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The Contentious Ten 02.01.10: Hulk Hogan Matches
Posted by Aaron Hubbard on 02.01.2010



When I decided I was going to start doing this column, I found out my first column would be posted on the night when Bret Hart came back to the WWE and Hulk Hogan debuted on TNA. I debated in my head whether to do a Bret list or a Hogan list. I talked to a fellow writer and he said "I wonder what's harder, narrowing it down to ten matches for Bret or finding ten for Hogan." Well, I love a good challenge, and since I'm writing this before the Royal Rumble happens, I decided to see if I could find ten Hogan matches worth talking about.

Normally, this is the part of the column where I respond to comments that interest me, mention a match/performer that deserved mention, etc. However, I thought I would just say that I was very happy to see the amount of positive and thoughtful comments last week's article got. I'm not the type to say thank you for being nice to my column or whatever, but it was still cool. Now, of course, there are always a few specific comments that I feel warrant a response.

Told you last week. The rumble was Benoits PPV.

Posted By: JBL


Actually, if you go off of sheer volume of appearances on my list, the Royal Rumble was Shawn Michaels' PPV.

Yeah, Angle/Benoit all the way but damn Cactus/Hunter was fucking amazing as well.

Posted By: Guest#3632


The thing I hated most about last week's list was having to pick between those two. They are totally different matches and, in my opinion, the absolute best representation of the style they use. So how can you pick one? I have a feeling that I could have switched those two and most people would still agree with the list. Both are classics.

Jericho-Benoit is ranked #4? That wasn't even the best ladder match of the month! Benoit stopped being relevent 3 years ago! Get with the times man!

Posted By: Steve


Point 1: Benoit is absolutely relevant today. Don't kid yourself, Benoit is probably the only wrestler who actually was relevant at all in the last five years, at least when it comes to the world outside of wrestling.

Point 2: Ok, so thanks to you we now know that Benoit-Jericho wasn't the best ladder match of January 2001. So….what is? I really hope you're reading this so I can see the great ladder match that will top the best one-on-one ladder match ever.

Top Ten Hogan Matches? Top Ten? WTF?? Hogan's matches are ALL the same!! Hulk get beat...Hulk hulk up...Hulk point finger and shake head....Hulk no sell....Hulk punch....Hulk body slam (or boot to face) Hulk leg drop...Hulk pose for 5 billion minutes! There you go!

Posted By: Lord Keedik


Right, because Hulk was definitely a monster babyface who worked the exact same match he always worked when he was in the nWo.

Well, I hope you are reading and I hope you watch these matches, especially the ones from Japan. Ignorance isn't bliss my friend.

Now, Whatchya Gonna Do When List-A-Mania runs wild on you?

Yeah…that doesn't work…

Honorable Mentions


Hulk Hogan vs. The Iron Sheik, 1.21.1984: Wondering why a five minute match is in the honorable mentions? Read the criteria and it will all make sense. This was Hogan's first world championship victory and was pretty solid for its short length. A lot of wrestling historians consider this the B.C.E.-C.E. point in wrestling history.

Hulk Hogan vs. Nick Bockwinkel, 4.24.83: Before Hulkamania was running wild in the WWF, he was a hugely popular star in the AWA. This was Hogan's first stateside appearance as the top draw of a promotion, and his feud with Nick Bockwinkel was solid all around. Hogan still brought his workboots with him at this point and the result is a good match.

Hulk Hogan & Mr. T vs. Roddy Piper & Paul Orndorff, Wrestlemania: I think I would be remiss if I didn't mention the main event of the first Wrestlemania. This match is the epitome of style over substance, and Hogan works that very well. It's not an all-time classic, but it's a very special match that every wrestling fan should see for historical purposes.

Hulk Hogan vs. Shawn Michaels, Summer Slam 2005 There seem to be two opinions on this match. Some people love watching Shawn Michaels oversell for Hogan and drag his aging body to something entertaining. Others feel that HBK made a mockery of the business and was totally unprofessional. You can probably guess which group I'm in by the inclusion of this match.

Obviously, given that Hogan was an average at best in-ring worker when going for match quality, these matches are judged on a few other merits, here is the criteria.

- Big Match Feel
- Historical Significance
- Match Quality
- Personal Preference





X

Hulk Hogan vs. Mr. McMahon
Street Fight, Wrestlemania XIX


I'm sure that including this match over some of the ones that I put in the honorable mentions isn't going to be the most popular decision, but I stand by it for three reasons. Reason #1: My number one criteria for this list is big match feel, and this match has that in spades. You have the most successful wrestler of all time against the most successful promoter of all time. That's something special. Reason #2: The match, while not resembling anything remotely close to a technical classic, it is quality sports entertainment and I don't really think they could have gotten a better match between them. Vince in particular gave some amazing facial reactions that put this match over the top. And Reason #3: As far as I'm concerned, this is the end of Hulk Hogan for me. The Shawn Michaels match was entertaining and the Hall of Fame ceremony is great, but this was the last time I cared about the character of Hulk Hogan.

One of my favorite statements I've ever made about pro wrestling is that Hulkamania is a drug and Vince McMahon is the ultimate pusher. I stand by that, and that is why this match is so special. At this point, Hogan had already found redemption in the acceptance of WWE fans, and this was simply to prove a point. The point is that Hulk Hogan, for all his faults, is the biggest name in pro wrestling, a one of a kind performer who will never be replaced. There was Austin, there was Rock, and now there is Cena, but they don't match up to Hogan in terms of star power or impact on the business. Hogan doesn't need McMahon, but McMahon will never get over Hogan. The relationship between those two make this match special.




