Shining a Spotlight 1.28.10: Making New Stars
Posted by Michael Weyer on 01.28.2010
How the process of letting old stars make way for the new isn't as easy as one would think.
You'd have to have been under a rock for the last two weeks not to have heard of the debacle going on at NBC with Jay Leno and Conan O'Brien. I'm a Letterman fan personally so not that invested in it but I do think it's pretty much a horrible deal for O'Brien. My major beef is the fact that Leno basically made the promise back in 2004 that he'd turn The Tonight Show over to Leno and went through all the motions of giving it up only to change his mind a year back and decide he didn't want to leave TV. You can't blame him for NBC's disastrous decision to give him a nightly show and the ratings pall that fell but amazes me that NBC honestly blames Conan for not being able to match the ratings considering the horrible lead-in he had. Rather than do the honorable thing and step back, Leno accepts the Tonight Show back and Conan is pushed out.
The whole mess got me to thinking how often in wrestling you see stuff somewhat like this. Not to this degree of public debacle, of course, but still you see the reluctance of the older stars giving the newer ones their shot. It's partly the stars and also partly the promoters/owners but it's hard to really give the rub as much as one should.
How it should work
When a wrestling star catches on, it's almost always by accident more than real plans. As RD Reynolds brilliantly observed, so many times the angles and gimmicks that look perfect on paper bomb while the stuff that sounds incredibly stupid goes on to draw huge money. The Undertaker is a great example as back in 1990, the idea of a big zombie guy in funeral clothes still being a huge star twenty years later was ridiculous. John Cena was an okay worker but it took a goofy Vanilla Ice costume to get over big-time. Goldberg managed to do it just on his soft but deadly approach of dominating anyone in his path. You just don't know who can click and who won't.
Promoters will try to push newer guys to varying degrees of success. One of the best examples was WCW with Vader pushed as the unstoppable monster, crushing Sting for the title and dominating for over a year as champ, punishing anyone put against him. But then, WCW also had a record from 1991-94 of pushing guys whose gimmicks put ‘80's WWF to shame (PN News, Kevin Nash as Oz, Arachaman and more). When JBL was pushed as champion in 2004, fans were a bit cool to the idea of this long-time midcarder as the top heel but by the end of his reign, JBL had managed to get over as a great heel worker. The jury is still out on Sheamus although he's lasted longer as champ than I expected.
So a star will catch on, for whatever reason and rise up, getting over huge, doing great main events and selling merchandise. However, sooner or later, that star will fade. Again, it's up in the air how long it could last as Undertaker still pulls them in while guys like Shawn Michaels and HHH are hot as they always were. But it does happen to a lot of guys, that their stars can fade and the fans will cool. Hogan in the ‘90's is a great example of that.
So the idea is that you have the older guy give the newer guy the rub by losing matches, putting him over. A fine example there is Harley Race, nearing the twilight of his run as an in-ring competitor, let Ric Flair beat him at the first Starrcade and thus Flair was able to get over even bigger with the fans. A more recent example would be HHH who, while certainly guilty of not getting guys over him, did do a great job with Batista in 2005, not only losing the belt but letting Dave get wins over him afterward. Even Cena took part as dropping the belt to Sheamus was a big surprise that actually makes the guy look like a threat. In theory, this should lead to a fresh crop of stars to keep the business going.
Why It Doesn't
The reasons why this simple theory doesn't work are varied and can be blamed on a few factors: The stars, the promoters and yes, the fans.
For the stars, it's obvious why they don't want to cede the spotlight. These guys are used to being on the top and getting the fame and adulation, not to mention the money. The idea of losing that, of giving up their spot and what they love, is something they just don't want to accept. Wrestling is an ego trip to so many guys, a high better than any drug and they don't want to come down from that. Plus, like most in the older generation, these guys hate the idea of the young lions out to replace them.
Hulk Hogan is probably the most obvious case of this mentality, a man who time and again has shown he just can't live without being the center of attention. Yes, he's put some guys over in the past now and then (Ultimate Warrior, Brock Lesner) but we all know the stories of him throwing his weight around and refusing to clean finishes and such (Starrcade ‘97). Hogan has managed to use his amazing popularity to his advantage but still has a horrible track record for giving the younger guys the brush.
