Wacky Wrestling Theory 02.27.10: The Invasion Angle & September 11th
Posted by Jake Chambers on 02.27.2010
A wacky look at re-booking the Invasion angle and any controversy that might have come out of the WWF using deeper symbolism from the war on terrorism inside the story.
When Avatar, a thinly veiled attack on the US government's policy of war in the past ten years, becomes the most financially successful film of all-time, then it's possible to assume that it's safe to exploit or criticize the conflicts in Iraq/Afghanistan in popular culture. Does professional wrestling count when it comes to the same kind of unwritten rules that govern narrative fiction? Where does pro-wrestling, and more specifically the WWE, stand when it comes to putting political messages into its storylines? Health care? Gay marriage? Drug Crime? Abortion? Terrorism? The WWE product could be critically analyzed to find out how stances on all these issues are embedded subconsciously inside the stories. But what should the WWE do, more directly, when an event as huge as the terrorist attacks of September 11th happened right in the middle of the insurgency narrative taking place inside the WWF Invasion angle of 2001?
Considering they were/are a live, non-stop, broadcasting event, it's more difficult for the WWF to re-tool their storylines on the fly, and certainly didn't they have the luxury that the inaugural season of 24 had when it came to editing out scenes of an airplane bombing. So we all might remember what the WWF did in response to 9/11, they were the first new programming on television, with a non-continuity Smackdown episode of tribute matches. They followed this with a short patriotic title chase and victory for American ‘hero' Kurt Angle. But did a medium that is hardly know for it's class or subtlety have to be so low key when it came to implementing the world events surrounding September 11th into their programming? That's an issue I would like to discuss in this special edition of Wacky Wrestling Theory.
Recently a Wrestling Zone Top 5 motivated many writers to think of ways in which the Invasion angle could have been re-booked, yet no one drew comparisons between the WWF vs. Alliance storyline and the way the WWF handled the aftermath of 9/11. The WWF most certainly used that event as part of their programming, but could it have been utilized even more? Although I missed the cut-off for submission for that Top 5 column, I now present a longer, and admittedly wacky take on the re-booking issue. The first four entries are purely wrestling related points, but the final entry on my list is one that I wanted to delve more deeply into in conjuncture with the use of political events inside the storytelling of pro-wrestling.
Five Ways I Would Re-Book the Invasion Angle
1. Even Faster Destruction of WCW
Some of the silliest things I think critics of the Invasion angle say are that WCW should have been ‘kept strong' and they should used the ‘real' WCW stars. Well, certainly the WCW that existed in 2001 wasn't the one that was leading the ratings war in 1997, and let's be serious, it was because of the inability of wrestlers like Goldberg, Hogan, Sting, Luger, Hall and Nash to put on compelling matches that WCW fell apart (some may argue that it was the nonsensical booking, which of course was terrible, but the horrendous main event matches they put on week after week are what truly turned people away, in my opinion). To true WWF fans, McMahon buying WCW and embarrassing them by appearing on their own show to basically cancel it was the ultimate vindication. This was finally proof that we were right all of those years when the WWF was down and we were trying to wake everyone up to the truth that WCW sucked! So I was happy to watch WCW get destroyed symbolically during the Invasion.
To think that it would be in the WWF's interest to spotlight lame wrestlers and put on matches from an inferior product is ridiculous. Putting Goldberg, Hogan, Hall and Nash in the Invasion angle would have been like McDonald's buying out Burger King and then starting to sell Whoppers and telling everyone that these were the best burgers all along. WWF at least tried to use the wrestlers that were having okay matches in the final year of WCW's promotion in an attempt to give the WWF fans some of the quality wrestling they helped win the war with, and for that reason I've always admired the booking of the Invasion angle
Therefore, if I could have changed things I would have humiliated WCW even more. Take those lame ‘stars' like Sting, Hogan, Hall, Nash and Goldberg and have them all squashed, ala DDP and Kanyon. Come SummerSlam, let Austin destroy Goldberg, Rock kill Sting, Foley come out of retirement to retire Hogan, Undertaker and Kane defeat Hall and Nash in 30 seconds, let the Hardy Boyz embarrass the Steiners and put Albert over Luger… ah, that would have been the best!
2. Jeff Jarrett
Before Paul Heyman got involved with the ECW Alliance and added some real passion to the Invasion, the WCW faction was kind of silly and had no realistic reason for ‘invading' other than a translucent claim that Shane McMahon ‘bought' WCW and wanted to start his own company. With Jeff Jarrett as part of the WCW side, not only would you have a legit (and recent) main event heel WCW World Champion, but you'd also have a number of good ‘shoot' angles to play with, including Austin refusing to work with him in the past, and Jarrett extorting WWF to pay him upfront before losing to Chyna. Jarrett was a great heel when under the tutelage of the WWF, and could have done a lot to add hatred to the WCW faction in the place of traditional Alliance babyfaces like Austin, RVD, Shane and Booker who people really wanted to like.