IX

Hulk Hogan vs. The Great Muta
Japan, 1993


I've always considered Muta and Hogan to be kindred spirits. Both guys are solid workers with a fantastic grasp of psychology, tremendous charisma, and over-the-top superhero characters that made them huge stars. And both men were smart…and lazy. Both men figured out early that if you can get the crowd to react to formula and signature offense, then you don't have to have a **** match every night. So, both careers are marked by thousands of average matches that are exactly the same, and a handful of absolute classics, which happened when the atmosphere was big enough and they decided to perform at their very best. And they've had long, successful careers and huge stars. So hey, who am I to criticize them? Ultimately, wrestling isn't about having the best match, it's about making the fans cheer the loudest for the longest.

Fortunately, both men recognized the magnitude of this match and put on a really good match. This match has a degree of infamy because it is one of the first matches shown in response to the phrase "Hogan can't wrestle." And when Hogan starts doing cross armbreakers, STFs, and even an enzugiri, their jaws drop. Don't believe me? Go back up and watch the video. There is a huge difference between "can't wrestle" and "didn't wrestle". And while this is often Exhibit A for Hogan's hidden technical abilities, it's not the best example. It's still a terrific outing from Hogan and much different from the "typical" Hulk Hogan babyface match.


VIII

Hulk Hogan vs. Harley Race
Saturday Night's Main Event, 03/12/88


Some people put in more effort when they are champion. Ric Flair did that in his prime, and Shawn Michaels did that in 1996. John Cena does that in the modern day. They step up their games because they know they are in the top position and are expected to deliver. And then there are people that become champion and kind of…well, get comfortable in the top spot and lose their motivation (coughTriple Hcough). Hulk Hogan is one of the latter. Seriously, he puts on better matches when he's about to lose the title and when he has just lost it. It's like he actually *gasp* wants to prove that he is the real star and the one the fans paid to see! That phenomenon was on full display in this match with Harley Race. Hogan had just lost the WWE Championship to Andre, a title which would soon go to Randy Savage, and he was motivated and his character was angry. Harley was managed by Bobby Heenan, so it was a perfect opportunity to get revenge on the Weasel.

Hogan showed a side of him that he had rarely shown in the WWF up to this point, one that was aggressive and not willing to give his opponent an inch instead of the man who would take tons of punishment before making a miraculous comeback. Once again, I love watching desperate or angry babyfaces who are teetering on the edge of heeldom, because of the intrigue and the psychology. Harley Race though, is no push over, and got a good deal of offense in before Hogan defeated him. The biggest spot of the match is Race missing a diving headbutt from the apron and breaking a table, but the highlight is Hogan leaving the goody two-shoes act in the locker room and just fighting it out.



VII

Hulk Hogan vs. Stan Hansen
Japan, 4.13.90


Hogan is usually regarded as a one-dimensional power wrestler, but this match shows that you can't overlook his brawling. Stan Hansen has a well-earned reputation as one of the toughest and stiffest brawlers in wrestling history, and Hogan had to bring his A-Game for this match. While Hansen would have been a "challenger of the month" in America, he's a bonafide legend in Japan, so this was a dream match between two of the most popular gaijin in that country. What we got was a wild mish-mash with Hogan doing a little bit of his technical wrestling, some wild brawling, and a traditional Hogan match-up.

Something I really liked about doing this list was looking up Hogan's matches from Japan, something which I'd never bothered to do before, and seeing him do moves that you don't expect. In this match, he hits a running crossbody on Stan. I see that and wonder why he never busted that out on guys like Earthquake and Big John Studd, because it's very impressive for a guy his size to do that move. Hogan had so much more than what he gave American fans, and as a fan of the character, I wish he would have given it.



VI

Hulk Hogan vs. Ric Flair
WCW Championship Match, Bash at the Beach 1994


I've been watching this match since I was five. Me and my brothers would go to the local Dillions or Blockbuster and we rented Bash at the Beach 1994 about two dozen times. While this isn't my first wrestling match per se, it was the first one that I remembered with any clarity. I'm too young to have seen Hogan in his glory days without the help of those old "Hulkamania" tapes. For me, Hogan vs. Flair wasn't a dream match that people never thought would happen. For me, Hogan vs. Flair was the match between the two biggest stars in wrestling. For me, Hogan was the definitive good guy and Flair was the definitive bad guy and they were better than everyone, and this was their big match where Hogan beat Flair. That was what professional wrestling was to me in my youth. With this match having such a huge impact on my life and being the reason I became a fan in the first place, I had to list this.

This match is definitely one with historical significance, as it was Hogan's first WCW match and the first televised encounter between Hogan and Flair. The two biggest icons in this business of the last thirty years (yes, I know Austin and Rock are bigger than Flair, but work with me here). This was the match that helped get WCW back in the game. It's pretty average for a Flair match and pretty good for a Hogan match, but it's Hogan vs. Flair, for the first time on television. This definitely belongs on the list.




V

Hulk Hogan vs. The Ultimate Warrior
WWF Championship Match, Wrestlemania VI


The match is a spectacle with great big-match feel. Hogan puts in one of his best efforts ever and drags Warrior's worthless body to something that is not only watchable, but very good. Sometimes I put him over for that effort because it showed that Hogan does care about delivering a memorable match for his fans. But there's a voice nagging in the back of my head, saying that he's working his butt off so that he can show how much better he is than Warrior. Warrior gets the big win and the title, but Hogan steals the show and becomes "immortal" due to his sportsmanship. So…who's the real winner here? Is this Hogan putting over the future of the business due to his selflessness? Perhaps, but look how well that turned out.

