. Could really care less about what they did in the ring, unless a thong peeked out under a skirt or something.

Posted By: Call me a pig, I don't care (Guest)  on December 02, 2009 at 11:26 PM

 
 
It's hard to compare women wrestlers when the ones mentioned have worked in different places and contexts. Like I can't compare a Diva to a Knockout or to a Japanese woman wrestler. Or even a pre-Diva WWF woman wrestler to a Diva.

Virtually all those who have been mentioned have made their mark in some form or another. Some are very good wrestlers (especially the Japanese ones), others have star quality, but for what it's worth all of them deserve credit for doing well/getting respect in pro-wrestling where women's roles can be limited. The one category of women I can't rate would be the indy women, one because a number of them are working for TNA already and two none have really cemented their spots as great despite many being quality workers (SHIMMER has only been open for 4 years).


Posted By: Guest#3752 (Guest)  on December 03, 2009 at 07:22 AM

 
 
"WOW!

Mathew Sforcina, Tara and Victoria are actually the same person. I can't believe you didn't know that. Just looking at them you can tell! At first I thought it was some stupid joke that you put them both on there, but no, you really are that dumb. How anyone could Think they're different people is beyond me. And the rest of your list is pretty stupid aswell. The Head Ho? are you serious? She had like one storyline and then disappeared. I don't even know what happened to her, she probably just faded into obscurity eventually. What a dumb thing to put on there. I am stunned at your ignorance. "

You are one stupid fuck. You have lost your privelage to post here anymore.

Posted By: Jim (Guest) on December 02, 2009 at 12:12 PM

OMG Jim are YOU that stupid that you can't tell he is trying to make a point?.. He is a HUGE Lisa Marie Varon fan/mark so is marking the 5 stages of her career and saying that no one else even deserves to be in "his" top 5.

Epic win Sforcina...Epic win


Posted By: Guest#3695 (Guest)  on December 03, 2009 at 08:49 AM

 
 
"....Lacey - I can't not give love to this girl; she's hot, her spoiled brat heel character is top of the line and played to perfection, and she is a crisp worker as well.....

really? REALLY? REAAAAAAALLY? fail.

Posted By: Guest#6015 (Guest) on December 02, 2009 at 07:29 PM"

obviously you don't know, who you're talking about, son.


Posted By: tully (Guest)  on December 03, 2009 at 09:43 AM

 
 
(Honorable Mention: Trish Stratus, Chaparrita ASARI, Lita, Molly Holly, Lisa Marie Varon, Jazz, Gail Kim, Esther Moreno, Toshiyo Yamada, Mayumi Ozaki, Manami Toyota, Suzuka Minami)

5) Monster Ripper/Reggie Bennett
4) Luna Vachon/Jacqueline
3) Aja Kong
2) Akira Hokuto
1) Bull Nakano


Posted By: Sandro (Guest)  on December 03, 2009 at 08:31 PM

 
 
Wow I'm surprise to see many of you even knowing about Japanese female wrestling or (joshi puroresu) anyways aren't these like outdated list of who were great in their prime; how about now like currently on who is the best active female wrestlers

Posted By: Cookies (Guest)  on December 04, 2009 at 05:36 AM

 
 
my top 10 women wrestlers
1- moulah
2- aja kong
3- awsome kong
4- marcedes martinez
5- sara del ray
6- chyna
7- simply loucious
8- gail kim
9- medusa mecheli
10- malia hosaka


Posted By: paul moholland (Guest)  on September 15, 2010 at 10:36 AM

 


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