3. Cruiserweight Tag Team Division
The one part about WCW that was critic proofwas that awesome cruiserweight division. Yet unlike those nWo storylines that fizzled and died painful, painful deaths right in front of us all, the cruiserweights were still going strong in WCW's final year. In fact, in the company's last month there was a pretty good tournament to crown brand new Cruiserweight Tag Team Champions. Rather than bringing in the Cruiserweight Title, as WWF did only to have it lost in the mess of titles and divisions at the time of the Invasion, I would have booked the Cruiserweight Tag Team Championships to come in instead. A division that included AJ Styles and his weird partner, Elix Skipper & Kid Romeo, Evan Karagias & Shannon Moore, Kaz Hayashi & Jimmy Yang, Champions Kidman & Rey Mysterio, throw in Sugar Shane Helms & Jamie Noble and then the Hardys, X-Factor, and even Los Guerreros, and you've got an awe-inspiring wet dream of match-ups that would actually highlight something cool and unique about WCW rather than just re-regurgitate old stars.
4. Batista, Cena, Orton & Brock
These four future main event-ers all debuted in the WWF less than a year after the end of the Invasion angle. Therefore, it would have been very easy to package Brock, Batista, Cena and Orton as Shane McMahon's next generation of stars to headline for WCW. In hindsight, this really wouldn't have been much of a risk, and definitely would have worked out better for a serious attempt at a stand alone WCW brand than anything that ever came out of the short term booking that involved Hogan, Hall, Nash and Goldberg in the post-Invasion WWE.
5. 9/11
The terrorist attacks of September 11th happened right in the middle of the Invasion angle and thus gave the WWF the opportunity to integrate world events into their floundering storyline. Actually, the WWF did use the patriotic image of Kurt Angle to get a quick pop at the Unforgiven Pay-Per-View held a few weeks after the tragedy, but I think they could have exploited this even more, especially given the obvious comparison. Let me explain.
The Alliance was pretty much an outside terrorist group trying to bring down the established dominant power. They resorted to guerilla tactics, such as backstabbing, lying and infiltrating in order to try to destroy the WWF from the inside. If the WWF had done more to highlight this parallel between the terrorists responsible for the attacks on the Twin Towers and the Taliban regime in Afghanistan that protected them, the catharsis at Survivor Series when the WWF finally puts them down could have been incredible. This type of booking is not past the WWF, who basically pulled the exact same move at Wrestlemania VII when they turned former GI JOE American legend Sgt. Slaughter into an Iraqi sympathizer, in order to build to a huge pay-off when the ‘real' American Hulk Hogan beat the shit out of him. In retrospect this storyline seems pandering, yet at the time it was popular and who knows how huge it would have been had the US not stopped short of invading Iraq at the time and thus screwed up the WWF's planned Wrestlemania payoff timeline.
Following in this mold, if the WWF would have made the extremist Paul Heyman the Adnan-esque Taliban sympathizer, thrown a headdress on American icon Steve Austin like they did with Slaughter (and would have worked with Austin's slow descent into insanity at the time), and tossed in a token Col. Mustafa type Arab (the dark skinned Tazz might have done), and made them take control of the Alliance in a super-restrictive way, would have been interesting/silly. If they had done things such as force all the divas to dress in burkas (not unlike the eventual Taijiri-Torrie storyline) or maybe have it their ultimate goal to force everyone in the WWE to wear singlets and wrestle in the conservative Olympic style, it would have drawn relevant parallels to the conflict in Afghanistan. Then it would have been all that much more epic when Olympic hero Kurt Angle champions the All-American brawling pro-wrestling style to bring down the oppressive Alliance regime.
Pop culture has used this tragedy and many others in the past, including the Holocaust, to create action movies, dramas and comedy (yes, I'm talking about Hogan's Heroes) so to think this topic should somehow be off limits to pro-wrestling is confusing. While mainstream Americans already look at the WWE like trash culture and would expect, rather than be offended, by such a storyline, there is no doubt that the harshest critics of such a storyline would have been the self-loathing pro-wrestling super-fans themselves.
In 2001, people were angry, so angry that they were willing to support the retaliation of force that would eventually cost the country more lives than were lost in the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center, so why should the WWE not play to that emotion as an interactive, theatrical narrative machine? While casual fans of wrestling might have truly enjoyed the symbolism and catharsis of the storyline I proposed, I think that regular pro-wrestling fans would never accept this because they have shown in the past to hold pro-wrestling up to a delusional moral standard. Pro-wrestling super-fans will almost violently defend the respectability and theoretical artistry of the ‘sport' they are addicted to, in the face of the ridiculousness and reality of what they are actually watching each week.
For example, there was a huge internal fan backlash against the Mohammad Hassan character and when he used masked men for a pseudo-terrorist attack on the Undertaker. Whereas this kind of dramatic display is used regularly from critically acclaimed movies such as United 93 or The Hurt Locker and on television shows like 24 and NCIS, for some reason wrestling fans could not accept this symbolism within their universe.