While Hulk did put a ton of effort into this and did a good job carrying the match, the match is made better because they play to their strengths. For both men, that's being really strong and really popular. A test of strength isn't exactly the most incredible display of technical acumen, but the crowd goes nuts for it. Hogan's heat segment is hardly revolutionary, but it's a heat segment on Warrior, who rarely ever took any offense from his opponents. Kicking out of a finisher is passé now, but it was rather unbelievable that anyone, even Hogan, could survive Warrior's press slam and splash combo. I don't think match is worth watching over and over again, but it is a very good match with a wild crowd and a historic title change.




IV

Hulk Hogan vs. Antonio Inoki
IWGP Championship, June 2, 1983


I want you to picture the big-match atmosphere of Hogan vs. Andre, Hogan vs. Rock, or Hogan vs. Warrior. Now I want you to imagine that the guy on the other side of ring to Hogan is a very sound technical wrestler, like Bret Hart or Kurt Angle. And then imagine that Hogan can't get over with the crowd by posing and throwing a billion punches, so instead, he wrestles. That would be this match. Inoki is one of the biggest names in Japanese wrestling, to the point where I hope most of you readers at least know the name. Hogan first got over big in Japan, not America. I know that seems blasphemous considering that Hogan is the Real American who fights evil foreigners, but it's the truth. Now, part of that is Hogan apparently bears a resemblance to "The Japanese Elvis", according to his book, but hey, he got big in America because he was Thunderlips, so whatever.

For those of you who like to stand on your high-horse and say that nothing outside of WWE matters, I have a question for you. Are you sick of hearing people say that Hogan can't wrestle? Well, here's your argument. This is a terrific match up with a man that smart fans respect. This match should put an end to the bogus theory that Hogan couldn't wrestle. This is probably the best pure wrestling match on this list, but that's not the only thing I'm considering for Hogan. It is in the top five, not just for it's quality, because Hogan beat Inoki by knock-out to win the IWGP championship, so it's historic as well as high-quality.



III

Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant
WWF Championship Match, Wrestlemania III


I tend to respect people's opinions and try not to tell them they are stupid when I present my argument. That said, so much has been written about this match that I disagree with, that I'm going to just come out and say it. Anyone who says this is a bad match is wrong. People say it has no psychology. Right, because Andre doesn't target the back on almost every move to set up for the bearhug. Right, because Hogan spends the whole match fighting from underneath until he finally knocks the Giant down a vicious clothesline. Right, because the story isn't inspiring, compelling and perfectly told. Well folks, that's exactly what psychology is. I'm not going to pretend that the offense is cutting edge and some of it isn't sloppy, but the match is not lacking in storytelling.

More importantly, the match is entertaining. Talk about your Flair-Steamboat, your Angle-Benoit, your Bret-Perfect, and your HBK-Jericho all you want (and I talk about them a lot). Show your non-wrestling fans those matches and see how long it holds their attention. Then, show them this match and watch as they can't take their eyes off of it, watch them go "Wow!" when Hogan slams Andre. The match is a spectacle. I've heard people say it's a 1/4* wrestling and ***** entertainment. Well, wrestling IS entertainment. It's not a terrible match, it's not a great match, it's just a good match. BUT, it's also the biggest match in the history or pro wrestling. Say whatever you want about it, you can't take that away from it.




II

Hulk Hogan vs. The Rock
Wrestlemania X-8


If redemption through wrestling is possible, Hulk Hogan most assuredly found redemption in this match. Hogan was the WWF's golden boy in the early days of Wrestlemania, the biggest star pro wrestling had ever seen. But steroid scandals, repetitive booking, carbon copy matches, and the nWo storyline had made Hogan into one of the most hated men in wrestling. In 2000, Hogan was made a mockery of by Vince Russo and WCW and fired. The greatest superstar in the history of wrestling could have had his mainstream legacy ended with Jarrett laying down and Russo calling him a racist. But in this dream match to end all dream matches, this spectacle to end all spectacles, Hogan found redemption in the form of 60,000+ cheering him and welcoming him back to WWE. It was a baptism of fan support worship and Hogan came out of it an even bigger legend than he was.

In my opinion, this match has more big fight feel than every match except for Hogan-Andre. This is the biggest wrestling star of the 1980's (and arguably the ‘90's as well) versus one of the two biggest icons in the WWF at that time. I really don't think I can do justice to the atmosphere of this match, and I'm not even sure the English language has enough superlatives to describe it anyway. All you need to hear to understand how big, how important, and how historic this match is, is the audience in the Toronto Skydome watching it. The cheers for the match, and for Hogan are deafening, and speak volumes about the respect they have for Hogan. The match was a collection of Hogan and Rock's biggest hits and did exactly what it was supposed to do. The only fault I can find with this match is that Hogan couldn't really take bumps anymore and it looks awkward when he does. But man, what a fantastic effort by both men and what a special match.




I

Hulk Hogan vs. Randy Savage
WWF Championship Match, Wrestlemania V


Every year around Wrestlemania season, I have a tradition of going through all of the great Wrestlemania matches of the past to prepare for the big event. Since 2006, this has been the first match I watch, and to me is the quintessential Wrestlemania main event. You have the megastar babyface, the megastar heel, the compelling storyline that was set up throughout the entire year, and a great match with fantastic storytelling. I'm not saying it's best Wrestlemania main event or the biggest, but it is, in the words of Jesse Ventura, "what the words ‘main event' was meant for." When I have the occasional need for a Hulk Hogan fix, this is the match I throw in my DVD player, and when I wanted to make this list, it was an easy choice for number one. This isn't as big or as historic as the previous two, but it's a far better match-up.

A lot of people attribute the quality of this match to Randy Savage, and for the most part that is a fair assessment. Savage was a great worker who could drag classics out of far lesser men (like Warrior two years after this one), and he brought his best into this match. But Hogan gave one of his better performances as well, selling Savage's offense, helping to tell the story, and working harder than usual. The remarkable chemistry between these two, and the storyline with Elizabeth, make this one of my favorite Wrestlemania matches, and it is my favorite Hogan match. This is also a pretty big deal as Hogan won his second WWF Title on this night, so I feel comfortable putting it here at the top.