Ric Flair is a unique case as so many will talk about him putting young guys over like Sting. But when you really look at his track record, that's not quite the case. He'd let guys pin him in tag bouts but when it came time for the real title matches, Flair would always end up with the belt, even against guys who could carry it like Barry Windham. Lex Luger may not have been the best worker but was hugely over with the fans in 1988, a guy who could have done well as a face champion and Flair's refusal to give him the belt harmed Crockett's business massively. In ‘89, he dropped it to Ricky Steamboat, not a rookie but any means, got it back quick and beat down Terry Funk in a long feud. Yes, he dropped it to Sting in ‘90 but after business went south and he got the belt back, he pretty much buried Sting afterward. Like Hogan, Flair just can't give wrestling up and too often, seems to be more sucking up the heat of a younger guy than giving him a rub.
But while it's easy to blame the stars, the promoters have their share of blame. With them, it's not wanting to give up on what works, they refuse to accept how the heat is dying down and give up on something they think can still draw. That's why WCW kept with the New World Order for so long, it was pretty much the one major gimmick they'd pulled off to true success and Bischoff just couldn't get it through his head that fans were getting sick of the same old guys dominating all the time when they had slews of hot talent at their feet to push. WCW did try to push that idea more in 2000 with the "New Blood vs. Millionaires Club" feud but that fell apart thanks to the erratic behind the scenes chaos with Russo and Bischoff trying to work together.
WWE has been guilty of the same mentality, trying over and over to recreate the past from the NWO to DX and bringing back old stars. And TNA has gotten a poor rap from so many for insisting on pushing past their prime guys like Nash, Sting and now the Nasty Boys, going more for nostalgia factor than actual great talent in the ring and that's harming them in the eyes of many fans. I enjoy AJ Styles a lot but the idea of turning him into Ric Flair 2.0 seems a bit much. On the other hand, having a man still as respected as Flair helping him along should solidify AJ more to those outside of TNA and with Hogan exerting some influence, he can use all he can get to keep on top of things.
It's money that drives these decisions. When a guy makes a lot of money for the company, it gets him over nicely and they don't want to admit that the stars' time has past. HHH is a unique case as he's family for Vince and still turns in great matches and feuds while HBK has shown a lot of loyalty that's been rewarded. Of course, some promoters can be wary of pushing newer guys for a variety of reasons. Kennedy was obviously pushed to be a new star but his various suspensions and injuries ruined that. Brock Lesner was given the keys to the kingdom, reigning high only to walk out on WWE at the height of his success. Things like that can make a company wary of really investing in a new guy when it's so much easier to just go back to the old reliable. It's always about money in wrestling, especially in times like this, and it's not as if wrestling is the only field that's guilty of pandering to the past.
But another factor in all this is the fan base. This topic shows once again how there's a much wider gap between the IWC and the majority of fans than some will acknowledge. Guys online can bitch and grouse about old-timers like Taker or HHH or such still on top. But there's a reason they're still out there, which is that the fans in the arena, the ones who pay to watch, still go for them. Taker still gets some of the biggest pops around and fans eat up the DX stuff gladly. IWC guys will bitch about Cena but he still gets pops and, more importantly, sells a ton of merchandise at shows which means he'll be on top for a while still. The fans in the arenas are who WWE pays attention to, they're the ones who decide most things and more often than not, their attentions decide the fate of more than a few stars.
TNA is a bit different with their fan base as most have seen the video of their crowd literally told how to behave so it's more about TNA's decisions there. ROH is more of a "smark" audience, more "in the know" on the Internet and ROH in the past has listened to both sides. Of course, the company does seem intent on pushing guys and angles like the rematch of Aries/Black despite the first bout being such a mess. As mentioned before, so many times angles and characters that seem great to work on paper don't connect with the fans in the arenas while stuff you don't think they'll go for takes off. You can't decide on first reactions as a lot of stuff takes time to develop, that's the point. No one becomes a star overnight, it's a long process of trial and error. To instantly judge a guy as "not ready" or "ready right now" is a snap judgment that can harm the worker and the plans and shake things up the wrong way.
The IWC has a tendency to decide how guys are "held back" and "not pushed enough," ignoring the fact that some guys really just don't have what it takes to be real main event stars. For years, RVD was said to be the guy perfect to carry WWE but when he was finally given his shot, it took him less than a month for his personal problems to ruin things. Jeff Hardy is another example as is Kennedy. I enjoy Shelton Benjamin as a performer but guy really doesn't have the right charisma to succeed on the bigger levels. Yes, Sheamus may be young and raw but the fact WWE is giving him a chance shows they are trying to infect new blood. You do have to pull the trigger now and then and take a shot, see how it works. Flair refused to give Luger that chance in ‘88 and Crockett ended up paying for it. Once again, it's the fans in the arenas WWE listen to and so far Sheamus has done okay so sometimes when you roll the dice, they can come up something other than snake eyes.