To think that pretty much harmless clip had a backlash against the WWE and yet the following clip is from of the most popular shows currently on television:
If NCIS is able to use exploitation, extreme violence, tasteless jokes, while name dropping Muslim phraseology without a bit of criticism, it must only show the double standard that exists towards professional wrestling. Pro-wrestling is all about two guys fighting! Usually they are fighting over big issues, so why is wrestling somehow the wrong place to show Americans fighting terrorists? A similar double standard seems to take place in the comic book universe where weekly attacks on the earth, murder and destruction of cities occur yet they have to basically ignore the attacks of 9/11 and resulting wars. Pro-wrestling, a place that consistently fakes hatred and near murder based on backstabbing and personal plots, must also irrationally exist in a neutral place outside of real world politics and law. This is why my proposed integration of the war on the Taliban would have been offensive in use during the Invasion angle, not because it betrays any sense of good taste, since wrestling should be doing that with it's very existence, but because of the fans delusion that they are somehow above politics and have created their own sense of moralistic values based on an irrational defense of wrestling from the constant criticism of it's phoniness, and thus forces the WWE to pretend to be high valued while putting on the lowest form of low culture that exists.
Proof of this comes in the form of the annual WWE Tribute to the Troops show. For whatever reason, the WWE strongly supports the US military with this annual special, along with free broadcasts and front row tickets to individual soldiers. For whatever reason they do this, it is genuinely commendable because they are extending their neutrality towards those who require the most support because they actually put their lives on the line daily, and yet the shows the WWE puts on are consistently neutral in content as well. On the other hand, if by contact alone the WWE is seen as supporting the wars that so many in the media and pop culture worldwide criticize, then why can't they incorporate the content of the conflict into their shows?
The Invasion angle was a historically appropriate time period for the WWF to combine their support of the US military with a storyline that involved fighting against the forces that were threatening the country. To do it in a way that is ‘tasteful' is highly subjective, especially considering this is pro-wrestling we're talking about, but, if booked properly, this storyline could have been interesting and eventually lead the WWE to make something enthralling, exhilarating, moving and patriotic, with their generally bland Tribute to the Troops shows.
My idea was for the WWF to do what they do best, highly exaggerated storylines and character stereotypes to make a hyper-ridiculous storyline that would have played off the patriotic blood lust that was in America following the attacks of September 11th. I don't even think it would have been that controversial, as wrestling is supposed to be like this, and the only people who don't see that are the conservative super-fans who would reject this idea on the grounds of a delusional moral double standard that can cause controversy in pro-wrestling where it doesn't in other genre. If they had set the this standard with the Invasion angle, then when the WWE goes to entertain the troops a decade later they could at least do storylines that aren't just T&A and weak matches, but real, enemy ass-kicking style shit! What's wrong with that?
Oh lord, two Jake Chamber columns in a week? Aren't we lucky.
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Also, what you say about September 11th is sickening. You and 411 should be ashamed just for publishing it.
What the hell are guys like Larry Csonka doing approving this?
Posted By: Guest#2852 (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 10:38 AM
A man that lost to chyna in his last match, and then went on to be one of the worst parts of Nitro was going to come back and lead the alliance? You are awful. You have no buisness even owning a computer if you are going to spread this filth.
Posted By: Guest#0923 (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 10:40 AM
Also, if you knew ANYTHING, you'd know Hassan's attack was offensive because it aired on the DAY of the 7/7 bombings in London.
This column actually makes me sick. I'm even considering boycotting 411 until this shit is taken away.
Anything for hits, eh Csonka et al?
Posted By: Guest#1832 (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 10:42 AM
Did you actually just suggest that the WWE should have exploited 9/11 and made even more storylines out of it?
Posted By: Guest#1281 (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 10:57 AM
A nice idea, but it would never have been allowed to take flight sadly.
Posted By: Cun\' (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 11:08 AM
Why is just about every other word in bold?
Is that necessary?
Posted By: son of pillman sr. (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 11:22 AM
I've read a lot of fantasy booking, and this, BY A MONOLITHIC MARGAIN, is the most ridiculously wacky idea I've ever read.
As 'awesome' as it would have been for a story like this to happen, you forgot one thing: advertising. The second they would've put a headdress on the most popular wrestler of all-time, advertisers would have pulled out at the speed of light.
Posted By: Cactus (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 11:23 AM
What a load of bullshit. Firstly, stop trying to impose a mode of thinking of wrestling that isn't there. Wrestling caters to kids and fans looking for easy entertainment, not some deep-rooted social commentary. The WWE itself also has to answer to shareholders, TV executives, advertisers etc., none of whom want to see such controversial subjects being addressed, especially when there is no profit motive - in fact, the only motive here at all is to please some internet nobody with an over-inflated opinion of his own self-worth.
Equating the alliance wrestlers with "terrorists" would have been the worst move WWE could have ever made. Negative media reaction, falling share prices and wrestler revolt (do you really think Stone Cold and the alliance wrestlers would have happily let themselves be portrayed as on a par with jihadists?) would have inevitably followed. I'm shocked that you could honestly see this as a good idea - business-wise, this is why internet hacks like you will never amount to anything.