*****

Well, hopefully you enjoyed this trip down memory lane, and picked up a few new memories as well. I also hope you step out of your smarkiness for just a moment and remember Hogan for the legend that he was, and still is. I love watching great matches as much as the next guy, but I was born and bred with Hogan. I cried when he joined the Outsiders and formed the nWo (shut up, I was six). When Hogan came back to face The Rock, I was screaming just like everyone in Chicago when they made the match and Toronto when they had the match. And I wanted to see one more match when he was inducted into the Hall of Fame. And if he came back today to wrestle John Cena, as awful as the match may be, I'd be begging, borrowing, and maybe stealing for a ticket. I am, always have been, and always will be, a fan of the Hulk Hogan character.

But enough archeology, next week we will look at the top ten matches of the 2010 Royal Rumble Winner (and former tag team champion with Hulk Hogan), Edge!


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It was odd growing up seeing Hogan do his one match over and over and over against different opponents.

Then, youtube came around and you saw his Japan stuff and realized, he actually knew some wrestling moves. He wasn't one dimensional, just his American character was.


Posted By: Comment Board Poster (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 12:06 AM

 
 
Hogan vs Andre at WMIII is one of the most overrated matches in history.

Slamming Andre doesn't make the entire match a classic. Watch the whole match, its awful. The match makes Jenna/Sharmell look like a 5 star classic.


Posted By: The Beard (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 12:07 AM

 
 
How is Hogan vs Goldberg not on the list (or @ least an Honorable Mention)? To me, it should be right up with with the Ultimate Warrior match, in that it had a "big feel" to it, and could be seen as Hogan passing the torch again.

Posted By: J.R. LeMar (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 12:07 AM

 
 
Not a bad list

Posted By: TheRev (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 12:13 AM

 
 
Loved this column. I have never actually seen Hulk japan work but still kinda sad that it dominated this list. There wasnt many hollywood hogan wcw matches either.

From one big Hogan fan to another... here is my top 10

1. hogan vrs warrior xmv
2. hogan vrs rock wmxviii
3. hogan vrs macho man wmv
4. hogan vrs bundy wmii
5. hogan vrs iron sheik, rematch where hulkster beats sheik bloody with his skeik's own boot
6. hogan vrs orndorf, steel cage match
7. hogan vrs flair, career ending catch match halloween havoc
8. hogan vrs goldberg, wcw nitro
9. hogan vrs earthquake, summerslam
10. hogan and beefcake vrs money inc, wmix


Posted By: Ron (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 12:19 AM

 
 
Pretty good list there, and I can't dispute any of the inclusions, although I'd probably go with Hogan/Warrior as the top choice, if only b/c it's one of the few times you'll see Hogan job generously.

I'd also go with Hogan/Andre above Hogan/Rock because the former match had far more significance--elevating Hogan into the stratosphere. No, it's not the best worked match, but it's about as good of a "Hogan" formula match as you're ever going to find.

Here are a few others that I'd include, at least as honorable mentions:

Hogan/Orndorff--SNME: I can't remember exactly when this was--probably late 86, but this was a very good cage match with the rare ending of a draw followed by a restart.

Hogan/Vader--Superbrawl 95: Before Hogan turned Vader into a joke, there was this match, which was pretty solid and one that made Vader, however briefly, look like a serious threat.

Hogan/Funk--Another SNME match, I remember this one being about as wild as it got for the 80's.


Posted By: Michael L (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 12:20 AM

 
 
HULK = Workrate!

bwaaaaaaaaa HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!


Posted By: FUZEY (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 12:20 AM

 
 
Hubbard, what would you have done if someone like Vladimir Kozlov won the Royal Rumble? Best 10 matches of Royal Rumble

Posted By: Guest#6472 (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 12:25 AM

 
 
So i guess that Bobby was right? Hogan is the scum of wrestling.

Posted By: Guest#0345 (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 12:27 AM

 
 
"Hulk Hogan vs. The Great Muta
Submission Match, Royal Rumble 1990"

WTF!?


Posted By: Levikeinz (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 12:38 AM

 
 
Sorry but WWE was at its peak in the days of Austin and Rock. Ya, Hogan carried for years, but either one of them would have carried it for a longer time than him if not for injuries/bigger things.

Posted By: The Truth (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 12:39 AM

 
 
To "the Beard" - that one slam was a build up of such magnitude that it almost makes one's head spin. Imagine building up two names to such a degree that even the possibility of their collision is seen as a monumental event. Picture a character that was so much larger than life in Andre the Giant that the massive Hulk Hogan looked small in comparison. This match isn't just about the match. It's about the months and moments leading up to the match that make it amazing. When you watch the match, try to focus on the history of the match itself. And then try to remember that there will NEVER be a match like this ever again. You will never have two opposing forces so grand that having them in the ring together seems almost cosmic in display. Taken out of context, the match is overrated. Taken as a piece of storytelling and wrestling history and you have one for the ages.

Posted By: PK (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 12:47 AM

 
 
Let's get this correct the criteria was:
- Big Match Feel
- Historical Significance
- Match Quality
- Personal Preference

You cant say Hogan vs Savage from just a "big match feel" or "historical significance" was number 1 because its clearly not. His match with Andre would be number 1 if that's your criteria.

Btw what kinda Hulkamaniac are you if you say that hogan vs warrior is not the kinda match you could watch over and over again, if there ever was any Hogan match that had a big match feel to it and was actually also a great wrestling match as well and gave you goosebumps watching it not knowing who would win with an electric crowd then i don't know what is, maybe its just Toronto Loving Hogan, like they did 12 years later but to me Hogan/Warrior is the most electrifying match ever, second to his match Andre 3 years earlier.