Summation
It's easy for people outside the wrestling business to say how easy it is to elevate new talent but, as often happens, they fail to see how tricky the reality is. Yes, it's best to have older stars cede the spotlight a bit and give the young guys a shot. But the fact is that a lot of these "old guys" can still make it work. Look at Taker and HBK putting on the Match of the Year of 2009 over so many of the young guns. That doesn't take into account the fact that a lot of older stars hate giving up their spots while the promoters dislike breaking with what works. And more often than not, it's the fans, not the IWC or promoters, who decide who the stars truly are which can influence things greatly. So critics can bitch and moan over how the "old guard" won't move aside but overlook that sometimes, having an older set can help things out. There are limits, of course, but as so much in wrestling, making a new star isn't as easy as it looks. But when it does work, it works great which makes the process so fun to watch.
That's all for this week. For now, the spotlight is off.
I blame the wrestlers' families. Want a house over their heads? A good future? What greedy bastards - let go of the spotlight! And the money to keep the spotlight shining!
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 12:17 PM
I think that WWE Universe has done a GREAT job in pushing young talent.
I mean, let's look at the current crop of "young studs" invading the WWE main event scene:
Bret Hart
Mr. McMahon
Triple H
HBK
Undertaker
Batista
By golly, these young kids are gonna take WWE to the next level.
Posted By: Elvylanda (guest) (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 12:23 PM
I dont think the majority of younger guys are capable of carrying the company. Cena, Orton are proven commodities, but outside of those two, what real star power is there? Kingston, hes already been depushed. MVP, no thanks. Cody Rhodes has to rework his character, cause he really has none. Hopefully Diabase Jr can make something of himself, I think he can. Why am I wasting my time writing this, my opinion doesnt matter at all.
Posted By: Tom (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 12:41 PM
There are a number of factors as to why there is a dearth of young talent who are even in the position to become the "next big thing."
1. Transformation of the business. In the past, a wrestler would work the indies for quite a few years before even having the opportunity to get into one of the majors. Thus, they get experience of being on the road, let alone how to work a match. Now, while there are still indie feds, the WWE usually relies upon its developmental fed to help build talent, and it's sad to say that FCW seems to be pretty pitiful compared to OVW in terms of getting talent ready for prime time. In OVW, you had potentail stars such as Batista, Cena, Orton and Lesner, and to varying degrees they had the "it" factor. Who has really come out of FCW ready for a major push?
2. Booking: It seems as if the WWE has completely forgotten how to push young talent, expecting them to get on camera and "get over." If there is a promising star, why not run a few spots, like they did with Edge and CM Punk? That at least builds up the character, providing anticipation. Of course, when the wrestler does get into the company, they need to give him/her something to do, and it usually takes a year for the WWE to even find a decent angle--with rare exceptions.
3. Patience: How manny times have we seen the WWE, or even TNA bring someone in, and do nothing with, only to let them go down the road because they have "nothing for them"
4. Fans. The fans keep cheering the established talent, and that's what the feds keep pushing. Unless somebody new has a "hook" the fans don't care.
5. Young talent: With few exceptions, the WWE has been very cautious when it comes to pushing new talent, and for good reason--many of the talent don't work out. Lashley & Lesner provided prime examples of what happens when you overpush someone who isn't ready for it. On the other hand, RVD and Hardy simply had too many personal demons; while RVD blew up in the WWE's face, Hardy's demons surfaced after he left.
6. Personality: As long as we're getting into younger talent, let's consider their personality & charisma. As much as the IWC lived Benoit, he was a flop as champion, in part b/c they never really made him a credible champ, but also b/c his character doesn't quite go along with the WWE universe. The same thing is true with Mysterio, although his title run was even worse.
7. Booking Pt. 2: Even when relatively new talent makes it to the main event level, it often is not done so in a way that makes them credible. Jericho's 1st title run in 2001-2002 was a complete joke, taking a backseat to the HHH/Steph divorce angle, while Punk's 1st run was seen as a fluke.
Posted By: Michael L (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 01:14 PM
I think that WWE Universe has done a GREAT job in pushing young talent.