Secondly, to focus more on your horrible 're-booking' (ugh... what it is with these writers and their delusional "fantasy booking"? You're not a wrestling booker, you don't work in the business, give it up already and accept your destiny of serving coffees at starbucks) - it is all meaningless because none of this could happened:
- Jarrett was hated by McMahon and would never be welcomed back.
- Your call for the likes of Sting, Nash, etc. to be "squashed" is flame-baiting and trolling, so I won't say much about this other than they still held huge name-value and credibility in the eyes of the vast majority of fans. They were also on big-money contracts that WWE would have had to buy out to use them - there is no way Vince would have brought them out only to job them, you fucking moron.
- Batista, Brock, Cena, Orton were all still in development and would have been lost in the shuffle given how many big names were around in 2001, and were totally unready for the main roster. To suggest they should have been brought up as the 'new faces of WCW' is ridiculous: they had no legitimacy, no name value and the fans would have shitted all over it and potentially de-railed all of their careers. Cena only started training for wrestling in 2000! He would have been beyond green at this point. Orton similarily only made his independent debut in 2000, and Batista didn't join OVW until 2000. To suggest these guys could have been inserted into the main event in 2001 is fucking stupid.
Overall, this article is nothing but smarky bullshit and comment section baiting disguised as intelligent discussion. Stick to blogging about your non-existant love life and friendships, you worthless nobody.
Posted By: Truth (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 11:41 AM
Jake you are scum.
Play off 9/11 with the invasion angle...
ugh. It isnt even funny when you try to be an arrogant douche.
Posted By: AG Awesome (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 11:41 AM
You had me until 9/11.
Posted By: Jason (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 11:46 AM
**snickers**
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 11:46 AM
It's funny how you try so hard to write in this pseudo-intellectual style about wrestling, as if you are some professor who has specialised in the field. I have two degrees from prestigious institutions and I am in the progress of working towards my doctorate, and I can safely say that this article is awful - completely lacking in substance behind a faux argument and over-used hyperbolic language. Give it up, you are just some guy blogging about pro-wrestling, stop deluding yourself that you are anything more, it's embarrassing (but yet also very funny) to see.
Posted By: Guest#6413 (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 11:52 AM
Nice idea about Cena, Batista, Orton, and Brock. I'm not sure how they would have been ready, but an interesting idea non the less. If I were to do one thing, it would less of an Invasion angle and more of a "let's band the faces together and the heels together and add a few face and heel turns" type of wrestling crossover.
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 11:55 AM
What the fuck is this bullshit?
Posted By: Guest#0172 (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 12:08 PM
I'm going to laugh and all the people who'll get wound up by this in advance...
lol
Posted By: Captftm09 (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 12:38 PM
Not only is the content despicable, but the actual writing is nothing more than a horrible pretend that you know what you're talking about masked by randomly bolded words.
Posted By: Guest#7317 (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 12:57 PM
Awful column. Why is this hack still writing for this site?
Posted By: Guest#5174 (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 01:34 PM
I disagree whole-heartedly with your point #1. If you're just going to make WCW look like a bunch of pussies, what is the point of even doing the angle? It doesn't make the WWF look any better if they just beat the hell out of a bunch of pussies.
If you want the angle to go over well and be memorable, you have to have strong antagonists. And that's how WCW should have been booked; strong. WCW should have been booked like the nWo was at first, quite frankly; maybe they're at a disadvantage in the numbers game, and maybe their top-tier talent isn't as great as WWF's, but they have way more group cohesion and are willing to do ANYTHING to win. And then, once they've got WWF on the ropes, it makes WWF's inevitable comeback and victory all the sweeter.
Posted By: HeartBurnKid (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 01:55 PM
Spot on Jake.
I always loved Hussan's character, music, everything, and although wrestlings done 'over the top/offensive stuff' in the past, I really was not offended by the taker/terrorist thing, and will not understand why it was so 'offensive' they had to let him go.
on a side note, no story time this week?? what about your drug selling friend! we must know the chambers tale!
Posted By: 16s (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 02:32 PM
Comparing WCW to "terrorists"?
Other writers on this site who didn't like WCW don't display such polarizing and horrible opinions as you did in this "column".
I think I'll just start checking another site for any wrestling news and/or editorials.
Mr. Chambers,
You sir have totally turned me off of ever reading another one of your diatribes.
Posted By: DHX (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 02:45 PM
If they had set the this standard with the Invasion angle, then when the WWE goes to entertain the troops a decade later they could at least do storylines that aren't just T&A and weak matches, but real, enemy ass-kicking style shit! What's wrong with that?
So, so many things....
Posted By: ausjimmy (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 02:46 PM
How does this man keep his job? He must be buddies with Larry or one of the websites' hosts....
Terrible garbage that my five year old sister could have scribbled on a piece of paper and called it a 'column'.
Posted By: Answer Please (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 03:06 PM
just a waste of time..thanks again!