Ask any casual wrestling fan to name you one match hogan wrestled and they will either tell you its with Andre or warrior therefore those two matches should be 1-2 with his wrestelmania match with Rock coming in 3rd.

Since your doing a top 10 why not a top 10 match list for Randy Savage that would be great.


Posted By: ChrisA (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 12:47 AM

 
 
I personally feel that the Hogan-Warrior (WM-VI) match was the greatest Hogan match of all time. Two true monsters clashing.

Posted By: Guest#7662 (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 12:52 AM

 
 
Great list and for those who say Hogan v. Andre is overrated just dont understand. Without Hogan v. Andre Wrestlemania and wrestling never grow. In fact Wrestlemania II was such a financial faliure that without the great story and hype around hogan v andre, Wrestlemania and ppv wrestling could have gone the way of 8 trac.

Posted By: Big Dirty (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 12:54 AM

 
 
No Hogan-Bossman cage match? Fail.

Posted By: Bob (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 01:06 AM

 
 
Yeah given your criteria I do wonder why no Goldberg/Hogan, Sting/Hogan.

Goldberg/Hogan wasn't Warrior/Hogan level, but it was a dream match at that point. I was a WWF junkie for the main events, and the only part of WCW I enjoyed was Goldberg and the cruiserweight style. But when Goldberg was announced to face Hogan early in that show, I was hooked, and didn't turn the channel. And I didn't even watch the Hogan stuff really.


Posted By: Johnny Rock (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 01:10 AM

 
 
Hogan vs Andre at WMIII is one of the most overrated matches in history.

Slamming Andre doesn't make the entire match a classic. Watch the whole match, its awful. The match makes Jenna/Sharmell look like a 5 star classic.

Posted By: The Beard (Guest)
God, you just don't get it.


Posted By: Guest#9718 (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 01:11 AM

 
 
Swing and a miss on his match with Muta being a Submission Match at the '90 Royal Rumble

Posted By: ROHawkeye (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 01:44 AM

 
 
Finally, a writer on this site who gives attention to someone other than Benoit, Angle, and the workrate whores. I'm glad someone gives a nice article to the man who made wrestling!

As for you list, I can't comment on the Japan shit, a having never seen it, but the rest of the stuff is spot on! Especially Hogan/Savage. I think that stands alone as a classic that is often overlooked.


Posted By: Michael (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 02:10 AM

 
 
No Hogan/Nash fingerpoke of doom? I gave that match ***** based on the sheer joy and relief that I didn't have to see either guy wrestle.

Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 02:34 AM

 
 
What? no Hulk Hogan vs. Billy Kidman at Slamboree 2000?

FOR SHAME!!!

btw I loved that Rock/Hogan match, the only time it felt like we actually got a true WCW vs WWF dreamcard match and not all the rejects we saw in the inVasion angle.


Posted By: Guest#0052 (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 02:44 AM

 
 
Next time be ready to add AJ Styles vs Hulk Hogan - Bound For Glory 2010, brother

Posted By: Hulk Hogan (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 02:47 AM

 
 
1. Stan Hansen
2. Terry Funk 12/7/85
3. Terry Funk 12/15/85
4. Andre (Japan 12/9/82)
5. Terry Funk 1/4/86
6. Shawn Michaels
7. Randy Savage @ WrestleMania V
8. Bockwinkel
9. Inoki
10. Muta
11. Flair-Steel Cage @ Halloween Havoc'94
12. Orndorff-Steel Cage 12/14/86
13. Randy Savage 6/25/86
14. Goldberg
15. Big Bubba Rogers 3/18/89


Posted By: DocSarpolis (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 02:50 AM

 
 
Hogan won the Royal Rumble match at the 1990 Royal Rumble. He didn't wrestle Muta

Posted By: Guest#1214 (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 03:41 AM

 
 
Hulk Hogan vs. The Great Muta
Submission Match, Royal Rumble 1990

Huh whut? I remember Hogan winning the Rumble at Royal Rumble 1990, and there's no way Hogan would work two long matches in one night.


Posted By: saneiac (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 04:28 AM

 
 
"Hulk Hogan vs. The Great Muta
Submission Match, Royal Rumble 1990"

And that kiddies, is why you keep an empty template, rather than rewriting the content of your last list.


Posted By: Quimby (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 05:13 AM

 
 
Aaron, I didn't enjoy your Little Jimmy series or whatever that was called, and your religious right rants leave me cold, but you write really well about wrestling, and I have enjoyed your contentious ten columns. Excellent work.

Posted By: redcoat (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 07:00 AM

 
 
"Then, show them this match and watch as they can't take their eyes off of it, watch them go "Wow!" when Hogan slams Andre."

Oh come on. I've been a wrestling fan for nearly 20 years, and this match bores the hell out of me - do you really think it's going to entertain somebody who finds a Rey Mysterio match dull?


Posted By: Loki (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 07:31 AM

 
 
Hogan vs. Inoki was not for the IWGP Championship. It was the finals of the IWGP tournament and yes Hogan was given the belt that would become the IWGP championship, but it was not for the title. The title would be first won by Inoki over Masa Saito in a tournament final years later.

Posted By: Patrick Mullin (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 08:42 AM

 
 
Muta was wrestling Hogan in a submission match at RR90? did i miss that part of the show?

Posted By: legal eagle (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 08:45 AM

 
 
where in the world is kurt angle vs hulk hogan from king of the ring 2002. i won't call it a great match but it was a very entertaining one. hogan was long past his prime but still delivered a memorable match with angle. even kurt called it a 5-star match.