I mean, let's look at the current crop of "young studs" invading the WWE main event scene:
Bret Hart
Mr. McMahon
Triple H
HBK
Undertaker
Batista
By golly, these young kids are gonna take WWE to the next level
Don't worry I'm sure TNA's young crop of
Hulk Hogan
Kevin Nash
Scott Hall
The Nasty Boys
Team 3D
Scott Steiner
Ric Flair and
Sting
will be able to carry the torch o the professional wrestling scene once WWE's crop fades into the sunset
Posted By: Sabby (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 01:31 PM
"I think that WWE Universe has done a GREAT job in pushing young talent.
I mean, let's look at the current crop of "young studs" invading the WWE main event scene:
Bret Hart
Mr. McMahon
Triple H
HBK
Undertaker
Batista
By golly, these young kids are gonna take WWE to the next level.
Posted By: Elvylanda (guest) (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 12:23 PM"
Come on man! WWE has a roster of about sixty or seventy wrestlers and you can only name six "old guys" hogging the spotlight, two of whom had 2009 match of the year (HBK and Taker). Two of them aren't even being pushed as wrestlers (Hart and McMahon), and have a long and storied history together which deserves some kind of pay off in my eyes (but then I've been watching wrestling for twenty years, not five like I suspect some of the people who comment on this site have). One who is more than capable of putting on a great match or decent feud (HHH, who I am no supporter of).
Batista is crap, no question. But he's popular (and as a heel, far more enjoyable) and has only been in the promotion for about eight years and could hardly be compared to the 15, 20 or 30+ years of the Hogans, Flairs, Nashs, Halls and Waltmans of this world.
In the past year WWE have done a decent job pushing the likes of Kofi Kingston, Sheamus, Drew McIntyre, The Miz, John Morrison etc, etc, etc.
People like John Cena, Randy Orton, Brock Lesnar, Edge, CM Punk and Jeff Hardy weren't born in the positions they are in now, it takes time to build wrestler in to main eventers, not to mention international stars. It makes absolutely no sense to dispose of the proven commodities you have in order to have new people on top for the hell of it. You use those commodities to legitimize and raise the status of the younger, newer guys. It makes perfect sense.
I suppose I'll be branded as some kind of WWE mark for this. Well I suppose I am, as I said before I've been watching for a long time (I'm also a fan of ROH, CHIKARA, Shimmer, AJ Styles, Kurt Angle and various Japanese wrestlers).
I am however a little bored of the current WWE product myself and in some ways I can see your (poorly made) point in a way. I wouldn't, however, blame this on the performers you listed, or not all of them anyway. It's more to do with the lack of creative ideas and/or stupid gimmicks (guest GMs etc) that take the focus away from the actual wrestling (and wrestling focused storylines) itself.
In short:
HHH - Has made it to the level he has on sheer talent (he married Stephanie after he got to, or near, the top).
HBK - STILL one of the best in the world.
Undertaker - Still capable and I smell the end for him coming in the next year or two.
Hart and McMahon - Potentially an amazing story.
Batista - You got me.
But...
Who cares what you think.
Posted By: Guest#6834 (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 03:20 PM
Other than a few cases, most stars aren't born overnight, but many years of trial and error until something catches on.
I think alot of people forget that.
Posted By: Sean (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 03:24 PM
Ignore elvylanda, every week he posts intrepid bile usually making things up in order to promote his anti-WWE/pro-TNA stance as if we're supposed to give a shit. It's incredibly tiresome and furthers my opinion that the comments system needs some sort of moderation system in which we can report comments, rather than just one person who decides whether or not they should be allowed.
The problem with a lot of people who proclaim the greatness of creating new stars is that they overlook something just as important if not moreso - namely MAINTAINING stars. Don't get me wrong, Hogan's a glory-hogging cunt and there have been others, but the fact still remains that if you're constantly thinking about the 'next generation' you can totally ignore what you already have, and that could be yet more disastrous. Also, many of the best pay-offs in terms of people winning championships are those where they've toiled for years and are finally getting their rewards (Benoit, Guerrero, Styles, the Hardys). To just shove them straight up there could do more damage than good in the long run. Look at Sheamus, for example - talented as he is, his WWE title win was rightly shat on at the start because he hadn't been established.