Posted By: pro life (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 03:07 PM
*sighs*
Please 411, with a cherry on top, fire this joke of a writer that is bringing this whole website down!
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 03:11 PM
"but the horrendous main event matches they put on week after week are what truly turned people away"
FINALLY!! Everytime a WCW convo comes up, theres always talk about the politics and Turner and blah blah blah. What about how terrible the main eventers were? Savage and Sting just lost it. Nash has been motivated about 4 times in his career. Hall was hammered. Hogan just wanted to scratch and whip. Goldberg got exposed. It was turrible.
Posted By: BlackMark90 (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 03:46 PM
This column really needs to end.
Csonka-this site has been slowly going downhill for awhile (this shit and the glorious wotw come to mind)......
Posted By: Miz says REALLY? (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 04:06 PM
if i was a professor grading this paper i'd give it a D+, grammatically and phonetically it's good, but overall it's shit, pure unadulterated shit... russo might like it, though
Posted By: Guest#5296 (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 04:07 PM
its not that the wacky theories arent offensive enough to some of us, but the writing is just lazy and plain sucks....take note 411.
Posted By: gomer (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 04:07 PM
411 Sucks!!!!!!
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411 Sucks!!!!!!
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Posted By: Chant (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 04:08 PM
WHOSE SIDE IS HE ON?!?!?!?!?
Posted By: Bobby Heenan (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 04:09 PM
411 admins need to look themselves hard in the mirror for approving this.
This site is actually a joke. With bullshit like this, or AJ Grey and his "celeb gossip", it's actually pathetic.
Posted By: Guest#2026 (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 04:20 PM
Meh, at least its better than an Aaron Hubbard column.
Posted By: Guest#5094 (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 04:41 PM
WACKY!
The WCW Invaders should have flown a plane right into Titan HQ!
WACKY!
Posted By: The Ghost of TG Corke (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 04:45 PM
You said in a previous article that your mom was a drug addict. After reading this column it seems apparent she gave you her left over stash. Both you and Csonka can go fuck each other.
Posted By: Freedom fighter (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 04:46 PM
I had forgotten all about this guy until today. I remember being disgusted with your columns last year, but apparently had avoided them until today. You sir are pathetic...please go work for TMZ or Perez Hilton, you suck!
Posted By: Jake Chambers sucks (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 06:18 PM
This is like a dog humping a turtle on the side of the road. So messed up but you can't turn away
Posted By: Guest#0033 (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 06:37 PM
I'm not even gonna touch what's wrong with the 9/11 crap with a barge pole. The problem with burying WCW is that when WWE hired them they were now WWE's workers and making your own workers look like crap makes your fed look like crap. This is why nobody really paid much attention to Right To Censor and the WWE's reincarnation of the nWo. If the antagonist to a story looks weak it makes the hero look weak by association. I mean think about it who would sound more impressive somebody who scaled Mount Everest? Or somebody who walked over a speed bump?
Also with what WWE would have paid to bring in Flair, Nash, Sting, and Hogan it would not make good sense from a return on investment sense to bury them. Much as net nerds loathe them they have fans and driving those fans away would not be a sane strategy.
Posted By: Guest#8279 (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 06:59 PM
I come here for the comments.
Posted By: The Fuj (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 07:51 PM
Wow.. you're like Chris Hyatte without any edge or creativity.
You and Byers are the worst writers on this or any other wrestling site ever.
Posted By: poffo316 (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 08:22 PM
Fuck off Chambers with your stupid shit. Go back to chewing on your mothers labia whilst she is flossing her teeth with your pin dick.
Posted By: Y2G (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 08:36 PM
I think when other writers said keep WCW strong, they did not always say nWo, Goldberg, and Sting.
Some specifically said Booker T and DDP. Even then, in the long term those were the two most valuable wrestlers out of the deal.
Burying WCW would and did nothing except lose WCW fans, an important business reason to actually buy WCW. Making sure there was no other large competitor at the time was the other. Having done the second, the business objective is to keep the fans and their money.
Posted By: Guest#6677 (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 08:46 PM
"Pro-wrestling, a place that consistently fakes hatred and near murder based on backstabbing and personal plots, must also irrationally exist in a neutral place outside of real world politics and law."
You do realize this sentence completely contradicts itself, right? Yes, pro wrestling fakes hatred and murder but it should be noted that the wrestlers themselves are never brought up on criminal charges no matter how heinous their actions are. In WWE alone, we've seen vehicular assault, arson, implied necrophilia, rape, assault with deadly weapons, attempted murder, and various other crimes. Yet these men are never charged. Pro wrestling is an irrational world that exists outside real world politics and law so trying to impose real laws on the world of wrestling wouldn't make sense, and it doesn't make sense when WWE tries to do it.
Posted By: Guest#1189 (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 08:50 PM
Why is every other word in bold?
Posted By: confusing (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 08:55 PM
Hey all the naysayers out there!!! There is a reason this guy writes these things and you don't. Top that off he was making the point that mainstream media does not accept wrestling on the same level compared to all the previously mentioned tv shows and movies. Obviously having a story line so close to after 9/11 would not have worked (remember sgt slaughter/death threats). Way to miss the point "insider fans.