Posted By: Guest#2458 (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 09:58 AM

 
 
To "the Beard" - that one slam was a build up of such magnitude that it almost makes one's head spin. Imagine building up two names to such a degree that even the possibility of their collision is seen as a monumental event. Picture a character that was so much larger than life in Andre the Giant that the massive Hulk Hogan looked small in comparison. This match isn't just about the match. It's about the months and moments leading up to the match that make it amazing. When you watch the match, try to focus on the history of the match itself. And then try to remember that there will NEVER be a match like this ever again. You will never have two opposing forces so grand that having them in the ring together seems almost cosmic in display. Taken out of context, the match is overrated. Taken as a piece of storytelling and wrestling history and you have one for the ages.

Posted By: PK (Guest) on February 01, 2010 at 12:47 AM



Excellent comment. Hogan vs. Andre was the ultimate dream match.


Posted By: Posted By (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 10:23 AM

 
 
Tell me, when you eat Japanese food, do you get a boner?

Posted By: Jack (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 10:25 AM

 
 
Hogan vs Andre at WMIII is one of the most overrated matches in history.

Slamming Andre doesn't make the entire match a classic. Watch the whole match, its awful. The match makes Jenna/Sharmell look like a 5 star classic.

Posted By: The Beard (Guest) on February 01, 2010 at 12:07 AM


i totally agree with you but u have to realize for ITS TIME it was a very iconic, one for the ages matches... where to two biggest guys went at it.. we get too spoiled by that today because we see the same shit on raw everyweek and there are not big guys who dominate the WWE/TNA that can make such a presents anymore like Hogan/Andre.... thats why that slam was so amazing too back then... today everyone is lifting up big show.. theres the

to MY MEMORY list of ppl who have picked up.. spinebustered.. spammed..suplexed the big show

Goldberg
Brock lesnar
triple H
Batista
John Cena
Kane
Mark Henry
Hogan i recall once but im not sure
Test
Matt MOrgan
the rock


i could be missing ppl.. but u get my drift of how spoiled we get and how common it is these days to see something that insane back then


Posted By: wylun (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 10:31 AM

 
 
No Orange Goblin Vs HBK?

Posted By: SJay (Registered)  on February 01, 2010 at 12:01 PM

 
 
i remember before the Hogan/Andre match , then had a larger belt made for Andre because a normal one wouldnt fit him. . .at the time it made it seem impossible that Hogan was going to win. That was a huge match in Hogans career

Posted By: Huh? (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 12:32 PM

 
 
Hogan vs Warrior is a much better match than it had any right to be. There's a reason for this.

Most professional wrestlers go into a match with one or two pre planned bits and then improvise the rest. Different wrestlers improvise to different levels. DDP for instance liked to have most of his match worked out beforehand. Shane Douglas would be an example of a wrestler who made as much as possible up on the fly.

Hogan vs Warrior was, if you beleive the stories that have been circulating around the dirtsheets ever since the match, ENTIRELY choreographed. So most of the credit for it should go to the road agents who worked the damn thing out (I seem to recall that Pat Patterson did most of the work)


Posted By: BlueMeanieUK (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 12:34 PM

 
 
"he hits a running crossbody on Stan. I see that and wonder why he never busted that out on guys like Earthquake and Big John Studd"

SummerSlam 1990, Hogan hit a running crossbody on Earthquake, only to be caught and powerslammed.


Posted By: JK (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 03:43 PM

 
 
Hogan vs. Inoki was not for the IWGP Championship. It was the finals of the IWGP tournament and yes Hogan was given the belt that would become the IWGP championship, but it was not for the title. The title would be first won by Inoki over Masa Saito in a tournament final years later.

Posted By: Patrick Mullin (Guest) on February 01, 2010 at 08:42 AM

Gatorade Presents: You Make the Call! Dork, Tool, or Douchebag?


Posted By: Vin Scully (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 03:45 PM

 
 
"But there's a voice nagging in the back of my head, saying that he's working his butt off so that he can show how much better he is than Warrior. Warrior gets the big win and the title, but Hogan steals the show and becomes "immortal" due to his sportsmanship. So…who's the real winner here?"

The real winner is still Hogan. Nobody stopped Warrior from trying to work good matches and he had almost an entire year with the title to prove he could have. Nobody stopped Warrior from actually liking and caring about the business and his fans instead of being a dick who's out only for the money. So yes, in the end Hogan is the winner and Warrior is the loser.


Posted By: Guest#1201 (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 03:46 PM

 
 
Hogan vs. Vince is underrated. A hokey sports entertainment spectacle, but still fun.

Posted By: lilwayne1 (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 03:52 PM

 
 
Hogan, Warrior, and Tito vs. DiBiase, Martel, Warlord, Hercules, and YOURS TRULY = the real #1!!!!!

Posted By: Paul Roma (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 04:05 PM

 
 
thas ts why hogan will always go down as god/satan depending on where you stand. youre absolutely right about hogan realizing early on that you could pull out a sos so match with your signature move and a little pandering to the crowd. problem is the fans will take this from hogan, and will destroy other wrestlers for pulling the same shit. hogan vs muta? hogan wrestles like lou thesz!!! hogan vs warrior? hogan wrestled like....hogan. see? i love his character and i still trash him, heh heh. keep up the good writing

Posted By: pjl (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 04:37 PM

 
 
Finally, a writer on this site who gives attention to someone other than Benoit, Angle, and the workrate whores. I'm glad someone gives a nice article to the man who made wrestling!

As for you list, I can't comment on the Japan shit, a having never seen it, but the rest of the stuff is spot on! Especially Hogan/Savage. I think that stands alone as a classic that is often overlooked.

Posted By: Michael (Guest) on February 01, 2010 at 02:10 AM
________________________________________

Yeah, I hate people who give a shit about their job, too.