Ultimately, if we're forever searching for the 'next big thing' what we'll end up with is an ever-transitioning field of forgettable champions. Imagine if after Sheamus won the title, instead of pushing him as champion they immediately gave it to Kofi, then to Swagger, etc. It would be a free-for-all and nobody would get over for it. Say what you like about Cena, but even with the flukeyness of the victory Sheamus came over huge by defeating him for his title as opposed to winning it in a battle royal. That's because Cena's been kept at the top of the pile.
Frie.
Posted By: Cun\' (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 03:48 PM
It's definitely a combination of reasons that old stars remain on top.
- I don't know what kind of pay disparity there is between main event and midcard, but if it's huge, I wouldn't want to be demoted.
- Old guys can still get big pops. This makes for great TV.
- Old guys also sell a lot of merchandise. This helps the company's bottom line.
- Sports Entertainment makes it easy for old guys to "keep up." WWE has a slow, deliberate style. Often, their top guys don't even need to wrestle on a show to hog the spotlight.
- As pointed out earlier, new guys tend to be brought up to the main roster before they're ready.
- There's nowhere to go after wrestling for 20+ years. They love what they do, but they can't all become backstage agents or onscreen managers.
Posted By: Guest#3858 (Guest) on January 28, 2010 at 03:53 PM
Honestly I think there are some simple steps each of these commpanies could use to get stars over. They are pretty easy and not nearly as polatrizing as many of the net seem to suggest.
WWE: Cena, Taker, DX, ect. ARE over make them the focus of your shows(They draw and many of them are still very servicable) but while doing so build some interesting midcard programs and commit to them keep throwing those against the wall and wait for someone to catch fire. Also avoid over pushing at the first sign of a reaction. Worked for Hardy, worked for Cena, working for Punk, worked for all the beloved Attitude stars. It's an issue of not forcing it.
RoH: Their fans are smarky(Me included.) keep doing what your doing your a niche brand don't try to explode onto a national scene that doesn't want you there yet. Instead focus on creating awareness for your brand and hope wrestling audience decide they'd like a change, if they do success will come if not you have your loyal niche market.
TNA: Bring in the old guys but stick with name value for instance: Kennedy, Flair, Hogan, Foley, Angle = Sure why not, however Nasty Boys, Val Venis = Why?. Use these guys to draw ratings but on the actual shows let your younger talent try to steal the show all out matches, heart felt promos, all the choices storylines(Because let's be honest people are watching the Flairs and Hogans just to see them don't waste good effort on them just let them do the nostalgia thing till it gets stale) and acclimate these new viewers to them pretty soon the warm fuzzies you feel from seeing stars of the past wear off but hopefully it's given these new fresh guys a chance to become the stars of today.
Posted By: Tyler (Guest) on January 29, 2010 at 05:01 AM
"Batista is crap, no question. But he's popular (and as a heel, far more enjoyable) and has only been in the promotion for about eight years"
Nearly a decade of Batista? Man I feel old.
Posted By: Loki (Guest) on January 29, 2010 at 05:32 AM
Everyone goes on & on about pushing new stars & yes it need to be done but it doesnt mean you push people straight away just for the sake of it, a few years ago we had Cena & Orton come through & look at them now & if you look at Punk hes a young star that been pushed & now looks like he belongs in main event matches, truth is young people will get pushed if they are good enough & have the right attitude.
Posted By: jbardo (Guest) on January 29, 2010 at 06:51 AM
I think one of the biggest problems WWE and TNA have is that they think that the main event wrestlers are the only ones that draw the audience in. They give no thought to the middle hour, almost treating it like filler between the opening speech and the main event. If you watch any other show on TV, they all try their best to make every minute of the show worth watching, and some shows are even made by the work of the supporting cast. In WWE it's the opposite--the supporting cast (midcarders) is barely given anything interesting to do. If the characters can't get any heat in the midcard because of the way they're written, why does anyone think they'll do well at the main event?
Posted By: Sly Reference (Guest) on January 29, 2010 at 08:53 AM
you know why the late 90's and early 2000's socked? cuz every "top" name from the 80's didnt want to retire, clogging up the system and not stepping aside. problem #2- a lot of the guys starting at this time were not wrestlers who chose the profession as a starting point ( warrior, sting, nash) so they didnt respect the business and bitched when things werent handed to them. some guys definitely stuck around too long, but their repalcements just didnt draw the numbers, so they were always brought back. its a whole catch 22 thing. and ARACHNAMAN WAS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: pjl (Guest) on January 31, 2010 at 07:09 PM
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