Posted By: spinthis (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 09:46 PM
Chambers not only are you an idiot, who has shown that he has no understanding of the WWF Invasion period, you are also a disgusting stain on the world of internet wrestling writers. You are an embarrassment to this entire industry. The powers that be at 411 need to get rid of this clown asap. And give Hubbard the bullet too. He writes like he's in kindergarten.
Posted By: TheMan (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 09:49 PM
*sighs*
Please 411, with a cherry on top, fire this joke of a writer that is bringing this whole website down!
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 03:11 PM
For the first time ever, I think I agree with you and second your motion.
Wacky theories are always good for a hoot, but this stuff is dog vomit.
Posted By: son of pillman sr. (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 09:52 PM
And here I said that I wouldn't read anymore of your work after the Owen Hart debacle. I guess the morbid curiosity drove me to click. I'm sorry for breaking my vow. Never again.
Posted By: G (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 10:28 PM
i think if they had played up the parralel of wcw = taliban / wwe = USA in a VERY subtle way it may have enhanced the storyline a little, but it seems to me that Chambers is trying to get a reaction out of the comments board and nothing more.
I mean for fucks sake - Austin in a head scarf?!?!?
thats some fucked up shit right there...
Posted By: TheLambster420 (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 11:59 PM
Also...
"When Avatar, a thinly veiled attack on the US government's policy of war in the past ten years, becomes the most financially successful film of all-time, then it's possible to assume that it's safe to exploit or criticize the conflicts in Iraq/Afghanistan in popular culture"
this is all well and good but Avatar came nearly a Decade after the fact.
if the WWE pulled half the 9/11 shit you suggested, DAYS after the attacks, then advertisers wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.
I won't go as far as some of the posters on here, i wasn't offended by the column but i can understand why so many are.
the heads of 411 need to really consider some of the shit this guy posts as it isn't the first time he's done it.
Been coming to this site almost daily since 1999 and I never before has a writer been so unanimously hated!
Posted By: TheLambster420 (Guest) on February 28, 2010 at 12:07 AM
First off, the WWE has hit on just about all the issues that you said they don't, Jake. Gay marriage? Billy and Chuck. Terrorism? Muhammad Hassan, whom you referenced. Abortion? Not exactly, but that whole Lita/Snitsky thing is relatively close. Drugs? Um...Jeff Hardy vs. CM Punk? So that was a pretty weak opening.
Second, bury WCW more? That seems pretty impossible, seeing as how the only member of the Alliance who I can recall winning and/or looking strong consistently was Rob Van Dam, who, of course, was part of ECW and not WCW to begin with.
As for the whole rant about Austin wearing a towel and Heyman and Tazz being radical terrorist leaders and making divas wear burkas, I just chalk this up to normal Chambers saying shit to stir shit up. I mean, seriously. It's like you said, people look at wrestling as the lowest form of entertainment outside of porn to begin with. I'm not even going to get into it because as I post this there are 42 comments posted already and I'm sure it's been covered.
I must however point out a huge flaw in this theory. OK, say that you do have this terrorism angle play out. It would then become completely and utterly IMPOSSIBLE to turn anyone on the heel side of this conflict to become a face at any point within the next, say, five years. AT LEAST. Really, how could anyone associated with an anti-American pro-Taliban point of view come to be cheered once the angle ran its course? RVD, Dreamer, Booker T, Hurricane, anyone associated with that would have been ruined in the eyes of fans both mark and smark; marks for obvious reasons, smarks for the simple fact that they would actually agree to go alone with something so outrageous. Jake Chambers, seriously, go back through that door into End-World and chill with Roland, Eddie, and Susie so we don't have to hurt our brains with your twisted thoughts.
Posted By: Crook (Guest) on February 28, 2010 at 01:49 AM
I did forget to mention one thing. Comparing wrestling storylines to COMIC BOOKS. Seriously, comic books are for CHILDREN. KIDS. You know, people aged say, 8-13. To somehow compare a wrestling audience that theoretically could be anywhere from 5-75 is absolutely ridiculous.
Posted By: Crook (Guest) on February 28, 2010 at 01:57 AM
I'm not offended at the idea of a terrorist themed wrestling heel, and I too thought that the stuff with Hassan wasn't anything for people to get upset over. If anything, they could have had Hassan come out, and play clips (remember all that footage they own) of wrestlers from the NWA, WCW, ECW, WWF, and WWE all doing the same thing, having a group of people beat an adversary down. He could have then claimed that he was being unfairly discriminated against because of who he was.. and again, it would have just added fuel to the fire that the character was catching anyway. But.. WWE failed pretty miserable on that one.
Anyway.. why would you job Hogan, Sting, Nash, Hall, Goldberg, and the rest? These are the men that had a TV show that people chose to watch over the stars of the WWF. It just makes you look silly if the WWF stars were to trounce them, just as I still think the whole situation with DDP was stupid. Dude's a multi time World Champion and Pay Per View headliner, and you've got him feuding with an undercard guy for your tertiary belt? Pfft..