Flippin' burgers ftw, or whatever, like I care.


Posted By: Chungles (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 04:44 PM

 
 
Hogon is a drug and McMahon is the pusher. really. really. your a joke. any top 10 with a Vince McMahon match is ridiculous and an insult to wrestling. I also think that the Rock match is overated. It was the crowd that gave it the big match feel and has no historical significance at all. Also the quality of match is limited in my opinion.

Posted By: scouser (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 05:00 PM

 
 
"Hogan vs. Inoki was not for the IWGP Championship. It was the finals of the IWGP tournament and yes Hogan was given the belt that would become the IWGP championship, but it was not for the title. The title would be first won by Inoki over Masa Saito in a tournament final years later."

Posted By: Patrick Mullin (Guest) on February 01, 2010 at 08:42 AM

"Gatorade Presents: You Make the Call! Dork, Tool, or Douchebag?"

How about all three? I think Patrick Mullin is Jake Chambers.

Glad to see the Race and Vince matches included in Hubbard's list. Definitely two of my favorite Huckster matches right there.

I'd replace the shitty Andre match and overrated Savage match with the Bossman cage match and one of his matches vs. Funk.

Even if I can't stand either guy, Hogan vs. Warrior has to be the Orange Goblin's best match, but as for 'most fun' it's the HBK match all the way. I have yet to get tired of HBK treating Hogan like the joke that he is.


Posted By: Guest#1528 (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 05:47 PM

 
 
@1. hogan vrs warrior xmv
2. hogan vrs rock wmxviii
3. hogan vrs macho man wmv
4. hogan vrs bundy wmii
5. hogan vrs iron sheik, rematch where hulkster beats sheik bloody with his skeik's own boot
6. hogan vrs orndorf, steel cage match
7. hogan vrs flair, career ending catch match halloween havoc
8. hogan vrs goldberg, wcw nitro
9. hogan vrs earthquake, summerslam
10. hogan and beefcake vrs money inc, wmix

I agree with this guy more


Posted By: hartfan (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 06:21 PM

 
 
Sorry but WWE was at its peak in the days of Austin and Rock. Ya, Hogan carried for years, but either one of them would have carried it for a longer time than him if not for injuries/bigger things.

Posted By: The Truth (Guest) on February 01, 2010 at 12:39 AM
________________________________

The Attitude Era was undoubtedly tremendous. But I think you might be too young to remember just how much mainstream press that professional wrestling got during the Rock 'n Wrestling days. It was everywhere, even much moreso than during the late 90s. During the Attitude days, it was "cool" to like wrestling. During the Rock 'n Wrestling days, it was flat out mainstream. If you adjusted for inflation, I have no doubt that Hogan outdrew both Rock and Austin, and this is coming from an admitted Hogan hater.

And Hogan basically carried the WWE for a decade, but you claim that the Rock/Austin could have carried it longer. I think you're forgetting how quick their schtick got old and was booed by fans.

On that note...I still really hate Hogan. I can't praise the man too much without feeling weird, so I need to say that.


Posted By: MasterShake (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 06:37 PM

 
 
Terrible list. Too many Japanese matches that barely anyone have seen, and therefore have no meaning.

Posted By: kaktus316 (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 06:42 PM

 
 
rock isnt bigger then flair

keep up the work


Posted By: y316 (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 06:43 PM

 
 
I looked over your list twice to find Hogan/Sting at Starrcade '97,and couldnt believe it wasnt on the list.Sure the ending blew but the buildup to it was great.It was one of the most anticipated matches in all of wrestling.The buyrate was a freaking 1.9
which was more then WM 18,19,and 20 which goes to show how much this match drew.


Posted By: murph (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 08:09 PM

 
 
Hogan vs. Sting was one of the worst matches ever. Even by Hogan standards it's atrocious.

Hey Hubbard, there's your column for two weeks from now... "10 Worst Hogan matches" So many to choose from....


Posted By: Guest#4162 (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 09:04 PM

 
 
i rike the match with hawk hoggan and sting at stancadde 1997

Posted By: Guest#6767 (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 11:05 PM

 
 
** There is a huge difference between "can't wrestle" and "didn't wrestle"**

Why is this never brought up in the Hogan retrospectives? Gorilla Monsoon's famous comment that Hogan wouldn't know a wrist lock from a wrist watch seems to be the conventional wisdom, even by people who should know better. Hogan himself doesn't seem to defend himself on that score either. It'd be easy enough for him to say that he COULD wrestle more, but that a power style was better for beating American-style wrestlers (if in character) or for getting over with the crowd (if out of character). And it would blunt one of the big knocks against him. Why does everyone, including Hogan himself, seem intent on perpetuating the myth that he couldn't wrestle?


Posted By: Stephen (Guest)  on February 01, 2010 at 11:37 PM

 
 
No Hogan/Lanny Poffo from Staurday Nights Main Event?

Posted By: Karatgold24 (Guest)  on February 02, 2010 at 12:13 PM

 
 
Couldn't agree more with your comments about Hogan vs Vince

Posted By: Guest#1739 (Guest)  on February 02, 2010 at 01:15 PM

 
 
The Attitude Era was undoubtedly tremendous. But I think you might be too young to remember just how much mainstream press that professional wrestling got during the Rock 'n Wrestling days. It was everywhere, even much moreso than during the late 90s. During the Attitude days, it was "cool" to like wrestling. During the Rock 'n Wrestling days, it was flat out mainstream. If you adjusted for inflation, I have no doubt that Hogan outdrew both Rock and Austin, and this is coming from an admitted Hogan hater.

And Hogan basically carried the WWE for a decade, but you claim that the Rock/Austin could have carried it longer. I think you're forgetting how quick their schtick got old and was booed by fans.