I'm also offended at Jake Chambers still writing for this website. I've sent stuff in when you've had tryouts that I KNOW was better than what he's got going here. Calling something "wacky" doesn't give you a free pass to stop using your brain when your fingers touch the keyboard....
Posted By: Blackbird 13 (Guest) on February 28, 2010 at 02:43 AM
What's worse than 9/11? 411!
Posted By: Evan (Guest) on February 28, 2010 at 02:49 AM
Therefore, if I could have changed things I would have humiliated WCW even more. Take those lame ‘stars' like Sting, Hogan, Hall, Nash and Goldberg and have them all squashed, ala DDP and Kanyon. Come SummerSlam, let Austin destroy Goldberg, Rock kill Sting, Foley come out of retirement to retire Hogan, Undertaker
and Kane defeat Hall and Nash in 30 seconds, let the Hardy Boyz embarrass the Steiners and put Albert over Luger… ah, that would have been the best!
The Best! yayyyyyy, did you jump up and down on the spot and piss your pants with excitement as you wrote that, you fucking boring wierdo? What the fuck was that? I have never come to 411wrestling with a critical eye but seriously reading that shit, you appeal to me, rather paradoxically mr chambers, as two things. The first is a child, an annoying child at that, the one that wont shut the fuck up about annoying childish shit whilst the adults are trying to have a conversation. Chambers to him mum: 'mum, Imagine if all those naughty wcw wrestlers got beaten up really quick by my hero's in the wwe. That would have been the best....... YYAAAYYYYYYYY!!! Fuck you got beaten up in school, didn't you Mr. Chambers. It's OK mate, it's cool sometimes to come to terms with and deal with that shit. Which brings me to the second type of person you remind me of. As you got beaten up in school and never bested your bullies, you become a dull, dreary, boring, geeky adult. If you were a building you would be a Stalinist era Soviet apartment block. That wore oversized, unflattering glasses, because your a geek. I have never read anything so fucking boring in my life. Good being 'wacky' you fucking arseclown, the only thing wacky about that shit is the fact I kept reading it. to digress, because I read this article, I have confirmed to myself that I am the HARDEST man I know, as I would obviously not crack under torture, having survived your 'wacky wrestling theory' (by the way, I get the illiteration, but people who say Wacky generally are anything but, It's like people who say 'trendy', but are far from in style). To come to my point, after scewing off on that very neccessary tangent, is that you are just a boring, uninspired writer, with genuinly crap ideas. If I was stuck on a desert island with you, I would take a shit and befriend it so we could both ignore you and talk about how much of a tool you are behind your back. Fuck you, fuck your not existant writing skills, fuck your morman like 'wackyness', and fuck your BOLD 'POWER WORDS'. mate what you are saying is boring, making some words thicker than others is not aesthetically pleasing, does not cover with a viel your incredibly boring style, and I think it alludes to the fact you have no penis. In short, your a fuckhead, stop writing at once
Posted By: KMac (Guest) on February 28, 2010 at 03:42 AM
Okay, I'm not one to call anyone stupid, or misinformed, but how can you compare United 93 to the Muhammad Hassan angle, when United 93 was BASED on the events of 9/11?
It was more of a semi-fictional documentary profiling the events that took place on the flight, not some sick twisted film trying to mock them.
Posted By: The General Public (Guest) on February 28, 2010 at 03:50 AM
Wow, and people don't like Berman solely for his inability to give TNA props? This is quite possibly the worst article I've attempted to read in the 8 years I've followed 411.
Posted By: Jeff (Guest) on February 28, 2010 at 04:14 AM
*sighs*
Please 411, with a cherry on top, fire this joke of a writer that is bringing this whole website down!
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on February 27, 2010 at 03:11 PM
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I do not echo this douchebag's sentiments.
Dude, change your fucking name. You have to be at *this* level of awesomeness to earn the title.
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on February 28, 2010 at 06:55 AM
Give me Katie Vice instead of this bullshit anyday
Posted By: Guest#4989 (Guest) on February 28, 2010 at 06:55 AM
You really are soooo wacky! OMG! LOL! It's WACKY!
Hyatte was funny just because he was, not because he tried to be. Learn a lesson or two from him.
Posted By: I Miss Hyatte (Guest) on February 28, 2010 at 08:35 AM
Don't be so damn butthurt people, it IS Jake Chambers.
Posted By: Guest#6493 (Guest) on February 28, 2010 at 08:39 AM
Comic books did not ignore 9/11 at all. Marvel Comics released special issues showing the characters helping to rebuild New York and pondering the significance of saving the world while the world eats itself alive. Currently, it has been revealed that Flash Thompson (high school buddy of Peter Parker) fought in Afghanistan and lost his legs saving someone.
As for your thoughts about how to incorporate the terrorist attacks into the WWF product back then, I can't say I disagree. It would have added a passion that only parallelism could provide. Coming right out and comparing it to the terrorist bombings would be in fairly poor form, much like the promo cut by Heyman afterward, but subtly invading and terrorizing the WWF would have been tremendous.
Posted By: MaxGrouper (Guest) on February 28, 2010 at 10:25 AM
If I was stuck on a desert island with you, I would take a shit and befriend it so we could both ignore you and talk about how much of a tool you are behind your back.
This is why Jake Chambers writes columns. Hilarious!
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on February 28, 2010 at 06:24 PM
If I was stuck on a desert island with you, I would take a shit and befriend it so we could both ignore you and talk about how much of a tool you are behind your back.
This is why Jake Chambers writes columns. Hilarious!
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on February 28, 2010 at 06:24 PM
I noticed that gem of an insult in that huge block of text too - probably the funniest thing I've seen on here in a while actually. The only good thing about Jake Chamber's columns are the insults in the comments section, its a great read for everyone. Except Jake obviously, but nobody gives a shit about him or his creepy fictional blog life anyway.
Posted By: Trolly McTroll (Guest) on February 28, 2010 at 07:09 PM
WWE wasn't putting on the greatest main events in 1998-99 either or the greatest ppvs either so no people weren't tuning out WCW because of the bad matches.
Posted By: Guest#1048 (Guest) on February 28, 2010 at 07:26 PM
It's just an opinion on shit. Ramblings. Thoughts. Ideas. They're not yours? Fine, so be it... But stop being little girls. Freedom of speech just like everytime one of you people call someone a fag or say WWE/TNA sucks. If you don't like it, don't read his column. Cry about it.
Posted By: J (Guest) on February 28, 2010 at 09:07 PM
It's just an opinion on shit. Ramblings. Thoughts. Ideas. They're not yours? Fine, so be it... But stop being little girls. Freedom of speech just like everytime one of you people call someone a fag or say WWE/TNA sucks. If you don't like it, don't read his column. Cry about it.
Posted By: J (Guest) on February 28, 2010 at 09:07 PM
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Freedom of speech is such an asinine argument. I say we just kill blacks, jews and homosexuals and vote Sarah Palin in 2012.
Freedom of speech is as flawed as democracy.
Posted By: Guest#1351 (Guest) on March 01, 2010 at 03:11 AM
oh god. just imagining vince mcmahon telling steve austin he would have to wear a headress is absolutely hilarious
Posted By: Guest#7541 (Guest) on March 01, 2010 at 06:36 AM
Sooo...lemme get this straight Chambers. In your first point, you say that WCW shoulda just been straight up crushed right off the bat so they looked like a bunch of vagbags.
But then your next 2 points were suggestions that would've made the angle last longer? Whatever you smoke, I want some, because that has to be some good shit.
Posted By: Jason King (Guest) on March 01, 2010 at 08:33 AM
"This is why my proposed integration of the war on the Taliban would have been offensive in use during the Invasion angle, not because it betrays any sense of good taste, since wrestling should be doing that with it's very existence, but because of the fans delusion that they are somehow above politics and have created their own sense of moralistic values based on an irrational defense of wrestling from the constant criticism of it's phoniness, and thus forces the WWE to pretend to be high valued while putting on the lowest form of low culture that exists."
I cannot believe that you think this is a well-constructed sentence.
Posted By: A dude who knows (Guest) on March 01, 2010 at 11:47 AM
Despite your dickishnes you actually make one or two good points. Why is it that the movie, TV literature business can make money about 9/11 but wrestling can't. Obviously the nature of wrestling and Vince McMahon (not to mention Jake Chambers) means that there would be no chance of an angle being tastefully done but the general princple remains the same. Also if that is your honest opinion on the booking then you should stop talking about fantasy booking because it is awful and never entertaining to read.
Posted By: scouser (Guest) on March 01, 2010 at 02:18 PM
I love how sensitive and butt-hurt everyone is over this column.
Wrestling is entertainment and if other forms of entertainment (movies, tv, etc) can make money off 9/11, they should be allowed to as well. Oddly enough, wrestling is held to a higher standard yet oddly referred to by most media outlets as being low-brow and a sport for rednecks. Go figure.
Posted By: Steve (Guest) on March 01, 2010 at 07:45 PM
I've always found WWE's Tribute to the Troops shows condescending, and consistently the most banal pro wrestling events anywhere. The babyfaces have won EVERY MATCH in the history of WWE's Tribute tours. Does McMahon really see our soldiers as being FEEBLE enough to need this kind of placating, hand-holding narrative in order to enjoy the show?
Would George Lucas re-cut Star Wars to show our brave troops a version where Ben Kenobi soundly defeats Darth Vader in the second act? .... Well, I wouldn't put it past him, but still... you get the point.....
Posted By: KanyonKreist (Guest) on March 01, 2010 at 07:55 PM
Worst writer on the site hands down. Please get rid of this guy. Please.
Posted By: Joe-Jack (Guest) on March 02, 2010 at 10:39 AM
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