On that note...I still really hate Hogan. I can't praise the man too much without feeling weird, so I need to say that.

Posted By: MasterShake (Guest) on February 01, 2010 at 06:37 PM

________________________________

On a semi-related topic, I admit that the AE was a hot period and it had its share of good stuff. But was it worth it, considering that when it wore thin it left us with what we have today? Basically, today's product is a watered down version of Attitude-type humor and soap-operadom, has been like that even before the TV-PG switch. And it's also the reason why everyone has to neuter their offense when they enter the WWE, as they also cannot let go of their main event style of the late '90s.


Posted By: Guest#9679 (Guest)  on February 02, 2010 at 01:47 PM

 
 
"Tell me, when you eat Japanese food, do you get a boner?"

I can't speak for the author. But I'll take sushi over hamburgers seven days a week (and twice on Sundays).

What was your point again?


Posted By: The REAL MP (Guest)  on February 02, 2010 at 02:19 PM

 
 
Tell me, when you eat Japanese food, do you get a boner?

Posted By: Jack (Guest) on February 01, 2010 at 10:25 AM
***************************************

Yes, and your mom always gives me a happy ending.


Posted By: The Heartbreak Troll (Guest)  on February 02, 2010 at 06:56 PM

 
 
Anyone who would put Sting/Hogan from Starrcade 97 as part of a "best of" anything, even a "best of Hogan" list has got to be on crack. The buildup was great, I'll give you that--although the buildup was at least six months too long---the matchup should probably have taken place in July or August, when Luger got his six day run.

However, once they had the match, they did everything possible to ruin it, from Hogan squashing Sting, to the bogus fast count, to Bret's involvement, to the announcers celebrating Sting's victory--as if it was an actual victory. I'd have to think long and hard before I could come up with a more perfect example of how NOT to blowoff a hot angle with a face victory.


Posted By: Michael L (Guest)  on February 03, 2010 at 12:58 AM

 
 
"Btw what kinda Hulkamaniac are you if you say that hogan vs warrior is not the kinda match you could watch over and over again, if there ever was any Hogan match that had a big match feel to it and was actually also a great wrestling match as well and gave you goosebumps watching it not knowing who would win with an electric crowd then i don't know what is, maybe its just Toronto Loving Hogan, like they did 12 years later but to me Hogan/Warrior is the most electrifying match ever"
"
I personally feel that the Hogan-Warrior (WM-VI) match was the greatest Hogan match of all time. Two true monsters clashing. "

Third here to totally agree that Hogan/Warrior is Hogan's greatest match ever when it comes to "historical importance" and "big dream match feel" surrounded by the most electric and unique crowd ever seen.

This match was so ahead of its time, the two MEGA FACES of the late 80s going at it, one on one, once in a lifetime match with the best crowd possible was a dream comes true.

It's the first and last time I've ever seen a crowd not only perfectly splitted 50 pro hogan 50 pro warrior BUT NOT BOOING Any of them !

You would get only cheers for both performers no matter who was getting the upper hand.

That's my friend, is the kind of Mania "dream match" and moment we don't get anymore.

It's THE ONE Match that is always giving me goose bumps just by thinking and talking about it.

HOGAN/WARRIOR - Mania VI = BIGGER THAN PRO RESTLING FOREVER BROTHER !


Posted By: Hogan/Warrior >>> All (Guest)  on February 03, 2010 at 01:30 AM

 
 
"Terrible list. Too many Japanese matches that barely anyone have seen, and therefore have no meaning.

Posted By: kaktus316 (Guest) on February 01, 2010 at 06:42 PM"

Typical close minded redneck who has as much knowledge about Hogan and pro wrestling as a whole than Scott Hall's tooth pick.

A/ He clearly stated that it was about QUALITY In ring action and big feel dream match and those puroresu classics fit the bill perfectly.

B/ Like he stated early on the list it's also to show the many biased h ogan haters that claim "hogan can't wrestle" that they're denied and totally wrong since he is doing moves on those said said japanese matches he had never done in the USA.

The world does not revolve aroudn your country , it's time to get that redneck.


Posted By: Alex Moon (Guest)  on February 03, 2010 at 01:38 AM

 
 
Hogan and Sting's SuperBrawl match was good.

And then there was that Nitro where Hogan outwrestled Bret, which was pretty funny. I think Scott Keith still did recaps on this site back then and tried to play it up like Hogan wasn't schooling Bret with cross armbreakers and shit. Was pretty funny.


Posted By: Jake G (Registered)  on February 03, 2010 at 02:10 AM

 
 
Whoa, that Inoki match was fucking incredible! A big, late thanks from me for compiling this list and hunting down the videos.

Posted By: Joe Schmoe (Guest)  on February 08, 2010 at 02:12 PM

 
 
I wrote the comment about the Jericho/Benoit ladder match. The better ladder match that month was the Shane Douglas vs. Hugh Morris Match from WCW Sin. It wasn't the greatest match ever, but it had pretty good psychology, good storyline leading to it, and restored some much needed credibility to the US belt just in time before WCW closed.

Benoit and Jericho just seemed to have the same old match as they always did, and if I recall, they had little or no psycology or storyline other than they both wanted the secondary title. Plus, the finish was weak. Rarely do you get a good ladder finish, and it's hard to book, because it will usually end with someone grabbing the object. In WCW's case, the object was just a weapon, so it didn't paint them into the corner of the typical ladder finish. Plus, Douglas was able to hide another weapon in his boot, thus giving him good heelish ways in the match.

Benoit/Jericho, hell, I can't even recall who was face and who was heel. They're carbon copies of the same boring stuff.

I respect your opinion, but Jericho/Benoit x1000 isn't for me.


Posted By: Steve (Guest)  on February 10, 2010 at 09:46 PM

 


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